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Golden Sun Mafia Postgame

Discussion in 'Circus Maximus' started by asim, Feb 7, 2010.

  1. asim

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    Alright this game was really fun to host for both askaninjask and I. I really wanted to run a mafia on this game, but knowing how bad closed themes can be, I decided to leave some of my favorite characters out (Kraden...) for false claims while using outside characters. Not one faction played particularly poorly in this game (some just got a bit unlucky) and iirc the village was lucky with never lynching a villager throughout the entire game. I really thought Yoshi King had the game up until the very end when Weyard pulled through!

    Weyard

    reachzero (died night 1)
    My favorite village role in the game had to die so early... Anyway, reach played pretty well for only being in one night, and at least he tried to bring the village together early in the game. This role was the only one that would know the true abilities of a few items (like the Trident or the 9th Wonders! Comic).
    5/10

    Mattimeo (died night 2)
    Poor Mattimeo had a fun role (my false claim from Arcade Mafia pretty much). Too bad he was hooked and then killed. What is this, c5?
    :(/10

    Crunchatize Me (died night 3)
    Hooked Mattimeo night 1, who would have seen quite a few people targeting reachzero. He then public claimed which confused us but other than that he didn't play especially poorly. The Guitar was also a really useful item with all the thieves running around, although it didn't get much use since most of the thieves in this game died really early.
    meh/10

    KnightoftheWind (suicided day 3)
    Made the smart decision to godkill himself. Sorry for giving you such a terrible role. I at least tried to balance it by giving some information and a decent item. The Shaman Rod would have been very helpful if gotten to Sunshine early in the game. Two BPVs for the village leader or bodyguard would have been broken.
    6/10

    Raverist (died night 4)
    Sigh. There isn't much to say. Raverist false claimed to to RB Golbat and Yoshi King, claiming negative voter when he was mayor. He provided a clearly false role PM and RBG realized Raverist was lying when his negative vote item was stolen. He was the first person marked as 100% evil on the village spreadsheet. I don't think there's much to be said...
    0.000000/10

    Team Aether (died night 5)
    He certainly didn't play poorly. He claimed to RBG even though at first they thought there was no way they could both win. Yoshi King got GoldenKnight to kill him against RBG's orders. Since he died with the chocolate, he won anyway. I really tried to make two village roles with contradictory win conditions. The wording was bad though, and it wasn't really thought out well, so I just let both RBG and Team Aether win.
    6/10

    billymills (died night 5)
    I loved this role and billymills played excellently. He asked incredibly useful questions that led to the lynching of Flamestrike and imperfectluck. He also used his role to check for the numbers of the mafia at two points in the game.
    8/10

    RB Golbat (died night 5)
    RBG led the village to their eventual win. He was disappointed at first that he couldn't act like a mini-neutral (yeah, my fault), and that he needed the village to win in order to win. He was moled successfully twice, in the forms of TIK and Yoshi King, but managed to keep the village on-track. He was, interestingly, going to use the Lash Pebble (a one-time redirection) on RaRe555, his killer, but changed his mind thinking that it couldn't redirect kills (you should've asked us!). Great leader to the village while it lasted.
    9/10

    Da Letter El (died night 6)
    Claimed late, which is a smart, normal thing to do compared to making a false claim. He was also the only BG claim, which helped his case. He was manipulated by Yoshi King night 5 not to protect RBG, but other than that played smart and didn't do anything wrong as is common with bodyguards in mafias these days. Sorry for giving you a role you hate DLE! Also, he kept the Trident the whole game, thinking Poseidon would be in the game looking for it. It actually was an item which would stop the holder from killing at all...
    L/10

    Tyranidos / Dubulous (survived)
    Tyranidos never claimed to RBG iirc, but the night he subbed out he was checking GoldenKnight, which made Dubulous's job quite a bit easier. His ability could secretly power-up any adepts in the game that weren't Isaac (Mia, Maha, Ivan, Saturos, Menardi, Piers, Alex) and make them unhookable for the night.
    6.66666667/10

