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Gigalith (Custap Berry) [QC: 3/3] (GP: 2/2)

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  1. Governess

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    [*]Specify the order of the moves for the set [[COLOR=Magenta]✓[/COLOR]]
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    Gigalith

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    Skeleton (open)

    [SET]
    name: Custap Berry
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Explosion
    move 3: Rock Blast
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Custap Berry
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 208 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    • Generally outclassed by fellow Rock-types in the tier (Golem, Regirock, etc), it still earns a spot as an effective suicide lead via Custap Berry.
    • Despite the fact that Golem could run the same Custap Berry set, Gigalith's version has a much more powerful Explosion and Rock Blast to rack in additional damage.
    • Goal of this set: Usually can get Stealth Rock up due to Sturdy while defending itself from Taunt / Magic Bounce users with great coverage moves, Rock Blast (can destroy Sub's and is STAB) and Earthquake (Provides great coverage alongside Rock Blast), hoping for an attack that brings Gigalith in the Custap Berry range (25% or less), and with that priority boost for the next turn, Gigalith can use Explosion to provide a free switch-in to teammates while severely denting the adversary, or get Stealth Rock up quickly, if a chance never arised at the start of the match.
    • Should usually come as a lead or early-game to get Stealth Rocks up as quickly as possible, though, it's typing can be useful against other teams, as it doesn't need to come out early every match just to use Explosion and Custap Berry.
    • Stealth Rock provides entry hazard support, Explosion is the last resort move after the Custap Berry is activated. Rock Blast is a decently-powered STAB move that can break through Substitutes, and Earthquake pairs well with Rock Blast, handling Electric- and Steel-types.


    [ADDITONAL COMMENTS]

    • Custap Berry is the center of this set, raising Gigalith's priority fast enough to get an Explosion or Stealth Rock against the opponent.
    • 44 Speed EVs are to give Gigalith only one Speed creep point. Gigalith is too slow to run a maximized Speed EV set. Despite the fact that Gigalith wants to use Explosion, when you encounter a team weak to it, it'd be stupid to just explode it and ignore the situation because you initialy planned to explode before starting the match. In this case, the extra hp is very useful.
    • Adamant is used to maximized its Attack stat.
    • Sturdy is the ability of choice for this set; allowing Gigalith to survive an OHKO and to slip in one more course of action in Explosion / Stealth Rock via Custap Berry.
    • Normal Gem is viable to this set to increase Gigalith's Explosion damage output, however, the loss of Speed for that final attack from Gigalith usually makes Custap Berry the superior choice.
    • Stone Edge & Superpower can be used for more power / coverage (respectfully), but breaking Substitute's with Rock Blast is important, and Superpower's recoil in stats isn't desired in most cases.
    • Sawk- Great partner for Gigalith; can handle opposing Sturdy users from setting up Stealth Rock (Golem) with Mold Breaker.
    • Water- and Grass-types, like Seismitoad and Sawsbuck, are very useful teammates to deal with Ground-types that trouble Gigalith, especially the likes of Golurk and Marowak; the former is immune to Explosion and resists Rock Blast, while the latter can easily KO through Sturdy with Bonemerang.
    • Taunt users, such as Misdreavus, can easily cut Gigalith short as a lead by preventing Stealth Rock. Faster, preferably Choice Scarf users, can deal with fast taunt users, or faster Pokemon in general. Swellow and Guts Ursaring are good partners to deal with Misdreavus; they are both immune to Shadow Ball and don't mind taking a Will-O-Wisp / Taunt.
    • Spinblockers can stop the foe's spinner from ridding of Stealth Rock; Misdreavus is an excellent choice as a SpinBlocker.
    • Priority users of Mach Punch, Aqua Jet, Ice Shard, can defeat Gigalith before it can make use of the Custap Berry. Bulky Pokemon, such as Musharna and Misdreavus, can take these priority attacks for Gigalith. They can both handle Mold Breaker Sawk as well, who'd otherwise break through Gigalith's Sturdy.
    • Unlike Golem, who boasts a secondary Ground typing, Gigalith's Sturdy can be broken by Volt Switch leads without bringing him to Custap range. It's possible to play with entry hazard damage (no spinners) to get to the Custap Berry range effectively if such a situation occurred.


