RU Gourgeist-S

[LightningLuxray]

QC Checks: EonX, Spirit, Molk
GP Checks: Metal Sonic (Stamped by fleurdyleurse), horyzhnz

Overview
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Gourgeist-S's niche in RU comes from its very good Speed stat, which, in combination with its access to Will-O-Wisp and Leech Seed, allow it to Substitute stall easily. It also has a nice Defense stat even without investment, as well as a helpful defensive typing that resists Ground-, Grass-, and Water-type attacks and is immune to Fighting-type attacks, meaning that it doesn't have any trouble switching in and taking attacks. Unfortunately, most fast special attackers have no trouble beating it, which means that it can have trouble against certain teams. Gourgeist-S is also completely reliant on residual damage to be effective; as such, Taunt and Magic Guard completely shut it down. Finally, a weakness to Knock Off really hampers its ability to switch into Fighting-types, which it would otherwise beat.

SubSeed
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name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Will-O-Wisp
move 4: Protect / Phantom Force
ability: Frisk
item: Leftovers
evs: 152 HP / 132 Def / 224 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
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Substitute is used to avoid incoming attacks and stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage. Leech Seed can heal off most of the damage from Substitute when used with Leftovers and also wears down the opponent. Will-O-Wisp is used not only to cripple physical attackers, but also to wear down the opponent even more in combination with Leech Seed. Protect is used to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage without having to take a hit like Gourgeist-S would with Phantom Force. Protect does, however, leave Gourgeist-S very vulnerable to Taunt. Phantom Force can be used in the last slot to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage while also making sure that Gourgeist-S isn't complete Taunt bait. However, it gives Normal-type Pokemon, most notably Exploud, a free switch-in. Seed Bomb is an option, though it does pitiful amounts of damage to Grass-types which are immune to Leech Seed and Fire-types which are immune to Will-O-Wisp. Additionally, Seed Bomb doesn't give Gourgeist-S the ability to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage.

Set Details
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The EV spread with a Jolly nature allows Gourgeist-S to outspeed max Speed base 95 Speed Pokemon such as Drapion in order to use Will-O-Wisp, Leech Seed, or Substitute against them. The given HP EVs maximize Leech Seed recovery while also providing good bulk, with the leftover EVs being added to Defense to better take physical hits. Jolly is preferred if Phantom Force is being used; otherwise, a Timid nature is preferred to reduce Foul Play and confusion damage. Frisk is the ability of choice, as it lets Gourgeist-S scout the opponent's item. Leftovers is a necessity, as in combination with Leech Seed, it heals off much of the HP lost from using Substitute.

Usage Tips
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Try to bring Gourgeist-S in on a slow Ground-, Water-, or Fighting-type that can't hurt it and set up a Substitute. From there, use the combination of Substitute, Leech Seed, Will-O-Wisp, and Protect or Phantom Force to slowly whittle away at the opponent's health. It's important to avoid Knock Off at all costs, as Leftovers recovery is a big part of what makes Gourgeist-S successful.

Team Options
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Toxic Spikes support is amazing, as Gourgeist-S can stall entire teams with Leech Seed in combination with Toxic Spikes. Drapion not only sets up Toxic Spikes but can also take the Dark- and Ghost-type moves that Gourgeist-S hates. Weezing and Roselia are other Pokemon that can use Toxic Spikes. With no reliable recovery move, Gourgeist-S greatly appreciates Wish support. Alomomola and Aromatisse are two of the best Wish passers in the tier and also pair really well with Gourgeist-S: the former takes Fire- and Ice-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while the latter can take Dark-type attacks with ease. Rhyperior is great at absorbing Fire- and Flying-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while Gourgeist-S can take Water- and Grass-type moves for Rhyperior. Qwilfish has good synergy with Gourgeist-S, as it takes Fire- and Ice-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while Gourgeist-S can take Ground- and Electric-type attacks for Qwilfish in return. Qwilfish can also set up Spikes to further wear down the opponent. Because Grass- and Fire-types are immune to Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp, respectively, Pokemon that can deal with these types make for good partners. Slowking counters most Fire-types and also has a super effective STAB move to beat Amoonguss, and can even lure in other Grass-types with Fire Blast. Golbat 4x resists Grass-type moves and can retaliate back with Brave Bird. It can also clear entry hazards via Defog, helping to extend Gourgeist-S's lifespan.

Other Options
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Pain Split can be used for healing, though it's unreliable and Leech Seed tends to do a better job of healing. Rock Slide can be used to hit the Fire-, Ice-, and Flying-types which tend to pester Gourgeist-S and can also flinch, though it isn't very strong. Shadow Sneak can be used as a priority attack, though it's extremely weak. Finally, Toxic can be used to wear down the opponent more easily, though Will-O-Wisp's ability to cripple physical attackers is usually preferred.

Checks & Counters
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**Grass-types**: Most Grass-types such as Amoonguss and Rotom-C are immune to Leech Seed and don't mind Will-O-Wisp. Amoonguss can also fire back with Sludge Bomb, making it one of the best counters to Gourgeist-S.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types such as Delphox, Emboar, and Moltres are immune to Will-O-Wisp and can defeat Gourgeist-S with a super effective STAB attack. Leech Seed in combination with Substitute and either Phantom Force or Protect can do a number to them, however.

**Fast Special Attackers**: Most fast special attackers can switch into a Will-O-Wisp and Leech Seed with relative ease and retaliate with a special attack.

**Bulky Taunt Users**: Bulky Pokemon with Taunt such as Drapion and Skuntank can Taunt Gourgeist-S and render it near useless. However, they don't like being burned.

**Sound Moves**: Sound moves such as Exploud's Boomburst and Accelgor's Bug Buzz go through Substitute, which means that they can easily deal with Gourgeist-S.

**Status**: Toxic damage can prevent Gourgeist-S from stalling out its opponent effectively. Toxic Spikes is a great way to inflict poison, as Gourgeist-S can't avoid it with Substitute like it can with Toxic.

