[For context and purpose, see this thread.] I've read through a couple of the threads made recently in Policy Review and have been constantly keeping up with the discussion about tiers and the "no banlist" proposal over in the "What did we learn from tiering in generation four"? thread. One thread in particular stuck out to me and that was Aeolus' initial ban list thread which was subsequently locked due to us as a community not knowing much about Black and White at the time. However, with their release and people starting to test different Pokemon and different sets through various methods whether it be through Wifi or through Pokemon Online's simulator we have had a large amount of information come in with regards to how the current metagame is shaping up and what Pokemon are becoming big threats and what not. Obviously it's too early to be looking at suspects or anything but I do feel we should be looking more into an initial ban list just to give us some kind of starting point because quite honestly a lot of people including myself think it's an incredible waste of time to start off with no bans. This post by Elevator Music basically sums up my feelings towards starting with completely no bans. In short, no bans is not the ideal way to go. From my experience with Black and White I'd say my ban list below is a pretty nice starting point. EDIT: Two Pokemon that I have omitted from the list have caused some concern with some smogon members, those two being Lugia and Deoxys-D, which were previously Uber last gen. However, in my testing I've found both of them to be somewhat underwhelming in comparison to how they were last gen, especially Lugia. With the overall offensive boost in this gen Lugia is pretty hard pressed to deal with top threats like Sazandora, Shandeera and Terakion and this is just the tip of the iceberg. He is still a good wall but I believe he is definitely worth testing in OU this gen. My reasoning behind Deoxys-D is similar. I've discussed this with quite a few people and I haven't had too much opposition. So I'm bringing this up in Policy Review to see what you guys think.