General Doubles Metagame Thread

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  1. Braverius

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    Also, totally agreed with here.



    (sorry for posting twice, hit the send hotkey rather than copy on accident :x)
  2. Antar

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    In case anyone's interested, this is my projection for the "Smogon Doubles OU" list:

    Two-month statistics / Projected March Usages
    Three month usage = (20*LastMonth+4*OneMonthAgo)/24
    Code:
    Three-month usage
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
     | Rank | Pokemon            | Percent | 
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
     [B]| 1    | Politoed           | 15.722% |
     | 2    | Gastrodon          | 14.345% |
     | 3    | Hitmontop          | 12.650% |
     | 4    | Ninetales          | 12.381% |
     | 5    | Cresselia          | 11.578% |
     | 6    | Tyranitar          | 10.863% |
     | 7    | Metagross          | 10.313% |
     | 8    | Volcarona          |  9.954% |
     | 9    | Garchomp           |  9.363% |
     | 10   | Scizor             |  9.187% |
     | 11   | Ferrothorn         |  9.165% |
     | 12   | Whimsicott         |  9.143% |
     | 13   | Heatran            |  8.819% |
     | 14   | Landorus-Therian   |  8.521% |
     | 15   | Terrakion          |  8.393% |
     | 16   | Dragonite          |  7.879% |
     | 17   | Kingdra            |  7.757% |
     | 18   | Conkeldurr         |  7.463% |
     | 19   | Kyurem-Black       |  7.184% |
     | 20   | Latios             |  7.020% |
     | 21   | Reuniclus          |  6.751% |
     | 22   | Ludicolo           |  6.491% |
     | 23   | Victini            |  6.444% |
     | 24   | Gengar             |  6.282% |
     | 25   | Amoonguss          |  6.268% |
     | 26   | Abomasnow          |  6.253% |
     | 27   | Thundurus          |  6.244% |
     | 28   | Chandelure         |  6.072% |
     | 29   | Togekiss           |  5.906% |
     | 30   | Jellicent          |  5.899% |
     | 31   | Jolteon            |  5.888% |
     | 32   | Excadrill          |  5.827% |
     | 33   | Thundurus-Therian  |  5.707% |
     | 34   | Infernape          |  5.704% |
     | 35   | Breloom            |  5.675% |
     | 36   | Gyarados           |  5.224% |
     | 37   | Scrafty            |  5.166% |
     | 38   | Shaymin-Sky        |  4.934% |
     | 39   | Hydreigon          |  4.873% |
     | 40   | Rotom-Wash         |  4.706% |
     | 41   | Blaziken           |  4.682% |
     | 42   | Salamence          |  4.667% |
     | 43   | Bronzong           |  4.658% |
     | 44   | Alakazam           |  4.581% |
     | 45   | Lucario            |  4.482% |
     | 46   | Tornadus           |  4.355% |
     | 47   | Toxicroak          |  4.283% |
     | 48   | Latias             |  4.264% |
     | 49   | Espeon             |  4.154% |
     | 50   | Dusclops           |  4.019% |
     | 51   | Sableye            |  3.895% |
     | 52   | Venusaur           |  3.888% |
     | 53   | Gliscor            |  3.775% |
     | 54   | Cloyster           |  3.629% |
     | 55   | Zapdos             |  3.501% |
    [/B] | 56   | Weavile            |  3.359% |
     | 57   | Starmie            |  3.305% |
     | 58   | Rhyperior          |  3.257% |
     | 59   | Mamoswine          |  3.254% |
     | 60   | Mew                |  3.204% |
     | 61   | Keldeo             |  3.165% |
     | 62   | Vaporeon           |  3.144% |
     | 63   | Jirachi            |  3.139% |
     | 64   | Musharna           |  3.128% |
     | 65   | Arcanine           |  3.101% |
     | 66   | Charizard          |  3.042% |
     | 67   | Genesect           |  2.930% |
     | 68   | Blissey            |  2.603% |
     | 69   | Shuckle            |  2.580% |
     | 70   | Landorus           |  2.576% |
     | 71   | Cofagrigus         |  2.523% |
     | 72   | Cradily            |  2.500% |
     | 73   | Mienshao           |  2.409% |
     | 74   | Heracross          |  2.393% |
     | 75   | Aerodactyl         |  2.237% |
     | 76   | Slowbro            |  2.233% |
     | 77   | Hippowdon          |  2.173% |
     | 78   | Darkrai            |  2.167% |
     | 79   | Dugtrio            |  2.123% |
     | 80   | Lilligant          |  2.115% |
     | 81   | Porygon2           |  2.067% |
     | 82   | Swampert           |  2.058% |
     | 83   | Exeggutor          |  2.019% |
     | 84   | Slowking           |  2.017% |
     | 85   | Slaking            |  2.008% |
     | 86   | Umbreon            |  2.002% |
     | 87   | Manectric          |  1.966% |
     | 88   | Deoxys-Attack      |  1.913% |
     | 89   | Snorlax            |  1.910% |
     | 90   | Typhlosion         |  1.899% |
     | 91   | Forretress         |  1.888% |
     | 92   | Electivire         |  1.865% |
     | 93   | Hariyama           |  1.814% |
     | 94   | Haxorus            |  1.789% |
     | 95   | Gallade            |  1.762% |
     | 96   | Clefable           |  1.755% |
     | 97   | Ambipom            |  1.743% |
     | 98   | Kabutops           |  1.708% |
     | 99   | Celebi             |  1.698% |
     | 100  | Murkrow            |  1.685% |
     | 101  | Machamp            |  1.674% |
     | 102  | Dusknoir           |  1.661% |
     | 103  | Kyurem             |  1.621% |
     | 104  | Cinccino           |  1.552% |
     | 105  | Nidoking           |  1.498% |
     | 106  | Suicune            |  1.485% |
     | 107  | Milotic            |  1.484% |
     | 108  | Magnezone          |  1.482% |
     | 109  | Archeops           |  1.466% |
     | 110  | Lanturn            |  1.437% |
