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Gyarados (Analysis)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by DropTheNuke, Dec 1, 2010.

  1. DropTheNuke

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    Gyarados

    [Overview]

    <p>While Gyarados received few new toys in BW,
    the sheer speed and power of BW's OU metagame will likely prevent Gyarados from taking a spot amongst the top 10 used Pokemon. An excellent offensive typing in Water combined with a massive 125 base attack, two excellent abilities in Intimidate and Moxie, and Dragon Dance make Gyarados a superb physical offensive threat. Unfortunately, the presence of incredibly fast threats like Chlorophyll abusers, Prankster abusers, Deoxys-S and Excadrill really put a damper on Gyarados's performance as a sweeper.</p>

    <p>More noteworthy in BW are Gyarados's solid 95 / 79 / 100 base defensive stats backed by Intimidate and excellent defensive typing. In a metagame saturated with Fighting attacks and Earthquake users, Gyarados finds a new niche as a formidable check to physical threats. Despite its fall in popularity as a sweeper, it remains a top-tier threat that makes a great addition to most teams.</p>

    [SET]

    name: RestTalk
    move 1: Rest
    move 2: Sleep Talk
    move 3: Waterfall
    move 4: Roar / Dragon Tail
    nature: Impish
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Intimidate
    evs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]


    <p>Excellent defensive typing, with key resistances to Fire-, Bug-, Ground-, Water-, Fighting- and Steel-type attacks, Intimidate, and decent 90 / 79 / 100 base defensive stats allow Gyarados to function as an excellent
    RestTalk user. Rest allows Gyarados to shrug off damage and status, while Sleep Talk prevents Gyarados from being dead weight while asleep. The ability to shed status conditions is a huge boon to Gyarados when taking on Gliscor, Jellicent, and Heatran. The substantial investment in bulk allows Gyarados to repeatedly check common threats like Heatran, Scrafty, and Scizor.</p>

    <p>Waterfall provides Gyarados with a reliable STAB move.
    Even without Attack investment, the STAB boost combined with Gyarados's innate offensive prowess will allow Waterfall to bring down frail sweepers and foes weak to Water. Roar and Dragon Tail both let Gyarados phaze opponents. Dragon Tail is useful since it is unaffected by Taunt and deals minor damage, but Roar is more reliable and deals with Substitute users.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]


    <p>The EV spread maximizes Gyarados’s physical bulk, while also allowing it to switch into Stealth Rock five times. An alternate EV spread of 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SpD with a Careful nature allows Gyarados to take special attacks more easily, while still allowing it to check physical threats like Lucario and Scizor.</p>


    <p>This set has problems with faster users of Electric-type attacks. Thundurus, Zapdos, Jolteon, and Rotom-W can all OHKO Gyarados with STAB Thunderbolt. Bulky Water-types such as Vaporeon are able to hit Gyarados with a super-effective Hidden Power Electric should they be allowed to switch in. Given its phazing potential, this Gyarados works best with entry hazard support.
    Ferrothorn is an excellent partner for Gyarados, able to set up Stealth Rock and Spikes, and to cover Gyarados’s weakness to Rock- and Electric-type attacks, while Gyarados covers Ferrothorn’s weakness to Fire- and Fighting-type attacks. Gyarados also appreciates teammates that can spin away Stealth Rock, such as Starmie and Excadrill.</p>

    [SET]

    name: Offensive Dragon Dance
    move 1: Dragon Dance
    move 2: Waterfall
    move 3: Stone Edge
    move 4: Earthquake / Bounce
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Moxie / Intimidate
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]


    <p>Excellent offensive stats backed by Dragon Dance and Water typing allow Gyarados to deal significant damage to unprepared teams. With a neutral nature, Gyarados hits 391 Speed after one Dragon Dance, allowing it to outspeed positive-natured foes with base 120 Speed. With Life Orb and one Dragon Dance, Gyarados hits incredibly hard with Waterfall. Stone Edge provides great coverage, allowing Gyarados to hit Flying-types such as Salamence, Dragonite, Zapdos, and opposing Gyarados hard. Earthquake gives Gyarados a shot at hitting Ferrothorn and Empoleon, while Bounce can be used to nail bulky Grass-types for super effective damage.</p>


