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Groudon Offensive Stealth Rock

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  1. gookie

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    [SET]
    name: Offensive Stealth Rock
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Fire Punch
    move 4: Dragon Claw / Stone Edge
    item: Life Orb / Earth Plate
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set chooses to forgo the common Groudon ideals of supporting, tanking, and boosting; instead, it chooses to become an offensive lead capable of beating all users of Rapid Spin and the all-too-common lead Dialga. This set is also a nasty surprise for physically defensive Kyogre, which likes to switch in on support Groudon, 2HKOing it without fail; Chansey, who is capable of walling the support set, cannot take two Earthquakes from this beast.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock is that all-important hazard that every team requires, and this set excels at setting it up after tearing some serious holes in the opposition. Earthquake is the obligatory STAB move, and Groudon actually possesses the strongest one in the game! Fire Punch allows Groudon to OHKO Ferrothorn and Forretress (provided Sturdy isn't active), and also deals heavy damage to Skarmory. Stone Edge paired with Earthquake provides almost impeccable neutral coverage, and is also capable of 2HKOing Pressure Lugia provided Groudon is using a Life Orb. Dragon Claw hits Giratina-O, Latias, and Latios hard, OHKOing the latter two and doing over 60% to the former, provided a Life Orb is used.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>This set's EVs eschew Groudon's great physical bulk, and instead are poured into Attack and Speed to maximize its offensive presence. However, when running a Jolly nature, 96 EVs can be moved from Speed into HP to give Groudon a bit of extra bulk; this spread outspeeds Mixed Dancer Rayquaza and all neutral-natured base 90 Speed Pokemon.</p>

    <p>A Life Orb is the preferred item to give a solid boost to all of Groudon's attacks, and is needed in order to 2HKO Lugia with Stone Edge and Giratina-O with Dragon Claw. However, Earth Plate is usable when running an Adamant nature, as it nabs the OHKO on support Dialga with Earthquake and bluffs a Choice Band set. Keep in mind Earth Plate should not be used with a Jolly nature, as Groudon can fail to OHKO 252 HP Dialga with Earthquake if it is not running an Adamant nature.</p>

    <p>Froslass makes a good teammate for this set, as the Spikes that it sets up can be kept on the field thanks to Groudon's ability to outspeed and OHKO all spinners under the sunlight. Ironically, the Pokemon that this very set aims to beat is also an excellent teammate; Dialga switches into Giratina, Lugia, Grass Arceus, and Choice Scarf Kyogre relatively easily, and is capable of scaring all of them out with its powerful attacks. Chansey and Blissey also synergize well with Groudon, sponging special attacks coming from Shaymin-S, Mewtwo, Kyurem-W, and Darkrai, all of which outspeed Groudon and can either OHKO or incapacitate it.</p>

    <p>Groudon can choose to run Thunder Wave or Toxic over one of its coverage moves, but it is usually better off attacking. Swords Dance can also be run in the same slot, as it allows Groudon to pack some serious punch behind its attacks.</p>

    <p>Opposing support Groudon and Hippowdon are only 3HKOed by Life Orb Earthquake, so the former can set up Stealth Rock and then switch out while the latter can set up Stealth Rock and sandstorm, recover lost HP with Slack Off, and then phaze Groudon out whenever it pleases. Grass Arceus resists Earthquake and isn't even close to being OHKOed by Fire Punch, and can OHKO Groudon in return with its STAB Judgment or Grass Knot. A physically defensive Giratina isn't 2HKOed by Life Orb Dragon Claw and can phaze or burn Groudon with Will-O-Wisp in return. A fast Lugia with Reflect won't be 2HKOed by Stone Edge, and can Ice Beam or Toxic Groudon to wear it down. Any super effective special attack or strong Draco Meteor will immediately obliterate this set, so play to this set's Speed investment and don't let Groudon take hits it doesn't have to.</p>
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    Lol Poppy you are really in a roll aren't you? And pls stop posting my whole team in analyses (the team is based in your ideas anyway), will ya? :D

    I was just thinking today to make this set, as it is a very good hazards setter that murders all spinners, provides sunlight, hits hard with good coverage and has a big surprise value too.

