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Ubers Gyarados

Discussion in 'Preliminary Pokedex' started by trickroom, Jan 16, 2014.

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    Overview
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    While Gyarados is an uncommon Pokemon in Ubers, its unique typing and access to Intimidate give it a niche. Despite its unimpressive Defense stat, Intimidate goes a long way in helping Gyarados check threats such as Ho-Oh, Blaziken, and Lucario, the former two being very prominent threats in the tier.

    Gyarados also gets a Mega Evolution this generation. Although the typing change might seem unfortunate, it does have its uses. The greater number of weaknesses that came along with the Dark typing sucks, but Mega Gyarados also gains useful resistances to Psychic- and Dark-type attacks and some much needed extra bulk. If you are not a fan of defensive Gyarados, Mega Gyarados can take on an offensive route and become one of the bulkiest sweepers in the game, as even with uninvested defenses, monstrous threats such as Kyogre can never OHKO Mega Gyarados without Choice Specs, even after Stealth Rock damage. Access to Taunt is a blessing, as it lets Gyarados run over most defensive Pokemon. In addition, Gyarados isn't affected much by the weather nerf as it doesn't rely on weather to function, unlike former threats such as Kingdra.


    Defensive
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    name: Defensive
    move 1: Waterfall
    move 2: Taunt
    move 3: Dragon Tail / Roar
    move 4: Toxic / Earthquake
    ability: Intimidate
    item: Leftovers / Gyaradosite
    evs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
    nature: Impish

    Moves
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    This set is the standard Gyarados set, and it aims to check dangerous threats such as Blaziken while still having utility in Taunt and either Dragon Tail or Roar. Waterfall is Gyarados's best STAB move, as it hits Ho-Oh and Blaziken for good damage. Taunt is a great move in Ubers, preventing threats such as Arceus from boosting and shutting down defensive Pokemon including Defog Skarmory and Scizor. Taunt also stops Aegislash from using Toxic and King's Shield. Roar phazes opponents, and Fairy-types aren't immune to it. Dragon Tail is a good option for chip damage and uses Gyarados's respectable Attack stat; however, it invites Xerneas to switch in for free. Earthquake hits Aegislash, Dialga, and Lucario for major damage. Keep in mind this Gyarados set is rather weak. Earthquake also hits unsuspecting Mega Gengar switch-ins, but Thunderbolt will be an easy OHKO although it is a rare move.

    Aqua Tail can be used over Waterfall, but it can miss and loses the 20% flinch chance. Fire Blast surprises Ferrothorn and Forretress, easily 2HKOing both in neutral weather. Rest helps to recover fast and remove status, and is best used when paired with a cleric such as Blissey, Sylveon, or Xerneas. Sylveon is usually best as it can pass Wishes too. Protect helps to scout and grant some recovery. Thunder Wave can be used over Toxic to stop fast threats such as Darkrai, Choice Scarf Kyogre, Mewtwo, and others.

    Set Details
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    Intimidate is the key to this set's success. It not only helps buff Gyarados's Defense, but it also supports the team overall. Defensive Gyarados is weak and does not carry any offensive pressure, and as such should be not be used on offensive teams. This set beats Blaziken relatively well while also checking Ho-Oh, although burns and Life Orb Brave Birds will be a 2HKO if Stealth Rock is up. It can also check Extreme Killer Arceus, Rayquaza and other Swords Dance Arceus formes such as Bug and Ground once. Maximum Defense is required to reduce damage from Blaziken, Ho-Oh, Arceus and other threats as much as possible. Gyaradosite is an option to reduce Knock Off damage and gain significant bulk, but Gyarados will no longer have Intimidate and certain useful resistances.

    76 Speed EVs can be used to outrun slow base 90s such as Groudon and Giratina so Gyarados can move before they can set up Stealth Rock or burn it. More Speed can help to outrun defensive Xerneas, but it is usually not worth losing the bulk. If you want an offensive Gyarados with Taunt, the Dragon Dance set is a better choice.

    Usage Tips
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    This set is best used in defensive and balanced teams that need a check to Lucario, Blaziken, and a shaky check to Ho-Oh. Taunt annoys defensive Pokemon such as Blissey, Skarmory, and Scizor. Intimidate is very useful, so you should feel free to switch Gyarados in on physical attackers whenever you need to weaken them. However, be wary of Gyarados's weakness to Stealth Rock, so a teammate that can remove hazards is much appreciated.


    Team Options
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    Ferrothorn pairs up nicely with Gyarados in terms of synergy, and it also sets up hazards. Dialga resists Thunder and beats Kyogre and Palkia, and it appreciates Gyarados's immunity to Ground and resistance to Fighting. Excadrill can spin away Stealth Rock and shares perfect type synergy with Gyarados. Groudon can form a physically defensive core with Gyarados, and Drought makes Thunder inaccurate at the cost of Waterfall's power. These Ground-types can also beat Zekrom. Offensive Groudon and Excadrill can defeat Rock Arceus, which can 2HKO Gyarados with Judgment. Blissey and Sylveon can use Heal Bell and pass Wishes, and they have good special bulk. Aegislash is a great partner to beat Xerneas and it has great Special Defense to support Gyarados.


    Utility
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    name: Mega RestTalk
    move 1: Rest
    move 2: Sleep Talk
    move 3: Waterfall
    move 4: Dragon Tail
    ability: Intimidate ( Mold Breaker )
    item: Gyaradosite
    evs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 spD
    nature: Careful

    Moves
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    This set gives Gyarados the ability to check threats repeatedly and can Mega Evolve after it's done with checking Blaziken and Lucario. After Mega Evolving, Gyarados gains extra bulk, and this helps it to avoid the 2HKO from Choice Scarf Kyogre's Water Spout and take on Yveltal. Mega Gyarados is also not 2HKOed by Mega Mewtwo Y's Aura Sphere and is immune to Psytrike, a move that would normally 2HKO standard Gyarados.

    Waterfall is the best STAB move and it takes out Blaziken, Ho-Oh, Rock Arceus, Ground Arceus and Excadrill. Waterfall also uses Gyarados's good Attack stat which is further boosted on Mega Evolving. Dragon Tail is the preferred phazing move as it bypasses Taunt, and is a useful move to phaze out Yveltal and others. Dragon Tail also lands a solid hit on Dragon-types such as Palkia, Rayquaza, and Kyurem. The EV spread gives the best overall bulk. 16 Special Defense EVs get a jump point while the rest are maxed out in Def and HP. With Intimidate, normal Gyarados can check the standard threats it is supposed to check and only Mega Evolve when the time is right such as when it needs to cushion a huge hit and Intimidate is no longer needed. For example, Mega Gyarados survives Choice Scarf Zekrom's Bolt Strike 100% of the time with Intimidate.

    Keep in mind that Gyarados only has a 1/3 chance to phaze while asleep. This set can lure Fairy Arceus and Xerneas in to spam their STABs, but luckily, repeated Waterfalls can easily wear down offensive Xerneas. Fairy Arceus doesn't hit as hard and can be beaten with teammates which resist Fairy-type moves, such as Ho-Oh. Rest gives Gyarados much needed recovery, and with the new sleep mechanics, it is a great way to cure off status and recover. This also lets Gyarados switch in freely in on Scalds, random Lava Plumes such as from Groudon, and Sacred Fire.

    Set Details
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    Defensive Mega Gyarados plays similarly to Kyogre, but checks different threats. Ghost- and Dark-type resistances are useful for tanking attacks from Ghost Arceus and Darkrai. However, Focus Blast hits Mega Gyarados for super effective damage. Fortunately, Focus Blast rarely hits more than 3 times in a row and has low PP. Stone Edge can be used if you want Mega Gyarados to OHKO Ho-Oh and 2HKO Yveltal. Earthquake crushes Dialga, and Gyarados can survive even a Choice Specs Draco Meteor; it has the added bonus of hitting Aegislash and Zekrom. This set can completely wall Aegislash without Sacred Sword as Rest removes poison.

    If you prefer regular Gyarados's resistances and consistent Intimidate ability instead, use a spread of 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD for maximum physical bulk. It lets Gyarados check powerful physical threats such as Blaziken, Lucario, and Ho-Oh, while keeping it healthy with Rest.

    Usage Tips
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    You have to pick the right time to Mega Evolve Gyarados. Knock Off from Blaziken fails to KO Gyarados even after Stealth Rock because it wont be boosted. Once Mega Evolved, Gyarados becomes essentially a mixed tank, able to stave off hits such as Choice Specs Kyogre's Surf and Arceus's Judgment. Intimidate can also let Gyarados check Ho-Oh, Groudon, Mega Charizard X, and Arceus. Groudon's -1 Stone Edge fails to 2HKO Gyarados. If you choose to Mega Evolve then Mega Gyarados can easily tank it, but keep in mind that this makes it vulnerable to Earthquake the next switch in, especially from the Earth Plate variants.

    Even with base 155 Attack, don't expect Gyarados to hit hard. Waterfall still hits decently hard against less bulky threats such as Genesect and offensive Yveltal, but it barely scratches Arceus and defensive Groudon.

    Team Options
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    Aegislash is a solid partner as it helps beat Xerneas, a major threat to this set. Sylveon is another great partner; it provides Wish support to Gyarados, while beating Palkia with Hyper Voice. Xerneas with Aromatherapy can wake Gyarados up immediately and beats up most Dragon-types with Moonblast. Gastrodon helps wall Choice Specs Kyogre and non-Choice Specs Palkia. It can also come in on Bolt Strike or Thunder for free while spamming Scald, which can easily annoy would-be counters to Gyarados and Gastrodon, such as Ferrothorn. Ho-Oh can phaze Xerneas once and defeat Ferrothorn and Skarmory. In return, Gyarados can take on Rock Arceus fairly well, especially with the increased bulk of this set.


