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Getting The Bugs Out of Gen 5

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by Kabuto Mushi, Sep 18, 2010.

  1. Kabuto Mushi

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    Hey guys. I saw that one fellow’s Dragon thread, and while Bug type ‘mons might not be quite as important metagame-wise, I still wanted to make a topic to discuss what we might be getting from my favorite type in Gen 5.

    The new pokemon:


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    Hahakurimo
    75/103/80/70/70/92
    Swarm/Chlorophyll
    Lv1: False Swipe, Lv1: Tackle, Lv1: String Shot, Lv1: Bug Bite, Lv1: Razor Leaf, Lv8: Bug Bite, Lv15: Razor Leaf, Lv22: [M522], Lv29: Slash, Lv32: Helping Hand, Lv36: Leaf Blade, Lv39: X-Scissor, Lv43: [M494], Lv46: Swords Dance, Lv50: Leaf Storm

    Looks like Kricketune, with better stats. I like how it gets both STAB Leaf storm and SD’d X-scissor, but it’s still nothing special. Maybe a contender for UU or NU?

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    Pendora
    60/90/89/55/69/112
    Poison Point/Swarm/(Quick Feet)
    Lv1: Megahorn, Lv1: Defense Curl, Lv1: Rollout, Lv1: Poison Sting, Lv1: Screech, Lv5: Poison Sting, Lv8: Screech, Lv12: Pursuit, Lv15: Protect, Lv19: Poison Tail, Lv23: Bug Bite, Lv28: [M474], Lv30: Baton Pass, Lv33: Agility, Lv39: [M537], Lv44: Toxic, Lv50: Rock Climb, Lv55: Double-Edge

    What a cool design! Too bad it has such crappy stats, lol. 60/89/69 defenses assure it probably isn’t going to be doing much with Poison Point, and 90/112 attack/speed means it isn’t hurting much at all. It does get Baton Pass there, so maybe it’ll be Agility or SD passing in NU.

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    Iwaparesu
    70/95/125/65/75/45
    Sturdy/Shell Armor
    Lv1: [M504], Lv1: Rock Blast, Lv1: Withdraw, Lv1: Sand-Attack, Lv5: Rock Blast, Lv7: Withdraw, Lv11: Sand-Attack, Lv13: Faint Attack, Lv17: [M479], Lv19: Rock Polish, Lv23: Bug Bite, Lv24: Stealth Rock, Lv29: Rock Slide, Lv31: Slash, Lv38: X-Scissor, Lv43: [M504], Lv50: Flail, Lv55: Rock Wrecker

    This might be the first usable guy. His stats seem a little low for OU though, so I see this guy as a big player in UU as it is one of the only pokemon that can learn Stealth Rock in all of Gen 5.

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    Shubarugo
    70/135/105/60/105/20
    Swarm/Shell Armor
    Lv1: Peck, Lv1: Leer, Lv1: [M501], Lv1: Twineedle, Lv4: Leer, Lv8: [M501], Lv13: Twineedle, Lv16: Fury Attack, Lv20: Headbutt, Lv25: False Swipe, Lv28: Bug Buzz, Lv32: Slash, Lv37: Iron Head, Lv40: Iron Defense, Lv44: X-Scissor, Lv49: Reversal, Lv52: Swords Dance, Lv56: Giga Impact

    I’m sure you all know them by heart, but just for comparison Scizor’s stats are 70/130/100/55/80/65. So it’s basically a much slower, slightly more defensive version. Maybe it’ll find a niche somewhere?

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    Denchura
    70/77/60/97/60/108
    Compound Eyes/Anxiety/(Swarm)
    Lv1: String Shot, Lv1: Leech Life, Lv1: Spider Web, Lv1: Thunder Wave, Lv4: Thunder Wave, Lv7: Screech, Lv12: Fury Cutter, Lv15: [M527], Lv18: Bug Bite, Lv23: Gastro Acid, Lv26: Slash, Lv29: [M486], Lv34: Signal Beam, Lv40: Agility, Lv46: Sucker Punch, Lv54: Discharge, Lv60: Bug Buzz

    Here’s one everyone was excited about. And look, it got Bug Buzz after all! I can imagine some really great low OU/high UU sets coming out of this guy. 97 Sp. Atk isn’t great, but Choice Specs Thunders (thanks to compound eyes) have to leave a dent in something. Maybe it’ll get that Electric U-turn move as well?

    [​IMG]Agirudaa
    80/70/40/100/60/145
    Hydration/Sticky Hold/(Unburden)
    Lv1: Leech Life, Lv1: [M491], Lv1: Double Team, Lv1: Quick Attack, Lv4: [M491], Lv8: Double Team, Lv13: Quick Attack, Lv16: [M522], Lv20: Mega Drain, Lv25: Swift, Lv28: Me First, Lv32: Agility, Lv37: Giga Drain, Lv40: U-turn, Lv44: Bug Buzz, Lv49: Recover, Lv52: Power Swap, Lv56: [M515]

    Oh man, that base speed is something else. I can see this guy being a great scout, especially on Rain Dance teams because it’ll be immune to Paralysis. A bit concerned with that Defense though... Priority moves are going to HURT.