    Another option that could be mentioned is going mixed with Fire Blast, if only for the ability to deal huge damage to Gliscor and prevent him from becoming a pain in the ass for your team (he is for me). With a neutral nature, 252 SpA evs and LO, you do 76.27 - 89.83% to Gliscor, and always OHKO any Skarmory variant. 0 Atk Adamant still hits hard as fuck, doing 92.57 - 109.9% to 252 HP Dialga, and 46.4 - 55.08% to 88 HP Arceus, both ohkoes after SR. Oh and Fire Blast works well with Dragon Claw, as without Stone Edge you can't 2hko 252/252+ Xatu and you deal ~93% damage with Fire Blast.

    If you think it is worth it, put it in AC, or else just ignore me...

    Oh and if you don't include my suggestion, i propose you make Stone Edge the first slash on the last slot, because Xatu will be a pain otherwise, and setting up SR is one of Groudon's main duties, so it should do that reliably.

    EDIT: I forgot to mention that with Fire Blast you always 2hko any Groudon you will face, and have a small chance to 2hko physically defensive Hippo in sand after SR (16%).
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    BOSS SET. Venusaur actually really appreciates these wallbreaking supports, so it, along with Victreebell and Shiftry should be mentioned. You should also emphasize the surprise factor this set has.


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    Still needs LO to stand a chance of 2HKOing Lugia. Used this set earlier way back in mid BW and it was good.

    Xatu still takes a lot from Fire Punch and you outspeed it anyway. Stone Edge is really only important to stand a chance of taking out Lugia and OHKO all Ho-Oh variants. You can easily survive LO Brave Bird on the switch and OHKO back. Opposing Groudon does not enjoy repeated LO Earthquakes so you can potentially 3HKO it first before they KO you.

    Jolly has an advantage of outspeeding and check Adamant SD Rayquaza, Modest Kyurem-W and smash Jolly Excadrill. Mention Hammer Arm somewhere because it slams Arceus super hard, potentially OHKO with a little prior damage such as SR.

    Swords Dance deserves mention actually. You can put it in AC and drop Dragon Claw. +2 Adamant Earthquake OHKOes Forretress so that's hardly an issue. Bulky Kyogre love to switch in only to be OHKOed by +2 Earthquake. Giratina-O hates +2 LO Stone Edge too.

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    I say move LO to primary slash over Earth Plate. The ability to get an assured OHKO on Support Dialga is too good to pass over. LO also gives a lot of punch to your overall attacks instead of just a buff to your EQ. Most of the times I used it, the opponent switched to a Giratina-O only to eat a Dragon Claw in the face. 0/0 Giratina-O takes 62.6% - 73.9% from LO Dragon Claw while without LO you do 48.5% - 57.1%. I'd like the extra damage any day over a measly 10%HP loss. This Groudon isnt meant to wall stuff anyway. Good shit

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    Since I personally hate the mechanic known as Speed ties, I dislike running Jolly when I know even with Jolly some mons will STILL outspeed me mostly and kill me off but I dont really mind. TBH, I'd say just take a pick. Mention the natures in any order and mention in AC that Jolly -> LO -> Speedy but loses slight power and Adamant -> LO / Earth Plate -> Slow but strong. Mention that the reader should pick the spread which he feels appropriate for his team imo.
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    Just leave Adamant as the main slash. Most things that switch in on Groudon will be 1) slower anyway regardless of nature 2) outspeed you but frailer

    Defensive Kyogre still underspeeds you while Scarf ones will outrun and OHKO you regardless of EVs. Giratina-O runs little Speed these days and Adamant Dragon Claw does quite a bit more than Jolly to bulkier versions. The extra power can be significant when you are using Life Orb.

    Min Speed Lugia will underspeed both Adamant or Jolly Groudon with max investment but faster Lugia variants run enough for at least Garchomp so the nature is pretty insignificant. Adamant usually works better against Lugia.