    Mega Dragon Dance
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    name: Mega Dragon Dance
    move 1: Dragon Dance
    move 2: Taunt
    move 3: Waterfall
    move 4: Earthquake / Stone Edge / Bite
    ability: Intimidate ( Mold Breaker )
    item: Gyaradosite
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    nature: Adamant / Jolly

    Moves
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    Offensive Gyarados finally got some use in Ubers thanks to its Mega Evolution. This Gyarados can easily set up Dragon Dance and has a chance at sweeping. Taunt is the main move as it is that move separates Gyarados from other sweepers. Waterfall is Gyarados's main STAB move, and it has a bonus 20% chance to flinch and never misses. Aqua Tail can be used for more power but has a risky 10% miss chance. Earthquake is a great coverage move as it destroys Aegislash, Lucario, Dialga, Zekrom, and is Mega Gyarados's best move against Ferrothorn. Mold Breaker Earthquake also hits Bronzong and Gengar for super effective damage. Bite is a weak STAB move but it OHKOes Mewtwo after a Dragon Dance, and packs a great 30% flinch chance. Bite also takes out Giratina formes without resorting to Outrage. Stone Edge destroys Ho-Oh in any weather, breaks through Lugia's Multiscale, and is Mega Gyarados's best move against Yveltal and Kyurem. Taunt can be used if you want to avoid status from defensive threats such as Arceus. Substitute can also stop status, but it does not prevent Roar and Whirlwind from working. Ice Fang OHKOes Rayquaza but it is otherwise nearly useless.

    The EV spread can be changed accordingly. HP and Special Defense can be maxed out, but Gyarados will lose a lot of power. 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def is a fine spread, but Mega Gyarados won't outrun everything up to Choice Scarf Terrakion at +2, and loses out on Choice Scarf Kyogre and other base 90s at +2. Taunt can be used with a bulky spread, but Mega Gyarados is still relatively bulky without investment anyway.

    Set Details
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    Intimidate is the recommended ability in order to maximize Gyarados's bulk while using Dragon Dance and give it more setup opportunities. It also helps Gyarados's role as a team player. Moxie is great for sweeping teams that sacrifice something to bring in their Gyarados check. You don't have to Mega Evolve instantly; sometimes, you want to keep Gyarados's ability and typing, such as against Blaziken. Mold Breaker is a near-useless ability in Ubers, but it helps breaks Lugia's Multiscale and the rare Gastrodon's Storm Drain. Maximum Attack is used, as Gyarados's STAB moves are disappointingly weak despite its high Attack. Maximum Speed outruns everything up to Shaymin-S after a Dragon Dance with Adamant, while with Jolly, Gyarados can outrun Mega Mewtwo-Y and Rash Deoxys-A.

    Usage Tips
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    Intimidate and the great resistances provided by Gyarados's Flying typing are great for setting up. After Mega-Evolving, Gyarados gains more unfortunate weaknesses and will no longer be able to check Blaziken and Lucario. Gyarados is 1 point faster in base Speed than normal Blaziken, so it can outrun the latter before or on the turn Blaziken Mega Evolves or against normal Blaziken. It is likely Blaziken will use Protect first on that turn, allowing you to act accordingly. Gyarados can use its type change for a free Dragon Dance as Mega Gyarados. For example, Gyarados can switch in on Landorus-T and Mega Evolve to take laughable damage from Stone Edge. Mega Gyarados can survive Thunders if it has full health, so use that chance to grab another boost if you desperately need it. Not even Life Orb Mewtwo's Aura Sphere can OHKO minimal bulk Mega Gyarados after Stealth Rock damage. A +2 Earthquake OHKOes Kyogre and Palkia after Stealth Rock damage, so you can grab another boost as they come in to try and Thunder you if you're feeling ballsy. Simply spamming attacks from the start can be great to weaken down foes such as Groudon. Support Groudon can't really destroy Gyarados quickly, so wear it down first before attempting a sweep. Rain boosts Gyarados's power, and is greatly appreciated but not necessary because Kyogre shares some unfortunate weaknesses with Gyarados. Mega Gyarados is one of the bulkiest sweepers, so use that to your advantage. It can tank hits such as Dialga's Draco Meteor and KO back with a boosted Earthquake. Mega Gyarados is immune to Psytrike so you can play around Mewtwo. Even if the opponent predicts well and uses Aura Sphere, Mega Gyarados can survive and take out Mewtwo with a boosted Bite or Waterfall. Iron Head is your best move against Xerneas but does not provide much coverage. Mega Gyarados can outrun and almost OHKO Rock Arceus and Ground Arceus after a boost, something other physical sweepers such as Mega Kangaskhan can't boast. Gyarados also has no problem destroying Ho-Oh, although switching in directly can be very risky.

    Team Options
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    Stealth Rock is great for wearing down opponents. Defog support helps Gyarados live as long as possible since it lacks recovery. Excadrill makes a great partner for using Rapid Spin, setting up Stealth Rock and firing off Earthquakes to weaken threats such as Ferrothorn and Dialga. Defog support is also useful, but Gyarados enjoys Stealth Rock on the opponent's side of the field as well. Landorus-T forms a nice core with Gyarados and beats Zekrom. If Landorus-T uses Earth Plate, it also has a chance to OHKO Zekrom and Dialga. Ho-Oh can switch in on potential Will-O-Wisps and destroy Ferrothorn, Skarmory, and other Steel-types. Heal Bell and Aromatherapy support help Gyarados by removing status issues such as random burns from Scald.

    Other Options
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    Dragon Dance Gyarados can use Life Orb over Gyaradosite, but it will be usually outclassed by more powerful threats such as Rayquaza. The reason to use offensive Mega Gyarados is its great bulk and flexibility in type change. A Choice Band or Choice Scarf can be used with Moxie to dish out good damage, but Gyarados is too slow and weak for a Choice Scarf.

    Checks & Counters
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    Regular Gyarados and Mega Gyarados can have different checks and counters, but they both share an Electric-type weakness.

    **Zekrom**: Zekrom can switch in easily on Waterfall and Taunt, while threatening back with Bolt Strike, OHKOing every Gyarados variant, as Gyarados will never switch in directly to Intimidate Zekrom before attempting a daring Mega Evolution. Toxic and repeated Dragon Tails can be annoying, however. Earthquake from Mega Gyarados will OHKO at +1, but Choice Scarf Zekrom can outspeed and OHKO it first.

    **Groudon**: Groudon's Drought weakens offensive Gyarados and can phaze it out with Dragon Tail. Roar variants are stopped by Taunt and Groudon can't really take out Gyarados quickly. Defensive Gyarados can shrug off Stone Edge with Intimidate and Toxic Groudon while Mega Gyarados doesn't care about support Groudon's attacks. Earth Plate Groudon can overpower Mega Gyarados with Earthquake as long as Intimidate isn't active.

    **Ferrothorn**: Gyarados cannot take out Ferrothorn easily with its standard moves, and Ferrothorn fears only the rare Fire Blast. Mega Gyarados hates taking Power Whips. However, Taunt causes Ferrothorn to lose if it doesn't carry Power Whip. Leech Seed will also wear down non-Taunt variants of Gyarados.

    **Xerneas**: Xerneas can 2HKO Gyarados with Moonblast and has the bulk to take at least one attack. Physically defensive Xerneas walls Gyarados and does not fear Toxic. Taunt isn't a big issue as Moonblast does a lot of damage.

    **Dialga**: Dialga can fry regular Gyarados with Thunder while Earthquake from defensive Gyarados is only a 3HKO. However, Mega Gyarados easily survives one Thunder, and a boosted Earthquake will destroy Dialga. Dialga must carry Thunder or risk getting walled completely by Mega Gyarados's RestTalk set.

    **Kyogre**: Kyogre can KO Gyarados with Thunder and isn't weak to Dragon Tail. Mega Gyarados can live one hit though, and a +2 Earthquake squashes frailer Kyogre variants. Defensive Kyogre can phaze out offensive Mega Gyarados once but fails to do anything significant outside of fishing for a Scald burn.

    **Electric Arceus**: Electric Arceus OHKOes normal Gyarados with Judgment. Keep in mind though, that, even minimum bulk Mega Gyarados can survive a hit and OHKO with a +1 Earthquake 50% of the time.

    **Fighting Arceus**: Fighting Arceus can survive a boosted Waterfall from Mega Gyarados and 2HKO with Judgment. However, regular Gyarados can Toxic, Taunt, and wall Fighting Arceus, as even a -1 Stone Edge doesn't do a lot.

    **Grass Arceus**: Grass Arceus can take on Gyarados with Grass Knot, which hits Gyarados for 120 Base Power. Mega Gyarados is also weak to Grass-type attacks. A resistance to Waterfall means that Grass Arceus has nothing to fear from offensive Gyarados except for the rare Bounce. Toxic from defensive Gyarados can cripple Grass Arceus, but Grass Arceus will still likely win as Grass Knot will 3HKO at worst.

    **Yveltal**: Yveltal can Taunt defensive Gyarados first and slowly KO with Foul Play or just use Oblivion Wing to recover off damage. Keep in mind that Mega Gyarados can defeat Yveltal with Stone Edge. The additional Special Defense and resistance to Foul Play means that Yveltal is stopped by Mega Gyarados instead of stopping it.

