General Metagame Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'BW Ubers' started by Fireburn, Jun 16, 2011.

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  1. HiddenDragon72

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    As an on-again, off-again competitive player I agree that Uber is the most balanced metagame. True my skill level and understanding of the current metagames is lacking compared to, or perhaps in the eyes of seasoned players however even someone like me can see how deceptive OU can be when trying to "trim the fat".
  2. Darthenos

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    Yea, although many people say that Ubers is just the ban list of OU, it is just as much of a true metagame as OU.
    Anyways, Swords Dance Extreme Speed Arceus Kills stuff
  3. Kefka Palazzo™

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    Ubers is surprisingly fun and I enjoy it just as much, if not more than OU.
    I just wish I didn't have to fight Charizards and Electivires so much >.>


    Anyway, Skymin flinches his way to victory for me :L
  4. NotJim

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    How active is the metagame atm? I'm hearing it's the most stable so want to jump fresh into it (been wanting to try competitive pokemon seriously since gen4) but am wary of activity (or lack thereof).
  5. ZetoTarken

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    Depends on how many people are actually on and not afk. Chances are 3/4s of the teams are stupid troll teams that you autowin. If you're on at a good time then you can get a solid number of people on, I know a fair number of ubers players are in the SEA/Oceania area.
  6. NotJim

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    Sweet, I happen to live within that timezone so that works very well then.
  7. shrang

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    Uh, you know when a metagame is too entry hazard focussed when I have to pull out 252 HP / 252 SpD Calm Latias to check Kyogre instead of Grass Arceus o_0.
  8. Electro Gypsy

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    Are T.Spikes really becomming THAT common? I haven't been playing too much recently. Perhaps its time to invest a slot for a spinner? Latias just doesn't have the power to really threaten anything, especially with a Max/Max spdef spread. You could always look for setup sweepers to punish teams depending on spikes/tspikes. Sub/CM Giratina O seems particularly promising, especially since most hazard setters can't do anything to it, or can scare them out and is Tspike Immune. Lack of recovery sucks though. Do people not prepare for Sub/Seed Skymin anymore? Every time i get it in safely (vs a Ferro or scaring out a Groudon) it just causes so much trouble
  9. ZetoTarken

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    Normal spikes are. Standard Support Grass Arceus can come in on Kyogre but with triple spikes is losing over almost half its health when it switches into Surf and can actually be 2hko'd by full power Water Spout with just spikes(Granted you need to roll max both times but still). Oh and this is for ScarfOgre and 252/134 Calm. 252/252Calm dies to Timid SpecsOgre's Water Spout as it is outsped and spikes are godless killing machines. Ferrothorn sets up Spikes so easily and they rack up so much damage when a lot of common pokes are stuck on the ground. I wouldn't be surprised if Spikes are actually more common than Stealth Rock in Ubers at the moment. A lot of checks rely on not losing 1/4 of their HP every time they switch in(Palkia, Groudon, Arceus, TTar, etc.) so having an airborne check is a really good thing to have right now.
  10. ssbbm

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    Gastrodon checks Kyogre the BEST (except SubCM screw that)
    but it lets Ferro come in for free /:
    Every Uber team without spinners is at a huge disadvantage against Drown All-esque teams; if you don't have a spinner, you need to be like HO or really spike resistant...
  11. ZetoTarken

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    And Gastrodon doesn't like switching into Spikes too many times and as you mentioned he basically says come set up spikes on me!
  12. ssbbm

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    Well with Gastrodon basically you have to Recover and have something that can come in on Ferro and punish the other team for switching it in (Think Sub Ho-oh or Sub Zekrom lol), or else you're screwed.

    By the way, does anyone know any good rapid spinners in Ubers?
    Excadrill is basically all I use, as it can sweep and it also 2HKOes most spin-blockers

    EDIT: oh sorry i didn't see the thread lol
  13. ZetoTarken

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    Even then you don't to avoid having your substitute user get seeded which means double switching etc. :/

    Excadrill is basically the only offensive one the rest are all pretty defensive :/ We need a good offensive Rapid Spinner.
  14. Electro Gypsy

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    Cloy is decent offensively, but it lacks the ability to really switchin to ANYTHING. Tentacruel does decently too, and is backed by its ability to avoid being 2hkoed by any of scarf ogre/palkia's attacks, but finds itself also being switched into by Ferro :/.
  15. TM13IceBeam

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    notably nobody uses Rapid Spin on offensive Cloyster, because it mostly rapes stuff already with Shell Smash.
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    Yeah, I've always been saying it's ironic that we've managed to find a balanced metagame in Ubers despite the entire purpose of OU being to find a balanced metagame. >.>
  17. Metal Bagon

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    I completely agree, because even if you do see pure weather teams (not like kyorge coming in mid-game with specs) they will all probably be unique.

    However saying that you see several of the pokemon with the same mindset and moveset around, on any team. For example, Ferrothorn will often appear randomly on a rain team and toxic stall you or on a sun team, I've seen a kyogre!
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    If you want some good offensive ones, you can always run Kyogre, then run one of Kabutops or Armaldo. Kabutops has much better killing power (Better Speed and STAB Waterfall), but Armaldo has better defenses and less weaknesses, allowing you to switch into weak attacks better. A +2 Stone Edge from Kabutops OHKOs standard Giratina-O while Waterfall in the rain ruins Ghost Arceus (Considering SR, of course). If you can't get SD (which can be often), just throw out Waterfalls and Stone Edges depending on their spinblocker since you'll 2HKO them anyway, or if your opponent seems ignorant enough to not know that Kabutops carries Rapid Spin, just use Rapid Spin as they switch in Groudon or something. If normal Giratina comes in, just switch to your own Ferrothorn and set up Spikes in its face. Need Wobbuffet support for maximum efficiency.
  19. waterwarrior

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    And then Groudon comes in, takes pseudo-neutral damage from your Water attacks, takes it due to 100/ 140 defenses, and either kills you or forces you out (thus enforcing the balance. w00t!). Kyogre can't exactly come back in and reset rain for free either, EQ hurts. Sure they can spin, but they're easily checked.
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    the fucking point is that they can spin or kill spinblockers
  21. ZetoTarken

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    More importantly, they discourage pokes from coming in and setting up on them because they can retaliate fairly hard.
  22. TM13IceBeam

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    Even if Groudon comes in, Kabutops/Armaldo can just spin on the switch, then swap out to their EQ resist. I don't see what's the main issue with Groudon vs. Kabutops/Armaldo.
  23. Olijolly

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    I'm so A LOT more chomps lately.
    I've also seen quite a few tyranitar + subsdchomp combination as well.
    What the shit?
  24. Benny in a Jet

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    Well, Sub SD Garchomp was always one of it's more popular sets, and with T-Tar providing sand for the Sp. Def boost as well as Sand Veil hax letting you get a free turn. With Garchomp banned from OU (again), it's only natural that it should appear in Ubers.
  25. ssbbm

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    Or, it could be that players just use old OU teams in ubers...
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