    <p>Moxie is the preferred ability as it allows Gyarados to gain Attack boosts
    by defeating foes. Alternatively, Intimidate gives Gyarados more opportunities to switch in, notably against enemy Scizor.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]


    <p>A Jolly nature can be used to outspeed positive-natured base Speed 130 Pokemon after a Dragon Dance. Ice Fang can be used in lieu of Stone Edge to maintain the super effective hit against Flying-types, while smashing Grass- and Dragon-types for super effective damage.</p>


    <p>This set is primarily countered by bulky Water-types such as Vaporeon and Suicune, who take laughable damage from Stone Edge and can scare Gyarados away with super effective Hidden Power Electric or threaten it with a burn from Scald.
    Rotom-W is also a fantastic check with its resistance to Water, immunity to Ground, considerable bulk, and STAB Thunderbolt. Without Bounce, bulky Grass-types like Ferrothorn, Celebi, and Tangrowth can switch in and either Paralyze Gyarados or hit it with STAB Grass-type attacks. Porygon2, Dusclops, Skarmory, and Swampert can all avoid being 2HKOed by Gyarados without a Dragon Dance and either Status it, KO it, or phaze it away. Gyarados is also easily revenge killed by faster, Choice Scarf users such as Latios and Starmie. The best partners to this Gyarados are Pokemon that can take advantage of bulky Water- and Grass-type enemies. Once again, Ferrothorn is an excellent partner, being able to switch freely into Water-types and set up entry hazards or retaliate with Power Whip. Just be careful against enemies that may carry Hidden Power Fire as a nasty surprise, usually Water-types with considerable base Special Attack like Starmie and Rotom-W. Pursuit users like Tyranitar and Scizor are useful for trapping Choice Scarfed Latios, Latias and Starmie. Scizor can also be used to defeat Deoxys-S.</p>

    [SET]

    name: Bulky Dragon Dance
    move 1: Dragon Dance
    move 2: Waterfall
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Stone Edge / Bounce
    nature: Adamant
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Intimidate
    evs: 156 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]


    <p>This set trades immediate power and Speed for additional bulk, allowing Gyarados to set up on the likes of Scizor, Lucario, and Conkeldurr and procure several Dragon Dances before attempting a sweep. Taunt allows Gyarados to set up on Pokemon that normally give it trouble, such as Skarmory, and protects Gyarados from harmful status moves coming from Pokemon like Dusclops and Blissey. Waterfall provides Gyarados with a reliable STAB-move, and Stone Edge gives decent neutral coverage and the ability to hit Flying-types like Dragonite and Zapdos hard. Alternatively, Gyarados can opt to run Bounce over Stone Edge to get a super effective hit on most bulky Grass-types and a neutral hit on Ferrothorn.
    The turn used to Bounce also lets Gyarados gain additional Leftovers recovery.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread provides Gyarados with a
    n impressive blend of power and survivability. 156 HP EVs allow Gyarados to survive two Life Orb Fire Blasts from Heatran after Stealth Rock and 96 Defense EVs allow Gyarados to avoid a 2HKO from Quick Attack by Choice Band Scizor. 184 EVs in Speed allow Gyarados to outspeed positive-natured base 115s after a Dragon Dance. The rest of the EVs are put into Attack to increase Gyarados’s power. Alternatively, an EV spread of 152 HP / 168 Def / 188 Spe allows Gyarados to set up against strong physical sweepers like Conkeldurr more easily.</p>

    <p>This set works significantly better with Rapid Spin support
    , which can be provided by the excellent offensive partners Starmie and Excadrill are. Excadrill covers both of Gyarados's weaknesses, while Gyarados resists Excadrill's weaknesses to Fire-, Fighting-, Ground- and Water-type attacks. Once again, entry hazard support aids Gyarados immensely in sweeping. Ferrothorn is an excellent supplier of entry hazard support thanks to its type synergy with Gyarados. Like the offensive variant, Gyarados has trouble with bulky Water-types like Vaporeon, who can either burn Gyarados with Scald or severely damage it with Hidden Power Electric. Rotom-W completely counters this set due to Gyarados's lower Attack investment. Without Bounce, bulky Grass-types like Ferrothorn also make life difficult for Gyarados. Finally, Porygon2 remains a thorn in Gyarados's side, taking pitiful damage from Waterfall and threatening to bring Gyarados down with Electric-type attacks. Carrying Pokemon that can switch into these aforementioned threats, such as Ferrothorn for bulky Water-types, Heatran for bulky Grass-types, and bulky Fighting-types for Porygon-2 helps tremendously in aiding a Gyarados sweep.</p>