    That said, keep Jolly slashed in. It can surprise someone to outspeed and take out neutral nature Rayquaza.
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    [SET]
    name: Offensive Stealth Rock
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Fire Punch
    move 4: Dragon Claw / Stone Edge
    item: Life Orb / Earth Plate
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
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    <p>This set chooses to forgo the common Groudon ideals of supporting, tanking,(comma) and boosting; instead, it chooses to become an offensive lead capable of beating all users of Rapid Spin and the all-too-common lead Dialga. This Groudon is also a nasty surprise for Pphysically Ddefensive Kyogre,(comma) who likes to switch in on support Groudon, 2HKOing itas it 2HKOes Kyogre without fail; Chansey, who is capable of walling the support set, cannot take two Earthquakes from this beast.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock is the all-important hazard, and this set excels at setting it up after tearing some serious holes in the opposition, or simply on a predicted switch. Earthquake is the obligatory STAB move, and Groudon actually possesses the strongest one in the game! Fire Punch allows Groudon to OHKO Ferrothorn and Forretress (provided Sturdy isn't active), and also deals heavy damage to Skarmory. Stone Edge paired with Earthquake provides almost impeccable neutral coverage, and is also capable of 2HKOing Pressure Lugia provided Groudon is using a Life Orb. Dragon Claw hits Giratina-O, Latias,(comma) and Latios hard, OHKOing the latter two and doing over 60% to the former, provided a Life Orb is used.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
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    <p>This set's EVs eschew Groudon's great Pphysical bulk,(comma) and instead are all poured into Attack and Speed to maximize its offensive presence. However, when running a Jolly nature, 96 EVs can be moved into HP from Speed into HP to give Groudon a bit of extra bulk,;(semicolon) this spread outspeeds Mixed Dancer Rayquaza and all neutral-natured base 90s Speed Pokemon.</p>

    <p>A Life Orb is the preferred item to give a solid boost to all of Groudon's attacks, and is needed for thein order to 2HKO on Lugia with Stone Edge and Giratina-O with Dragon Claw. However, Earth Plate is usable when running an Adamant nature, as it still nabs the OHKO on support Dialga with Earthquake, and can bluffs a Choice Band set. However,Keep in mind that Earth Plate should not be used with a Jolly natured, as thatGroudon can fail to OHKO support Dialga with Earthquake.</p>

    <p>Froslass makes a good team mateteammate for this set, as the Spikes that it sets up can be kept down byon the field due to Groudon's ability to outspeed and OHKO all Rapid Sspinners under Sthe sun. Ironically, the Pokemon that this very set aims to beat is also an excellent team mate. teammate;(semicolon) Dialga switches into Giratina, Lugia, Grass Arceus,(comma) and Choice Scarf Kyogre relatively safeeasily, and is capable of scaring all of them out with its powerful attacks. Chansey and Blissey can also sponge Sspecial Aattacks coming from Shaymin-S, Mewtwo, Kyurem-W,(comma) and Darkrai who stiall outspeed and can either OHKO or incapacitate Groudon.</p>

    <p>Groudon can choose to run Thunder Wave or Toxic over one of its coverage moves, but it is usually you're better off attacking. Swords Dance can also be runused in the same slot, as it will allowing Groudon to be pack some serious punch behind its attacks.</p>

    <p>Opposing support Groudon and Hippowdon are only 3HKOed by Life Orb Earthquake,(comma) so the former can set up Stealth Rock and then switch out,(remove comma) while the latter can set up Stealth Rock and Sandstorm, recover lost HP with Slack Off, and then phaze youGroudon out whenever it pleases.</p>
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    I know i am a bit late, but you should also add D-Tail to AC. It is very useful for racking up entry hazards damage while still hitting Lati@s and Giratina-0 very hard on the switch. It also prevents you from being set-up bait for any WoW CM Arceus.
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    I don't know of any arceus that run WoW + cm...