    Sledge / Eo Ut Mortus (survived)
    It's obvious I enjoy miller roles (although it didn't even come into play this game!). Definitely wound up being a power player in this game, especially when both of the other thieves died before night 3. The village having a thief gave them a silencing power by stealing and giving the black orb around. He also got Yoshi King the Sol Blade and stole the 9th Wonder's Comic from reyscarface the night of his public inspection. The game would have probably been Prox's had Sledge not stolen from rey. Sledge was a relatively new player for this game and he definitely impressed the both of us.
    7.5/10

    GoldenKnight (survived)
    Didn't do any leading per se, but killed who he was told to and played smart in Day 6. His claim was shaky at best without a PM from Tyranidos, which is why he was marked as evil in the beginning of the game, but when Dubulous was subbed in he was basically proven as a villager. Would've become "Dark Link" type wolf on the death of Echo (similar to Eusine in NPC mafia), but that never happened :(
    7/10

    Igor (survived)
    Honestly, he was lucky to have been surrounded by players who were good enough to make up for his less-than-stellar play. He was an instrumental part of letting THE_IRON_KENYAN into the village, he didn't respond when RBG contacted him, he never gave his PM, and he was overall very lucky that Dubulous, GK and polelover saw that reyscarface was more likely to be mafia. Did good to save his public reveal for reyscarface, although Yoshi King seemed to be the only one to believe it at first.
    4/10

    polelover44 (survived)
    Polelover played pretty well for a naive sheriff in his first mafia! He made a false claim that he used when he was talking with reyscarface, which basically secured any doubts he had of his alliance. He claimed early and was marked as a 100% villager in RBG and YK's spreadsheet. Also, the Lash Pebble was a really cool item that was never even used :(
    6/10

    Lemuria


    matty (died night 1)
    Didn't really come online at all in the entire game before he was killed by Yoshi King. Too bad. Probably had the worst or second worst power-up, but could've been great due to the plethora of items in the game. Held the Sol Blade as well, which went to blue_light night 1, and could give Isaac, Alex, or Cylon a one-time BPV and one-time unblockable kill.

    bloop/10

    THE_IRON_KENYAN (lynched day 1)
    Got a surprisingly large amount of claims, seeing as he claimed neutral... Unfortunately, he was found out by Yoshi King quickly, and lynched d1. He also provided fake role PMs to his team that got a lot of them lynched.
    5/10

    Nook (lynched day 4)
    Had a sub-par false claim made by TIK which used a picture that wasn't from tinypic. Other than that he didn't do much until he was lynched. (Yeah, I feel kind of guilty about that, asim and I checked the fake role PM and okayed it; sorry bro). Definitely had the best power-up role, but never got the chance to use it.
    3/10

    Staraptor Call (lynched day 5)
    His claim also used a picture that wasn't form tinypic (again, sorry!), but actually wasn't for certain put in RBG and YK's spreadsheet as evil until his inspection and inevitable lynch. He didn't do much in terms of killing and persuading, but that was mainly because he didn't have a powerful role, and KotW's godkill stopped them from killing on their night. Also had a decent power-up that was not used :/
    6/10

    Prox

    imperfectluck (lynched day 2)
    imperfectluck's false claim of Jenna was great, but he was almost never online throughout the entirety of the game and didn't use his power a single time (I thought it was pretty cool too!). RBG and YK thought he was a villager in the beginning of the game, but they psuedo-inspected him and found him out quickly anyway.
    3/10