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    Aianto
    58/109/112/48/48/109
    Swarm/Hustle
    Lv1: Vicegrip, Lv1: Sand-Attack, Lv6: Fury Cutter, Lv11: Bite, Lv16: Agility, Lv21: Metal Claw, Lv26: Bug Bite, Lv31: Crunch, Lv36: Iron Head, Lv41: Dig, Lv46: [M494], Lv51: X-Scissor, Lv56: Iron Defense, Lv61: Guillotine, Lv66: Metal Sound

    This guy seems kinda “wait and see” to me. Hustle lowers accuracy, but boosts his already decent Attack. I bet this guy gets Earthquake as well, because he already learns Dig.

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    Urugamosu
    85/60/65/135/105/100
    Flame Body/(Swarm)
    Lv1: Ember, Lv1: String Shot, Lv1: Leech Life, Lv1: Gust, Lv10: Leech Life, Lv20: Gust, Lv30: Fire Spin, Lv40: Whirlwind, Lv50: Silver Wind, Lv59: [M483], Lv60: Heat Wave, Lv70: Bug Buzz, Lv80: [M476], Lv90: [M542], Lv100: [M552]

    Here’s the one I’m most interested in. Since I can freely spin away Stealth Rock now, I think this guy might just have a chance. He might not have the same qualities as the chandelier (60/55/90/145/90/80), but he is decently fast and pretty bulky too! In addition, that move he learns at level 100? [M552]: Special Fire PP: 10 Power: 80 / Accuracy: 100 Effect: May increase user's Special Attack by 1 stage. Cool.

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    Insekuta
    71/120/95/120/95/99
    Download
    Lv1: [M546], Lv1: Quick Attack, Lv1: Magnet Rise, Lv1: Metal Claw, Lv1: Screech, Lv7: Fury Cutter, Lv11: Lock-On, Lv18: [M488], Lv22: Magnet Bomb, Lv29: Slash, Lv33: Metal Sound, Lv40: Signal Beam, Lv44: Tri Attack, Lv51: X-Scissor, Lv55: Bug Buzz, Lv62: [M493], Lv66: Zap Cannon, Lv73: Hyper Beam, Lv77: SelfDestruct

    This will probably go to Ubers, but darn is it COOL. I bet a mixed/wall breaker set with Bug Buzz and SelfDestruct would be nice.

    Older Bugs with new tricks (updated later):
    Butterfree:
    Beedrill: Sniper
    Parasect: Damp
    Venomoth:
    Scyther: Steadfast
    Pinsir:
    Ledian: Iron Fist
    Ariados: Sniper
    Forretress:
    Scizor:
    Shuckle:
    Heracross:
    Beautifly: Rivalry
    Dustox: Compound Eyes
    Masquerain:
    Ninjask:
    Volbeat:
    Illumise:
    Armaldo: Swift Swim
    Kricketune: Technician
    Wormadam:
    Mothim: Tinted Lens
    Vespiquen:
    Yanmega: Frisk

    New Bug Moves:
    [M476]: Other Bug PP: 20 Power: --- / Accuracy: --- Effect: Whenever an opposing PokÈmon uses an attack with a target of "single non-user" or "single opposing PokÈmon" this round and there is a Pokemon at the position of this attack's user, it is directed to the Pokemon at the position of this attack's user instead of to any other non-user of that attack. Remains effective even if user is replaced. Priority level 3.
    [M483]: Other Bug PP: 20 Power: --- / Accuracy: --- Effect: [E122]
    [M522]: Special Bug PP: 20 Power: 30 / Accuracy: 100 Effect: May decrease opponent's Special Attack by 1 stage.
    [M537]: Physical Bug PP: 20 Power: 65 / Accuracy: 100 Effect: May cause opponent to flinch. Power is doubled if Minimize is in effect for opponent.

    Uh, yeah, these seem pretty useless. I do wonder what 483 does though… Anyone know where I can see what the effects do (like [E122])?

    Anyways, I hope this doesn't seem like too much just for Bug types, but I thought we could discuss possible competitive roles the new guys might have in the metagame. How do you think Bug will do Offensively vs. Defensively in Gen 5?
  2. Elliot Gale

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    I love Urgamoth to death, especially since it has that power creeping Calm Mind. It can start blowing away everything after just one.
  3. IcyMan28

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    Shubarugo seems like the perfect pokemon to have around with all these new dragons running amuck (as well as old ones).

    Sadly it lacks priority, but the added bulk and attack are more than worth it.

    Also, the final pokemon in the dex is Bug/Steel, and sports 120/120 offenses to boot, along with Download. Just saying.
  4. yiran

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    The Bug/Grass is useful except for it's type.
  5. Kabuto Mushi

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    Derp. Thanks, I forgot that one.
  6. Acosta

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    I believe it's "Raises user's Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed". A cool move for all the forgotten butterfly/moth Pokemon and, surprisingly, Doreida.

