Gyarados

[Lord Outrage]

QC: 3/3
GP: 2/2
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[OVERVIEW]

Mega Gyarados has carved a niche for itself in this metagame thanks to Mold Breaker, which is excellent against users of Multiscale, Sturdy, and Magic Bounce and thus makes it an answer to defensive teams. It's also decent versus hyper offensive teams because it works as a secondary check to Primal Groudon and Ghost Arceus, having access to Intimidate and a Ground immunity before Mega Evolving. Finally, its decent 95 / 109 / 130 bulk and sheer physical power given by a base 155 Attack stat greatly help it fulfill its duties. However, Mega Gyarados is vulnerable to Xerneas and Mega Salamence, both very popular Pokemon. It also removes the possibility of running Mega Salamence, which is much better against hyper and bulky offensive teams. Lastly, it does not contribute to the defensive synergy of the team outside of checking offensive Ghost Arceus and some variants of Primal Groudon; it even has to be cautious of the latter's Lava Plume.

[SET]
name: Offensive Dragon Dance
move 1: Crunch
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Dragon Dance
item: Gyaradosite
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Crunch is used as Mega Gyarados's main STAB move because it hits a lot of Pokemon for neutral or super effective damage. Earthquake is mainly used to hit Primal Groudon and Klefki hard as well as anything that resists Crunch. Taunt is useful to avoid status moves and phazing and to stop Xerneas from setting up. Lastly, Dragon Dance boosts Mega Gyarados's Attack and Speed, making it an even more threatening Pokemon.

Set Details
========

Maximum Attack EVs are used to deal maximum damage even without a boost. An Adamant nature is needed to OHKO Lugia and 2HKO defensive Arceus formes at +2 with Crunch. Maximum EVs in Speed allow Mega Gyarados to outspeed Darkrai and Shaymin at +1. Running a Jolly nature is an option to outspeed Mega Gengar and Mewtwo at +1. Intimidate should be used as the initial ability because it provides utility versus hyper offense. Lastly, Mold Breaker as a post-Mega Evolution ability helps Mega Gyarados break through common abilities such as Magic Bounce, Multiscale, and Sturdy.

Usage Tips
========

When playing against a stall team, make sure to bring Gyarados in safely without letting it get hit by a status move. Furthermore, never use Dragon Dance until an opposing Sableye has Mega Evolved because its base forme has Prankster and Will-O-Wisp. When playing against a hyper offensive team, it's not easy to sweep with Mega Gyarados because of how common Xerneas and Mega Salamence are on these teams, so just save it to check Primal Groudon and offensive Ghost Arceus. Against Primal Groudon, try playing around Lava Plume and Thunder Wave instead of directly switching Mega Gyarados into it.
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Team Options
========

Mega Gyarados shines on balanced and bulky offensive teams. It should be paired with solid Xerneas checks such as Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, and Klefki, as well as solid Mega Salamence checks such as defensive Arceus formes. It's very important that other team members cover Mega Gyarados's weakness to hyper offensive and bulky offensive teams, as Mega Gyarados can only take care of stall and some balanced teams. Finally, Extreme Killer Arceus performs well versus offense and Mega Gyarados takes care of its checks, such as Giratina, Lugia, and Ghost Arceus.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=========

Using Ice Fang over Earthquake is a decent option to beat Mega Salamence, and Mega Gyarados will still be able to break stall teams with Taunt and Mold Breaker; however, this makes it weak to Klefki. Aqua Tail can be used to OHKO Ho-Oh and Mega Diancie without any boost as well as Ground Arceus at +1. However, do note that even with Mold Breaker, Aqua Tail doesn't bypass Desolate Land.

Checks and Counters
==============

**Xerneas**: Xerneas resists Crunch, while Earthquake is not powerful enough to defeat it. Xerneas will then proceed to KO Mega Gyarados with Moonblast.

**Mega Salamence**: Mega Salamence is bulky enough to take hits from Mega Gyarados, especially after cutting its Attack with Intimidate. It can then set up because it's faster than Mega Gyarados and proceed to hit it really hard.

**Grass Arceus and Fairy Arceus**: Both Grass Arceus and Fairy Arceus completely wall Mega Gyarados and 2HKO it with STAB Judgment.