    [SET]
    name: Custap Berry
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Explosion
    move 3: Rock Blast
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Custap Berry
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Gigalith is generally outclassed by fellow Rock-types, such as Golem and Regirock, it can still function as an effective suicide lead thanks to the Custap Berry. Compared to Golem, a Rock-type that can also run a Custap Berry set, Gigalith has a much more powerful Explosion and Rock Blast. The goal of this set is to set up Stealth Rock, which is almost guaranteed thanks to Gigalith's ability, Sturdy. Gigalith also has EdgeQuake coverage; Rock Blast is a STAB move that can also break Substitutes, and Earthquake rounds out that coverage, handling Electric- and Steel-types. Explosion is used as a last resort in critical situations.</p>

    <p>Usually, Gigalith hopes for an attack that brings it to the Custap Berry range, 25% or below, as it grants it priority the following turn, providing it a free switch-in to teammates with Explosion, severely denting the adversary in the process. Gigalith should be used as a lead to get entry hazards in as quickly as possible. However, its typing can be useful against opposing teams offensively, so it doesn't need to blow up early-game for every match.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Custap Berry is the focal point of the set, as it raises Gigalith's priority on the next turn. The 60 Speed EVs are to outspeed an uninvested Carracosta. 252 EVs are placed in Attack to make the most out of Gigalith's offensive prowess, and the rest goes to HP; 196 HP EVs allow a Primeape's Close Combat to bring Gigalith into the Custap Berry range. Adamant maximizes Gigalith's Attack stat. Despite the fact that Gigalith wants to use Explosion, when you encounter a team that is weak to it, it wouldn't be wise to use Explosion and ignore the situation because you initially planned to explode before starting the match. In that case, the extra HP is very useful. Sturdy is the ability of choice for this set, allowing Gigalith to survive an OHKO and to slip in one more course of action in either Explosion or Stealth Rock via Custap Berry. Normal Gem is an option, as it increases Gigalith's Explosion damage output; however, the loss of priority when Gigalith faces a faster threat makes Custap Berry the superior choice. Stone Edge and Superpower can be used for more power or coverage, respectively. However, the ability to break Substitutes with Rock Blast is vital, and Superpower's stat recoil is undesirable in most cases.</p>

    <p>Water- and Grass-types, such as Seismitoad and Sawsbuck, are very useful teammates to deal with Ground-types that trouble Gigalith, especially Golurk and Marowak; the former is immune to Explosion and resists Rock Blast, while the latter can KO through Sturdy with Bonemerang. Sawk is a great partner for Gigalith; it can keep opposing leads and Sturdy users, such as Golem, from setting up Stealth Rock with Mold Breaker. Musharna and Misdreavus in particular are also great allies for Gigalith as well, and for good reason. Misdreavus is an excellent spinblocker alongside Gigalith to prevent Rapid Spinners from removing its Stealth Rock. Misdreavus and Musharna are also bulky enough to absorb priority attacks that can KO Gigalith before it makes full use of the Custap Berry. They can also deal with Mold Breaker Sawk, which breaks through Gigalith's Sturdy. Taunt users, such as Misdreavus, can easily cut Gigalith short as a lead by preventing Stealth Rock from being used. Stuntank is a good check to Misdreavus, but it must be wary of switching into Misdreavus's Will-O-Wisp. Faster Pokemon, preferably Choice Scarf users, can also deal with fast Taunt users or faster opponents in general. Swellow and Guts Ursaring are good partners to deal with Misdreavus as well; they are both immune to Shadow Ball and don't mind taking a Will-O-Wisp or Taunt from it. Priority attacks can bypass Gigalith's Custap Berry activation as it gives a +0.5 boost instead of a +1 like most priority moves, such as Aqua Jet, making priority users, such as Samurott, a threat. Unlike Golem, which boasts a secondary Ground typing, Gigalith's Sturdy can be broken by Volt Switch leads without bringing it into Custap range. It's possible to use excessive entry hazard damage to get into Custap Berry range effectively if such a situation presents itself.</p>
  2. Django

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    You should take a look at this thread and follow the proper formatting. It also makes it easier for QC members to check if the skeleton is laid out in bullet points.