     | 111  | Tentacruel         |  1.430% |
     | 112  | Meloetta           |  1.393% |
     | 113  | Chansey            |  1.389% |
     | 114  | Deoxys-Defense     |  1.367% |
     | 115  | Sceptile           |  1.303% |
     | 116  | Staraptor          |  1.295% |
     | 117  | Lickilicky         |  1.284% |
     | 118  | Yanmega            |  1.263% |
     | 119  | Azumarill          |  1.236% |
     | 120  | Marowak            |  1.217% |
     | 121  | Eelektross         |  1.216% |
     | 122  | Rampardos          |  1.194% |
     | 123  | Gigalith           |  1.193% |
     | 124  | Roserade           |  1.191% |
     | 125  | Mantine            |  1.164% |
     | 126  | Absol              |  1.159% |
     | 127  | Porygon-Z          |  1.133% |
     | 128  | Tornadus-Therian   |  1.126% |
     | 129  | Tangrowth          |  1.116% |
     | 130  | Crobat             |  1.100% |
     | 131  | Spinda             |  1.076% |
     | 132  | Escavalier         |  1.069% |
     | 133  | Houndoom           |  1.027% |
     | 134  | Leafeon            |  1.023% |
     | 135  | Flygon             |  1.009% |
     | 136  | Froslass           |  0.986% |
     | 137  | Sawsbuck           |  0.984% |
     | 138  | Sharpedo           |  0.984% |
     | 139  | Lapras             |  0.975% |
     | 140  | Mismagius          |  0.968% |
     | 141  | Rotom-Frost        |  0.968% |
     | 142  | Bisharp            |  0.937% |
     | 143  | Gothitelle         |  0.932% |
     | 144  | Skarmory           |  0.919% |
     | 145  | Shiftry            |  0.902% |
     | 146  | Blastoise          |  0.895% |
     | 147  | Regigigas          |  0.882% |
     | 148  | Poliwrath          |  0.880% |
     | 149  | Victreebel         |  0.861% |
     | 150  | Glaceon            |  0.854% |
     | 151  | Darmanitan         |  0.843% |
     | 152  | Smeargle           |  0.835% |
     | 153  | Donphan            |  0.834% |
     | 154  | Zoroark            |  0.833% |
     | 155  | Omastar            |  0.812% |
     | 156  | Krookodile         |  0.804% |
     | 157  | Golurk             |  0.776% |
     | 158  | Ursaring           |  0.740% |
     | 159  | Empoleon           |  0.723% |
     | 160  | Serperior          |  0.720% |
     | 161  | Azelf              |  0.719% |
     | 162  | Sigilyph           |  0.715% |
     | 163  | Octillery          |  0.706% |
     | 164  | Aggron             |  0.706% |
     | 165  | Gardevoir          |  0.701% |
     | 166  | Torterra           |  0.699% |
     | 167  | Rotom-Heat         |  0.698% |
     | 168  | Cherrim            |  0.682% |
     | 169  | Parasect           |  0.667% |
     | 170  | Honchkrow          |  0.657% |
     | 171  | Virizion           |  0.652% |
     | 172  | Illumise           |  0.638% |
     | 173  | Venomoth           |  0.627% |
     | 174  | Manaphy            |  0.625% |
     | 175  | Ninjask            |  0.625% |
     | 176  | Raikou             |  0.622% |
     | 177  | Leavanny           |  0.616% |
     | 178  | Steelix            |  0.591% |
     | 179  | Flareon            |  0.586% |
     | 180  | Raichu             |  0.585% |
     | 181  | Liepard            |  0.579% |
     | 182  | Galvantula         |  0.577% |
     | 183  | Jynx               |  0.557% |
     | 184  | Togetic            |  0.553% |
     | 185  | Ditto              |  0.552% |
     | 186  | Ampharos           |  0.549% |
     | 187  | Cleffa             |  0.542% |
     | 188  | Masquerain         |  0.542% |
     | 189  | Articuno           |  0.538% |
     | 190  | Armaldo            |  0.529% |
     | 191  | Uxie               |  0.507% |
     | 192  | Aron               |  0.496% |
     | 193  | Cacturne           |  0.488% |
     | 194  | Drifblim           |  0.486% |
     | 195  | Deoxys-Speed       |  0.473% |
     | 196  | Shedinja           |  0.472% |
     | 197  | Moltres            |  0.453% |
     | 198  | Wobbuffet          |  0.434% |
     | 199  | Sneasel            |  0.434% |
     | 200  | Walrein            |  0.433% |
     | 201  | Rhydon             |  0.428% |
     | 202  | Stoutland          |  0.426% |
     | 203  | Beheeyem           |  0.419% |
     | 204  | Jumpluff           |  0.417% |
     | 205  | Gorebyss           |  0.412% |
     | 206  | Tauros             |  0.411% |
     | 207  | Lopunny            |  0.411% |
     | 208  | Emboar             |  0.409% |
     | 209  | Spiritomb          |  0.403% |
     | 210  | Camerupt           |  0.399% |
     | 211  | Claydol            |  0.393% |
     | 212  | Magmortar          |  0.390% |
     | 213  | Zebstrika          |  0.359% |
     | 214  | Lumineon           |  0.355% |
     | 215  | Pikachu            |  0.345% |
     | 216  | Linoone            |  0.337% |
     | 217  | Rotom-Mow          |  0.332% |
     | 218  | Altaria            |  0.327% |
     | 219  | Durant             |  0.327% |
     | 220  | Relicanth          |  0.321% |
     | 221  | Grotle             |  0.310% |
     | 222  | Xatu               |  0.309% |
     | 223  | Drapion            |  0.304% |
     | 224  | Primeape           |  0.297% |
     | 225  | Alomomola          |  0.297% |
     | 226  | Medicham           |  0.290% |
     | 227  | Mr. Mime           |  0.285% |
     | 228  | Seaking            |  0.280% |
     | 229  | Muk                |  0.277% |
     | 230  | Rapidash           |  0.270% |
     | 231  | Luxray             |  0.269% |
     | 232  | Regice             |  0.266% |
     | 233  | Hitmonlee          |  0.262% |
     | 234  | Weezing            |  0.261% |
     | 235  | Cobalion           |  0.260% |
     | 236  | Samurott           |  0.258% |