    Flamestrike (lynched day 3)
    Not much to say here, claimed something that was difficult to back up, then was pseudo-inspected by billymills and lynched. He did get Yoshi King to contact him as he was being lynched, which was possibly the turning point of the entire game.
    5/10

    reyscarface (died night 7)
    He played well, it was a pity he was never inspected until the night his framing item was stolen. RBG was pretty sure that reyscarface was the inspector, and not Igor. When Yoshi King claimed Metal Sonic (hired gun) to Flamestrike, reyscarface inspected YK which led to his downfall. Late-game, he should have talked with YK about changing the lynch before telling everyone that he was wolf! That would probably have saved both of your lives. Other than that, definitely played well but lost when Yoshi King decided to kill him off to let the village win.
    8/10

    RaRe555 (died night 7)
    Didn't do much; reyscarface sent in the majority of his night actions and he usually never voted. I don't even know if he claimed at all, but if he did then it must have been poor, as he was marked evil very early in the game. Made useful silences, but I wish he would've got in contact with Lemuria's persuader to allow for some easy godkills.
    3.14159/10

    Neutrals

    blue_light (died night 2)
    Played okay, but was marked as a suspicious in RBG and YK's spreadsheet. Unfortunately, Yoshi King saw him as a threat so he killed him. He was actually holding an item that would have given him a bulletproof vest, had he not been using it to kill imperfectluck (who was ironically mafia). Was angry that he didn't know that the Sol Blade's BPV wouldn't work if he was using it to kill, but it was a balancing measure to the Sol Blade's unblockable killing power. When obtaining the Elemental Stars, he would've gained abilities to inspect, hook, and kill in that order.
    4/10

    Yoshi King (lynched day 7)
    Yoshi King played fantastically in this game. We specifically chose him for wolf since he's not a big enough name to be rand-targeted, but a good enough player that he'll shake things up. And damn, did he shake things up. He got into the inner workings of the village Day 1 by outing TIK, and kept access to the village spreadsheet until RBG died. He killed strategically, which wound up killing a possible ally in blue_light, but otherwise did him well. Night 5, RBG trusted YK to tell everyone their night actions (hint: that was probably a bad idea on RBG's part). He used the opportunity to kill billymills, RBG, and Team Aether. Sadly, rey turned on him last minute and he lost his amazing lead to the village. Also used the unblockable kill on the funeral night to cause the only villager death by the "village" on Raverist. (ps. askaninjask wrote this role PM and he was pretty excited about it!)
    10/10

    Special Secret Awards

    Best Villager: RB Golbat
    Best Lemuria: Staraptor Call / THE_IRON_KENYAN
    Best Prox: reyscarface
    Best Neutral: Yoshi King
    Best Sub: Dubulous (but thanks to Eo too!)
    Best Cohost: askaninjask?

    After everything, this was an amazing game to watch and host. aska and I both had a ton of fun and we hope you guys did too! Thanks for playing everyone!

    Look here for the spreadsheet (let me know if you can't see it)

    Also I forgot to add this but I wanted to. Things I learned about hosting this game that I want to make sure to remember:

    -make sure to reword any custom win conditions for villagers or omit them
    -less useless items or less items in general
    -use killer gets the item method other than scavenger role (when blue_light died, the items just stayed on the bodies)
    -two inspector type roles (Igor + billymills) in the village ended up being more broken than I thought even with a naive sheriff
  2. reyscarface

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    FINALLY ITS HERE.

    First of all, thanks for hosting, it was a very fun game to play in.

    Now answers to some of the things you said that concern me:

    That was not a "he did good" actually, that was possibly the biggest mistake I did in this game. You see, I was in contact with Igor, whom I had saved from a lynch (pseudo protecting YK, since if he lynched the real inspector he would have been marked as very suspicious there) and changed the lynch to Staraptor Call (who i didnt inspect, Igor did, but since he was silenced he couldnt say anything about it, and he gave me every single inspection he did from n1 in order for me to save him on the lynch). After the lynch ended, my ending plan was gonna start to work. I told Igor to public inspect YK, in order to get rid of him and then finish the village with ease getting a Prox win, but, even though he told me he would inspect YK, he said he was suspicious of me. Seeing how he was suspicious of me, I decided to change his target to myself, since I would appear as clean, just to then post YK's PM in the thread and manage to lynch him. Sadly, this is where I got luckfucked and basically lost the game. The exact night Igor inspected me, Sledge got my item and basically made me appear as mafia, which destroyed me terribly and ended my perfect endgame plan :(.