    **Scizor**: Mega Scizor has huge Defense and is able to 2HKO Mega Gyarados with U-turn. It can heal off damage with Roost, but Taunt will prevent that. Regular Gyarados completely walls Scizor.

    **Revenge Killers**: Mega Gengar can come in on regular Gyarados and take it out with Thunderbolt. Palkia can Thunder Gyarados for the OHKO, but fails against Mega Gyarados, which can grab another boost and smash Palkia with Earthquake. Dragon Tail also hits Palkia for super-effective damage. Mega Lucario can outrun and OHKO Mega Gyarados with Close Combat, but regular Gyarados beats it. Shaymin-S can 2HKO every Gyarados variant with Seed Flare, but Stone Edge will take it down. Mewtwo OHKOes regular Gyarados with Thunder but cannot beat Mega Gyarados reliably, as Aura Sphere doesn't 2HKO.

    **Entry Hazards**: Gyarados generally lacks reliable recovery, so repeated attacks will eventually take it down, although the RestTalk set can heal off damage pretty well. Regular Gyarados is also weak to Stealth Rock.

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    Mega Bulky Gyara
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    name: Mega Bulky Gyara
    move 1: Dragon Dance
    move 2: Taunt
    move 3: Waterfall
    move 4: Earthquake / Stone Edge / Bite
    ability: Intimidate
    item: Gyaradosite
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 248 HP / 16 Atk / 156 Def / 88 Spe

    Moves
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    - Main niche in the team isn't to sweep, this set gives Gyarados the ability to check threats it is supposed to, and Mega Evolving after you are done with checking Blaziken and Lucario. Mega Gyarados has solid bulk on both sides, and Intimidate gives it immense physical bulk for the initial switch in. This set focuses on harassing opponents and be more of a team supporter instead of sweeping. Dragon Dance should be used only if you think there is a chance to sweep or outrun threats so you can Taunt them first.
    - Waterfall is your usual STAB and has a chance to flinch. Taunt is the key move of this set. It completely stops defensive pokemon, and you can easily prevent things from using Defog, status moves if you outrun them, easier after a Dragon Dance. Beats Rock Arceus.
    - Earthquake destroys Aegislash, Lucario, Dialga, Zekrom and is your best move against Ferrothorn. It also helps this set beat Blaziken better in the sun with Earthquake.
    - Bite is weak but it is your best move against Ghost-types such as Giratina who cannot do a thing to you if it tries switching in on Taunt or Dragon Dance. Bite also deals with Mewtwo.
    - Stone Edge destroys Ho-Oh in any weather and with this set's bulk it can take on Yveltal better.
    - Rest is an option but this set really needs Taunt.
    - EV spread is flexible but too much Speed will come at the price of bulk. 16 Attack EVs gives a jump point and provides some power to boost that base 155 Attack. Due to Gyarados's weak STABs, it is better to invest some power. 156 Def EVs give solid bulk. 88 Speed EVs outrun Palkia after one Dragon Dance, and outruns slow base 90s such as Groudon and Giratina so you can Taunt them first. Alternatively, 44 Speed EVs can be used for outrunning Mega Mewtwo Y at +2. 248 HP is for optimum bulk and Gyarados is surprisingly bulk after Mega Evolving. 120 Speed EVs help outrun Scarf Kyogre, after 2 Dragon Dances but Mega Gyarados should just focus on bulk instead.

    Set Details
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    - Intimidate plays a huge role in Gyarados's success. You can utilize it well for supporting your team and you can Mega Evolve after Intimidate, and survive a powerful attack such as Zekrom's Scarf Bolt Strike. Gives Gyarados a balance of bulk and power, more importantly to check dangerous threats at the same time while giving you a slight chance of sweeping.


    Usage Tips
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    - Don't Mega Evolve yet when the opponent still has threats that you need normal Gyarados to check such as Blaziken. Knock Off from Blaziken no longer hurts you as much because it won't be boosted. You can play mind games with Mewtwo, and even if the opponent predicts, Aura Sphere never OHKOes after 2 Stealth Rock damages.
    - Mega Evolving on Groudon, Landorus and other common Rock users are great choices but keep in mind Groudon can just phaze you out with Dragon Tail. You can shrug off one Thunder from threats like Dialga as well and KO them with Earthquake.
    - This set uses Gyarados's great bulk after Mega Evolving and Taunt is the key to this set's success. You can just Taunt a lot of things and be a prick in general. Also, Taunt stops recovery.
    - It is unlikely for Gyarados to sweep, so this set is just a bulky booster, and supporting the team is the main aim. Choose the best coverage move to fit your team.

    Team Options
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    - Landorus-T is a great partner to double up as a physical tank. Aegislash helps beat Xerneas and check things like Grass Arceus. Sylveon is a great partner, it provides Wish support to Gyarados, while beating Palkia with Hyper Voice. Gyarados can take on Steel-type attacks easily and has Earthquake or Bite to smash Mega Gengar.
    - Generally Gyarados is supporting the team and a user of Defog can extend it's life as Mega Gyarados lacks any form or recovery. Blissey can pair up fine too. Ho-Oh once again is great at absorbing burns while Gyarados slams Rock Arceus down.
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  2. Sweep

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    Yeah, definitely mention cleric support with this thing as it really appreciates it! Blissey was a start. I will write a lot later as I tried Mega Gyarados and regular Gyarados on the ladder but I am busy at the moment.

    OK, Mega Gyarados has some things going against it. First of all, its ability doesn't do it much good in a tier lacking stuff like Rotom-W (it's not like Gyarados can one shot stuff like Lugia and Skarmory anyway), so Intimidate is much better. Second of all, the typing is arguably worse as you become weak to Fairies and Fighting types...you cannot check Blaziken anymore! You do lose the Stealth Rock weakness though! Also, you cannot hold Leftovers which is huge to Gyarados's survivability. Finally, Mega Gyarados takes up your mega slot. Mega Gyarados can do some cool things, like run a more dangerous Dragon Dance set and check CM Arceus-Ghost, but in general I find regular Gyarados much more viable. If you write up Mega Gyarados, perhaps make a Dragon Dance set instead of support since regular Gyarados is better at supporting due to Leftovers+Intimidate IMO. OK you did this already :D.

    Regular Gyarados is still very viable. I agree with everything listed except maybe the set order, though I will let other QC chime in here. I feel Earthquake hits a ton and is more important than either Roar or Toxic, so maybe slash Toxic with Roar? Last generation I would prefer Roar in conjunction with Hazards but Defog makes it harder to wear down teams with Roar shuffling :(.

    Mention Fighting Arceus in the checks & counters section for Mega Gyarados. It is still viable this generation.

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  3. Colonel M

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    Gyarados, my baby... It's finally considered for Ubers!

    Strong trickroom.
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    Thanks Sweep, those are fixed. Fighting Arceus will be mentioned and Grass Arceus.
    The Tyrant Colonel strong, Gyarados is legit.
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    Okay normally I would flat out reject this but Blaziken checks are at a premium right now and this is one of the better ones so...idk I'm still leaning towards rejecting but I'm not going to do so immediately.

    I guess I do have some suggestions:

    -Sylveon and Clefable are alternative clerics to pair with Gyarados.

    -Slash Dragon Tail in front of Roar IMO. Without it you lose to BU M2X, especially if it has Stone Edge (if it has Stone Edge it beats you anyway though...)

    -Xerneas is a pretty solid check so mention that.

    -If this gets approved you need to stress in the Overview that Gyarados is primarily a niche mon and requires a lot of support to function well.

    -Gyarados is not that good of a check to Rayquaza. Mixed sets wreck it with Draco Meteor, SD sets do like 66% minimum with DClaw at +2 (and similar damage with +1 Outrage) and Gyarados can only phaze it away. If you lack Dragon Tail you can't even damage Rayquaza at all which is lulzy. It's also somewhat shaky against Arceus since you do like 20% with Waterfall (lol) and if you try to switch around to Intimidate stall it can potentially just SD again. Also, you have no recovery and can only phaze. It's a good one-time check but nothing more than that.

    If Sweep or somebody could please explain why Gyarados is actually viable then maybe I won't reject it, but as of now I still have major doubts.
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    I put in Xerneas in checks. Are Clefable and Sylveon even viable in Ubers? I don't mind if this get rejected but I asked Melee Mewtwo earlier and he said he approves. Sweep has no problems with Gyarados. If this is getting rejected, don't move it directly
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    I am just skeptical of Gyara's viability and would like one of the other QC members that think its viable (Sweep, MM2) to vouch/provide reasoning for it, that's all.

    IDK if Clefable is all that viable but Sylveon definitely is, I've used it to good success as have a few other players like Edgar and Problems.
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    Gyarados has a unique typing and somewhat well-rounded stats that give it a niche in Ubers. Its ability to Taunt slower threats such as Skarmory, Blissey and Chansey while simultaneously checking Blaziken (while serving as a one-time check to dangerous stuff like Extremekiller) is something no other Pokemon can do. Gliscor comes close, but gets destroyed by a +2 Flare Blitz from Blaziken. Also, it has some very nice resistances and a great Ground immunity.

    It should be noted that proper team support (defog/clerics) allow it to check more threats reliably, such as Ho-Oh. It does need a LOT of support and I would never suggest otherwise, but its ability to phaze, taunt, and check Blaziken are all significant and make it viable.