     | 237  | Shaymin            |  0.250% |
     | 238  | Audino             |  0.245% |
     | 239  | Feraligatr         |  0.244% |
     | 240  | Braviary           |  0.237% |
     | 241  | Arbok              |  0.228% |
     | 242  | Beartic            |  0.224% |
     | 243  | Nidoqueen          |  0.221% |
     | 244  | Seismitoad         |  0.221% |
     | 245  | Floatzel           |  0.210% |
     | 246  | Volbeat            |  0.209% |
     | 247  | Druddigon          |  0.208% |
     | 248  | Bouffalant         |  0.206% |
     | 249  | Maractus           |  0.205% |
     | 250  | Accelgor           |  0.202% |
     | 251  | Quagsire           |  0.201% |
     | 252  | Scyther            |  0.196% |
     | 253  | Emolga             |  0.195% |
     | 254  | Electrode          |  0.195% |
     | 255  | Cryogonal          |  0.192% |
     | 256  | Plusle             |  0.191% |
     | 257  | Persian            |  0.185% |
     | 258  | Meganium           |  0.184% |
     | 259  | Golduck            |  0.181% |
     | 260  | Swoobat            |  0.179% |
     | 261  | Klinklang          |  0.178% |
     | 262  | Seviper            |  0.174% |
     | 263  | Mandibuzz          |  0.164% |
     | 264  | Scolipede          |  0.164% |
     | 265  | Crustle            |  0.159% |
     | 266  | Hitmonchan         |  0.155% |
     | 267  | Registeel          |  0.147% |
     | 268  | Deoxys             |  0.146% |
     | 269  | Minun              |  0.145% |
     | 270  | Gothorita          |  0.142% |
     | 271  | Hypno              |  0.139% |
     | 272  | Crawdaunt          |  0.139% |
     | 273  | Basculin           |  0.137% |
     | 274  | Golem              |  0.137% |
     | 275  | Carracosta         |  0.131% |
     | 276  | Wailord            |  0.129% |
     | 277  | Kangaskhan         |  0.124% |
     | 278  | Mesprit            |  0.123% |
     | 279  | Probopass          |  0.118% |
     | 280  | Tropius            |  0.118% |
     | 281  | Butterfree         |  0.116% |
     | 282  | Pidgeot            |  0.115% |
     | 283  | Furret             |  0.111% |
     | 284  | Dragonair          |  0.107% |
     | 285  | Bastiodon          |  0.105% |
     | 286  | Entei              |  0.104% |
     | 287  | Dodrio             |  0.097% |
     | 288  | Vulpix             |  0.094% |
     | 289  | Swellow            |  0.093% |
     | 290  | Bibarel            |  0.091% |
     | 291  | Sawk               |  0.091% |
     | 292  | Zangoose           |  0.089% |
     | 293  | Magneton           |  0.088% |
     | 294  | Sunflora           |  0.087% |
     | 295  | Regirock           |  0.087% |
     | 296  | Swanna             |  0.087% |
     | 297  | Purrloin           |  0.086% |
     | 298  | Vanilluxe          |  0.085% |
     | 299  | Huntail            |  0.085% |
     | 300  | Phione             |  0.082% |
     | 301  | Golbat             |  0.081% |
     | 302  | Dewgong            |  0.081% |
     | 303  | Miltank            |  0.080% |
     | 304  | Girafarig          |  0.080% |
     | 305  | Zweilous           |  0.075% |
     | 306  | Banette            |  0.074% |
     | 307  | Sandslash          |  0.071% |
     | 308  | Torkoal            |  0.069% |
     | 309  | Skuntank           |  0.068% |
     | 310  | Castform           |  0.068% |
     | 311  | Rotom              |  0.067% |
     | 312  | Lunatone           |  0.066% |
     | 313  | Wigglytuff         |  0.064% |
     | 314  | Dunsparce          |  0.062% |
     | 315  | Pinsir             |  0.062% |
     | 316  | Purugly            |  0.059% |
     | 317  | Kingler            |  0.058% |
     | 318  | Qwilfish           |  0.058% |
     | 319  | Granbull           |  0.056% |
     | 320  | Glalie             |  0.056% |
     | 321  | Vileplume          |  0.055% |
     | 322  | Clamperl           |  0.054% |
     | 323  | Pichu              |  0.053% |
     | 324  | Whiscash           |  0.052% |
     | 325  | Rotom-Fan          |  0.052% |
     | 326  | Beautifly          |  0.048% |
     | 327  | Riolu              |  0.045% |
     | 328  | Kecleon            |  0.045% |
     | 329  | Wartortle          |  0.044% |
     | 330  | Vespiquen          |  0.044% |
     | 331  | Vanillish          |  0.044% |
     | 332  | Clefairy           |  0.044% |
     | 333  | Bayleef            |  0.043% |
     | 334  | Noctowl            |  0.043% |
     | 335  | Carnivine          |  0.043% |
     | 336  | Throh              |  0.042% |
     | 337  | Heatmor            |  0.041% |
     | 338  | Solrock            |  0.041% |
     | 339  | Onix               |  0.040% |
     | 340  | Swalot             |  0.039% |
     | 341  | Misdreavus         |  0.039% |
     | 342  | Exploud            |  0.038% |
     | 343  | Numel              |  0.038% |
     | 344  | Mothim             |  0.038% |
     | 345  | Gligar             |  0.038% |
     | 346  | Grumpig            |  0.037% |
     | 347  | Pelipper           |  0.037% |
     | 348  | Raticate           |  0.037% |
     | 349  | Delibird           |  0.037% |
     | 350  | Igglybuff          |  0.037% |
     | 351  | Corsola            |  0.036% |
     | 352  | Munchlax           |  0.036% |
     | 353  | Bellossom          |  0.036% |
     | 354  | Pachirisu          |  0.036% |
     | 355  | Mightyena          |  0.035% |
     | 356  | Lampent            |  0.034% |
     | 357  | Servine            |  0.032% |
     | 358  | Ledian             |  0.032% |
     | 359  | Stantler           |  0.032% |
     | 360  | Magcargo           |  0.031% |
     | 361  | Chikorita          |  0.031% |
     | 362  | Haunter            |  0.030% |