    In any case, why phaze lati@s on the switch and give them a chance to recover when you can ohko them with dclaw? Pretty much the same minus recovery and ohko with tina-o; I would rather do more damage and defeat those that stay in.
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    Steel Arceus commonly uses WoW + Calm Mind, though it has been known to use Roar instead of WoW.
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    [SET]
    name: Offensive Stealth Rock
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Fire Punch
    move 4: Dragon Claw / Stone Edge
    item: Life Orb / Earth Plate
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set chooses to forgo the common Groudon ideals of supporting, tanking, and boosting; instead, it chooses to become an offensive lead capable of beating all users of Rapid Spin and the all-too-common lead Dialga. This set is also a nasty surprise for physically defensive Kyogre, Comma which likes to switch in on support Groudon, 2HKOing it without fail; Chansey, who is capable of walling the support set, cannot take two Earthquakes from this beast.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock is the all-important hazard, and this set excels at setting it up after tearing some serious holes in the opposition. Earthquake is the obligatory STAB move, and Groudon actually possesses the strongest one in the game! Fire Punch allows Groudon to OHKO Ferrothorn and Forretress (provided Sturdy isn't active), and also deals heavy damage to Skarmory. Stone Edge paired with Earthquake provides almost impeccable neutral coverage, and is also capable of 2HKOing Pressure Lugia provided Groudon is using a Life Orb. Dragon Claw hits Giratina-O, Latias, and Latios hard, OHKOing the latter two and doing over 60% to the former, provided a Life Orb is used.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>This set's EVs eschew Groudon's great physical bulk, and instead are poured into Attack and Speed to maximize its offensive presence. However, when running a Jolly nature, 96 EVs can be moved from Speed into HP to give Groudon a bit of extra bulk; this spread outspeeds Mixed Dancer Rayquaza and all neutral-natured base 90 Speed Pokemon.</p>

    <p>A Life Orb is the preferred item to give a solid boost to all of Groudon's attacks, and is needed in order to 2HKO Lugia with Stone Edge and Giratina-O with Dragon Claw. However, Earth Plate is usable when running an Adamant nature, as it nabs the OHKO on support Dialga with Earthquake and bluffs a Choice Band set. Keep in mind Earth Plate should not be used with a Jolly nature, as Groudon can fail to OHKO support Dialga with Earthquake.</p>

    <p>Froslass makes a good teammate for this set, as the Spikes that it sets up can be kept on the field due to Groudon's ability to outspeed and OHKO all spinners under the sun. Ironically, the Pokemon that this very set aims to beat is are also an excellent teammates; Dialga switches into Giratina, Lugia, Grass Arceus, and Choice Scarf Kyogre relatively easily, and is capable of scaring all of them out with its powerful attacks. Chansey and Blissey can also sponge Special Attacks coming from Shaymin-S, Mewtwo, Kyurem-W, and Darkrai who all outspeed and can either OHKO or incapacitate Groudon.</p>

    <p>Groudon can choose to run Thunder Wave or Toxic over one of its coverage moves, but it is usually better off attacking. Swords Dance can also be run in the same slot, as it allows Groudon to pack some serious punch behind its attacks.</p>

    <p>Opposing support Groudon and Hippowdon are only 3HKOed by Life Orb Earthquake, so the former can set up Stealth Rock and then switch out while the latter can set up Stealth Rock and Sandstorm, recover lost HP with Slack Off, and then phaze Groudon out whenever it pleases.</p>
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    [SET]
    name: Offensive Stealth Rock
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Fire Punch
    move 4: Dragon Claw / Stone Edge
    item: Life Orb / Earth Plate
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set chooses to forgo the common Groudon-esque ideals of supporting, tanking, and boosting; instead, it chooses to become an offensive lead capable of beating all users of Rapid Spin and the all-too-common lead Dialga. This set is also a nasty surprise for physically defensive Kyogre, which likes to switch in on support Groudon, 2HKOing it without fail; Chansey, who is capable of walling the support set, cannot take two Earthquakes from this beast.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock is the all-important hazard, and this set excels at setting it up after tearing some serious holes in the opposition. Earthquake is the obligatory STAB move, and Groudon actually possesses the strongest one in the game! Fire Punch allows Groudon to OHKO Ferrothorn and Forretress (provided Sturdy isn't active), and also deals heavy damage to Skarmory. Stone Edge paired with Earthquake provides almost impeccable neutral coverage, and is also capable of 2HKOing Pressure Lugia provided Groudon is using a Life Orb. Dragon Claw hits Giratina-O, Latias, and Latios hard, OHKOing the latter two and doing over 60% to the former, provided a Life Orb is used.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>This set's EVs eschew Groudon's great physical bulk, and instead are poured into Attack and Speed to maximize its offensive presence. However, when running a Jolly nature, 96 EVs can be moved from Speed into HP to give Groudon a bit of extra bulk; this spread outspeeds Mixed Dancer Rayquaza and all neutral-natured base 90 Speed Pokemon.</p>