    Mention Aegislash in teammates for regular Gyarados, as Gyarados invites Xerneas and Aegislash is a bitch for it to wear down.
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    Alright I guess that's good enough. Blaziken checks are at a premium regardless.

    I'm still leaning towards not including the DD set since it takes away one of Gyara's main niches (checking Blaziken) although maybe you could try a bulkier DD set with Taunt?
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    Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 248 HP / 56 Atk / 160 Def / 44 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall
    - Taunt
    - Earthquake / Stone Edge / Bite

    Yeah this Gyarados is piss slow but Gyarados's main use is to stop Blaziken before Mega Evolving. When the opponent has a Blaziken or Lucario, you can always hold off the Mega Evolution. You need all the bulk you can get and I tried to give it good enough bulk, Adamant really boosts a lot due to the base 155 Attack. With such weak STABs, Gyarados is better off acting as a bulky attacker.

    Taunt is just amazing, 2 Dragon Dances to outrun Mega Mewtwo Y, neutral Speed nature and Mild Deoxys-A although, you can obviously go faster to outrun Palkia with one Dragon Dance. 120 Speed EVs does that and outrun Scarf Jolly Zekrom at +2. However, the point of this set is to utilize Gyarados's bulk so I will rather be slower. Mewtwo's Aura Sphere will not KO you even after 2 Stealth Rock damage.

    252 SpA Life Orb Mewtwo Aura Sphere vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: 205-244 (52.1 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Bite can go in the last slot for defeating the Psychic- and Ghost-types better, including Giratina. Taunt just shuts down Giratina, and Gyarados is bulky enough to stomach Draco Meteors from Giratina-O.

    252 SpA Griseous Orb Giratina-O Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: 193-228 (49.1 - 58%)

    -1 252+ Atk Life Orb Rayquaza Outrage vs. 248 HP / 160 Def Mega Gyarados: 168-199 (42.7 - 50.6%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO

    252 SpA Life Orb Rayquaza Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: 246-290 (62.5 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Stone Edge vs Earthquake is a preference thing. Stone Edge destroys Rayquaza, Yveltal and friends, Ho-Oh in sun too. Earthquake crushes Blaziken in sun, Lucario, Dialga, Zekrom and Aegislash. Bad news is Stone Edge isn't accurate. With Intimidate, Gyarados can be surprisingly bulky and it gives an easy initial set up if you choose to Mega Evolve on that turn.

    If Sweep and the rest of the QC team agrees, then I will remove the offensive Mega DD. I will wait for Sweep's result on Taunt bulky Mega Gyara. The good news is Blaziken can't harm you much with Knock Off anymore.
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    Just saying, if you're going to use a bulky Gyarados set with Taunt, please give it as much speed needed to outspeed base 90s at +1 (76 EVs, iirc). I got outsped by a Giratina-A and got burned by WoW, which defeats the whole point of Taunting :(
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    I will give enough to outrun Palkia at +1 then :)
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    Alright I'm satisfied

    QC: 2/3

    The times they are a-changin.
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    that moment when Fireburn approved Ubers Gyarados (open)
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    I will edit the Mega Gyarados sets later. Shrang and Melee Mewtwo didn't really like it. Shrang said its piss weak and just bulky. Sweep is neutral on this and said its a bit situational. Melee Mewtwo suggested a mixed Defensive, will post a set of that later. Maybe just no Sweeping set.
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    I approve of the mixed defensive set, it does a nice job of checking stuff like Blaziken before it megaevolves and Mewtwo after it megaevolves. It also handles Scarf Kyogre fairly well since 100% HP Water Spout does not 2HKO it. Rest talk somewhat mitigates Gyarados's biggest weakness: its lack of reliable recovery. Do mention that only having a 1/3 chance of phazing while asleep is unfortunate and how much it despises Xerneas and Fairy Arceus. At least it can bop them on the switch for solid chip damage with Waterfall!
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    I want to comment on this but won't be able to until later on in the week, can you save yourself the trouble of writing this up until then?
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    I think I still can write this up later in the week, but I think the QC team has to decide whether to include both DD sets though, Sweep said he approves but shrang doesn't like DD sets because its too weak and slow.
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    I'm kind of beginning to like offensive Mega Gyarados again. I'm not sure if I want a set for it yet, but what I'm impressed with is its uninvested bulk. Switching in and Intimidating something, it can set up on a truckload of things. It can tank a Thunder from Kyogre, for example. Although, its power is still a bit lacking, it can't kill things like Palkia at +1 with Earthquake (I don't want to have to resort to Outrage).
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    The great thing about Dragon Dance Mega Gyarados is it is still relatively bulky without any defensive EVs. Maybe they rest of the QC team can decide whether it should get a set. Intimidate helps a lot, and I guess Jolly is better to outrun Mega Mewtwo.

    <shrang> I'll tell you write up offensive DD
    <shrang> I like offensive DD

    Sweep and shrang agreed on Offensive DD set so I kept it. This analysis is written and waiting for 3rd check.
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    looks good. qc 3/3
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    Just one thing that bothers me, why is Earthquake so important for the first set? I get it helps with Lucario, Dialga, and Aegislash but those aren't really major targets for that set. I personally like Toxic , Taunt, Waterfall, Dtail on that Gyarados variant because it's difficult to switch into hand can spread status pretty well. (unless there's a ferro) Also, I think Gyaradosite is worth an item slash on that set (huge bulk boost and don't have to worry about SR) and a faster spread worth a set details mention. (fast Taunt is strong Taunt)

    Can you put hazards cause Ferro is also good at setting up Spikes.

    I think a Lefties max Defense variant is worth a mention on RestTalk for those who want a specialized Mega Blaze and friends check.

    Um the Checks and Counters system changed. Basically, we want readers to be able to glance at that section and know just what counters a mon so we use bullet points for individual mons now. (and group together the really similar guys or indirect methods) Check out Manaphy's Darkrai analysis (I have his section quoted in the index) it's an excellent example of what I'm looking for.
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    Fixed all of those thanks.
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    Overview
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    While Gyarados is an uncommon Pokemon in Ubers., its It's unique typing and the ability access to Intimidate gave Gyarados give it a niche in the Ubers. Despite that its unimpressive Defense stat, Intimidate goes a long way in helping Gyarados to beat threats it is supposed to check including check threats such as Ho-Oh, Blaziken, and Lucario, the former 2 are two being very prominent threats in the tier.

    Gyarados also gets a Mega Evolution this generation. Although that the typing change might seem unfortunate, it does has have its uses. The higher greater number of weaknesses which that came along with the typing change Dark-typing (just a minor clarification) sucks, but Mega Gyarados also gained gains useful resistances to Psychic- and Dark-type attacks, and some much needed extra bulk. If you are not a fan of defensive Gyarados, Mega Gyarados can take on an offensive route and become one of the bulkiest sweeper sweepers in the game, as even when uninvested even with uninvested defenses, monstrous threats such as Kyogre can never OHKO Mega Gyarados without a Choice Specs, even after Stealth Rock damage. Access to Taunt is a blessing, as it lets Gyarados run over most defensive Pokemon. In addition, Gyarados isn't affected much by the weather nerf as it doesn't rely on the weather to function, unlike former threats such as Kingdra.


    Defensive
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    name: Defensive
    move 1: Waterfall
    move 2: Taunt
    move 3: Dragon Tail / Roar
    move 4: Toxic / Earthquake
    ability: Intimidate ( Mold Breaker )
    item: Leftovers / Gyaradosite
    nature: Impish
    evs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD

    Moves
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    This set is the standard Gyarados set, as and it aims to check dangerous threats such as Blaziken while still having useful utility in the form of Taunt and either Dragon Tail or Roar. Waterfall is Gyarados's best STAB move, as it hits Ho-Oh and Blaziken for good damage. Taunt is a great move in Ubers,. It prevents preventing threats such as Arceus from boosting, shuts and shutting down defensive pokemon including Defog Skarmory and Scizor. Taunt also stops Aegislash from using Toxic and King's Shield. Roar phazes threats around opponents, and Fairy-types aren't immune to it. Dragon Tail is a good option for chip damage and uses using Gyarados's respectable Attack stat. However, Dragon Tail invites Xerneas to come switch in for free. Earthquake hits Aegislash, Dialga and Lucario for major damage. Keep in mind this Gyarados set is rather weak. Earthquake also hits unsuspecting Mega Gengar switch ins, but Thunderbolt will be an easy OHKO although it is a rare move.

    Aqua Tail can be used over Waterfall but it can miss and loses the 20% flinch chance. Fire Blast surprises Ferrothorn and Forretress, easily 2HKOing both in neutral weather. Rest helps to recover fast and removes remove status, and is best used when paired with a cleric such as Blissey, Sylveon, or and Xerneas. Sylveon is usually better best as it can pass Wishes too. Protect helps to scout and grants grant some recovery. Thunder Wave can go in be used over Toxic to stop fast threats such as Darkrai, Choice Scarf Kyogre, Mewtwo, and friends others.

    Set Details
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    Intimidate is the key to this set's success. It not only helps to not only buff Gyarados's Defense, but it also supports the team overall. Defensive Gyarados is weak and does not carry any offensive pressure, and as such should be not be used on offensive teams. This set beats Blaziken relatively well while also checking Ho-Oh can be checked, although burns and Life Orb Brave Birds will be a 2HKO if Stealth Rocks are Rock is up. It can also check Extremekiller Arceus, Rayquaza and other Swords Dance Arceus formes such as Bug and Ground once. Maximum Defense is required to reduce as much damage as possible from Blaziken, Ho-Oh, Arceus and other threats as much as possbile. Gyaradosite is an option to reduce Knock Off damage and gain significant bulk, but you Gyarados will no longer have Intimidate and certain useful resistances.

