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Gible [QC Approved 0/2]

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by Galladiator, Jan 29, 2011.

  1. Galladiator

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    GIBLE

    Dragon/Ground

    Status: Clarified skeleton.

    [Overview]
    • Base 42 Speed is rather slow compared to many other LC sweepers; in addition, 4x weakness to Ice means Snover pretty much owns variants without Fire Blast
    • Access to EdgeQuake allows for perfect neutral coverage
    • Pretty much plays similarly to a mini-Garchomp, as expected
    • Plays best in sandstorm conditions

    [SET]
    Name: Choice
    Move 1: Outrage
    Move 2: Earthquake
    Move 3: Stone Edge
    Move 4: Dragon Claw/Shadow Claw
    Item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf
    Nature: Jolly/Adamant
    Ability: Sand Veil
    EVs: 132 HP/196 Atk/180 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Outrage and Earthquake provide unresisted dual STAB options
    • Stone Edge rips up any Ice-types stupid enough to switch in
    • Dragon Claw for non-confusing STAB, or Shadow Claw for Coverage

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • With Choice Band, Adamant Gible gets to 26 Attack; Jolly Gible with Choice Scarf reaches 21 Speed
    • Tends to be forced out easily by Shellder and Swinub, who have access to STAB priority in Ice Shard

    [SET]
    Name: Mixed Sweeper
    Move 1: Draco Meteor
    Move 2: Earthquake
    Move 3: Fire Blast
    Move 4: Outrage
    Item: Life Orb/Expert Belt
    Nature: Mild/Rash
    Ability: Sand Veil
    EVs: 52 HP/116 Atk/196 Sp. Atk/100 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Draco Meteor for special STAB
    • Earthquake for Physical STAB
    • Fire Blast to take out Swinub and Shellder, along with Snover
    • Outrage OHKOs physically defensive, +Def natured Dratini without even factoring in EVs or Life Orb

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Life Orb increases the damage done, but Expert Belt raises power of coverage moves and helps fake a Choice item

    [SET]
    Name: Sandstorm Abuser
    Move 1: Substitute
    Move 2: Outrage
    Move 3: Earthquake
    Move 4: Fire Blast/Dragon Claw
    Item: Salac Berry/Leftovers
    Nature: Hasty/Naive
    Ability: Sand Veil
    EVs: 96 HP/196 Atk/36 Sp. Atk/180 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Absolutely dominant in sand
    • Substitute down to Salac boost, then proceed to sweep
    • Outrage and Earthquake, obviously, are for STAB
    • Fire Blast for Ice-types, Bronzor, and Snover

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Hippopotas sets up sandstorm to get Gible going
    • Snover is a MAJOR threat, as it can negate the sand, which may prove costly if Hippo is down

    [Team Options]
    • Gible becomes a beast in sandstorm; Hippopotas' ability greatly helps it
    • Needs something bulky to sponge Ice hits, such as Slowpoke
    • Magnemite traps Steels that switch into Choice-locked Outrage and try to set up

    [Optional Changes]
    • Fairly shallow movepool, as it doesn't get a lot of the toys Garchomp does
    • Dragon Pulse is an option on the Mixed set over Draco Meteor if the sharp decline in Special Attack is unappealing
    • Flamethrower can net KOs a little easier than Fire Blast, but expect a sharp decline in power

    [Counters]
    • Shellder running 196/196/0 defenses can come in, survive Earthquake to Shell Smash, and Ice Shard for the KO
    • Snover rapes non-Fire Blast Gible
    • Anything running Draco Meteor and/or Ice Beam kills Gible easily outside of Sandstorm
    • Inside Sandstorm, Drillbur outspeeds and kills Gible

    [Dream World]
    • Rough Skin's main use is to break physical Focus Sashers like lead Dratini
    • Otherwise useless, especially in sand
  2. Galladiator

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    Skeleton completed, you may post now.
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    Please read the guidelines in the Index's OP.
  4. Galladiator

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    Bumping in response to the apparent lack of interest in the community. Once again, any comments are appreciated.
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    You should include magnemite as a team mate to trap steel types. I don't get the point of HP ice on the mixed set. Why no mention of LO? Mention what Attack with Choice Band and what speed with Choice Scarf. Mention its weaknesses in the overview.
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    As the bullet point says, HP Ice with 196 EVs in Special Attack 2HKOs Dratini.