**Magic Guard**: Pokemon with Magic Guard such as Reuniclus and Sigilyph take no damage from Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp. They can also take a Phantom Force and KO Gourgeist-S back.

 

[LightningLuxray]

Ok, this is finally ready for QC checks :]

 

[EonX]

Bringing this thing back up:

[SubSeed]

- Put Protect as the first slash. Giving Exploud an absolute free switch-in on Phantom Force's charge turn sucks ass, even more than being complete Taunt bait
- If the Defense EVs don't let you survive anything in particular, just move them over to Speed
- Spikes users to punish the switching Gourgeist-S will cause with Wisp and Leech Seed. Qwilfish is super cool for synergy purposes
- Also note that Slowking typically carries Fire Blast, making Grass-types think twice about trying to switch-in against it.

[Checks and Counters]

- Make special mention of Sigilyph. Though it's slower, it has the bulk to tank a Phantom Force and KO back while not caring a bit about Wisp or Leech Seed

Don't see much else that needs fixing up LightningLuxray. Implement these changes / adjustments, and this will be

QC Approved 1/3

 

[LightningLuxray]

Bringing this thing back up:

[SubSeed]

- Put Protect as the first slash. Giving Exploud an absolute free switch-in on Phantom Force's charge turn sucks ass, even more than being complete Taunt bait
- If the Defense EVs don't let you survive anything in particular, just move them over to Speed
- Spikes users to punish the switching Gourgeist-S will cause with Wisp and Leech Seed. Qwilfish is super cool for synergy purposes
- Also note that Slowking typically carries Fire Blast, making Grass-types think twice about trying to switch-in against it.

[Checks and Counters]

- Make special mention of Sigilyph. Though it's slower, it has the bulk to tank a Phantom Force and KO back while not caring a bit about Wisp or Leech Seed

Don't see much else that needs fixing up LightningLuxray. Implement these changes / adjustments, and this will be

QC Approved 1/3

Thanks, this has been implemented and I'm ready for the next check ^.^

 

[LightningLuxray]

Thanks Spirit, this has been written and is ready for its final check! :]

 

[Molk]

QC Approved 3/3

just remove yanmega mentions and stuff and this should be fine =)

 

[LightningLuxray]

Thanks! This is GP ready :]

 

[frenzyplant]

amcheck :)

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Overview
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Gourgeist-S's niche in RU comes from its very good Speed stat, which in combination with Will-O-Wisp and Leech Seed allows it to Substitute stall easily. It also has a nice Defense stat even when not invested, as well as a helpful defensive typing that resists Ground-, Grass-, and Water-type attacks and is immune to Fighting-type attacks, meaning it doesn't have any trouble switching in and taking attacks itself. Unfortunately, (comma) for Gourgeist-S, it does have some key flaws. most fast special attackers have no trouble beating it, (remove comma) or at the very least forcing it out, meaning it can have trouble against certain teams. it also Gourgeist-S is also completely reliant on residual damage to be effective, meaning things like Taunt and Magic Guard completely shut it down. Finally, a weakness to Knock Off really hampers its ability to switch into Fighting-types, a type which it would otherwise beat.

SubSeed
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name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Will-O-Wisp
move 4: Protect / Phantom Force
ability: Frisk
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 224 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
========

Substitute is used to allow Gourgeist-S to avoid incoming attacks, as well as and stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage. Leech Seed can heal off most of the damage from Substitute when used with Leftovers and also damages wears down the opponent, wearing them down. Will-O-Wisp is used not only to cripples physical attackers, but also to wear down the opponent even more in combination with Leech Seed. Protect is used to stall out for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage without having to take a hit after Gourgeist-S attacks like it Gourgeist-S would with Phantom Force. It Protect does, however, leave Gourgeist-S very vulnerable to Taunt. Phantom Force can be used in the last slot to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage while also making sure Gourgeist-S isn't complete Taunt bait. It does, however, give However, it gives Normal-type Pokemon such as Exploud a free switch-in. Seed Bomb is an option, though it does terrible damage to the Grass-types immune to Leech Seed and the Fire-types immune to Will-O-Wisp, (comma) and it doesn't have the luxury of being able ability to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage.

Set Details
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The EV spread with a Timid or Jolly nature allows for Gourgeist-S to outspeed max Speed base 95's Speed Pokemon such as Drapion and Will-O-Wisp, Leech Seed, or Substitute against them. Jolly is preferred if Phantom Force is being used; otherwise, a Timid nature is preferred to reduce Foul Play and confusion damage. Frisk is the ability of choice, as it lets Gourgeist-S scout the opponent's (apostrophe) item. Leftovers is a necessity, as in combination with Leech Seed, it heals off much of the damage caused by Substitute.

Usage Tips
========

Try to bring Gourgiest-S in on a slow Ground-, Water-, or Fighting-type that can't hurt it and set up a Substitute. From there, use the combination of Substitute, Leech Seed, Will-O-Wisp, and Protect or Phantom Force to slowly whittle away at the opponent's health. It's important to avoid Knock Off at all costs, as Leftovers recovery is a big part of what makes Gourgeist-S successful.

Team Options
========

Toxic Spikes support is amazing, as Gourgeist-S can stall entire teams with Leech Seed in combination with Toxic Spikes. Drapion not only spreads sets Toxic Spikes, (remove comma) but can also can take the Dark- and Ghost-type moves that Gourgeist-S hates. Weezing and Roselia are other Pokemon which can use Toxic Spikes. With no reliable recovery move, Gourgeist-S greatly appreciates Wish support is greatly appreciated. Alomomola and Aromatisse are two of the best Wish users in the tier and also happen to pair really well with Gourgeist-S: (semicolon to colon) the former takes Fire- and Ice-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while the latter can take Dark-type attacks with relative ease. Rhyperior is great at absorbing Fire- and Flying-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while Gourgeist-S can take Water- and Grass-type moves for Rhyperior. Qwilfish has good synergy with Gourgeist-S, as it takes the Fire- and Ice-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while Gourgeist-S can take Ground- and Electric-type attacks for Qwilfish in return. It Qwilfish can also set up Spikes to further wear down the opponent. Because Grass- and Fire-types are immune to Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp, (remove comma) respectively, Pokemon to deal with Pokemon of these types make for good partners. Slowking counters most Fire-types and also has a super effective STAB move for Amoonguss. Slowking's Fire Blast also makes other Grass-types think twice before switching in. Golbat 4x resists Grass-type moves and can retaliate hit back with Brave Bird. It can also clear entry hazards via with Defog, helping to extend Gourgeist-S's lifespan.