     | 363  | Stunfisk           |  0.030% |
     | 364  | Electabuzz         |  0.029% |
     | 365  | Rattata            |  0.029% |
     | 366  | Garbodor           |  0.029% |
     | 367  | Piloswine          |  0.028% |
     | 368  | Unfezant           |  0.028% |
     | 369  | Combusken          |  0.026% |
     | 370  | Magikarp           |  0.026% |
     | 371  | Simisage           |  0.025% |
     | 372  | Ferroseed          |  0.025% |
     | 373  | Quilava            |  0.022% |
     | 374  | Diglett            |  0.021% |
     | 375  | Chatot             |  0.021% |
     | 376  | Tangela            |  0.021% |
     | 377  | Sudowoodo          |  0.020% |
     | 378  | Simisear           |  0.020% |
     | 379  | Wynaut             |  0.019% |
     | 380  | Kadabra            |  0.019% |
     | 381  | Shelgon            |  0.018% |
     | 382  | Cacnea             |  0.018% |
     | 383  | Luvdisc            |  0.018% |
     | 384  | Darumaka           |  0.017% |
     | 385  | Eevee              |  0.017% |
     | 386  | Mawile             |  0.016% |
     | 387  | Graveler           |  0.016% |
     | 388  | Watchog            |  0.016% |
     | 389  | Jigglypuff         |  0.016% |
     | 390  | Eelektrik          |  0.016% |
     | 391  | Cottonee           |  0.016% |
     | 392  | Simipour           |  0.015% |
     | 393  | Gible              |  0.015% |
     | 394  | Chimecho           |  0.015% |
     | 395  | Mantyke            |  0.015% |
     | 396  | Beedrill           |  0.014% |
     | 397  | Ledyba             |  0.014% |
     | 398  | Magnemite          |  0.014% |
     | 399  | Charmeleon         |  0.013% |
     | 400  | Grovyle            |  0.013% |
     | 401  | Magmar             |  0.013% |
     | 402  | Abra               |  0.013% |
     | 403  | Paras              |  0.013% |
     | 404  | Fearow             |  0.013% |
     | 405  | Tepig              |  0.012% |
     | 406  | Prinplup           |  0.012% |
     | 407  | Lileep             |  0.012% |
     | 408  | Happiny            |  0.012% |
     | 409  | Klang              |  0.012% |
     | 410  | Ivysaur            |  0.011% |
     | 411  | Chinchou           |  0.011% |
     | 412  | Shellder           |  0.011% |
     | 413  | Gurdurr            |  0.011% |
     | 414  | Flaaffy            |  0.011% |
     | 415  | Metang             |  0.011% |
     | 416  | Lickitung          |  0.011% |
     | 417  | Dustox             |  0.011% |
     | 418  | Piplup             |  0.011% |
     | 419  | Slowpoke           |  0.011% |
     | 420  | Azurill            |  0.010% |
     | 421  | Pignite            |  0.009% |
     | 422  | Squirtle           |  0.009% |
     | 423  | Aipom              |  0.009% |
     | 424  | Mime Jr.           |  0.009% |
     | 425  | Delcatty           |  0.009% |
     | 426  | Omanyte            |  0.008% |
     | 427  | Mareep             |  0.008% |
     | 428  | Ariados            |  0.008% |
     | 429  | Wormadam-Trash     |  0.008% |
     | 430  | Bulbasaur          |  0.008% |
     | 431  | Buneary            |  0.008% |
     | 432  | Zorua              |  0.008% |
     | 433  | Shroomish          |  0.007% |
     | 434  | Mienfoo            |  0.007% |
     | 435  | Feebas             |  0.007% |
     | 436  | Frillish           |  0.007% |
     | 437  | Nosepass           |  0.007% |
     | 438  | Wormadam           |  0.007% |
     | 439  | Togepi             |  0.007% |
     | 440  | Ponyta             |  0.007% |
     | 441  | Snover             |  0.007% |
     | 442  | Sunkern            |  0.007% |
     | 443  | Starly             |  0.006% |
     | 444  | Houndour           |  0.006% |
     | 445  | Cubchoo            |  0.006% |
     | 446  | Elekid             |  0.006% |
     | 447  | Gastly             |  0.006% |
     | 448  | Lairon             |  0.006% |
     | 449  | Porygon            |  0.006% |
     | 450  | Minccino           |  0.006% |
     | 451  | Snivy              |  0.006% |
     | 452  | Metapod            |  0.006% |
     | 453  | Tynamo             |  0.005% |
     | 454  | Torchic            |  0.005% |
     | 455  | Voltorb            |  0.005% |
     | 456  | Duosion            |  0.005% |
     | 457  | Joltik             |  0.005% |
     | 458  | Trubbish           |  0.005% |
     | 459  | Teddiursa          |  0.005% |
     | 460  | Wormadam-Sandy     |  0.005% |
     | 461  | Whirlipede         |  0.005% |
     | 462  | Cyndaquil          |  0.005% |
     | 463  | Totodile           |  0.005% |
     | 464  | Charmander         |  0.005% |
     | 465  | Hippopotas         |  0.005% |
     | 466  | Dewott             |  0.005% |
     | 467  | Scraggy            |  0.004% |
     | 468  | Sewaddle           |  0.004% |
     | 469  | Geodude            |  0.004% |
     | 470  | Kricketot          |  0.004% |
     | 471  | Fraxure            |  0.004% |
     | 472  | Pineco             |  0.004% |
     | 473  | Drilbur            |  0.004% |
     | 474  | Vigoroth           |  0.004% |
     | 475  | Herdier            |  0.004% |
     | 476  | Monferno           |  0.004% |
     | 477  | Swadloon           |  0.004% |
     | 478  | Shinx              |  0.004% |
     | 479  | Zubat              |  0.003% |
     | 480  | Hoppip             |  0.003% |
     | 481  | Axew               |  0.003% |
     | 482  | Croagunk           |  0.003% |
     | 483  | Rufflet            |  0.003% |
     | 484  | Poliwhirl          |  0.003% |
     | 485  | Weedle             |  0.003% |
     | 486  | Larvitar           |  0.003% |
     | 487  | Combee             |  0.003% |
     | 488  | Budew              |  0.003% |