    As far as the rest of it goes, I've edited it. Sorry, but I wasn't quite focusing when I first posted this thread...
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    Why use an alternate Hidden Power when you can hit Dratini easily enough with your STAB move? If you are worried enough to actually wanna hit an uncommon pokemon without losing special attack due to Draco Meteor, you may as well use Dragon Pulse. (STAB Dragon Pulse hits for comparable neutral damage to a super effective Hidden Power Ice anyways.)

    Also mention Flamethrower in Optional Changes. (Some people aren't keen on using Fire Blast when Flamethrower is a choice, particularly if Fire blast doesn't get KO's that Flamethrower can as well.)
  8. Galladiator

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    Bumping, and yes, I made Zeph's changes. Just so you know.
  9. Charmander

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    You mention access to "EdgeQuake," while its two STABs provide better coverage anyway. Plus, Swords Dance should probably be on the abuser set.
    And this needs three checks, not two.
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    To verify, here's the link.
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    Oh, it's three for OU. Sorry, must have gotten them mixed up ~_~
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    I really don't think you've tested any of these sets (the first one is almost OK, I guess. It's missing Fire Blast (Tesshido exists)).

    Comments like these make me doubt that you've played in the metagame:

    EdgeQuake is not even remotely the selling point of Gible. It's neutral coverage is better with its STABs. And if you've ever used Garchomp....or Gible for that matter...you would certainly not say it plays similar.

    STABs are actually resisted by Bronzor. Super effective Shadow Claw is actually weaker than neutral Outrage and Earthquake.

    If you have honestly played gen 5 little cup, Swinub is not something you'd mention. Keep it at Snover.

    Expert Belt is basically useless against something abusing mostly Neutral coverage except for one super effective move.

    Definitely not.

    You should actually try some of the sets out that you posted, you would see that they are not going to cut it at all. Hidden Power Ice is actually useful in my experience because Gligar is so common. The only sets I'd suggest are Scarf and Band.

    If you want / need any help with anything, feel free to come on #littlecup on IRC.
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    You say that the Sandstorm Abuser set is greatly harmed by Snover, so mentioning Wynaut in Team Options would be a good idea.

    Ferroseed has great synergy, and can set up Spikes, allowing Gible to defeat opposing Pokemon easier, so I think it deserves a mention.

    Since Gible only hits 12 Speed on the Mixed Sweeper set, I think you could mention in Additional Comments that Trick Room support could aid Gible in sweeping. With a Quiet nature and 0 Speed IVs, it hits 8 Speed, which is quite slow, allowing it to finish Pokemon off if they survive the Draco Meteor. Bronzor is a great candidate for this role, being able to set up both Stealth Rock and Trick Room, as well as having great synergy (they both resist each other's weaknesses), both aiding Gible in it's role.

    Summary of the changes:

    - Mention Wynaut in Team Options
    - Mention Ferroseed in Team Options
    - Mention Trick Room can be helpful for the Mixed Sweeper set
    - Mention Bronzor in Team Options, make sure you explain that it can set up Stealth Rock and Trick Room, and has great synergy

    Once you make all those changes, let me know, and I will stamp this.
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    Have you checked the analysis index? Cause I'm already doing this according to the index...
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    Galladiator actually posted and reserved it first. However, he told me he doesn't have enough experience with LC to write analyses. Tomahawk9, PM a moderator and tell them to move this to L&O.

    Here is our conversation regarding his LC analyses:

    http://www.smogon.com/forums/converse.php?u=60528&u2=43995
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    Confirming this. Sorry about the confusion!
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    This has been taken over by Tomahawk9 here, so I am moving this to L&O.

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