Other Options
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Pain Split can be used for healing, though it's unreliable, (remove comma) and Leech Seed tends to do a better job of healing, anyways. Rock Slide can be used to hit the Fire-, Ice-, and Flying-types which tend to pester Gourgeist-S, though it isn't very strong. Shadow Sneak can be used for a priority attack, though it's extremely weak. Finally, Toxic can be used to more easily wear down the opponent, thought Will-O-Wisp's ability to cripple physical attackers is usually preferred.

Checks & Counters
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**Grass-types**: Grass-types such as Amoonguss and Rotom-C are immune to Leech Seed and don't mind Will-O-Wisp. Amoonguss can also fire back with Sludge Bomb, making it one of the best counters to Gourgeist-S.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types such as Delphox, Emboar, and Moltres are immune to Will-O-Wisp and can fire back with a super effective STAB attack. Leech Seed in combination with Substitute and either Phantom Force or Protect can do a number to them, however.

**Fast Special Attackers**: Most fast special attackers can switch into a Will-O-Wisp with relative ease and fire back with a special attack.

**Bulky Taunt Users**: Bulky Pokemon with Taunt such as Drapion and Skuntank can Taunt Gourgeist-S and render it near-useless (dash). They don't like being burned, however.

**Sound Moves**: Sound moves such as Exploud's Boomburst and Accelgor's Bug Buzz go through Substitute, meaning they can easily deal with Gourgeist-S.

**Status**: Toxic damage can prevent Gourgeist-S from stalling out its opponent effectively. Toxic Spikes is a great way to inflict poison, as Gourgeist-S can't avoid it with Substitute like it can with Toxic.

**Magic Guard**: Pokemon with Magic Guard such as Reuniclus and Sigilyph take no damage from Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp. (period) and They can also comfortably take a Phantom Force and KO Gourgeist-S back.

 

[LightningLuxray]

Implemented, thank you :]

 

[Metal Sonic]

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Overview
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Gourgeist-S's niche in RU comes from its very good Speed stat, which,(add comma) in combination with access to Will-O-Wisp and Leech Seed,(add comma) allows it to Substitute stall easily. It also has a nice Defense stat even without investment when not invested, as well as a helpful defensive typing that resists Ground-, Grass-, and Water-type attacks and is immune to Fighting-type attacks, meaning that it doesn't have any trouble switching in and taking attacks. Unfortunately, most fast special attackers have no trouble beating it,(comma) or at the very least,(comma) forcing it out, which means meaning that it can have trouble against certain teams. Gourgeist-S is also completely reliant on residual damage to be effective; as such, things like Taunt and Magic Guard completely shut it down. Finally, a weakness to Knock Off really hampers its ability to switch into Fighting-types, which it would otherwise beat.

SubSeed
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name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Will-O-Wisp
move 4: Protect / Phantom Force
ability: Frisk
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 224 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
========

Substitute is used to allow Gourgeist-S to avoid incoming attacks and stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage. Leech Seed can heal off most of the damage from Substitute when used with Leftovers and also wears down the opponent. Will-O-Wisp is used not only to cripples physical attackers, but also to wear down the opponent even more in combination with Leech Seed. Protect is used to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage without having to take a hit it like Gourgeist-S would with Phantom Force. Protect does, however, leave Gourgeist-S very vulnerable to Taunt. Phantom Force can be used in the last slot to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage while also making sure that Gourgeist-S isn't complete Taunt bait. However, it gives Normal-type Pokemon a free switch-in, most notably Exploud. Seed Bomb is an option, though it does terrible pitiful amounts of damage to the Grass-types,(comma) which are immune to Leech Seed,(comma) and the Fire-types,(comma) which are immune to Will-O-Wisp.(period) and, Additionally, Seed Bomb does not have the ability to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage.

Set Details
========

The EV spread,(comma) with a positive Speed nature,(comma) allows Gourgeist-S to outspeed max Speed base 95 Speed Pokemon such as Drapion and to use Will-O-Wisp, Leech Seed, or Substitute against them. Jolly is preferred if Phantom Force is being used; otherwise, a Timid nature is preferred to reduce Foul Play and confusion damage. Frisk is the ability of choice, as it lets Gourgeist-S scout the opponent's item. Leftovers is a necessity, as,(comma) in combination with Leech Seed, it heals off much of the damage caused by Substitute.

Usage Tips
========

Try to bring Gourgiest-S Gourgeist-S in on a slow Ground-, Water-, or Fighting-type that can't hurt it and set up a Substitute. From there, use the combination of Substitute, Leech Seed, Will-O-Wisp, and Protect or Phantom Force to slowly whittle away at the opponent's health. It's important to avoid Knock Off at all costs, as Leftovers recovery is a big part of what makes Gourgeist-S successful.