     | 489  | Tranquill          |  0.003% |
     | 490  | Psyduck            |  0.003% |
     | 491  | Vibrava            |  0.003% |
     | 492  | Litwick            |  0.003% |
     | 493  | Machoke            |  0.003% |
     | 494  | Growlithe          |  0.003% |
     | 495  | Buizel             |  0.003% |
     | 496  | Meditite           |  0.003% |
     | 497  | Yamask             |  0.002% |
     | 498  | Treecko            |  0.002% |
     | 499  | Farfetch'd         |  0.002% |
     | 500  | Poochyena          |  0.002% |
     | 501  | Oshawott           |  0.002% |
     | 502  | Stunky             |  0.002% |
     | 503  | Seedot             |  0.002% |
     | 504  | Surskit            |  0.002% |
     | 505  | Gabite             |  0.002% |
     | 506  | Deino              |  0.002% |
     | 507  | Boldore            |  0.002% |
     | 508  | Cranidos           |  0.002% |
     | 509  | Palpitoad          |  0.002% |
     | 510  | Mudkip             |  0.002% |
     | 511  | Staryu             |  0.002% |
     | 512  | Oddish             |  0.002% |
     | 513  | Pidgeotto          |  0.002% |
     | 514  | Kabuto             |  0.002% |
     | 515  | Snorunt            |  0.002% |
     | 516  | Larvesta           |  0.002% |
     | 517  | Sentret            |  0.002% |
     | 518  | Munna              |  0.002% |
     | 519  | Chimchar           |  0.002% |
     | 520  | Magby              |  0.002% |
     | 521  | Pupitar            |  0.002% |
     | 522  | Loudred            |  0.002% |
     | 523  | Wailmer            |  0.002% |
     | 524  | Nuzleaf            |  0.002% |
     | 525  | Skitty             |  0.002% |
     | 526  | Corphish           |  0.002% |
     | 527  | Kricketune         |  0.002% |
     | 528  | Drifloon           |  0.002% |
     | 529  | Anorith            |  0.002% |
     | 530  | Pidgey             |  0.002% |
     | 531  | Kirlia             |  0.001% |
     | 532  | Pidove             |  0.001% |
     | 533  | Bidoof             |  0.001% |
     | 534  | Swinub             |  0.001% |
     | 535  | Cherubi            |  0.001% |
     | 536  | Bellsprout         |  0.001% |
     | 537  | Tyrogue            |  0.001% |
     | 538  | Karrablast         |  0.001% |
     | 539  | Blitzle            |  0.001% |
     | 540  | Doduo              |  0.001% |
     | 541  | Shuppet            |  0.001% |
     | 542  | Unown              |  0.001% |
     | 543  | Archen             |  0.001% |
     | 544  | Natu               |  0.001% |
     | 545  | Taillow            |  0.001% |
     | 546  | Lombre             |  0.001% |
     | 547  | Slakoth            |  0.001% |
     | 548  | Nincada            |  0.001% |
     | 549  | Glameow            |  0.001% |
     | 550  | Wooper             |  0.001% |
     | 551  | Baltoy             |  0.001% |
     | 552  | Spheal             |  0.001% |
     | 553  | Kakuna             |  0.001% |
     | 554  | Koffing            |  0.001% |
     | 555  | Venonat            |  0.001% |
     | 556  | Beldum             |  0.001% |
     | 557  | Mankey             |  0.001% |
     | 558  | Seadra             |  0.001% |
     | 559  | Phanpy             |  0.001% |
     | 560  | Timburr            |  0.001% |
     | 561  | Woobat             |  0.001% |
     | 562  | Pansear            |  0.001% |
     | 563  | Panpour            |  0.001% |
     | 564  | Bagon              |  0.001% |
     | 565  | Foongus            |  0.001% |
     | 566  | Spoink             |  0.001% |
     | 567  | Cascoon            |  0.001% |
     | 568  | Silcoon            |  0.001% |
     | 569  | Exeggcute          |  0.001% |
     | 570  | Makuhita           |  0.001% |
     | 571  | Spinarak           |  0.001% |
     | 572  | Caterpie           |  0.001% |
     | 573  | Deerling           |  0.001% |
     | 574  | NidoranM           |  0.001% |
     | 575  | Luxio              |  0.000% |
     | 576  | Pansage            |  0.000% |
     | 577  | Slugma             |  0.000% |
     | 578  | Poliwag            |  0.000% |
     | 579  | Bronzor            |  0.000% |
     | 580  | Ducklett           |  0.000% |
     | 581  | Golett             |  0.000% |
     | 582  | Cubone             |  0.000% |
     | 583  | Rhyhorn            |  0.000% |
     | 584  | Goldeen            |  0.000% |
     | 585  | Staravia           |  0.000% |
     | 586  | Marshtomp          |  0.000% |
     | 587  | Sandshrew          |  0.000% |
     | 588  | Machop             |  0.000% |
     | 589  | Croconaw           |  0.000% |
     | 590  | Elgyem             |  0.000% |
     | 591  | Solosis            |  0.000% |
     | 592  | Hoothoot           |  0.000% |
     | 593  | Dwebble            |  0.000% |
     | 594  | Vanillite          |  0.000% |
     | 595  | Turtwig            |  0.000% |
     | 596  | Roggenrola         |  0.000% |
     | 597  | Yanma              |  0.000% |
     | 598  | Krokorok           |  0.000% |
     | 599  | Marill             |  0.000% |
     + ---- + --------------- + ------- +
    UU Banlist:
    Abomasnow, Alakazam, Amoonguss, Blaziken, Breloom, Bronzong, Chandelure, Cloyster, Conkeldurr, Cresselia, Dragonite, Dusclops, Espeon, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Garchomp, Gastrodon, Gengar, Gliscor, Gyarados, Heatran, Hitmontop, Hydreigon, Infernape, Jellicent, Jolteon, Kingdra, Kyurem-Black, Landorus-Therian, Latias, Latios, Lucario, Ludicolo, Metagross, Ninetales, Politoed, Reuniclus, Rotom-Wash, Sableye, Salamence, Scizor, Scrafty, Shaymin-Sky, Terrakion, Thundurus, Thundurus-Therian, Togekiss, Tornadus, Toxicroak, Tyranitar, Venusaur, Victini, Volcarona, Whimsicott, Zapdos