    <p>A Life Orb is the preferred item to give a solid boost to all of Groudon's attacks, and is needed in order to 2HKO Lugia with Stone Edge and Giratina-O with Dragon Claw. However, Earth Plate is usable when running an Adamant nature, as it nabs the OHKO on support Dialga with Earthquake and bluffs a Choice Band set. Keep in mind Earth Plate should not be used with a Jolly nature, as Groudon can fail to OHKO 252 HP Dialga with Earthquake.</p>

    <p>Froslass makes a good teammate for this set, as the Spikes that it sets up can be kept on the field due to Groudon's ability to outspeed and OHKO all spinners under the sunlight. Ironically, the Pokemon that this very set aims to beat is also an excellent teammate; Dialga switches into Giratina, Lugia, Grass Arceus, and Choice Scarf Kyogre relatively easily, and is capable of scaring all of them out with its powerful attacks. Chansey and Blissey also synergize well with Groudon, sponging special attacks coming from Shaymin-S, Mewtwo, Kyurem-W, and Darkrai which all outspeed Groudon and can either OHKO or incapacitate it.</p>

    <p>Groudon can choose to run Thunder Wave or Toxic over one of its coverage moves, but it is usually better off attacking. Swords Dance can also be runused in the same slot, as it allows Groudon to pack some serious punch behind its attacks.</p>

    <p>Opposing support Groudon and Hippowdon are only 3HKOed by Life Orb Earthquake, so the former can set up Stealth Rock and then switch out while the latter can set up Stealth Rock and sandstorm, recover lost HP with Slack Off, and then phaze Groudon out whenever it pleases.</p>
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    [SET]
    name: Offensive Stealth Rock
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Fire Punch
    move 4: Dragon Claw / Stone Edge
    item: Life Orb / Earth Plate
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set chooses to forgo the Groudon-esque ideals of supporting, tanking, and boosting; instead, it chooses to become an offensive lead capable of beating all users of Rapid Spin and the all-too-common lead Dialga. This set is also a nasty surprise for physically defensive Kyogre, which likes to switch in on support Groudon, 2HKOing it without fail; Chansey, who is capable of walling the support set, cannot take two Earthquakes from this beast.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock is that all-important hazard that every team requires, and this set excels at setting it up after tearing some serious holes in the opposition. Earthquake is the obligatory STAB move, and Groudon actually possesses the strongest one in the game! Fire Punch allows Groudon to OHKO Ferrothorn and Forretress (provided Sturdy isn't active), and also deals heavy damage to Skarmory. Stone Edge paired with Earthquake provides almost impeccable neutral coverage, and is also capable of 2HKOing Pressure Lugia provided Groudon is using a Life Orb. Dragon Claw hits Giratina-O, Latias, and Latios hard, OHKOing the latter two and doing over 60% to the former, provided a Life Orb is used.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>This set's EVs eschew Groudon's great physical bulk, and instead are poured into Attack and Speed to maximize its offensive presence. However, when running a Jolly nature, 96 EVs can be moved from Speed into HP to give Groudon a bit of extra bulk; this spread outspeeds Mixed Dancer Rayquaza and all neutral-natured base 90 Speed Pokemon.</p>

    <p>A Life Orb is the preferred item to give a solid boost to all of Groudon's attacks, and is needed in order to 2HKO Lugia with Stone Edge and Giratina-O with Dragon Claw. However, Earth Plate is usable when running an Adamant nature, as it nabs the OHKO on support Dialga with Earthquake and bluffs a Choice Band set. Keep in mind Earth Plate should not be used with a Jolly nature, as without it Groudon isn't guaranteed to OHKO 252 HP Dialga with Earthquake.</p>

    <p>Froslass makes a good teammate for this set, as the Spikes that it sets up can be kept on the field thanks to Groudon's ability to outspeed and OHKO all spinners under the sunlight. Ironically, the Pokemon that this very set aims to beat is also an excellent teammate; Dialga switches into Giratina, Lugia, Grass Arceus, and Choice Scarf Kyogre relatively easily, and is capable of scaring all of them out with its powerful attacks. Chansey and Blissey also synergize well with Groudon, sponging special attacks coming from Shaymin-S, Mewtwo, Kyurem-W, and Darkrai, all of which outspeed Groudon and can either OHKO or incapacitate it.</p>