    [Other Options]


    <p>On either of the Dragon Dance sets,
    there are several potential alternative items. Wacan Berry can allow Gyarados to survive a strong Electric-type attack and hopefully get in another Dragon Dance. Similarly, Lum Berry can be used to cure an untimely status effect, particularly a burn from Scald.</p>

    <p>Aqua Tail can be used instead of Waterfall for a slight increase in power, but Waterfall’s perfect accuracy and chance to flinch the foe
    generally make it the superior option. Return is a viable coverage move, as the combination of Water and Normal is resisted only by Empoleon, Ferrothorn, Jellicent, and Shedinja in OU. Thunder Wave is a generally good move Gyarados can use, and lets it neuter checks that rely on Speed such as Rotom-W, Latios, and Latias.</p>

    <p>A Choice Band set with Waterfall, Payback, Stone Edge, and Earthquake allows Gyarados to hit extremely hard right off the bat, but
    its vulnerability to the common sources of residual damage, Sandstorm and Stealth Rock, really hinders its survivability. Similarly, Gyarados can opt to run a Choice Scarf set with Moxie, but this set usually best left to Salamence due to Salamence’s higher base Speed and Attack.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]


    <p>The best counter to Gyarados is Eviolite Porygon2. Porygon2 can Trace back Gyarados’s Intimidate, shrug off a Waterfall, and severely damage Gyarados with Discharge or Thunderbolt. Bulky Water-types like Vaporeon can also switch into Gyarados easily and either cripple it with a burn from Scald or threaten Gyarados with Hidden Power Electric. Without Bounce, Gyarados also has a difficult time getting past bulky Grass-types like Ferrothorn. Faster Pokemon carrying Electric-type attacks such as Starmie and Rotom-W are also huge threats to Gyarados. Rotom-W in particular is an effective answer to Gyarados since it resists Waterfall, Earthquake, and Bounce.
    Latios and Latias can similarly check Gyarados, and while they rarely carry Thunderbolt, their STAB Dragon-type attacks are still a huge threat to Gyarados.</p>

    <p>Gyarados is not a fan of residual damage. Offensive sets are limited in their ability to switch in due to Gyarados's weakness to Stealth Rock. Defensive sets have a harder time walling certain threats if Stealth Rock is present. Sandstorm also takes its toll on Gyarados,
    wearing it down or removing its Leftovers recovery.</p>
  2. BubaOReally?

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    No one ever mentions that Gyarados gets T-wave. it would work well on defensive set. Maybe you should slash it on the defensive set instead of roar or make a new set.
  3. Darkamber8828

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    On the second set, replace EQ with Bounce. Water/Ground is very meh coverage.

    Also, has overconfidence Gyara been released? If not, I don't think you can include it?
  4. DropTheNuke

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    According to this thread, Overconfidence has already been released. Will include mentions of Thunderwave and Aqua Tail in OC.
  5. Gehenna

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    I'm not sure if the whole Foretress w/ Volt Change thing is really a threat; most still carry payback for incoming Shandera, Burungeru, and Gengar. Plus, it's special.
  6. Aerodactyl Legend

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    I think a choice set using Overconfidence should be mentioned in OC. A Scarf especially could be a decent threat mid to late game after you gotten rid of those who can easily wall his core offensive moves. No actual set itself however.
  7. DropTheNuke

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    Reworded the Forretress bit and added Overconfidence Scarf in OC. I've never used it before though, so I would assume Scarf Mence would outclass it with Outrage.
  8. Aerodactyl Legend

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    Outrage is not compatible with Overconfidence unfortunately. Mence is faster though (Gyarados must use Jolly if you want to outrun Jolteon or Aerodactyl).
  9. Don Honchkrorleone

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    Isn't Wacan outclassed by Rechargeable Battery in OC? An immunity and a +1 in Atk for a turn seems better than a halved damage...
  10. Darkamber8828