    76 Speed EVs can be used to outrun slow base 90s such as Groudon and Giratina so you can outrun them move before they can set up Stealth Rock or burn you. More Speed can help to outrun defensive Xerneas, but it is usually not worth losing the bulk. If you want an offensive Gyarados with Taunt, the Dragon Dance set does it is a better choice.

    Usage Tips
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    This set is best used in defensive and balanced teams wanting that need a check to Lucario, Blaziken, and a shaky check to Ho-Oh. Taunt annoys defensive Pokemon such as Blissey, Skarmory and Scizor. Intimidate is very useful, so you should feel free to switch Gyarados in on physical attackers whenever you need to weaken them. However, be wary of Gyarados's weakness to Stealth Rock, so a teammate that can remove hazards is much appreciated. and something to remove Stealth Rock is needed. Genesect without Thunderbolt cannot get past Gyarados.
    (Honestly, this paragraph was very poorly written, and I don't think it covers the topic of "usage tips" very well at all. I kind of took some wild guesses at what to say when rewriting parts of it, but you may want to look it over again to make sure it's correct.)


    Team Options
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    Ferrothorn pairs up nicely with Gyarados in terms of synergy, and it also sets up hazards. Dialga resists Thunder and beats Kyogre, and Palkia, and enjoys it appreciates Gyarados's immunity to Ground and resistance to Fighting-type attacks. Excadrill spins can spin away Stealth Rock and shares perfect type synergy with Gyarados. Groudon forms can form a physical physically defensive core with Gyarados, and Drought makes Thunder inaccurate at the price cost of Waterfall's power. The These Ground-types can also beat Zekrom. Offensive Groudon and Excadrill can defeat Rock Arceus, whom who can 2HKO Gyarados with Judgment. Blissey and Sylveon can use Heal Bell and pass Wishes, and has have good special bulk. Aegislash is a great partner to beat Xerneas and it has great Special Defense to support Gyarados.


    Utility
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    name: Mega RestTalk
    move 1: Rest
    move 2: Sleep Talk
    move 3: Waterfall
    move 4: Dragon Tail
    ability: Intimidate ( Mold Breaker )
    item: Gyaradosite
    nature: Careful
    evs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 spD

    Moves
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    This set gives Gyarados the ability to check threats repeatedly, and can Mega Evolving Evolve after you it's are done with checking Blaziken and Lucario. After Mega Evolving, Gyarados gains extra bulk. The increase in bulk allows Gyarados to avoid the 2HKO from Choice Scarf Kyogre Kyogre's Water Spout, and can take on Yveltal. Mega Gyarados is also not 2HKOed by Mega Mewtwo Y's Aura Sphere and becomes is immune to Psytrike, a move which that would normally 2HKO standard Gyarados.

    Waterfall is the best STAB move and it takes out Blaziken, Ho-Oh, Rock Arceus, Ground Arceus and Excadrill. Waterfall also uses Gyarados's good Attack stat which is further boosted by Mega Evolving. Dragon Tail is the preferred phazing move as it bypasses Taunt, and is a useful move to phaze out Yveltal and friends others. Dragon Tail also lands a solid hit on Dragon-types such as Palkia, Rayquaza, and Kyurem. The EV spread gives the best overall bulk. 16 SpD EVs get a jump point while the rest are maxed out into Def and HP. With Intimidate, normal Gyarados can check the standard threats it is supposed to check and only Mega Evolve when the time is right such as when you need it needs to cushion a huge hit and Intimidate is no longer needed. Example: For example, Mega Gyarados lives survives Choice Scarf Zekrom's Bolt Strike 100% of the time with Intimidate.

    Keep in mind it that Gyarados only has 1/3 chance to phaze while asleep. This set attracts can lure Fairy Arceus and Xerneas to come in and spam their STABs, but thankfully luckily, repeated Waterfalls will can easily wear down offensive Xerneas easily. Fairy Arceus doesn't hit as hard and can be beaten with teammates who resist Fairy-type moves such as Ho-Oh. Rest gives Gyarados much needed recovery, and with the new sleep mechanics, it is a great way to cure off status and recover. This also lets Gyarados switch in freely in on Scalds, random Lava Plumes such as from Groudon, and Sacred Fire.

    Set Details
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    Defensive Mega Gyarados plays similarly to Kyogre, but you can check checks different threats. Ghost- and Dark-type resistances are useful for tanking attacks from Ghost Arceus and Darkrai. However, Focus Blast however hits you for super-effective damage. Thankfully Fortunately, Focus Blast rarely hits more than 3 times in a row and has low PP. Stone Edge can be used if you want to OHKO Ho-Oh and 2HKO Yveltal. Earthquake crushes Dialga and you Gyarados can live survive even a Choice Specs Draco Meteor. Earthquake has the added bonus of hitting Aegislash and Zekrom. You can completely wall Aegislash without Sacred Sword as Rest removes poison.

    If you prefer regular Gyarados's resistances and consistent Intimidate ability instead, use a spread of 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD for maximum physical bulk. It lets you Gyarados check powerful physical threats such as Blaziken, Lucario, and Ho-Oh, while keeping you it healthy with Rest.

    Usage Tips
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    You have to pick the right time to Mega Evolve Gyarados. Knock Off from Blaziken fails to KO you Gyarados even after Stealth Rock because it wont be boosted. Once Mega Evolved, Gyarados becomes essentially a Mixed mixed tank, able to stave off hits such as Choice Specs Kyogre's Specs Surf and Arceus's Judgment. Intimidate can also let you check Ho-Oh, Groudon, Mega Charizard X, and Arceus. Groudon's -1 Stone Edge fails to 2HKO Gyarados. If you choose to Mega Evolve then you can easily tank it, but keep in mind that makes you vulnerable to Earthquake the next switch in, especially from the Earth Plate variants.

    Even with base 155 Attack, don't expect Gyarados to hit hard. Waterfall still hits decently hard against less bulky threats such as Genesect and Offensive Yveltal but it barely scratches Arceus and defensive Groudon.

    Team Options
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    Aegislash is a solid partner as it helps beat Xerneas, a major threat to this set. Sylveon is a great partner, it provides Wish support to Gyarados, while beating Palkia with Hyper Voice. Xerneas with Aromatherapy can wake Gyarados up immediately and beats up most Dragon-types with Moonblast. Gastrodon helps wall Choice Specs Kyogre and non-Choice Specs Palkia. It can also come in on Bolt Strike or Thunder for free while spamming Scald, which can easily annoy would be would-be counters to Gyarados and Gastrodon such as Ferrothorn. Ho-Oh can phaze Xerneas once and defeats defeat Ferrothorn and Skarmory. In return, Gyarados in return can take on Rock Arceus fairly well, especially with the increased bulk of this set.


    Mega Dragon Dance
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    name: Mega Dragon Dance
    move 1: Dragon Dance
    move 2: Taunt
    move 3: Waterfall
    move 4: Earthquake / Stone Edge / Bite
    ability: Intimidate ( Mold Breaker )
    item: Gyaradosite
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    Moves
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    Offensive Gyarados finally got some use in Ubers thanks to its Mega Evolution. This Gyarados can easily set up a Dragon Dance and gives you has a chance of at sweeping. Taunt is the main move as it that move separates Gyarados from other sweepers. STAB Waterfall is Gyarados's main STAB move, and it has a bonus 20% chance to flinch and doesn't miss never misses. Aqua Tail can be used for more power but has a risky 10%
    miss chance to miss. Earthquake is a great coverage move as it destroys Aegislash, Lucario, Dialga, Zekrom, and is your best move against Ferrothorn. Mold Breaker Earthquake also hits Bronzong and Gengar for major super effective (more specific) damage. Bite is a weak STAB move but it OHKOes Mewtwo after a Dragon Dance, and packs a great 30% flinch chance. Bite also takes out Giratina forms without resorting to Outrage. Stone Edge destroys Ho-Oh in any weather, breaks through Lugia's Multiscale, and is your best move against Yveltal and Kyurem. Taunt can be used if you want to avoid status from defensive threats such as Arceus. Substitute can also stop status but it does not prevent Roar and Whirlwind from working. Ice Fang OHKOes Rayquaza but it is otherwise nearly useless otherwise.

    The EV spread can be changed accordingly., you can just max out HP and Special Defense can be maxed out, but Gyarados will lose a lot of power. 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def is a fine spread but you won't outrun everything up to Choice Scarf Terrakion at +2, lose and loses out on Choice Scarf Kyogre and other base 90s at +2. Taunt can be used with a bulky spread, but Mega Gyarados is still relatively bulky without bulk investment anyway.

    Set Details
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    Intimidate is the recommended ability in order to maximize Gyarados's bulk while using Dragon Dance and gives give it more setup opportunities. It also helps Gyarados's role as a team player. Moxie is great for sweeping teams which that sacrifice something to bring in their Gyarados check. You don't have to Mega Evolve instantly, sometimes you want to keep the Gyarados's ability and typing, such as against Blaziken. Mold breaker Breaker is a near useless ability in Ubers, but it helps breaks Lugia's Multiscale and the rare Gastrodon Gastrodon's Storm Drain. Maximum Attack is used, as Gyarados's STABs STAB moves are disappointingly weak despite that its high Attack. Max Speed outruns everything up to Shaymin-S after a Dragon Dance with Adamant, while with Jolly, you it can outrun Mega Mewtwo-Y and Rash Deoxys-A.