    <p>Groudon can choose to run Thunder Wave or Toxic over one of its coverage moves, but it is usually better off attacking. Swords Dance can also be run in the same slot, as it gives Groudon's attacks a lot more power.</p>

    <p>Opposing support Groudon and Hippowdon are only 3HKOed by Life Orb Earthquake, so the former can set up Stealth Rock and then switch out while the latter can set up Stealth Rock and sandstorm, recover lost HP with Slack Off, and then phaze Groudon out whenever it pleases.</p>


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    [SET]
    name: Offensive Stealth Rock
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Fire Punch
    move 4: Dragon Claw / Stone Edge
    item: Life Orb / Earth Plate
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set chooses to forgo the common Groudon ideals of supporting, tanking, and boosting; instead, it chooses to become an offensive lead capable of beating all users of Rapid Spin and the all-too-common lead Dialga. This set is also a nasty surprise for physically defensive Kyogre, which likes to switch in on support Groudon, 2HKOing it without fail; Chansey, who is capable of walling the support set, cannot take two Earthquakes from this beast.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock is that all-important hazard that every team requires, and this set excels at setting it up after tearing some serious holes in the opposition. Earthquake is the obligatory STAB move, and Groudon actually possesses the strongest one in the game! Fire Punch allows Groudon to OHKO Ferrothorn and Forretress (provided Sturdy isn't active), and also deals heavy damage to Skarmory. Stone Edge paired with Earthquake provides almost impeccable neutral coverage, and is also capable of 2HKOing Pressure Lugia provided Groudon is using a Life Orb. Dragon Claw hits Giratina-O, Latias, and Latios hard, OHKOing the latter two and doing over 60% to the former, provided a Life Orb is used.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>This set's EVs eschew Groudon's great physical bulk, and instead are poured into Attack and Speed to maximize its offensive presence. However, when running a Jolly nature, 96 EVs can be moved from Speed into HP to give Groudon a bit of extra bulk; this spread outspeeds Mixed Dancer Rayquaza and all neutral-natured base 90 Speed Pokemon.</p>

    <p>A Life Orb is the preferred item to give a solid boost to all of Groudon's attacks, and is needed in order to 2HKO Lugia with Stone Edge and Giratina-O with Dragon Claw. However, Earth Plate is usable when running an Adamant nature, as it nabs the OHKO on support Dialga with Earthquake and bluffs a Choice Band set. Keep in mind Earth Plate should not be used with a Jolly nature, as Groudon can fail to OHKO 252 HP Dialga with Earthquake if it is not running an Adamant nature.</p>

    <p>Froslass makes a good teammate for this set, as the Spikes that it sets up can be kept on the field thanks to Groudon's ability to outspeed and OHKO all spinners under the sunlight. Ironically, the Pokemon that this very set aims to beat is also an excellent teammate; Dialga switches into Giratina, Lugia, Grass Arceus, and Choice Scarf Kyogre relatively easily, and is capable of scaring all of them out with its powerful attacks. Chansey and Blissey also synergize well with Groudon, sponging special attacks coming from Shaymin-S, Mewtwo, Kyurem-W, and Darkrai, all of which outspeed Groudon and can either OHKO or incapacitate it.</p>

    <p>Groudon can choose to run Thunder Wave or Toxic over one of its coverage moves, but it is usually better off attacking. Swords Dance can also be run in the same slot, as it allows Groudon to pack some serious punch behind its attacks.</p>

    <p>Opposing support Groudon and Hippowdon are only 3HKOed by Life Orb Earthquake, so the former can set up Stealth Rock and then switch out while the latter can set up Stealth Rock and sandstorm, recover lost HP with Slack Off, and then phaze Groudon out whenever it pleases. Grass Arceus resists Earthquake and isn't even closed to being OHKOed by Fire Punch, and can OHKO Groudon in return with its STAB Judgment or Grass Knot. A physically defensive Giratina isn't 2HKOed by Life Orb Dragon Claw and can phaze or burn Groudin with Will-O-Wisp in return. A fast Lugia with Reflect won't be 2HKOed by Stone Edge, and can Ice Beam or Toxic Groudon to wear it down. Any super effective special attack or strong Draco Meteor will immediately obliterate this set, so play to this set's Speed investment and don't let Groudon take hits it can't.</p>