    The full February statistics, including detailed moveset information and "1850" stats (the new "1337") are available in this month's usage statistics thread.
  3. StarmanXL

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    Am I the only one who actually feels like having a sleeping pokemon in this tier is a huge liability to be avoided at all cost? I mean you probably will have to switch out the poke anyway because 2v1 is never good and you can easily exploit that, probably as good if not better than fake out flinching since the pokemon is more or less out permanently.

    Then again I'm still low on the ladder so...
  4. HabibsHotDogs

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    Thanks Antar

    Its very interesting that Gastrodon seems to be so popular, its in the league of the weather starters and two of the most reliable support pokemon!

    Metagross and Volcarona in top 10 was expected, but I am surprised Garchomp is still there, it'll probably be out by next month... Latios dropped a HUGE amount of places, I wonder why it happened so suddenly?? Conkeldurr has gone up quite a lot which is another surprise. Thundurus at #27 is weird, is everybody overpreparing for it or something? I thought I saw it on more teams than I saw pokemon such as Reuniclus/Kingdra/Dragonite. Also lolled when I saw Espeon at #49. Lol at Charizard being so popular, its nice that stealth rock isn't a dominant strategy in this format, I might try using it next.
  5. Dia

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    I beg to digress. In VGC, Follow me support was almost a requirement for me to set up a trick room. Here, it was useless to the point where people originally targeted my FM user instead of reuniclus.
    For anyone interested, this is my team:
    === Untitled 1 ===

    Protoplasm (Reuniclus) @ Sitrus Berry
    Trait: Overcoat
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Trick Room
    - Shadow Ball
    - Psychic
    - Focus Blast

    Chimahiko (Infernape) @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Blaze
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
    Timid Nature
    - Fire Blast
    - Grass Knot
    - Vacuum Wave
    - Focus Blast

    Vito (Honchkrow) (M) @ Flying Gem
    Trait: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Brave Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Brave Bird
    - Sucker Punch
    - Superpower
    - Roost

    Bill (Porygon2) @ Eviolite
    Trait: Download
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Recover
    - Tri Attack
    - Ice Beam
    - Thunderbolt

    Fluffy (Shaymin-Sky) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 HP / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Seed Flare
    - Air Slash
    - Earth Power
    - Protect

    Alpha (Nidoking) (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Earth Power
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Ice Beam
    - Protect
    Nidoking, Infernape, and Porygon 2 are very recent additions to my team, and they should do well theoretically. However, theoretically, communism works, so I don't really know how well they'll do. Originally, this team was designed for VGC, but I lost all respect for that metagame when I learned evasion was allowed there.
  6. Firestorm

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    All you're saying is, "You need Follow Me in VGC because, in general, the players are better." That doesn't stop support to get up Trick Room from being important in this format in cases where the player you're playing is half decent.

    Sleep is always incredibly powerful but limiting the number is an artificial way of taking care of it. Your team should be taking care of it IMO. There's no way to put more than one Pokemon to sleep at a time with Dark Void banned and you have two Pokemon on the field along with an assortment of items and moves that can help (Lum Berry, Safeguard, Taunt, etc). With Sleep Clause around I find sleep to not be too big a deal as I can just sacrifice my least important member and then not worry about it again.

    Trick Room is a great way to deal with Trick Room. Not only can you reverse it as soon as you've taken care of whoever set it down, you can also use it to control speed when you have Pokemon slower than your opponent.
  7. youngjake93

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    Scizor is #10, Sableye is #51, huh?
    Also lol Charizard was like .2% away from OU
  8. Firestorm

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    whatthefont will fix this injustice.
  9. DoesntKnowHowToPlay

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    The hilarious part about Charizard's usage is that it's at #59 in the normal stats and #41 in the 1337 stats. It's certainly far better than in Singles, thanks to the relative scarcity of Stealth Rock and ability to melt two mons at once with Helping Hand Solar Power Heat Waves, but I'm still very surprised to see it higher than the likes of Genesect and Keldeo.
  10. Braverius

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    This is all Firestorm's fault.
  11. Dia

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    Why should I use a poke that is useless in 9/10 of my battles? If that means assuming the other players are not good, so be it.
  12. youngjake93

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    If it has slow speed, but not SUPER slow speed. Then you can use it in every battle. Set up TR against normal teams or get rid of TR against full-blown TR teams.
    This would work well with Heatran on the team because Heatran is outslowed by opposing TR teams, so you get rid of TR in that scenario, but it is outsped by regular teams so you set TR up in that situation.
    I don't think the idea is to just run a TR user to only counter TR. You counter TR plus give your Tyranitar, Amoonguss, etc a boost.
  13. polop

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    Well I would say this was the case before this year, where Fake Out gains the priority of Follow Me. Imprison + TR is still > Follow Me, and if you can OHKO the Follow Me user in one move and then Taunt / OHKO the TR user in another then it really doesn't matter... (ex: Tornadus-I + some Taunt user vs. Amoongus + Cresselia, Amoongus can't use Rage Powder as it will get OHKOed by Flying Gem Acrobatics and Cresselia will be stopped by the incoming Taunt unless Mental Herb (unless flying gem resist berry but)).