    I do agree Custap Berry needs to go onsite though, both for Gigalith and Golem.
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    • In the additional comments section you need to explain both the EV Spread and nature choice, as well as the item / ability choice. You also need to explain all the move choices in Set Comments.
    • Also, remove the slashes for Stone Edge and Superpower, Rock Blast and Earthquake are much better.
    • Is there any reason to run Defense and not Speed? As a suicide lead you want to make sure they activate Custap so you can get that move in. Running bulk means they are more likely to leave Gigalith outside of Custap range and then just KO it the next turn because Sturdy is already broken.
    • To be honest it doesn't have amazing coverage, replace that comment with something like Rock / Ground attacks provide good coverage.
    • It is also Stealth Rock, not Stealth Rocks.
    • The abbreviation for Attack is Atk, not Att.
    This will need some more work before we can approve it
  4. Joim

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    After all the changes Django mentioned, you should AC mention the possibility of using Normal Gem to make sure you are KOing your opponent, commenting that you need to calculate when to use Explosion after Stealth Rock is set up; but stating that Custap Berry is usually superior.
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    You know, you might want a slightly larger team options section. Just a thought, I'm sure there are more pokemon that synergise well with it. (Also, Exxegutor can take Grass hits too)
  6. Raseri

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    Is this still being worked on? I know this has been waiting for a long time. But it was never updated with Django's changes. I'll leave this for a few days before someone else can take it over.

    It also doesn't have the right format yet.
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    Alright governess go ahead with this :)
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    Alright; I'll get writing this soon. Alot is happening, it'll be done within week or so.
  9. Governess

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    Ok; finally got the skeleton posted up; it's ready to be checked over! =)
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    I would also highlight the fact that the main reason you would use this over Custap Berry Golem is for the stronger Explosion and Rock Blast (which helps when you get low hit rolls); otherwise, Golem's STAB on Earthquake, immunity to Electric-type attacks, and the ability to interfere with Volt-Turn chains is far superior. The lack of an Ice weakness isn't very relevant since most Ice moves can 2HKO anyways with its low Special Defense (it'll be forced down to Sturdy from the first hit at worst). Oh, and remove the 4 Spe, since you already listed 252 Spe and you literally don't want to put those 4 EVs anywhere.

    You may also want to change Haunter to Misdreavus for Taunt users in AC; I have never seen a Taunt Haunter in my life. Also mention that Water and Grass-types like Seismitoad and Sawsbuck are very useful teammates to deal with Ground-types that trouble Gigalith, especially the likes of Golurk and Marowak (the former is immune to Explosion and resists Rock Blast, while the latter can easily KO through Sturdy with Bonemerang).
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    Thank you DMist; the 4 Spe was meant for HP, have no idea how that error was made xD.

    Also, added in the mention of using this set over Golem's Custap Berry set, along with the change of Haunter to Misdreavus and the addition of Water and Grass-types to the AC.
  12. Sweet Jesus

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    Ok, I'd want to put up to discussion the 252 spe, I know it might be the best on golem, but gigalith is uber slow. I've used suicide gigalith a lot lately, and very frankly, I've never ever felt the need to run more speed than base 30's + speed creep EV's. In this situation, we would only put 1 speed creep point which would give you 44 spe EV's. Sure you can argue gigalith doesn't really need the extra hp when he's booming anyways but when you encounter a team weak to it, it'd be stupid to just explode it and ignore the situation because you initialy planned to explode before starting the match. In this case, the extra hp is very useful.
    Golem wrecks gigalith more than the opposite, remove it from there.

    As I said earlier, gigalith's typing can be extremely useful against some teams, it's not because it has a custap berry and explosion that it absolutley needs to use them.
    What ? take away flyings, jynx and rotom-s and add steel types, no need to put examples, everyone knows about edge-quake.

    In A/C, add unlike golem who boasts a secondary ground typing, gigalith's sturdy can be broken by volt switch leads without bringing him to custap range. You can also add it's possible to play with hazards damage to get to custap range effecitvely in those situations.