Team Options
========

Toxic Spikes support is amazing, as Gourgeist-S can stall entire teams with Leech Seed in combination with Toxic Spikes. Drapion not only sets up Toxic Spikes, but can also take the Dark- and Ghost-type moves that Gourgeist-S hates. Weezing and Roselia are other Pokemon which that can use Toxic Spikes. With no reliable recovery move, Gourgiest-S Gourgeist-S greatly appreciates Wish support. Alomomola and Aromatisse are two of the best Wish passers in the tier and also pair really well with Gourgeist-S: the former takes Fire- and Ice-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while the latter can take Dark-type attacks with ease. Rhyperior is great at absorbing Fire- and Flying-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while Gourgeist-S can take Water- and Grass-type moves for Rhyperior. Qwilfish has good synergy with Gourgeist-S, as it takes Fire- and Ice-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while Gourgeist-S can take Ground- and Electric-type attacks for Qwilfish in return. Qwilfish can also set up Spikes to further wear down the opponent. Because As Grass- and Fire-types are immune to Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp, respectively, Pokemon to that can deal with these types make for good partners. Slowking counters most Fire-types and also has a super effective STAB move to defeat for Amoonguss. Slowking's Fire Blast also makes other Grass-types think twice before switching in. Golbat 4x resists Grass-type moves and can retaliate back with Brave Bird. It can also clear entry hazards via Defog, helping to extend Gourgeist-S's lifespan.

Other Options
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Pain Split can be used for healing, though it's unreliable and Leech Seed tends to do a better job at of healing, anyways. Rock Slide can be used to hit the Fire-, Ice-, and Flying-types which tend to pester Gourgeist-S, though it isn't very strong. Shadow Sneak can be used for as a priority attack, though it's extremely weak. Finally, Toxic can be used to more easily wear down the opponent more easily, thought Will-O-Wisp's ability to cripple physical attackers is usually preferred.

Checks & Counters
########

**Grass-types**: Grass-types such as Amoonguss and Rotom-C are immune to Leech Seed and don't mind Will-O-Wisp. Amoonguss can also fire back with Sludge Bomb, making it one of the best counters to Gourgeist-S.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types such as Delphox, Emboar, and Moltres are immune to Will-O-Wisp and can defeat Gourgeist fire back with a super effective STAB attack. Leech Seed in combination with Substitute and either Phantom Force or Protect can do a number to them, however.

**Fast Special Attackers**: Most fast special attackers can switch into a Will-O-Wisp with relative ease and fire back retaliate with a special attack.

**Bulky Taunt Users**: Bulky Pokemon with Taunt such as Drapion and Skuntank can Taunt Gourgeist-S and render it near useless. T However, they don't like being burned, however.

**Sound Moves**: Sound moves such as Exploud's Boomburst and Accelgor's Bug Buzz go through Substitute, which means that meaning they can easily deal with Gourgeist-S.

**Status**: Toxic damage on Gourgeist-S can prevent it Gourgeist-S from stalling out its opponent effectively. Toxic Spikes is a great way to inflict poison, as Gourgeist-S can't avoid it with Substitute like it can with Toxic.

**Magic Guard**: Pokemon with Magic Guard such as Reuniclus and Sigilyph take no damage from Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp. They can also comfortably tank (I don't think they can "comfortably tank" a super-effective attack? Maybe "survive" or "take" is better.) a Phantom Force and KO Gourgeist-S back.

 

[Goddess Briyella]

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[fleurdyleurse]

amcheck mark II (please dont implement this until a GP member Goddess Briyella approves this ^_^)

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red = deletions
green is for comments!

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Overview
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Gourgeist-S's niche in RU comes from its very good Speed stat, which,(add comma) in combination with access to Will-O-Wisp and Leech Seed,(add comma) allows it to Substitute stall easily. It also has a nice Defense stat even without investment when not invested, as well as a helpful defensive typing that resists Ground-, Grass-, and Water-type attacks and is immune to Fighting-type attacks, meaning that it doesn't have any trouble switching in and taking attacks. Unfortunately, most fast special attackers have no trouble beating it,(comma) or at the very least,(comma) forcing it out, which means meaning that it can have trouble against certain teams. Gourgeist-S is also completely reliant on residual damage to be effective; as such, things like Taunt and Magic Guard completely shut it down. Finally, a weakness to Knock Off really hampers its ability to switch into Fighting-types, which it would otherwise beat.

SubSeed
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name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Will-O-Wisp
move 4: Protect / Phantom Force
ability: Frisk
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 224 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
========

Substitute is used to allow Gourgeist-S to avoid incoming attacks and stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage. Leech Seed can heal off most of the damage from Substitute when used with Leftovers and also wears down the opponent. Will-O-Wisp is used not only to cripples physical attackers, but also to wear down the opponent even more in combination with Leech Seed. Protect is used to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage without having to take a hit it like Gourgeist-S would with Phantom Force. Protect does, however, leave Gourgeist-S very vulnerable to Taunt. Phantom Force can be used in the last slot to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage while also making sure that Gourgeist-S isn't complete Taunt bait. However, it gives Normal-type Pokemon a free switch-in, most notably Exploud. Seed Bomb is an option, though it does terrible pitiful amounts of damage to the Grass-types,(comma) which are immune to Leech Seed,(comma) and the Fire-types,(comma) which are immune to Will-O-Wisp.(period) and, Additionally, Seed Bomb does not have the ability to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage.

Set Details
========

The EV spread,(comma) with a positive Speed nature,(comma) allows Gourgeist-S to outspeed max Speed base 95 Speed Pokemon such as Drapion and to use Will-O-Wisp, Leech Seed, or Substitute against them. Jolly is preferred if Phantom Force is being used; otherwise, a Timid nature is preferred to reduce Foul Play and confusion damage. Frisk is the ability of choice, as it lets Gourgeist-S scout the opponent's item. Leftovers is a necessity, as,(comma) in combination with Leech Seed, it heals off much of the damage caused by Substitute.

Usage Tips
========

Try to bring Gourgiest-S Gourgeist-S in on a slow Ground-, Water-, or Fighting-type that can't hurt it and set up a Substitute. From there, use the combination of Substitute, Leech Seed, Will-O-Wisp, and Protect or Phantom Force to slowly whittle away at the opponent's health. It's important to avoid Knock Off at all costs, as Leftovers recovery is a big part of what makes Gourgeist-S successful.