    Usage Tips
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    Intimidate and Flying-type's great resistances and immunity to Earthquake (eh, you already mentioned the resistances, this is unecessary) are great for setting up. After Mega Evolution Mega-Evolving, Gyarados gains more unfortunate weaknesses, and will no longer be able to check Blaziken and Lucario. Gyarados is 1 point in base speed Speed faster than normal Blaziken, so you can outrun it before or on the turn Blaziken Mega Evolves or against normal Blaziken. It is likely Blaziken will use Protect first on that turn, allowing you to act accordingly. Gyarados can use its type change for a free Dragon Dance as Mega Gyarados. For example, Gyarados can switch into in on Landorus-T and Mega Evolve Mega-Evolve to take laughable damage from Stone Edge. Mega Gyarados can survive Thunders from if it has full health, so use that chance to grab another boost if you desperately need it. Not even Life Orb Mewtwo's Aura Sphere can OHKO minimal bulk Mega Gyarados after Stealth Rock damage. A +2 Earthquake OHKOes Kyogre and Palkia after Stealth Rock damage so you can grab another boost as they come in to try and Thunder you if you are you're feeling ballsy. Simply spamming attacks from start can be great to weaken down foes such as Groudon. Support Groudon can't really destroy Gyarados quickly, so wear it down first before attempting a sweep. Rain boosts Gyarados's power, and is greatly appreciated but not necessary because Kyogre shares some unfortunate weaknesses with Gyarados. Mega Gyarados is one of the bulkiest sweepers so use that to your advantage. It can tank a hit from things hits such as Dialga's Draco Meteor and KO back with a boosted Earthquake. Mega Gyarados is immune to Psytrike so you can play around Mewtwo. Even if the opponent predicts well and uses Aura Sphere, you can survive and take out Mewtwo with a boosted Bite or Waterfall. Iron Head is your best move against Xerneas but does not provide much coverage. Mega Gyarados can outrun and almost OHKO Rock Arceus and Ground Arceus after a boost, same case with Ground Arceus, something other physical sweepers such as Mega Kangaskhan can't boast about. Gyarados also has no problem destroying Ho-Oh, although switching in directly will can be very risky.

    Team Options
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    Stealth Rock is great to wear for wearing down opponents. Defog support helps Gyarados live as long as possible since it lacks recovery. Excadrill makes a great partner to use for using Rapid Spin, setup setting up Stealth Rock and fire firing off Earthquakes to weaken threats such as Ferrothorn and Dialga. Defog support is also useful but Gyarados enjoys Stealth Rock on the opponent's side of the field as well. Landorus-T forms a nice core with Gyarados, and beats Zekrom. If Landorus-T uses Earth Plate, it also has a chance to OHKO Zekrom and Dialga. Ho-Oh can switch in on potential Will-O-Wisps and destroys destroy Ferrothorn, Skarmory and other Steel-types. Heal Bell and Aromatherapy helps support help Gyarados to remove by removing status issues such as random burns from Scald.

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    Dragon Dance Gyarados can also use Life Orb over Gyaradosite but it will be usually outclassed by more powerful threats such as Rayquaza. The reason to use offensive Mega Gyarados is that its great bulk and flexibility in type change. A Choice Band and or Choice Scarf can be used with Moxie to dish out good damage but is too slow and weak for a Choice Scarf.

    Checks & Counters
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    Regular Gyarados and Mega Gyarados can have different checks and counters but they both share an Electric-type weakness.

    **Zekrom**: Zekrom can switch in easily on Waterfall and Taunt, while threatening back with Bolt Strike, OHKOing every Gyarados variant, as Gyarados will never switch in directly to Intimidate Zekrom before attempting a daring Mega Evolution. Repeated Toxic and repeated Dragon Tails and Toxic can be annoying. Earthquake from Mega Gyarados will OHKO at +1 but Choice Scarf Zekrom can outspeed and OHKO it first.

    **Groudon**: Groudon's Drought weakens Offensive offensive Gyarados and can phaze it out with Dragon Tail. Roar variants are stopped by Taunt and Groudon can't really take out Gyarados quickly. Defensive Gyarados can shrug off Stone Edge with Intimidate and Toxic Groudon while Mega Gyarados doesn't care about support Groudon's attack attacks. Earth Plate Groudon can overpower Mega Gyarados with Earthquake, but as long as Intimidate cannot be isn't active.

    **Ferrothorn**: Gyarados cannot take out Ferrothorn easily with its standard moves, fearing and Ferrothorn fears (sounded like Gyarados was the one that feared Fire Blast) only the rare Fire Blast. Mega Gyarados hates taking Power Whips. However, Taunt however, forces causes Ferrothorn to lose if it doesn't carry Power Whip or lose. Leech Seed will also wear down non-Taunt variants of Gyarados.

    **Xerneas**: Xerneas can 2HKO Gyarados with Moonblast and has the bulk to take at least one attack. Physically defensive Xerneas walls Gyarados and does not fear Toxic. Taunt isn't a big issue as Moonblast does a lot of damage to Gyarados.

    **Dialga**: Dialga can fry regular Gyarados with Thunder while Earthquake from defensive Gyarados is only a 3HKO. However, Mega Gyarados however, easily survives 1 one Thunder, and a boosted Earthquake will destroy Dialga. Dialga must carry Thunder or risk getting walled completely by the Mega Gyarados Gyarados's RestTalk set.

    **Kyogre**: Kyogre can KO Gyarados with Thunder and isn't weak to Dragon Tail. Mega Gyarados lives can live one hit though, and a +2 Earthquake squashes frailer Kyogre variants. Defensive Kyogre can phaze out Offensive offensive Mega Gyarados once but fails to do anything significant outside of fishing for a Scald burn.

    **Electric Arceus**: Electric Arceus OHKOes normal Gyarados with Judgment. Keep in mind, even minimum bulk Mega Gyarados can survive a hit and OHKO with a +1 Earthquake at +1 50% of the time.

    **Fighting Arceus**: Fighting Arceus can survive a boosted Waterfall from Mega Gyarados and 2HKO with Judgment. Regular However, regular Gyarados however Toxics can Toxic, Taunts Taunt, and walls wall Fighting Arceus, as even a -1 Stone Edge doesn't do a lot.

    **Grass Arceus**: Grass Arceus can take on Gyarados with Grass Knot, hitting which hits Gyarados for 120 base 120 power. Mega Gyarados is also weak to Grass-type attacks. Resistance A resistance to Waterfall means that Grass Arceus has nothing to fear from Offensive offensive Gyarados except for the rare Bounce. Toxic from defensive Gyarados can cripple Grass Arceus, but Grass Arceus will still likely win in the struggle as Grass Knot will 3HKO at worst.

    **Yveltal**: Yveltal can Taunt defensive Gyarados first, and slowly KO with Foul Play or just use Oblivion Wing to recover off everything damage. Keep in mind that Mega Gyarados defeats can defeat Yveltal with Stone Edge, so keep that in mind. The additional Special Defense and resistance to Foul Play means that Yveltal is stopped by Mega Gyarados instead of stopping it.

    **Scizor**: Mega Scizor has huge Defense and is able to 2HKO Mega Gyarados with U-turn. It can heal off damage with Roost but Taunt stops will prevent that. Regular Gyarados completely walls Scizor.

    **Revenge Killer Killers**: Mega Gengar can come in on regular Gyarados and take it out with Thunderbolt. Palkia can Thunder Gyarados for the OHKO, but fails against Mega Gyarados, who can grab another boost and smash Palkia with Earthquake. Dragon Tail also hits Palkia for super-effective damage however. Mega Lucario can outrun and OHKO Mega Gyarados with Close Combat, but regular Gyarados beats it. Shaymin-S can 2HKO every Gyarados variant with Seed Flare, but Stone Edge will take it down. Mewtwo OHKOes regular Gyarados with Thunder but cannot beat Mega Gyarados reliably, as Aura Sphere doesn't 2HKO.

    **Entry Hazards**: Generally Gyarados generally lacks reliable recovery, so repeated attacks can will eventually take it down, although the RestTalk set can heal off damage pretty well. Regular Gyarados is also weak to Stealth Rock.
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    Overview
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    While Gyarados is an uncommon Pokemon in Ubers, its unique typing and access to Intimidate give it a niche. Despite its unimpressive Defense stat, Intimidate goes a long way in helping Gyarados check threats such as Ho-Oh, Blaziken, and Lucario, the former two being very prominent threats in the tier.

    Gyarados also gets a Mega Evolution this generation. Although the typing change might seem unfortunate, it does have its uses. The greater number of weaknesses that came along with Dark-typing sucks, but Mega Gyarados also gains useful resistances to Psychic- and Dark-type attacks and some much needed extra bulk. If you are not a fan of defensive Gyarados, Mega Gyarados can take on an offensive route and become one of the bulkiest sweepers in the game, as even even with uninvested defenses, monstrous threats such as Kyogre can never OHKO Mega Gyarados without Choice Specs, even after Stealth Rock damage. Access to Taunt is a blessing, as it lets Gyarados run over most defensive Pokemon. In addition, Gyarados isn't affected much by the weather nerf as it doesn't rely on weather to function, unlike former threats such as Kingdra.