    Mental Herb I will admit was a boon to TR and support mons in general though.

    Can someone delete the random spam.

    I forgot to say this earlier but Iron Ball toed, Iron Ball TTar, and Iron Ball Ninetales are EXTREMELY ANNOYING TO TRICKROOM X_X. They manage to underspeed everything and go first ;_;, which causes shenanigans in whether or not setting TR is worth it.
  14. Chaoswalker

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    "Doubles is playable?" I thought to myself. "I better go do that RIGHT NOW."
    "Stealth Rock is uncommon?" I thought to myself. "I know one loved mon who hates rocks"

    So I decided that it was indeed time for Charizard to enter the fray, and find out if floating pebbles really were the only thing that was keeping him away. I am new to this meta, so my conception of what should work is still a little shakey, but here's what I use:

    Charizard: Solar Power, Sitrus Berry
    4Hp, 252 SpA, 252 Spe
    -Heatwave
    -Solar Beam
    -Dragon Pulse
    -Protect

    Latios: Levitate, Heat Rock
    252 Hp, 252 Spe
    -Sunny Day
    -Tailwind
    -Heal Pulse
    -Protect

    Charizard protects the first turn while latios uses Tailwind. Next turn Latios uses Sunny day and Charizard starts spamming. Since you are faster than the opponent, and no priority move has the edge on charizard, there are ample chances to use heal pulse on it. The protect on Latios is because... well that's my filler move right now. The main reason I question this strategy is because heal pulse is uncommon... so perhaps I'm wasting my time with that and could be using a better move? If heal pulse is silly, I could give it an attack, or swap latios for something like Togekiss/Volcarona who can perform the same setup and draw moves with follow me/rage powder. Maybe I could use something bulkier, like Dragonite, Skarmory, Mandibuzz or Gliscor, or use Murkrow who has access to taunt.
  15. Level 51

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    Terribly sorry for my inactivity, I've been (and continue to be) really busy with IRL and Smog work. While I'm here though I'm just gonna advertise this mini-tournament I'm hosting for Doubles. I'd love if there were at least 32 or so people (which I think is an achievable goal seeing the activity this thread experiences), but the more the merrier! ^_^
  16. Pwnemon

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    I'm sorry, but the main evidence this is a strategy doomed to fail is that it requires latios and charizard to consistently be on the field at the same time, and the setup is absurdly long. What if a hitmontop fakes out your Latios t1? What if someone sets Trick Room? what if the opponent has a Heatran (which you can't even hit, hardly). To steal from my smog article (sorry, shameless self-promotion)
    Basically, any strategy that requires two pokemon doing specific things on the field at the same time will fail—if they can interact in neat ways, good; if they MUST interact in neat ways, bad. *COUGH* terracott *COUGH*
  17. Joim

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    I share Mr.E's opinion on this, Conkeldurr is just too good to ditch it for a Fake Out or slightly stronger attack that nerfs you.

    Also, Pocket, I used to use Guts to both avoid burn attack drop and other status, paralysed, even making you TR-faster can hax you to death and sleep is basically an OHKO move. However, I'm now using Iron Fist Life Orb Conkeldurr and I must say I'm happy and impressed with it. Btw, is there any chance to see one day Doubles analyses? Because I'd love to write one or two, lol.

    I made a new TR team and it's doing well, by now I've won about 12 matches in a row, no loses yet. As you can see, I'm using Eggy's Kyube:
    TR team (open)

    Cresselia (F) @ Sitrus Berry
    Trait: Levitate
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 HP / 60 Def / 196 SDef
    Sassy Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spd
    - Trick Room
    - Psychic
    - Helping Hand
    - Safeguard

    Heatran @ Chople Berry
    Trait: Flash Fire
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 2 Spd
    - Eruption
    - Earth Power
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Protect

    Slowbro @ Mental Herb
    Trait: Regenerator
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 244 HP / 156 SAtk / 108 SDef
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spd
    - Trick Room
    - Scald
    - Psyshock
    - Protect

    Reuniclus @ Life Orb
    Trait: Magic Guard
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 172 HP / 28 Def / 252 SAtk / 56 SDef
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spd
    - Trick Room
    - Psyshock
    - Shadow Ball
    - Focus Blast

    Conkelderp (Conkeldurr) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Iron Fist
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Def
    Brave Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Drain Punch
    - Rock Slide
    - Mach Punch
    - Detect

    Kyurem-Black @ Chople Berry
    Trait: Teravolt
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SAtk
    Brave Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Dragon Claw
    - Earth Power
    - Fusion Bolt
    - Protect

    I chose the best spread for Heatran to have HP Ice 70 (30 Spe), and the 0 IVs on attack on non attackers is to have the least confusion damage possible.

    Regarding usage, it's not surprising that Politoed reigns thanks to Swift Swim and even Trick Room water teams, which wreck, but I thought Cresselia would be the top 1.
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    The 1850 compared to standard stats are interesting.
    Gastrodon is #1 for good users apparently. Kyurem-Black is high up, DrizzleSwim is high up, Ttar+Exca, Ferrothorn, Cresselia+Musharna.
    Three that interest me are Slowking, Chandelure and Heracross have a high differential.
    So high ranked players use these more? Slowking is obviously for Trick Room+Regenerator and special bulk. I guess that makes sense over Slowbro since you can pair it with Intimidate. Chandelure and Heracross hit pretty hard, does Heracross get any support options like Chandelure?
  20. Chaoswalker

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    I see. Well that's annoying. I suppose I'll have to apply more tcg style strategies here then. (not bad annoying. Just new annoying.)

    Also, how viable are trapping moves here? Moves like Whirlpool are garbage in singles due to low base power, and by the time the move is fired off you are already facing the wrong Mon. Here though, a trapper can stay in while the partner switches out. I suppose the trapping and the switch would have to occur on the same turn or it is too slow. Basically a way of deciding who the switch in will be fighting. It could make keeping Tyranitar in at all a potential mistake.
  21. Audiosurfer

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    Further on the topic of the week, there was a Smogon Doubles teambat on #pokemon with a theme of no weather, and since both teams predicted the other to use TR, there were many different strategies employed to try and check/counter TR.