Team Options
========

Toxic Spikes support is amazing, as Gourgeist-S can stall entire teams with Leech Seed in combination with Toxic Spikes. Drapion not only sets up Toxic Spikes, but can also take the Dark- and Ghost-type moves that Gourgeist-S hates. Weezing and Roselia are other Pokemon which that can use Toxic Spikes. With no reliable recovery move, Gourgiest-S Gourgeist-S greatly appreciates Wish support. Alomomola and Aromatisse are two of the best Wish passers in the tier and also pair really well with Gourgeist-S: the former takes Fire- and Ice-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while the latter can take Dark-type attacks with ease. Rhyperior is great at absorbing Fire- and Flying-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while Gourgeist-S can take Water- and Grass-type moves for Rhyperior. Qwilfish has good synergy with Gourgeist-S, as it takes Fire- and Ice-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while Gourgeist-S can take Ground- and Electric-type attacks for Qwilfish in return. Qwilfish can also set up Spikes to further wear down the opponent. Because As Grass- and Fire-types are immune to Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp, respectively, Pokemon to that can deal with these types make for good partners. Slowking counters most Fire-types and also has a super effective STAB move to defeat for Amoonguss. Slowking's Fire Blast also makes other Grass-types think twice before switching in. Golbat 4x resists Grass-type moves and can retaliate back with Brave Bird. It can also clear entry hazards via Defog, helping to extend Gourgeist-S's lifespan.

Other Options
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Pain Split can be used for healing, though it's unreliable and Leech Seed tends to do a better job at of healing, anyways. Rock Slide can be used to hit the Fire-, Ice-, and Flying-types which tend to pester Gourgeist-S, though it isn't very strong. Shadow Sneak can be used for as a priority attack, though it's extremely weak. Finally, Toxic can be used to more easily wear down the opponent more easily, thought Will-O-Wisp's ability to cripple physical attackers is usually preferred.

Checks & Counters
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**Grass-types**: Grass-types such as Amoonguss and Rotom-C are immune to Leech Seed and don't mind Will-O-Wisp. Amoonguss can also fire back with Sludge Bomb, making it one of the best counters to Gourgeist-S.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types such as Delphox, Emboar, and Moltres are immune to Will-O-Wisp and can defeat Gourgeist fire back with a super effective STAB attack. Leech Seed in combination with Substitute and either Phantom Force or Protect can do a number to them, however.

**Fast Special Attackers**: Most fast special attackers can switch into a Will-O-Wisp with relative ease and fire back retaliate with a special attack.

**Bulky Taunt Users**: Bulky Pokemon with Taunt such as Drapion and Skuntank can Taunt Gourgeist-S and render it near useless. T However, they don't like being burned, however.

**Sound Moves**: Sound moves such as Exploud's Boomburst and Accelgor's Bug Buzz go through Substitute, which means that meaning they can easily deal with Gourgeist-S.

**Status**: Toxic damage on Gourgeist-S can prevent it Gourgeist-S from stalling out its opponent effectively. Toxic Spikes is a great way to inflict poison, as Gourgeist-S can't avoid it with Substitute like it can with Toxic.

**Magic Guard**: Pokemon with Magic Guard such as Reuniclus and Sigilyph take no damage from Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp. They can also comfortably tank (I don't think they can "comfortably tank" a super-effective attack? Maybe "survive" or "take" is better.) a Phantom Force and KO Gourgeist-S back.

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[aVocado]

Would it be worth it to EV Gourgeist-S to outspeed Sigilyph?

252 HP / 20 Def / 236 Spe would be the spread.

 

[LightningLuxray]

Implemented and ready for the next check :]

EDIT: Arikado I'm not sure. Gourgiest-S already kinda loses to Sigilyph regardless.

 

[Punchshroom]

Hi LightningLuxray, remember what I told you in the NU analysis of SmallGeist? 152 HP, Rock Slide + flinch, all that stuff in the NU analysis can be applied here, except 236 Spe can be used instead to outrun Sigilyph if it really wants to, but isn't that necessary (can be mentioned in Set Details).

 

[LightningLuxray]

Ok done, don't really find Sigilyph necessary though because it's uncommon + you pretty much lose to it anyways.

 

[tehy]

Amcheck

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Overview
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Gourgeist-S's niche in RU comes from its very good Speed stat, which, in combination with its access to Will-O-Wisp and Leech Seed, allow it to Substitute stall easily. It also has a nice Defense stat even without investment, as well as a helpful defensive typing that resists Ground-, Grass-, and Water-type attacks and is immune to Fighting-type attacks, meaning that it doesn't have any trouble switching in and taking attacks. Unfortunately, most fast special attackers have no trouble beating it, or at the very least forcing it out, which means that it can have trouble against certain teams. Gourgeist-S is also completely reliant on residual damage to be effective; as such, things like Taunt and Magic Guard completely shut it down. Finally, a weakness to Knock Off really hampers its ability to switch into Fighting-types, which it would otherwise beat.

SubSeed
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name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Will-O-Wisp
move 4: Protect / Phantom Force
ability: Frisk
item: Leftovers
evs: 152 HP / 132 Def / 224 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
========

Substitute is used to allow Gourgeist-S to avoid incoming attacks and stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage. Leech Seed can heal off most of the damage from Substitute when used with Leftovers and also wears down the opponent. Will-O-Wisp is used not only to cripple physical attackers, but also to wear down the opponent even more in combination with Leech Seed. Protect is used to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage without having to take a hit like Gourgeist-S would with Phantom Force. Protec, but does, however, leaves Gourgeist-S very vulnerable to Taunt. Phantom Force can be used in the last slot to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage while also making sure that Gourgeist-S isn't complete Taunt bait. However, it gives Normal-type Pokemon a free switch-in, most notably Exploud, a free switch-in. Seed Bomb is an option, though it does pitiful amounts of damage to Grass-types, which are immune to Leech Seed and the Fire-types, which are immune to Will-O-Wisp. Additionally, Seed Bomb doesn't have the ability to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage.