    I killed billymills, not YK. And all the kills we did were basically my ideas, though props to YK because he totally got me moled there since even though I knew I had to kill him to win since something was fishy about his role, I ate his "you win if you kill all the adepts" claim and we cooperated.

    Also in Flamestrikes role I think you should give him more credit since him asking for Neutrals to contact us was definitely the turning point in the game and when Mafia/Neutral got the advantage as opposed to a total village control.

    As for the polelover thingie, I totally fucked up there. I counted terribly (fuck mexican schools they cant teach you basic math for shit!) and thought only 3 Lemurians had died instead of 4 (forgot matty), which made me do what I did.

    This is false tbh. When I saw the lynch being headed to me that day, I instantly PMd polelover about it. He told me "YK is leading the lynch and he says youre evil". I seriously was like "what the fuck" and that was the point I got all "yeah this guy needs me dead to win". I DID talk to him before lynching him, AND since some of the village had thought the Archsage Athos claim was decent (or not, i really dont care), I thought I was in a safe position and YK lynching me ruined all of that. I spoke to him about my lynch and he said "sorry, you basically killed yourself with the terrible claim" and I was like "e_e, dude its not terrible, Dubulous is following you this lynch, so are quite possibly the other villagers" to which he replied "yeah but i will be marked as evil if I lynch Igor" aaaand I answered "well would you rather be marked as evil, which probably wouldnt happen at all, and win the game, or lynch me", he answered the latter, so I outed him, I mean if he will backstab me I will backstab him back lol. Simple as this, if he lynched Igor, he would easily could have told GK to kill RaRe, while he killed me, and then he had a bazillion ways to win by lynching villagers, killing, and silencing with black orb, but he decided to take the wrong way to the win, in which he required me to stay silent.

    Anyways gg all of you, and props to Yoshi King.

    Edit: Losing by first getting "luckfucked" and then crossfire is not really nice ;-;
  3. Yoshi King

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    Alas, this postgame shows up but I must go to work! Expect more thoughts in about 6 hours. For those interested, I'll give a day-by-day play of my thoughts.

    I wanted to start off with the fact though that in retrospect rey, I really, really should have stuck by you. Even if I had been marked evil and you had "backstabbed" me by killing me at night (or GK and Dubulous took things into their own hands by killing me), I still had a BPV from the Sol Blade and we did have the lynch controlled by that point. In all honesty I was completely paranoid about being seen as evil (and thus had my BPV stolen, etc etc.), and in my imagination you just said "gg wolf good luck!" instead of turning on me as well. That was sheer naivete at that point, and definitely cost me the game. I did turn extremely sour though, because I was frustrated at my loss. Sour grapes indeed, and I'm sorry for flamebaiting you a lot there.

    More thoughts to come, I want to give everyone my take on how I went through this game.
  4. polelover44

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    I was right. I was naive.
  5. Raverist

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    I've no comments at my hopeless play at this mafia. Nobody else comment at my shit play or you will not get in my mafia-at-development.

    ON a more honest note, I started this game intent on not claiming to anyone, for a change, hoping to use a fake claim to try and have some cover. Clearly I should have researched further than just choosing Dora and as a result fucked up big time. How I fell for YK's Metal Sonic claim, I don't know, perhaps I was just gullible. But yeah, being vanilla sucks, and I played a terrible game, don't rub it in.
  6. RaRe555

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    This being my first forum mafia, I really wasn't sure what I should do =/ Now I realize I could have done a lot more, and hopefully I'll be better in the next games I'm in.