    Liepard is minor next to misdreavus, I'd rather put something like swellow and guts ursaring who can both take a shadow ball, a taunt or a will-o-wisp and retaliate on both haunter and misdreavus. You can then remove mentions of gurdurr who is walled by misdrevus and tauros who is somewhat outclassed by primeape as a scarfer.

    Remove mention of curse munchlax, he has nothing to do here, replace him with misdreavus.
    This is getting a little too heavy, having a spinner to get rid of rocks to have sturdy intact just to suicide your mon is really not necessary, remove this completely. Armaldo also has terrible type synergy with gigalith leaving you very weak to water.

    Mention mold breaker sawk breaks through sturdy and misdreavus and musharna are 2 great walls that counter him.

    I'll come back and QC this when all of it is done.
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    Ok; added in everything mentioned in Sweet Jesus's post.
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    Ok, so I talked to a good portion of the QC team, and we all agreed that it is not necessary for gigalithto run max speed, so you can change that to 44 and put the rest in hp.

    You can then change this:
    with the appopriate comment (check first paragraph of my previous post).
    Misdreavus handles mb sawk too, even if he hits EQ, add it.
    I said to take away scarf tauros, it's not really a popular thing to scarf. You don't even need to mention haunter really cause rock blast wrecks it anyway.

    QC Approved 1/3
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    Thank you, Sweet Jesus. I implemented the check and the rest of the changes.
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    Musharna can easily escape from Skuntank with help of T-Wave/Moonlight/Baton Pass/HP Ground, and Skunk does not handle Misdreavus either whenever it is outsped (or if it just switches into either Will-O-Wisp or Taunt).

    I suggest you remove this tidbit, since Skunk is not a reliable counter. I can't remember the number of times I outplayed the Skunk user with my Misdreavus before, rendering it useless with WoW+Taunt. Of course, it is a matter of prediction and mindgames... and the number of Speed EV's.
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    "44 Speed EVs are to give Gigalith only one Speed creep point."
    -As the EVs are tailored to outspeed a speed tier of Pokemon (base 30 in this case) while uninvestment it is not considered speed creeping. Instead replace this sentence with saying that 44 Speed EVs allows Gigalith to outspeed uninvested Musharna and Duosion.

    This looks pretty good to me otherwise. Good job Governess, keep it up.

    [qc]2/3[/qc]

    Go ahead and write this up. If any other QC members have anything else to mention, feel free to do it.
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    Ty EBeast and Aasgier; I'll get to writing this soon.
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    Oh and I forgot to mention that while Skuntank is the not most reliable Misdreavus counter, it should still be mentioned in Additional Comments. Just make sure to point out that Skuntank has to be careful when switching in to avoid Missy's Will-O-Wisp. Musharna doesn't need to be listed as it doesn't stop Gigalith from setting up Stealth Rock and doesn't enjoy taking Rock Blasts or an Explosion from Max Attack Gigalith.
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    Written this up; took faster than I expected, as most of the skeleton was already written.
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    I think you mean the loss of priority when Gigalith faces a faster threat instead of a wall.

    Mention that any priority attack bypasses Gigalith's Custap Berry activation because it gives a +0.5 boost instead of a +1 like most priority moves such as Aqua Jet. Therefore, I'd add mentions of Aqua Jet Samurott in AC since it can bring it down to Sturdy and then Aqua Jet without worrying about Custap Berry.

    I'd also change the spread to 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe. This allows Primeape's Close Combat to always bring it into Custap range (252Atk Primeape (Neutral) Close Combat vs 196HP/0Def Sturdy Gigalith (Neutral): 75% - 88% (270 - 320 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.) The extra speed also allows it to outspeed uninvested Carracosta.