Set Details
========

The EV spread with a positive Speed nature allows Gourgeist-S to outspeed max Speed base 95 Speed Pokemon such as Drapion in order to use Will-O-Wisp, Leech Seed, or Substitute against them. The given HP EVs allow Gourgeist-S to maximizestrike a balance between Leech Seed recovery and maintaining bulk, with the rest of the EVs added to Defense to better take physical hits. Jolly is preferred if Phantom Force is being used; otherwise, a Timid nature and a 0 Attack IV is preferred to reduce Foul Play and confusion damage. Frisk is the ability of choice, as it lets Gourgeist-S scout the opponent's item. Leftovers is a necessity, as in combination with Leech Seed, it heals off much of the damage caused by Substitute.

Usage Tips
========

Try to bring Gourgeist-S in on a slow Ground-, Water-, or Fighting-type that can't hurt it and set up a Substitute. From there, use the combination of Substitute, Leech Seed, Will-O-Wisp, and Protect or Phantom Force to slowly whittle away at the opponent's health. It's important to avoid Knock Off at all costs, as Leftovers recovery is a big part of what makes Gourgeist-S successful.

Team Options
========

Toxic Spikes support is amazing, as Gourgeist-S can stall entire teams with Leech Seed in combination with Toxic Spikes. Drapion not only sets up Toxic Spikes but can also take the Dark- and Ghost-type moves that Gourgeist-S hates.: Weezing and Roselia care other Pokemon that canalso use Toxic Spikes. With no reliable recovery move, Gourgeist-S greatly appreciates Wish support. Alomomola and Aromatisse are two of the best Wish passers in the tier and also pair really well with Gourgeist-S: the former takes Fire- and Ice-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while the latter can take Dark-type attacks with ease. Rhyperior is great at absorbing Fire- and Flying-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while Gourgeist-S can take Water- and Grass-type moves for Rhyperior. Qwilfish has good synergy with Gourgeist-S, as it takes Fire- and Ice-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while Gourgeist-S can take Ground- and Electric-type attacks for Qwilfish in return. Qwilfish can also set up Spikes to further wear down the opponent. Because Grass- and Fire-types are immune to Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp, respectively, Pokemon that can deal with these types make for good partners. Slowking counters most Fire-types and also has a super effective STAB move to beat Amoonguss. Slowking's Fi, and can even lure Blast also in and smakes other Grass-types withink twice befo Fire Blaswitching in. Golbat 4x resists Grass-type moves and can retaliate back with Brave Bird. It can also clear entry hazards via Defog, helping to extend Gourgeist-S's lifespan.

Other Options
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Pain Split can be used for healing, though it's unreliable and Leech Seed tends to do a better job of healing. Rock Slide can be used to hit the Fire-, Ice-, and Flying-types which tend to pester Gourgeist-S, though it isn't very strong. Shadow Sneak can be used as a priority attack, though it's extremely weak. Finally, Toxic can be used to wear down the opponent more easily, though Will-O-Wisp's ability to cripple physical attackers is usually preferred.

Checks & Counters
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**Grass-types**: Grass-types such as Amoonguss and Rotom-C are immune to Leech Seed and don't mind Will-O-Wisp. Amoonguss can also fire back with Sludge Bomb, making it one of the best counters to Gourgeist-S.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types such as Delphox, Emboar, and Moltres are immune to Will-O-Wisp and can defeat Gourgeist-S with a super effective STAB attack. Leech Seed in combination with Substitute and either Phantom Force or Protect can do a number ton them, however.

**Fast Special Attackers**: Most fast special attackers can switch into a Will-O-Wisp or Leech Seed with relative ease and retaliate with a special attack.

**Bulky Taunt Users**: Bulky Pokemon with Taunt such as Drapion and Skuntank can Taunt Gourgeist-S and render it near useless. However, they don't like being burned.

**Sound Moves**: Sound moves such as Exploud's Boomburst and Accelgor's Bug Buzz go through Substitute, which means that they can easily deal with Gourgeist-S.

**Status**: Toxic damage can prevent Gourgeist-S from stalling out its opponent effectively. Toxic Spikes is a great way to inflict poison, as Gourgeist-S can't avoid it with Substitute like it can with Toxic.

**Magic Guard**: Pokemon with Magic Guard such as Reuniclus and Sigilyph take no damage from Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp. They can also take a Phantom Force and KO Gourgeist-S back.

 

[LightningLuxray]

Amcheck

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Overview
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Gourgeist-S's niche in RU comes from its very good Speed stat, which, in combination with its access to Will-O-Wisp and Leech Seed, allow it to Substitute stall easily. It also has a nice Defense stat even without investment, as well as a helpful defensive typing that resists Ground-, Grass-, and Water-type attacks and is immune to Fighting-type attacks, meaning that it doesn't have any trouble switching in and taking attacks. Unfortunately, most fast special attackers have no trouble beating it, or at the very least forcing it out, which means that it can have trouble against certain teams. Gourgeist-S is also completely reliant on residual damage to be effective; as such, things like Taunt and Magic Guard completely shut it down. Finally, a weakness to Knock Off really hampers its ability to switch into Fighting-types, which it would otherwise beat.

SubSeed
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name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Will-O-Wisp
move 4: Protect / Phantom Force
ability: Frisk
item: Leftovers
evs: 152 HP / 132 Def / 224 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
========

Substitute is used to allow Gourgeist-S to avoid incoming attacks and stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage. Leech Seed can heal off most of the damage from Substitute when used with Leftovers and also wears down the opponent. Will-O-Wisp is used not only to cripple physical attackers, but also to wear down the opponent even more in combination with Leech Seed. Protect is used to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage without having to take a hit like Gourgeist-S would with Phantom Force. Protec, but does, however, leaves Gourgeist-S very vulnerable to Taunt. Phantom Force can be used in the last slot to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage while also making sure that Gourgeist-S isn't complete Taunt bait. However, it gives Normal-type Pokemon a free switch-in, most notably Exploud, a free switch-in. Seed Bomb is an option, though it does pitiful amounts of damage to Grass-types, which are immune to Leech Seed and the Fire-types, which are immune to Will-O-Wisp. Additionally, Seed Bomb doesn't have the ability to stall for Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp damage.

