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Goldeen (Analysis) [QC 2/2] PM ME IF YOU WANT TO WRITE THIS UP

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by ShinyAzelf, Feb 20, 2011.

  1. ShinyAzelf

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    So I talked to Deinosaur on IRC, and he told me he wanted to contribute, but didn't know how, so we decided to do this analysis together. =)

    Deinosaur has written the Overview, Optional Changes, and Counters section, so he deserves half credit. Those 3 sections are in post 2.
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    [OVERVIEW]
    • Good speed and decent attack
    • Can run a good rain dance set with Swift Swim
    • Small movepool with just enough to run an attacking set
    • Only two weaknesses
    • Hits 17 attack and 15 speed [30 in rain]

    [SET]
    name: Swift Swim
    move 1: Rain Dance
    move 2: Waterfall
    move 3: Megahorn
    move 4: Return
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Swift Swim
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 220 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    - Rain Dance is the only set Goldeen can utilize without being fully outclassed
    - Waterfall gains STAB, and is quite powerful when boosted by Life Orb and Rain, backed up by a decent Attack stat
    - Megahorn provides good coverage, hurting Grass-types hard
    - Is also Goldeen’s best option against opposing Water-types, especially Slowpoke
    - Return provides good neutral coverage, and when paired up with Waterfall, is only resisted by Frillish and Ferroseed, Ferroseed who takes neutral damage from Megahorn

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    - Life Orb provides Goldeen with some much needed power
    - Turns some 3HKOes into 2HKOes
    - Swift Swim allows it to hurt or sweep Pokemon much easier thanks to the boost in Speed
    - Adamant increases Goldeen’s Attack slightly, more important than Speed, since Goldeen is already very fast under Rain
    - EV spread maximizes Attack and Speed, and increases both defenses by one point

    - Ferroseed sets up Spikes on Frillish, a great counter to Goldeen
    - Shed Skin Zuruggu also sets up on Frillish
    - Pawniard can hit Frillish hard with a Dark-type STAB attack
    - Magnemite can trap Ferroseed, and defeat it with a STAB Thunder in the rain
    - Bronzor has good synergy with Goldeen, and can provide Rain Dance, which also removes it’s only weakness

    [OTHER OPTIONS]

    • Special set with Hydro Pump, HP Grass, Ice Beam and Rain Dance, but Special Attack only hits 14 maximum
    • Bounce, but doesn’t offer much coverage, and not reliable
      Aqua Tail for more power, but the extra accuracy and chance of flinch is useful
    • Poison Jab, but only hits Grass-types for super effective, something Megahorn already achieves
    • Agility, outclassed by Rain Dance, which also boosts the power of it's STAB attacks
    • Rain Dance support set with a bulky EV spread, but Goldeen is better off attacking
    • Damp Rock can be used for 3 more turns of rain, but the loss of power from Life Orb is not worth it
    • Lightning Rod can be used as an ability, but Rain Dance is not compatible with Lightning Rod, so a filler move can be used over Rain Dance, and a teammate can set up Rain Dance instead


    [COUNTERS]
    • Ferroseed walls this set almost without problem unless you get lucky with a Megahorn
    • Frillish also can take this set pretty easily with Evolution Stone
    • Faster Swift Swimmers such as Buizel, Poliwag, and Anorith can outspeed Goldeen and KO with appropriate move
  2. Deinosaur

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    [OVERVIEW]
    • Good speed and decent attack
    • Can run a good rain dance set with Swift Swim
    • Small movepool with just enough to run an attacking set
    • Only two weaknesses
    • Hits 17 attack and 15 speed [30 in rain]
    [OPTIONAL CHANGES]

    • Special set with Hydro Pump, HP Grass, Ice Beam and Rain Dance, but Special Attack only hits 14 maximum
    • Bounce, but doesn’t offer much coverage, and not reliable
      Aqua Tail for more power, but the extra accuracy and chance of flinch is useful
    • Poison Jab, but only hits Grass-types for super effective, something Megahorn already achieves
    • Agility, outclassed by Rain Dance, which also boosts the power of it's STAB attacks
    • Rain Dance support set with a bulky EV spread, but Goldeen is better off attacking
    [COUNTERS]
    • Ferroseed walls this set almost without problem unless you get lucky with a Megahorn
    • Frillish also can take this set pretty easily with Evolution Stone
    • Croagunk is a good counter with Dry Skin, priority moves, 4x resistance to Megahorn, and enough defense to survive a Return
    • Faster Swift Swimmers such as Buizel, Poliwag, and Anorith can outspeed Goldeen and KO with appropriate move
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  3. TheFemaleTyrouge

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    You might want to mention how Rain is the only weather that can't be set up permanently in LC. You could mention a Choice Band/Specs Swift Swim set being Adamant/Modest. Swift Swim backs up your speed allowing you to invest Max Evs into your Offensive stats. (Even with that though you still get erm 3-5 turns of rain.)
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    Standard Croagunk is Lonely. 94.7% - 115.8%, a KO with SR. Even with a neutral nature, that's 84.2% - 100%, a 50% chance.

    Mention Ferroseed is hit neutrally by Megahorn.

    ...and maybe mention Damp Rock in OC?

    Add all the TO stuff to AC!

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  6. Al_Alchemist

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    Goldeen gets Lightning Rod (which has already been released from DW), which grants it an immunity to Electric-Type attacks (and a SpA boost), with a filler over Rain Dance (Soak?), it could work since it would resist a lot of Electric-Type Pokemons movesets. Probably OO material though.
  7. ShinyAzelf

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    Done editing all changes, thanks! Will get to writing this up with Deinosaur.
  8. ShinyAzelf

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    Neither Deinosaur or I are writing this up. This is up for grabs. Make sure you give both of us credit!
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    Badal is taking this over. Moving.

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