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    No, because it doesn't give an immunity.
  11. Muse

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    Yeah, about that. Lanturn, Rotom-W, and Zekrom also resist the combo of Water-Flying.
  12. Forte.EXE

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    Zekrom is Uber, Lanturn is rarely/never seen in OU, so Rotom-W is the only Pokemon there that you'd really have to worry about.
  13. Aleva

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    Just so you know, Adamant +1 with 252 outspeeds Timid Shaymin-S. Shaymin gets 388 speed, Gyara gets 391.
  14. SOMALIA

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    You forgot to make a 'Counters' section.
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    Skymin is already outsped with an Adamant nature, and you won't outspeed Rotom-A with a Jolly nature.

    Setting up entry hazards will only guarantee that Gyara will get past Skarmory/Forry. Skarmory is better off phazing or Brave Birding. (+1 LO Adamant Gyara deals 46.7% - 55.1% to 252/240 Impish Skarm, which is an almost guaranteed 2HKO with SR and Leftovers taken into account). Forry is only a threat with Volt Change. You also shouldn't mention "physically-defensive Pokemon;" many of them are Ground-types who fail miserably against Gyara. You're better off just mentioning Forretress with Volt Change, and if Bounce is absent, Celebi, Shaymin, and Tangrowth.

    Also mention that Nattorei covers Gyara's Electric- and Rock-type weaknesses, whilst Gyara in return resists Nattorei's Fire- and Fighting-type weaknesses.

    Payback no longer hits for 100 base power on the switch. It's only good against Starmie on the switch now; Slowbro usually survives 50 base power Paybacks with SR on the field.


    Ice Fang should be mentioned in AC for Offensive Dragon Dance. Hits Dragon-types harder than Bounce, especially if they're Flying-type as well, whilst also hitting Grass- and Flying-types with near perfect accuracy, unlike Stone Edge and Bounce, and no 2 turn drawback.

    Return should be mentioned in OC because it has great neutral coverage with Waterfall without the downside of Bounce's 2 turn use and imperfect accuracy.
  16. DropTheNuke

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    Thanks for the help, everyone. Darkmalice, I've incorporated all of your advice into the skeleton.

    Do I need a counters section? I ctrl-v'd the format from the Zekrom thread, so most of the counters business is integrated in the sets themselves.
  17. SOMALIA

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    Yep you do, infact the Zekrom analysis has a pretty big counters section.
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    Payback doesn't do as much now because of the new mechanics. Payback now does NOT do double damage when the opponent switches in, if I am not mistaken.
  19. DropTheNuke

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    Apologies for the carelessness, a Counters section has been added.
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    Just a minor nitpick, but I would put Roar over Dragon Tail as the first option on any defensive set. Everything seems to be running Substitute lately, and that really messes with Dragon Tail. Plus, Dragon Tail isn't 100% accurate, which has cost me a few games in the past. Others can chime in, but I think the Gen 5 RestTalk Gyarados should be identical to the Gen 4 one.
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    ctrl + f Porygon2

    Reached end of page.

    Even before Evolution Stone, P2 was Gyarados' number one nemesis with Trace and Thunderbolt/Discharge.
  22. Kevin Garrett

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    I agree with ToF. Put Roar over Dragon Tail on Gyarados and I would change those SpD EVs to Spe.
  23. Togekissfan

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    I got to agree with you on that. Plus Gyarados would really appreciate the +1 Attack boost. Still, it always has Flail and Focus Band/Focus Sash, or Thrash and Lum Berry, yet this is based on strategy and power, respectively, not type coverage. And with Thunder Wave, it has a 50% chance of a free turn anyway. And it can use it on a predicted switch out.
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    Rechargeable Battery doesn't give an immunity though (IIRC).

    Edit: Rotom-W deserves its own mention in the Counters section, away from other bulky Water-types. Rotom-W resists Waterfall, Bounce, and Earthquake, three common attacks on Gyarados. Scarf Rotom-W will always out-speed +1 Gyarados and OHKO with Volt Change (bar Wacan Berry, I think).
  25. DropTheNuke

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    Sorry for the long delay, but I've changed around Dragon Tail and Roar (even though I personally still prefer the former), added mentions of Porygon-2, and included more mentions of Rotom-W in the Counters section.

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