Set Details
========

The EV spread with a positive Speed nature allows Gourgeist-S to outspeed max Speed base 95 Speed Pokemon such as Drapion in order to use Will-O-Wisp, Leech Seed, or Substitute against them. The given HP EVs allow Gourgeist-S to maximizestrike a balance between Leech Seed recovery and maintaining bulk, with the rest of the EVs added to Defense to better take physical hits. Jolly is preferred if Phantom Force is being used; otherwise, a Timid nature and a 0 Attack IV is preferred to reduce Foul Play and confusion damage. Frisk is the ability of choice, as it lets Gourgeist-S scout the opponent's item. Leftovers is a necessity, as in combination with Leech Seed, it heals off much of the damage caused by Substitute.

Usage Tips
========

Try to bring Gourgeist-S in on a slow Ground-, Water-, or Fighting-type that can't hurt it and set up a Substitute. From there, use the combination of Substitute, Leech Seed, Will-O-Wisp, and Protect or Phantom Force to slowly whittle away at the opponent's health. It's important to avoid Knock Off at all costs, as Leftovers recovery is a big part of what makes Gourgeist-S successful.

Team Options
========

Toxic Spikes support is amazing, as Gourgeist-S can stall entire teams with Leech Seed in combination with Toxic Spikes. Drapion not only sets up Toxic Spikes but can also take the Dark- and Ghost-type moves that Gourgeist-S hates.: Weezing and Roselia care other Pokemon that canalso use Toxic Spikes. With no reliable recovery move, Gourgeist-S greatly appreciates Wish support. Alomomola and Aromatisse are two of the best Wish passers in the tier and also pair really well with Gourgeist-S: the former takes Fire- and Ice-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while the latter can take Dark-type attacks with ease. Rhyperior is great at absorbing Fire- and Flying-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while Gourgeist-S can take Water- and Grass-type moves for Rhyperior. Qwilfish has good synergy with Gourgeist-S, as it takes Fire- and Ice-type attacks for Gourgeist-S, while Gourgeist-S can take Ground- and Electric-type attacks for Qwilfish in return. Qwilfish can also set up Spikes to further wear down the opponent. Because Grass- and Fire-types are immune to Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp, respectively, Pokemon that can deal with these types make for good partners. Slowking counters most Fire-types and also has a super effective STAB move to beat Amoonguss. Slowking's Fi, and can even lure Blast also in and smakes other Grass-types withink twice befo Fire Blaswitching in. Golbat 4x resists Grass-type moves and can retaliate back with Brave Bird. It can also clear entry hazards via Defog, helping to extend Gourgeist-S's lifespan.

Other Options
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Pain Split can be used for healing, though it's unreliable and Leech Seed tends to do a better job of healing. Rock Slide can be used to hit the Fire-, Ice-, and Flying-types which tend to pester Gourgeist-S, though it isn't very strong. Shadow Sneak can be used as a priority attack, though it's extremely weak. Finally, Toxic can be used to wear down the opponent more easily, though Will-O-Wisp's ability to cripple physical attackers is usually preferred.

Checks & Counters
########

**Grass-types**: Grass-types such as Amoonguss and Rotom-C are immune to Leech Seed and don't mind Will-O-Wisp. Amoonguss can also fire back with Sludge Bomb, making it one of the best counters to Gourgeist-S.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types such as Delphox, Emboar, and Moltres are immune to Will-O-Wisp and can defeat Gourgeist-S with a super effective STAB attack. Leech Seed in combination with Substitute and either Phantom Force or Protect can do a number ton them, however.

**Fast Special Attackers**: Most fast special attackers can switch into a Will-O-Wisp or Leech Seed with relative ease and retaliate with a special attack.

**Bulky Taunt Users**: Bulky Pokemon with Taunt such as Drapion and Skuntank can Taunt Gourgeist-S and render it near useless. However, they don't like being burned.

**Sound Moves**: Sound moves such as Exploud's Boomburst and Accelgor's Bug Buzz go through Substitute, which means that they can easily deal with Gourgeist-S.

**Status**: Toxic damage can prevent Gourgeist-S from stalling out its opponent effectively. Toxic Spikes is a great way to inflict poison, as Gourgeist-S can't avoid it with Substitute like it can with Toxic.

**Magic Guard**: Pokemon with Magic Guard such as Reuniclus and Sigilyph take no damage from Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp. They can also take a Phantom Force and KO Gourgeist-S back.

Implemented, thank you.

On a side note, things like "Slowking's Fi, and can even lureBlast also in and smakes other Grass-types withink twice befo Fire Blaswitching in." were really hard to read.... don't do that anymore imo :]

 

[tehy]

So i was going to give comments... here they are i guess

Sorry, the app i use does that.

Btw, what the hell is Spirit talking about? First slash timid 0 atk iv, spiritomb dont care about braking subs infiltrator. Ofc he is a bad matchup, but in case you gotta, why not? Explain in set details about phant nature if you gotta...

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Beating it=forcing it out pretty much. Likewise, what is like taunt or magic guard? Xatu? I guess maybe include that?

0 hp evs "maximizes" leech seed recovery. Obviously 152 increases it and does something else, maybe...explain?

If you're doing -atk nature be a man and 0 atk iv?

Rose and drap also absorb tspikes and drap beats clus and kinda sigi.

Slowking warding off grasses, who cares. Luring and toasting, fuk yea.

Leech seed is also something fast special attackers can take.

Why isnt magic guard first? Its the hardest counter really.

 

[phantom]

Btw, what the hell is Spirit talking about?

Try to be a little less crass when you make comments, thanks. First off, regardless of STAB, Foul Play from just about anything still breaks its Substitute, even with a -atk nature + 0 Atk IVs, the Sub has a very little chance to withstand the impact. Second, we don't do 0 Atk IVs in analysis, it's up to the reader to do that on their own, similar to Speed creep. And lastly, it's pretty much better to only list a Jolly nature on this thing and have Timid in set details with a little footnote mentioning when to use it, as an attack is given the primary slash of course and helps beat/scare off/pressure some variants of Magic Guard Reuniclus and Sigilyph, the supposed "hardest counter" you went on about.