    Defensive
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    name: Defensive
    move 1: Waterfall
    move 2: Taunt
    move 3: Dragon Tail / Roar
    move 4: Toxic / Earthquake
    ability: Intimidate ( Mold Breaker )
    item: Leftovers / Gyaradosite
    nature: Impish
    evs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD

    Moves
    =========

    This set is the standard Gyarados set, and it aims to check dangerous threats such as Blaziken while still having utility in Taunt and either Dragon Tail or Roar. Waterfall is Gyarados's best STAB move, as it hits Ho-Oh and Blaziken for good damage. Taunt is a great move in Ubers, preventing threats such as Arceus from boosting and shutting down defensive pokemon including Defog Skarmory and Scizor. Taunt also stops Aegislash from using Toxic and King's Shield. Roar phazes opponents, and Fairy-types aren't immune to it. Dragon Tail is a good option for chip damage and using Gyarados's respectable Attack stat. However, Dragon Tail invites Xerneas to switch in for free. Earthquake hits Aegislash, Dialga and Lucario for major damage. Keep in mind this Gyarados set is rather weak. Earthquake also hits unsuspecting Mega Gengar switch ins, but Thunderbolt will be an easy OHKO although it is a rare move.

    Aqua Tail can be used over Waterfall but it can miss and loses the 20% flinch chance. Fire Blast surprises Ferrothorn and Forretress, easily 2HKOing both in neutral weather. Rest helps to recover fast and remove status, and is best used when paired with a cleric such as Blissey, Sylveon, or Xerneas. Sylveon is usually best as it can pass Wishes too. Protect helps to scout and grant some recovery. Thunder Wave can be used over Toxic to stop fast threats such as Darkrai, Choice Scarf Kyogre, Mewtwo, and others.

    Set Details
    =========

    Intimidate is the key to this set's success. It not only helps buff Gyarados's Defense, but it also supports the team overall. Defensive Gyarados is weak and does not carry any offensive pressure, and as such should be not be used on offensive teams. This set beats Blaziken relatively well while also checking Ho-Oh, although burns and Life Orb Brave Birds will be a 2HKO if Stealth Rock is up. It can also check Extremekiller Arceus, Rayquaza and other Swords Dance Arceus formes such as Bug and Ground once. Maximum Defense is required to reduce damage from Blaziken, Ho-Oh, Arceus and other threats as much as possbile. Gyaradosite is an option to reduce Knock Off damage and gain significant bulk, but Gyarados will no longer have Intimidate and certain useful resistances.

    76 Speed EVs can be used to outrun slow base 90s such as Groudon and Giratina so you can move before they can set up Stealth Rock or burn you. More Speed can help to outrun defensive Xerneas, but it is usually not worth losing the bulk. If you want an offensive Gyarados with Taunt, the Dragon Dance set is a better choice.

    Usage Tips
    =========
    This set is best used in defensive and balanced teams that need a check to Lucario, Blaziken, and a shaky check to Ho-Oh. Taunt annoys defensive Pokemon such as Blissey, Skarmory and Scizor. Intimidate is very useful, so you should feel free to switch Gyarados in on physical attackers whenever you need to weaken them. However, be wary of Gyarados's weakness to Stealth Rock, so a teammate that can remove hazards is much appreciated.


    Team Options
    =========

    Ferrothorn pairs up nicely with Gyarados in terms of synergy, and it also sets up hazards. Dialga resists Thunder and beats Kyogre and Palkia, and it appreciates Gyarados's immunity to Ground and resistance to Fighting. Excadrill can spin away Stealth Rock and shares perfect type synergy with Gyarados. Groudon can form a physically defensive core with Gyarados, and Drought makes Thunder inaccurate at the cost of Waterfall's power. These Ground-types can also beat Zekrom. Offensive Groudon and Excadrill can defeat Rock Arceus, whom can 2HKO Gyarados with Judgment. Blissey and Sylveon can use Heal Bell and pass Wishes, and have good special bulk. Aegislash is a great partner to beat Xerneas and it has great Special Defense to support Gyarados.


    Utility
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    name: Mega RestTalk
    move 1: Rest
    move 2: Sleep Talk
    move 3: Waterfall
    move 4: Dragon Tail
    ability: Intimidate ( Mold Breaker )
    item: Gyaradosite
    nature: Careful
    evs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 spD

    Moves
    ========

    This set gives Gyarados the ability to check threats repeatedly, and can Mega Evolve after it's are done with checking Blaziken and Lucario. After Mega Evolving, Gyarados gains extra bulk. The increase in bulk allows Gyarados to avoid the 2HKO from Choice Scarf Kyogre's Water Spout and take on Yveltal. Mega Gyarados is also not 2HKOed by Mega Mewtwo Y's Aura Sphere and is immune to Psytrike, a move that would normally 2HKO standard Gyarados.

    Waterfall is the best STAB move and it takes out Blaziken, Ho-Oh, Rock Arceus, Ground Arceus and Excadrill. Waterfall also uses Gyarados's good Attack stat which is further boosted by Mega Evolving. Dragon Tail is the preferred phazing move as it bypasses Taunt, and is a useful move to phaze out Yveltal and others. Dragon Tail also lands a solid hit on Dragon-types such as Palkia, Rayquaza, and Kyurem. The EV spread gives the best overall bulk. 16 SpD EVs get a jump point while the rest are maxed out into Def and HP. With Intimidate, normal Gyarados can check the standard threats it is supposed to check and only Mega Evolve when the time is right such as when it needs to cushion a huge hit and Intimidate is no longer needed. For example, Mega Gyarados survives Choice Scarf Zekrom's Bolt Strike 100% of the time with Intimidate.

    Keep in mind that Gyarados only has 1/3 chance to phaze while asleep. This set can lure Fairy Arceus and Xerneas in and spam their STABs, but luckily, repeated Waterfalls can easily wear down offensive Xerneas. Fairy Arceus doesn't hit as hard and can be beaten with teammates who resist Fairy-type moves such as Ho-Oh. Rest gives Gyarados much needed recovery, and with the new sleep mechanics, it is a great way to cure off status and recover. This also lets Gyarados switch in freely in on Scalds, random Lava Plumes such as from Groudon, and Sacred Fire.

    Set Details
    ========

    Defensive Mega Gyarados plays similarly to Kyogre, but checks different threats. Ghost- and Dark-type resistances are useful for tanking attacks from Ghost Arceus and Darkrai. However, Focus Blast hits you for super-effective damage. Fortunately, Focus Blast rarely hits more than 3 times in a row and has low PP. Stone Edge can be used if you want to OHKO Ho-Oh and 2HKO Yveltal. Earthquake crushes Dialga and Gyarados can survive even a Choice Specs Draco Meteor. Earthquake has the added bonus of hitting Aegislash and Zekrom. You can completely wall Aegislash without Sacred Sword as Rest removes poison.

    If you prefer regular Gyarados's resistances and consistent Intimidate ability instead, use a spread of 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD for maximum physical bulk. It lets Gyarados check powerful physical threats such as Blaziken, Lucario, and Ho-Oh, while keeping it healthy with Rest.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    You have to pick the right time to Mega Evolve Gyarados. Knock Off from Blaziken fails to KO Gyarados even after Stealth Rock because it wont be boosted. Once Mega Evolved, Gyarados becomes essentially a mixed tank, able to stave off hits such as Choice Specs Kyogre's Surf and Arceus's Judgment. Intimidate can also let you check Ho-Oh, Groudon, Mega Charizard X, and Arceus. Groudon's -1 Stone Edge fails to 2HKO Gyarados. If you choose to Mega Evolve then you can easily tank it, but keep in mind that makes you vulnerable to Earthquake the next switch in, especially from the Earth Plate variants.

    Even with base 155 Attack, don't expect Gyarados to hit hard. Waterfall still hits decently hard against less bulky threats such as Genesect and Offensive Yveltal but it barely scratches Arceus and defensive Groudon.

    Team Options
    ========

    Aegislash is a solid partner as it helps beat Xerneas, a major threat to this set. Sylveon is a great partner, it provides Wish support to Gyarados, while beating Palkia with Hyper Voice. Xerneas with Aromatherapy can wake Gyarados up immediately and beats up most Dragon-types with Moonblast. Gastrodon helps wall Choice Specs Kyogre and non-Choice Specs Palkia. It can also come in on Bolt Strike or Thunder for free while spamming Scald, which can easily annoy would-be counters to Gyarados and Gastrodon such as Ferrothorn. Ho-Oh can phaze Xerneas once and defeat Ferrothorn and Skarmory. In return, Gyarados can take on Rock Arceus fairly well, especially with the increased bulk of this set.


    Mega Dragon Dance
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    name: Mega Dragon Dance
    move 1: Dragon Dance
    move 2: Taunt
    move 3: Waterfall
    move 4: Earthquake / Stone Edge / Bite
    ability: Intimidate ( Mold Breaker )
    item: Gyaradosite
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    Moves
    ========

    Offensive Gyarados finally got some use in Ubers thanks to its Mega Evolution. This Gyarados can easily set up Dragon Dance and has a chance at sweeping. Taunt is the main move as it that move separates Gyarados from other sweepers. Waterfall is Gyarados's main STAB move, and it has a bonus 20% chance to flinch and never misses. Aqua Tail can be used for more power but has a risky 10%
    miss chance. Earthquake is a great coverage move as it destroys Aegislash, Lucario, Dialga, Zekrom, and is your best move against Ferrothorn. Mold Breaker Earthquake also hits Bronzong and Gengar for super effective damage. Bite is a weak STAB move but it OHKOes Mewtwo after a Dragon Dance, and packs a great 30% flinch chance. Bite also takes out Giratina forms without resorting to Outrage. Stone Edge destroys Ho-Oh in any weather, breaks through Lugia's Multiscale, and is your best move against Yveltal and Kyurem. Taunt can be used if you want to avoid status from defensive threats such as Arceus. Substitute can also stop status but it does not prevent Roar and Whirlwind from working. Ice Fang OHKOes Rayquaza but it is otherwise nearly useless.