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    name: Offensive Stealth Rock
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Fire Punch
    move 4: Dragon Claw / Stone Edge
    item: Life Orb / Earth Plate
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set chooses to forgo the common Groudon ideals of supporting, tanking, and boosting; instead, it chooses to become an offensive lead capable of beating all users of Rapid Spin and the all-too-common lead (this doesn't need to be deleted) Dialga. This set is also a nasty surprise for physically defensive Kyogre, which likes to switch in on support Groudon, 2HKOing it without fail; Chansey, who is capable of walling the support set, cannot take two Earthquakes from this beast.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock is that all-important hazard that every team requires, and this set excels at setting it up after tearing some serious holes in the opposition. Earthquake is the obligatory STAB move, and Groudon actually possesses the strongest one in the game! Fire Punch allows Groudon to OHKO Ferrothorn and Forretress (provided Sturdy isn't active), and also deals heavy damage to Skarmory. Stone Edge paired with Earthquake provides almost impeccable neutral coverage, and is also capable of 2HKOing Pressure Lugia provided Groudon is using a Life Orb. Dragon Claw hits Giratina-O, Latias, and Latios hard, OHKOing the latter two and doing over 60% to the former, provided a Life Orb is used.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>This set's EVs eschew Groudon's great physical bulk, and instead are poured into Attack and Speed to maximize its offensive presence. However, when running a Jolly nature, 96 EVs can be moved from Speed into HP to give Groudon a bit of extra bulk; this spread outspeeds Mixed Dancer Rayquaza and all neutral-natured base 90 Speed Pokemon.</p>

    <p>A Life Orb is the preferred item to give a solid boost to all of Groudon's attacks, and is needed in order to 2HKO Lugia with Stone Edge and Giratina-O with Dragon Claw. However, Earth Plate is usable when running an Adamant nature, as it nabs the OHKO on support Dialga with Earthquake and bluffs a Choice Band set. Keep in mind Earth Plate should not be used with a Jolly nature, as Groudon can fail to OHKO 252 HP Dialga with Earthquake if it is not running an Adamant nature.</p>

    <p>Froslass makes a good teammate for this set, as the Spikes that it sets up can be kept on the field thanks to Groudon's ability to outspeed and OHKO all spinners under the sunlight. Ironically, the Pokemon that this very set aims to beat is also an excellent teammate; Dialga switches into Giratina, Lugia, Grass Arceus, and Choice Scarf Kyogre relatively easily, and is capable of scaring all of them out with its powerful attacks. Chansey and Blissey also synergize well with Groudon, sponging special attacks coming from Shaymin-S, Mewtwo, Kyurem-W, and Darkrai, all of which outspeed Groudon and can either OHKO or incapacitate it.</p>

    <p>Groudon can choose to run Thunder Wave or Toxic over one of its coverage moves, but it is usually better off attacking. Swords Dance can also be run in the same slot, as it allows Groudon to pack some serious punch behind its attacks.</p>

    <p>Opposing support Groudon and Hippowdon are only 3HKOed by Life Orb Earthquake, so the former can set up Stealth Rock and then switch out while the latter can set up Stealth Rock and sandstorm, recover lost HP with Slack Off, and then phaze Groudon out whenever it pleases. Grass Arceus resists Earthquake and isn't even close to being OHKOed by Fire Punch, and can OHKO Groudon in return with its STAB Judgment or Grass Knot. A physically defensive Giratina isn't 2HKOed by Life Orb Dragon Claw and can phaze or burn Groudin with Will-O-Wisp in return. A fast Lugia with Reflect won't be 2HKOed by Stone Edge, and can Ice Beam or Toxic Groudon to wear it down. Any super effective special attack or strong Draco Meteor will immediately obliterate this set, so play to this set's Speed investment and don't let Groudon take hits it doesn't have to.</p>


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