0 Atk Gourgeist-Small Phantom Force vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Sigilyph: 204-242 (71.3 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 Atk Gourgeist-Small Phantom Force vs. 192 HP / 64 Def Reuniclus: 200-236 (48.8 - 57.7%) -- 94.9% chance to 2HKO

As a QC member, I think these particular comments of yours are bit unnecessary and the analysis in its state is fine.

 

[tehy]

Try to be a little less crass when you make comments, thanks. First off, regardless of STAB, Foul Play from just about anything still breaks its Substitute, even with a -atk nature + 0 Atk IVs, the Sub has a very little chance to withstand the impact.

Ah, they all break the sub! I guess that means they might hit you unsubbed! Guess we might wanna, you know, take less damage from that.

0 Atk Abomasnow Foul Play vs. 152 HP / 136 Def Gourgeist-Small: 68-82 (23.5 - 28.3%) -- 90.7% chance to 4HKO
(68, 70, 70, 72, 72, 72, 74, 74, 76, 76, 76, 78, 78, 80, 80, 82)

0 Atk burned Sableye Foul Play vs. 152 HP / 136 Def Gourgeist-Small: 67-81 (23.1 - 28%) -- 82.1% chance to 4HKO
(67, 69, 69, 70, 72, 72, 73, 73, 75, 75, 76, 76, 78, 78, 79, 81)
Versus
0 Atk burned Sableye Foul Play vs. 152 HP / 136 Def Gourgeist-Small: 51-61 (17.6 - 21.1%) -- possible 5HKO
(51, 52, 52, 54, 54, 54, 55, 55, 57, 57, 57, 58, 58, 60, 60, 61)

Holy shit, even by your narrow-minded definition of mattering(sub is always up), you're wrong?

And infiltrator says hi once again.

Second, we don't do 0 Atk IVs in analysis, it's up to the reader to do that on their own, similar to Speed creep.

Er...what? Speed creep isnt listed because everyone just auto-creeps that spread, so it just ups the ante. 0 atk ivs has no such property. If not listing it is current smogon policy fine, thats another can of worms.

and helps beat/scare off/pressure some variants of Magic Guard Reuniclus and Sigilyph, the supposed "hardest counter" you went on about.

0 Atk Gourgeist-Small Phantom Force vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Sigilyph: 204-242 (71.3 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 Atk Gourgeist-Small Phantom Force vs. 192 HP / 64 Def Reuniclus: 200-236 (48.8 - 57.7%) -- 94.9% chance to 2HKO

Nice job leaving cmclus out of that. Btw those are hard counters at full hp since magic guard, plus you can only hit them with a second-slashed charge move attack anyhow?

As long as sigi is above 50% health as it comes in, it can roost, then roost again. You can only beat it by spamming phantom and hoping for a crit, since it can either roost or OHKO you. Only by super predicts or lots of prior damage do you win.

And clus takes it and oneshots.

As a QC member, I think these particular comments of yours are bit unnecessary and the analysis in its state is fine.[/quote]

You're welcome to that opinion and i invite you to debate with me for as long as you wish, both here and in pm/vm. Though if you do that, please be more civil, since some of your last pms were quite 'crass'.

Oh yeah,

the supposed "hardest counter" you went on about.

"Why isnt magic guard first? Its the hardest counter really."

Careful, your salt is showing.

 

[phantom]

tehy

Dude, calm down lol.

All I'm saying is A) we don't do the 0 Atk IV thing in analysis; otherwise, we'd do them for all Pokemon that they were applicable for, and there are quite a few of those. Even if that weren't the case, they do still break the Substitute a great majority of the time where having to list those things would be irrelevant anyway, a further point to back up this call if you want to continue to want to argue something that's out of my hands. And I'm not sure where you got those calcs from, but they're incorrect.

0 Atk Stunfisk Foul Play vs. 152 HP / 132 Def Gourgeist-Small: 70-84 (24.2 - 29%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

This is with Gourgeist-S going up an unstabbed Foul Play while itself is using a -Atk nature and 0 Atk IVs. I'm not sure how you calced and got 23% or 17% because that's wrong. The only thing that really changes is if Gourgeist burns the target, and at that point, you don't need 0 Atk IVs and a -Atk nature to keep the Substitute intact, unless it's STABed, but this also goes to another point: are the amount of Pokemon that use Foul Play in RU relevant enough for this? There aren't all that many Pokemon that use the move, even your calcs factor in Pokemon from other tiers as do mine lol. The only STAB Foul Play user in RU is Spiritomb, and you lose to Spritomb, so really the 0 Atk IV thing just gets more irrelevant. The only other one I can think of is Amoonguss, which easily beats you without an attacking move anyway. :|

As for CmReun, I left it out because notice I said a special keyword, "some" . I acknowledge that variant does win. Furthermore, I don't think you really get the point of the attack even when I explained. Helping pressure both of these Pokemon, by forcing Sigilyph to Roost and putting Reuniclus in 2HKO range allows Gourgeist to either A) go for the attack and potentially get the KO in the case of Reuniclus or B) freely switch out to a teammate to deal with Sigilyph without having the teammate take any damage (this is just one of those uses, on top of speeding up the leech seed stalling). Lastly, I don't really understand why you're throwing out insults and then calling me salty when I'm trying to clarify something. Anyway, if you could tone it down a bit if you want to continue to debate this, that would be nice.

 

[LightningLuxray]

can we stop please lol. Spirit's already pointed out that it doesn't matter, if it ever does someone can just go on SMCS and edit it.

 

[Punchshroom]

Bro, you still did not mention Rock Slide's flinch chance.

 

[LightningLuxray]

Not really that big of a deal but added anyways lol