    Also, Denchura's moveset is really cool. He, thank god, gets Bug Buzz but he also gets a really cool combo of
    "Eleci-Ball"*, Agility, and Thunder Wave. He could combine that with Swarm, Substitute, and a Petaya Berry and run a set similar to Empoleon.

    *Eleci-Ball is a special Electric-type move that increases in power the faster you are than the opponent.
  7. SJCrew

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    I remember trying Mono-Bug on an alt one time and it pissed me off how badly they were ripped by Steel types. Urugamosu could be the one mon to change that...IF you could find a way around that 4x SR weak.
  8. Elliot Gale

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    Just need a spinner with that new thing that lets you hit mons with moves they're immune to.
  9. Not Scicky

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    How could I tell you'd post in this thread? Ahahaha.

    Bug has some cool threats but bug/fire and that legendary bug/steel seem kinda trollish...

    the other bug/steel legendary is awesome though.

    2 bug/steel legendary's T_T.
  10. SuperJOCKE

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    These statements sounds a little stupid IMO. That 103/92 and 90/112 are bad doesn't sound right. But maybe that's just me.

    But nobody knows what these Pokémon can do in the metagame at the moment.
  11. Raseri

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    Agiruuda looks like he will be a real threat. One of the fastest U-Turns in the game(Ninjask gets it) Bug Buzz off of a good special attack stat. I really hope he gets taunt to stop entry hazards.
  12. KevlarX290

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    Heracross is no longer the only Poke to have a STABed Megahorn now.
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    Insekuta looks solid with a Choice Scarf. Bug/Steel resistances and those good defenses make it not too hard to switch into something, then Download gives you an outstanding attack or special attack stat to run a mixed set off of. You even have Selfdestruct for cleanup!
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    At least he still has the most powerful megahorn =\. And a better sub-type too.
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    Shubarugo looks nice. I can see a CB set working out o.k for him. He can also perhapes occupy Scizors 'defensive niche' that it had in Gen 4 due to Shubarugo having much highier defensive stats
  16. Nokocchi

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    Um... there's only one Bug/Steel Legendary. The Knight and the Ant are normal Pokemon.
  17. TEA_DEMON

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    I cannot wait to try out Shubarugo in Trick Room. 135 Atk/20 Spe are pretty much perfect stats for Trick Room sweeping, in conjunction with the essential Ghost/Dark resistances a Trick Room team needs. I know exactly what my first competitive 5th gen team is going to be.

    Insekuta is probably broken as fuck, js. Aianto will be top-tier OU probably due to Hustle 109 base Atk; it's really just down to its movepool to determine its effectiveness.

    Hahakurimo could be solid UU with those stats, but the typing is... eh, it could be better.
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    At first, in one of my posts, ignorant of the new changes in the game, I insulted the Fire/Bug moth's worth as a pokemon. Now, no longer naive, I see the truth about why it is so powerful.
    Many people seem to miss the fact that it carries Butterfly Dance, a move that raises special attack, Special Defense, and Speed. That, along with the fact that spinning is potentially unblockable, makes the Fire/Bug a clear OU in my mind. Consider the following sets:
    Fire/Bug , Swarm
    Butterfly Dance
    Substitute/Roost
    Bug Buzz
    -Filler Attack
    Butterfly Dance up. Substitute gets down your HP so swarm, a dream world ability, activates. Roost is so that you can beat Blissey or any special wall 1 on 1.

    Now, considering the pokemon again, I feel that we are now very afraid that there is no priority rock move (is there?), for without priority against this, it can easily gain +3s in a turn and sweep with gargantuan stats and fantastic coverage.

    The main weakness, barring stealth rock, would be that new item or ability that turns non-attacking moves into priority. That is absolutely insane--Fast Taunts, Fast Spores, Fast WHIRLWINDS?? Well, I don't think so, but it does not change the fact that the moth is a hell of a lot more powerful that I first assumed.
  19. Burning Sapphire

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    Hahakurimo is so cool!
    -Swords Dance
    -Leaf Blade
    -X-Scissor
    -I dont know yet, but something good

    Regardless, Gen 5 will be an awesome gen for bugs
  20. Kabuto Mushi

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    So from what I've read, Agirudaa gets Spikes and Toxic Spikes, as well as that Fighting "Explosion" move. He might be too frail to set up entry hazards, but he is definietly fast enough (and has a high enough HP) to do some damage with that second move.

    I noticed Pendora got Spikes/T-Spikes as well. That alone might help it make it into UU.
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    [M483]: Bug Other Power: --- / Accuracy: ---
    Raises user's Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed
  22. KevlarX290

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    Haha not anymore, now that that Bug/Steel knight gets Megahorn as an egg move.
  23. Poseidon Lord of the Sea

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    There are too many bug/steel Pokemon now.
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    You can never have too many Bug/Steel types.
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    Shubarugo!

    Please please please let it get Gyro Ball. Coming off of base 20 speed and 135 attack, it'll be blasting away at the opposition with 225 Base Power. Under Trick Room, there'll be nothing to stop it from OHKO'ing all the base 100s and 108s.

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