    Add all that and [qc]3/3[/qc]
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    As feedback for the writing content, i just coincidentally noticed that the 'i' in additional was missing ([ADDITONAL COMMENTS] is what's in the op)
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    Thank you, Annoyer and Constantinipple (For some reason I always forget the 'i' T-T). Ill inplement all of this later, as I am really busy atm.
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    Sorry for double posting, but I implemented all the necessary changes, and this is ready for GP.
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    [SET]
    name: Custap Berry
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Explosion
    move 3: Rock Blast
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Custap Berry
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Gigalith is generally outclassed by fellow Rock-types in the tier, such as Golem and Regirock, it can still function as an effective suicide lead thanks to the Custap Berry. Compared to Golem, a Rock-type that can also run a Custap Berry set, Gigalith's version has a much more powerful Explosion and Rock Blast impact. The goal of this set is to usually set up Stealth Rock, which is almost guaranteed thanks to Gigalith's ability, (AC) Sturdy. Gigalith also has an EdgeQuake coverage; Rock Blast is a reliable STAB move that can also break Substitutes, and Earthquake rounds out that coverage, handling Electric- and Steel-types. Explosion is used as a last resort in critical situations.</p>

    <p>Usually, Gigalith hopes for an attack that brings it to the Custap Berry range, or 25% or below, as it grants it priority the following turn, providing it a free switch-in to teammates with Explosion, severely denting the adversary in the process. It Gigalith should be used come as a lead to get entry hazards in as quickly as possible. However, its typing can be useful against opposing teams offensively, so it doesn't need to blow up come out early-game for every match.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Custap Berry is the focal point of the set, as it raises Gigalith's priority on the next turn. The 60 Speed EVs are to outspeed an uninvested Carracosta uninviested in Speed. 252 EVs are placed in Attack to make the most of Gigalith's offensive prowess, and the rest goes to HP; 196 HP EVs allow a Primeape's Close Combat to bring Gigalith into the Custap Berry range. Adamant maximizes Gigalith's Attack stat. Despite the fact that Gigalith wants to use Explosion, when you encounter a team that is weak to it, it wouldn't be wise to use Explosion and ignore the situation because you initialy planned to explode before starting the match. In that case, the extra HP is very useful. Sturdy is the ability of choice for this set; allowing Gigalith to survive an OHKO and to slip in one more course of action in Explosion or Stealth Rock via Custap Berry. Normal Gem is an option, as it increases Gigalith's Explosion damage output; however, the loss of priority when Gigalith faces a faster threat makes Custap Berry the superior choice. Stone Edge and Superpower can be used for more power or coverage, respectively. However, the ability to break Substitutes with Rock Blast is vital, and Superpower's stat recoil is undesirable in most cases.</p>

    <p>Water- and Grass-types, such as Seismitoad and Sawsbuck, are very useful teammates to deal with Ground-types that trouble Gigalith, especially the likes of Golurk and Marowak; the former is immune to Explosion and resists Rock Blast, (RC) while the latter can easily KO through Sturdy with Bonemerang. Sawk is a great partner for Gigalith; it can handle keep opposing leads and Sturdy users from setting up Stealth Rock, such as Golem, with Mold Breaker. Musharna and Misdreavus in particular are also great allies to Gigalith as well, and for good reason. Misdreavus is an excellent spinblocker alongside Gigalith to prevent Rapid Spinners from ridding of removing its Stealth Rock. Misdreavus and Musharna are also bulky enough to absorb priority attacks that could KO Gigalith before it got to make full use of the Custap Berry. They can also deal with Mold Breaker Sawk, who'd which otherwise breaks through Gigalith's Sturdy. Taunt users, such as Misdreavus, can easily cut Gigalith short as a lead by preventing Stealth Rock. Stuntank is a good check to Misdreavus, but it must be wary of switching into Misdreavus's Will-O-Wisp. Faster Pokemon, preferably Choice Scarf users, can also deal with fast Taunt users, or faster opponents Pokemon in general. Swellow and Guts Ursaring are good partners to deal with Misdreavus as well; they are both immune to Shadow Ball and don't mind taking a Will-O-Wisp or Taunt from it. Priority attacks can bypass Gigalith's Custap Berry activation since as it gives a +0.5 boost instead of a +1 like most priority moves, such as Aqua Jet, making priority users, such as Samurott, a threat. Unlike Golem, who which boasts a secondary Ground typing, Gigalith's Sturdy can be broken by Volt Switch leads without bringing him it into Custap range. It's possible to play with use excessive entry hazard damage, or no spinners, to get to the into Custap Berry range effectively if such a situation occurred.</p>


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