    I have to say props to rey and Flamestrike, they were the stars of our team!
  7. Staraptor Call

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    My original plan for TIK on D1 was to have him contact Sledge, the player new to Smogon mafia, and say that he had cleaned him and that he should try to lead the village. Little did I know Sledge was a miller! TIK didn't follow this, and instead made his own crazy plan that involved me claiming inspector. TIK's trying to lead the village with a neutral claim was a big mistake. Other than that, the hosts were the ones who ruined our team by writing fake role PMs with non-tinypic URLs. There wasn't much I could do; I played my best given the circumstances. When RB Golbat asked me to persuade Knightofthewind and get him godkilled I agreed, thinking he was being godkilled because he was Prox. But I ended up making my team miss a night of killing.
  8. Mattimeo

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    I wanted to be a neutral who needed x happy points to win.
    I didn't tell TIK much but I guess it was enough for them to kill me.
    I liked my role. :(
  9. Team Aether

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    Although I was but an item guard, I did rather enjoy the flavor text in my PM, and I'm happy that RBG was also able to win. :D
  10. Nook

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    mattimeo i randomly killed you
  11. Mattimeo

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    Looking for a new cohost for a mafia game, anyone interested?
  12. THE_IRON_KENYAN

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    Guess what dude, I was the only guy on the team planning. Not only did you and Nook never get on IRC, you sat idly by letting me do my own thing instead of working together with me on planning or executing. Sure, I may have had a bad plan and didnt know it, but if you knew I did have a bad plan then why didnt you tell me? If I recall correctly, the only thing you told me to do was persuade Sledge. Nook wasnt much of a help either, just waiting to be ordered around. I also really like how you now begin to show your true feelings about my plans, instead of telling me when it counts- during the game.

    In short, we are all to blame for the teams losses so dont act like it was all me.
  13. Yoshi King

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    TIK, I think you guys got luck-fucked more than anything else. Losing two members by the end of day 1 pretty much guarantees a loss for your team, and neither could really be helped.

    Edit: I just realized the irony of me saying that.
  14. Nook

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    pick me!

    never on irc? i was on quite a bit
  15. Flamestrike

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    Yeah, this went a lot better than Battleworld mafia for me, glad I actually had a major effect on the game. That being said, all I really did when talking to YK was relay all of the info/questions to YK from rey, then tell rey whatever YK told me. Still, had a lot of fun! Thanks aska and asim!
  16. matty

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    Stop N1 killing me DAMNIT!
  17. Yoshi King

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    Alright guys, sorry for the wait. I had a midterm I had to study for, but that's done now.

    First of all, I want to say great game to everyone, and thanks to asim and askaninjask for hosting. (and being really great for helping me steel my nerves when making a major decision) This has been my favourite mafia game ever, because I think most everyone played pretty well, and I really loved the theme since there's such a lot of lore involved. It took down Super Mario Mafia, my previous favourite. (mostly because I wasn't dead for 80% of the game, lol)

    When I got my role PM, I had a sinking feeling in my stomache. I was wolf? Well, shit, I'm fucked. I didn't really think I had the ability to see it through to the end. I felt very human in this mafia, because I had no pseudo-inspection protection, and as RB Golbat said to me postgame, once I was inspected it was all over. I had to watch out for every move I made and play so as not to bring attention to myself or my motives.

    Night 1, I targetted Matty for my kill, based on the fact that if he were a village, he'd make a strong leader, and if he were mafia he would probably try to mole the fuck out of them. Either way, a strong player goes down. (and this is probably why anonymous games are much better for the better/popular players) Sorry, Matty. It was really nothing personal...

    Moving onto something a little more personal, I targetted blue_light for my mail-reading, knowing that his dislike of me would likely fuel him to target me immediately with a non-lethal role. My assumption was correct- I found out he was a thief, and this led RB Golbat and I to discover his status as the other neutral. Good thing that the Venus star held no powers for me!

    Moving onto Day 2, I knew I had to claim quickly and with a foolproof role. Thanks to my safeclaim, I was able to make up an extremely solid role PM:

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    Thanks again for the help with this, aska and asim.