    The EV spread can be changed accordingly. HP and Special Defense can be maxed out, but Gyarados will lose a lot of power. 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def is a fine spread but you won't outrun everything up to Choice Scarf Terrakion at +2, and loses out on Choice Scarf Kyogre and other base 90s at +2. Taunt can be used with a bulky spread, but Mega Gyarados is still relatively bulky without investment anyway.

    Set Details
    ========

    Intimidate is the recommended ability in order to maximize Gyarados's bulk while using Dragon Dance and give it more setup opportunities. It also helps Gyarados's role as a team player. Moxie is great for sweeping teams that sacrifice something to bring in their Gyarados check. You don't have to Mega Evolve instantly, sometimes you want to keep Gyarados's ability and typing, such as against Blaziken. Mold Breaker is a near useless ability in Ubers, but it helps breaks Lugia's Multiscale and the rare Gastrodon's Storm Drain. Maximum Attack is used, as Gyarados's STAB moves are disappointingly weak despite its high Attack. Max Speed outruns everything up to Shaymin-S after a Dragon Dance with Adamant, while with Jolly, it can outrun Mega Mewtwo-Y and Rash Deoxys-A.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Intimidate and Flying-type's great resistances are great for setting up. After Mega-Evolving, Gyarados gains more unfortunate weaknesses, and will no longer be able to check Blaziken and Lucario. Gyarados is 1 point in base Speed faster than normal Blaziken, so you can outrun it before or on the turn Blaziken Mega Evolves or against normal Blaziken. It is likely Blaziken will use Protect first on that turn, allowing you to act accordingly. Gyarados can use its type change for a free Dragon Dance as Mega Gyarados. For example, Gyarados can switch in on Landorus-T and Mega-Evolve to take laughable damage from Stone Edge. Mega Gyarados can survive Thunders if it has full health, so use that chance to grab another boost if you desperately need it. Not even Life Orb Mewtwo's Aura Sphere can OHKO minimal bulk Mega Gyarados after Stealth Rock damage. A +2 Earthquake OHKOes Kyogre and Palkia after Stealth Rock damage so you can grab another boost as they come in to try and Thunder you if you're feeling ballsy. Simply spamming attacks from start can be great to weaken down foes such as Groudon. Support Groudon can't really destroy Gyarados quickly, so wear it down first before attempting a sweep. Rain boosts Gyarados's power, and is greatly appreciated but not necessary because Kyogre shares some unfortunate weaknesses with Gyarados. Mega Gyarados is one of the bulkiest sweepers so use that to your advantage. It can tank hits such as Dialga's Draco Meteor and KO back with a boosted Earthquake. Mega Gyarados is immune to Psytrike so you can play around Mewtwo. Even if the opponent predicts well and uses Aura Sphere, you can survive and take out Mewtwo with a boosted Bite or Waterfall. Iron Head is your best move against Xerneas but does not provide much coverage. Mega Gyarados can outrun and almost OHKO Rock Arceus and Ground Arceus after a boost, something other physical sweepers such as Mega Kangaskhan can't boast. Gyarados also has no problem destroying Ho-Oh, although switching in directly can be very risky.

    Team Options
    ========

    Stealth Rock is great for wearing down opponents. Defog support helps Gyarados live as long as possible since it lacks recovery. Excadrill makes a great partner for using Rapid Spin, setting up Stealth Rock and firing off Earthquakes to weaken threats such as Ferrothorn and Dialga. Defog support is also useful but Gyarados enjoys Stealth Rock on the opponent's side of the field as well. Landorus-T forms a nice core with Gyarados, and beats Zekrom. If Landorus-T uses Earth Plate, it also has a chance to OHKO Zekrom and Dialga. Ho-Oh can switch in on potential Will-O-Wisps and destroy Ferrothorn, Skarmory and other Steel-types. Heal Bell and Aromatherapy support help Gyarados by removing status issues such as random burns from Scald.

    Other Options
    =========
    Dragon Dance Gyarados can use Life Orb over Gyaradosite but it will be usually outclassed by more powerful threats such as Rayquaza. The reason to use offensive Mega Gyarados is its great bulk and flexibility in type change. A Choice Band or Choice Scarf can be used with Moxie to dish out good damage but is too slow and weak for a Choice Scarf.

    Checks & Counters
    =========

    Regular Gyarados and Mega Gyarados can have different checks and counters but they both share an Electric-type weakness.

    **Zekrom**: Zekrom can switch in easily on Waterfall and Taunt, while threatening back with Bolt Strike, OHKOing every Gyarados variant, as Gyarados will never switch in directly to Intimidate Zekrom before attempting a daring Mega Evolution. Toxic and repeated Dragon Tails can be annoying. Earthquake from Mega Gyarados will OHKO at +1 but Choice Scarf Zekrom can outspeed and OHKO it first.

    **Groudon**: Groudon's Drought weakens offensive Gyarados and can phaze it out with Dragon Tail. Roar variants are stopped by Taunt and Groudon can't really take out Gyarados quickly. Defensive Gyarados can shrug off Stone Edge with Intimidate and Toxic Groudon while Mega Gyarados doesn't care about support Groudon's attacks. Earth Plate Groudon can overpower Mega Gyarados with Earthquake as long as Intimidate isn't active.

    **Ferrothorn**: Gyarados cannot take out Ferrothorn easily with its standard moves, and Ferrothorn fears only the rare Fire Blast. Mega Gyarados hates taking Power Whips. However, Taunt causes Ferrothorn to lose if it doesn't carry Power Whip. Leech Seed will also wear down non-Taunt variants of Gyarados.

    **Xerneas**: Xerneas can 2HKO Gyarados with Moonblast and has the bulk to take at least one attack. Physically defensive Xerneas walls Gyarados and does not fear Toxic. Taunt isn't a big issue as Moonblast does a lot of damage.

    **Dialga**: Dialga can fry regular Gyarados with Thunder while Earthquake from defensive Gyarados is only a 3HKO. However, Mega Gyarados easily survives one Thunder, and a boosted Earthquake will destroy Dialga. Dialga must carry Thunder or risk getting walled completely by Mega Gyarados's RestTalk set.

    **Kyogre**: Kyogre can KO Gyarados with Thunder and isn't weak to Dragon Tail. Mega Gyarados can live one hit though, and a +2 Earthquake squashes frailer Kyogre variants. Defensive Kyogre can phaze out offensive Mega Gyarados once but fails to do anything significant outside of fishing for a Scald burn.

    **Electric Arceus**: Electric Arceus OHKOes normal Gyarados with Judgment. Keep in mind, even minimum bulk Mega Gyarados can survive a hit and OHKO with a +1 Earthquake 50% of the time.

    **Fighting Arceus**: Fighting Arceus can survive a boosted Waterfall from Mega Gyarados and 2HKO with Judgment. However, regular Gyarados can Toxic, Taunt, and wall Fighting Arceus, as even a -1 Stone Edge doesn't do a lot.

    **Grass Arceus**: Grass Arceus can take on Gyarados with Grass Knot, which hits Gyarados for 120 base power. Mega Gyarados is also weak to Grass-type attacks. A resistance to Waterfall means that Grass Arceus has nothing to fear from offensive Gyarados except for the rare Bounce. Toxic from defensive Gyarados can cripple Grass Arceus, but Grass Arceus will still likely win as Grass Knot will 3HKO at worst.

    **Yveltal**: Yveltal can Taunt defensive Gyarados first, and slowly KO with Foul Play or just use Oblivion Wing to recover off damage. Keep in mind that Mega Gyarados can defeat Yveltal with Stone Edge. The additional Special Defense and resistance to Foul Play means that Yveltal is stopped by Mega Gyarados instead of stopping it.

    **Scizor**: Mega Scizor has huge Defense and is able to 2HKO Mega Gyarados with U-turn. It can heal off damage with Roost but Taunt will prevent that. Regular Gyarados completely walls Scizor.

    **Revenge Killers**: Mega Gengar can come in on regular Gyarados and take it out with Thunderbolt. Palkia can Thunder Gyarados for the OHKO, but fails against Mega Gyarados, who can grab another boost and smash Palkia with Earthquake. Dragon Tail also hits Palkia for super-effective damage. Mega Lucario can outrun and OHKO Mega Gyarados with Close Combat, but regular Gyarados beats it. Shaymin-S can 2HKO every Gyarados variant with Seed Flare, but Stone Edge will take it down. Mewtwo OHKOes regular Gyarados with Thunder but cannot beat Mega Gyarados reliably, as Aura Sphere doesn't 2HKO.

    **Entry Hazards**: Gyarados generally lacks reliable recovery, so repeated attacks will eventually take it down, although the RestTalk set can heal off damage pretty well. Regular Gyarados is also weak to Stealth Rock.
    EDIT: Melee Mewtwo, sorry, it was a subjective change and the functional difference never occured to me. I'll remove that.

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    Um it bothers me to change to soft sand because the plates are better due to blocking Normal Arceus Tricks (CB) . Putting soft sand makes it sound like it's actually a thing which it shouldn't.
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    Iirc, it's not the plates that are preventing Trick, it's Multitype.

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