    Team 1 used things like Scizor to heavily damage the Psychic types that primarily set up TR as well as a Roar Latios set to phaze out TR setters before they could use TR. Team 2 used Imprison Chandelure to prevent opposing TR setters from using the move TR as well as a Scizor of their own. Both teams also emplyed Fake Out support from Hitmontop, which would let them prevent opposing mons from setting up TR first turn.

    Team 2's team was also a semi-TR team, employing 1 TR setter and various mons that can work well in TR, but don't need it to function (such as Kyurem-B). The battle shows the viability of such a teamstyle in that it was able to adjust itself to various scenarios when the time called for it, and was able to function in many different conditions.

    While TR can be difficult to full on counter, there are many ways to be creative and check it and have effective responses to it that don't necessarily weigh down the team. One can simply tweak movesets to help against TR teams without having to have a dedicated TR counter, and the teambat was a nice example of that.

    Exeggutor vs. Pwnemon (Teambat Replay)

    Teams 1 & 2:
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    Volcarona (F) @ Charti Berry
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
    Timid Nature
    - Bug Buzz
    - Heat Wave
    - Quiver Dance
    - Protect

    Hitmontop (M) @ Fighting Gem
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Fake Out
    - Wide Guard
    - Close Combat
    - Helping Hand

    Cresselia (F) @ Chesto Berry
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpAtk / 252 SDef
    Nature
    - Psyshock
    - Rest
    - Helping Hand
    - Icy wind

    Latios (M) @ Dragon Gem
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
    Timid Nature
    - Draco Meteor
    -Roar
    -Dragon Pulse
    -Hidden power [Fire]

    Scizor (M) @ Metal Coat
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Bug Bite
    - Bullet Punch
    - Protect

    Rotom-W @ Sitrus Berry
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpAtk / 4 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Hydro Pump
    - Thunderbolt
    - Thunder Wave
    - Protect

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    Chandelure @ Life Orb
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Imprison
    - Trick Room
    - Heat Wave
    - Shadow Ball

    Hitmontop @ fighting Gem
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Fake Out
    - Wide Guard
    - Helping Hand

    Kyurem-Black @ Choice Band
    Trait: Teravolt
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Fusion Bolt
    - Dragon Claw
    - Outrage
    - Rock Slide

    Rotom-Wash @ Sitrus Berry
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 Spd
    Modest Nature
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Hydro Pump
    - Pain Split
    - Thunderbolt

    Scizor @ Life orb
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Bullet Punch
    - Feint
    - U-turn
    - Superpower

    Thundurus (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Prankster
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
    Timid Nature
    - Thunder Wave
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Protect
  22. Dia

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    I don't counter TR lol. Im talking about togetic, who cannot set up TR. Did you read the post with my team?
    Joim, why do you carry three mons with TR? I mean, battles are pretty quick, and if your TR runs out, I'd just use a cleaner. I don't mean to criticize you, I just thought it would be different to see different TR styles.
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    I have three TR setters just in case I have to switch one or one is early killed and my TR is Protect stalled. I've found it useful, despite Kyu-b being able to work outside TR, and Conkeldurr to some extent with Mach Punch.
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    One Pokemon I've been using pretty well in Trick Room is Gigalith.
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    Rock-type
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    Gigalith @ Life Orb / Passho Berry
    Trait: Sand Force
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Brave Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Rock Slide
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Blast / Explosion
    - Superpower / Explosion

    It does need support from Tyranitar or Hippowdon, but they're both slow too so it's not too much of a burden. Gigalith is pretty much a wrecking ball, with Brave Sand Force boosted STAB Rock Slide hitting both opponents. Earthquake is another Sand Force boosted spread move that hits Pokemon like Heatran and Metagross harder. I used Rock Blast to have a single-target move that didn't have bad accuracy (Rock Slide has something like 52 BP in doubles...), and Superpower is for things like Scrafty and Hydreigon. Explosion is an incredibly powerful alternative if you're willing to sack Gigalith.
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    Sandstorm teams, TR or not, have been proving their worth lately to me.
    For either type of Sandstorm team, Cradily is a beast. With a combination of Curse, Stockpile, Recover, Toxic an attacking move, and a friend's Safeguard (btw Whimsicott has Prankster Safeguard, Sandslash has Sand Rush Safeguard), it can stall any team to no end. The Sandstorm boost makes its SpD sky rocket high, making it impossible to defeat it, unless you want its companion free to damage you.

    We also know Gastrodon is a beast against Rain teams, it takes no damage in sandstorm and it alone can counter Rain teams with ease, helping your Sandstorm team shine.

    Mandibuzz is not seen much, but it has Overcoat and acts as a very decent Special wall, taking even super effective attacks, Roosting the damage back, and being able to use Whirlwind too.

    By the way, I'm trying a Sun Trick Room team to some success, the only thing I find myself lacking sometimes is a second Trick Roomer, but it also works as anti-TR and anti-Rain:

    Sun TR team (open)

    Cresselia (F) @ Sitrus Berry
    Trait: Levitate
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 HP / 60 Def / 196 SDef
    Sassy Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Trick Room
    - Psychic
    - Helping Hand
    - Safeguard

    Victini @ Passho Berry
    Trait: Victory Star
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Brave Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - V-create
    - Bolt Strike
    - Brick Break
    - Zen Headbutt

    Ninetales @ Shuca Berry
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 2 Spd
    - Heat Wave
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Energy Ball
    - Protect

    Heatran @ Chople Berry
    Trait: Flash Fire
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 2 Spd
    - Eruption
    - Earth Power
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Protect

    Ludicolo @ Absorb Bulb
    Trait: Swift Swim
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
    Modest Nature
    - Giga Drain
    - Surf
    - Fake Out
    - Protect

    Gastrodon @ Rindo Berry
    Trait: Storm Drain
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Earth Power
    - Recover
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