    So, claiming to RB Golbat immediately was my best course of action. I contacted him on IRC, claimed, and said I'd be willing to help him out. He presented me with TIK's role PM, and I used a little bit of intuition to guess he was probably Lemurian mafia (since otherwise it would all be full of old, wrinkly men). I'm extremely thankful that my hunch turned out to be correct, because I likely would've been on the chopping block if not for that. My successful guess guaranteed me a second-in-command role with RB Golbat, as I was able to use my extensive knowledge of Golden Sun to make educated guesses on a player's alliance or abilities to decide who was evil. However, this also led to my downfall in the endgame.

    While the lynch continued, I was informed of blue_light's abilities becoming stronger and stronger. I was afraid he would target me again for an inspection, and decided to kill him.

    Moving onto Night 1, it was just my luck that blue_light was using the Sol Blade to kill that night. However, I had to fake to RB Golbat that I had been redirected to mattimeo (or hooked, can't remember), as my ability only let me read mail once every other night. Since there were so many players still alive, this was a fairly believable claim to make.

    Day 2

    After billymills' pseudo inspect confirmed that ipl was a mafia, I attempted to get in touch with ipl. IPL was either feigning ignorance or literally did not give a shit about this game, as he more or less ignored my plea to get in contact with the mafia, thinking I was a village mole.

    Night 3

    After Crunchatize Me's public claim of hooker, I killed him. This also led to Flamestrike's death, since he claimed to be an ability copier and we disproved that. Looking back though, I guess the mafia must have targetted CM as well.

    Day 3

    Flamestrike was lynched, I had a lengthy conversation with Flamestrike and claimed Metal Sonic (hired gun). Claiming that I only needed to kill all of the adepts in the game, I felt I was in an okay position... until I was inspected by Rey.

    I believe I also contacted Raverist on Day 3, claiming the same thing... sigh. I'm lucky he didn't suspect me. At the same time, Raverist claimed his actual role to me (Crazy Dave) saying that any mafia's claiming to him would be "trolled hard" and reverse-moled. He also asked me to keep this information from RB Golbat, which I did.

    Night 4

    I blew up Raverist on RB Golbat's orders.

    Actually, this was sort of a turning point for the game. I began to earnestly suspect RB Golbat of being mafia based on his insistence that we off Raverist (and my knowledge of Raverist's actual role) thinking that he might be trying to get rid of the mayor- I used this to my advantage in convincing Da Letter El to protect himself on Night 5.

    Day 4

    I believe RB Golbat was silenced on this day, and I rushed to lead a lynch on Igor (suspecting he was mafia). Reyscarface had contacted me by this point.

    More to come.
  18. asim

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    sssh that's for my next mafia

    actually the mafia (prox iirc) targeted RB Golbat that night but he survived due to the Shaman Rod
  19. Team Aether

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    BTW, thanks for hosting, asim and aska. It was fun while it lasted! :D
  20. Staraptor Call

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    I actually wasn't as inactive as TIK says. On Night 1 I was exchanging plans with him and was the one who came up with the plan to get Sledge to try leading the village. I also met with players multiple times on IRC.

    On an unrelated note, during the Nintendo RTM when Yoshi King was my team-mate (all glory to the Heroes!) he said that I had been very valuable to the village in Golden Sun Mafia. This convinced me that YK knew I was persuader, and that he had the village spreadsheet. Had my team been able to kill for one more night, we would have killed him.
  21. RBG

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    Except for the fact that Yoshi King had a bullet proof vest
  22. Da Letter El

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    I really didnt care about this game. As asim and askaninjask can attest, i tended to take a long time in choosing my targets (and probably held up the game at some points). I wonder, did I actually block any kills?

    Anyway, I love golden sun, and a lot of my hunches proved right; i just didnt really care to think about anything. Also how the hell did i not die until that late, seriously...

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