**Klefki**: Klefki cripples Mega Gyarados with priority Thunder Wave and thus stops its sweep. Mega Gyarados can KO it with Earthquake, though.

**Offensive Teams**: While Gyarados is a secondary Primal Groudon check, it can't really switch into anything else.

 

[Freeroamer]

I thought I had till Thursday to get this up but apparently not huh!

 

[Lord Outrage]

No you can do it if you want, I didn't notice you reserved because our tls are lazy and didn't update the title
also u can use what i did already in yours why not :O u are bae

 

[Freeroamer]

Nah it's fine man, was only messing haha saves me a job tonight, no point us both writing similar stuff about a mon that doesn't have much to write home about anyway! For what it's worth this looks p cool, I'd mention ekiller is an awesome teammate in particular seeing as Gyara manhandles common ekiller checks(some fat arcs, gira, Lugia etc.) while ekiller improves matchup vs offense and can use the holes Gyara creates to its advantage(weakening Xern forced to take EQ's etc.)

 

[benbe]

ferro is no counter in my opinion. definitely doesnt wall and rape Big gyara hehe. they dont have Defense investment in uber and crunch does good damage. you can force 50 / 50 if you are +1 with taunt and crunch vs their leech / whip. i dont think whip does more than 70, some dont even carry it. should be adamant too, i dont think you outspeed anything except maybe mewtwos? idk. also mention ice arceus as a good Partner !

 

[Lord Outrage]

It should be jolly or otherwise mega gengar outspeeds and mewtwos

 

[Lord Outrage]

also please qc members it's a small analysis stop johning me .-.

 

[Nayrz]

**Ferrothorn**: walls it, and totally rape it if it has power whip.

cmon. i edited that out but if shit like that makes it into the writeup i will not be as forgiving.

i assume the majority of this will be expanded on writeup? lots of important info missing (what mold breaker does for its effectiveness - passes bounce, sturdy and multiscale) and that sorta thing. i'll look over it again once its written to check up on this. just remember that the reader may not be as experienced as you or qc members so explanation is always warranted - just dont overdo it and make it patronizing.

adamant deserves at least a slash if not first slash. ohkoing lugia and 2HKOing supportceus at +2 is too hard to pass up - gyarados's offensive matchup isnt exactly amazing so making it better at its intended role is a valuable trade. ferrothorn isnt as big of a check as you expect, +1 crunch 2hkos it while power whip does 81% max if its even running it. if it gets intimidated by regular gyarados beforehand then its an easy win.

QC 1/3

 

[Freeroamer]

Don't even mention waterfall in other options, it's absolute trash and should never ever be used. If I need to explain then consider: you're always using Taunt and DD because that is the niche here, Waterfall with any other move provides pretty disgusting coverage. Fall+EQ leaves you walled by Mence, Gira-O, Lati now takes a hit from you etc. Fall+Crunch means you need loads of prior on Pdon and can't hit it at all in base forme when you wanna keep ground immunity and Intim for late game. EQ only has 20 less BP on neutral targets when STAB is considered so yeah... If you want an option to hit Xern and fill out OO then use Iron Head/Tail.

Adding on to Ada vs Jolly arguments, Jolly Max doesn't outspeed Ada Ray(287 vs 289) and therefore fails to beat any Arceus/Lugia that isn't a shit unEVed ladder variant meaning you can't Taunt them and therefore you can only really set up on Bliss/Sableye on classic stall without being crippled. It also means Jolly is only good for matchups vs Gengar, Mewtwo and rly fast 90s(neutral natured 90s need 184 Speed EVs to outspeed Max Ada Gyara) so I'd probs go Adamant with a mention of Jolly in details.

 

[Lord Outrage]

cmon. i edited that out but if shit like that makes it into the writeup i will not be as forgiving.

Chill m8, It's just the skeleton and It's not my first analysis I already did 3.

QC 1/3

 

[Sweep]

mention somewhere that mold breaker waterfall / aqua tail does not bypass primal weather

i agree with nayrz re: ferrothorn, it's so shaky that i wouldn't even mention it at all in the checks & counters section

qc 2/3

 

[trickroom]

Finally, people realized how stronk this Mega Fish can be. It can tank a +2 Sludge Bomb Darkrai, Dragon Dance on it and OHKO. Mence just dies !_! Aqua Tail also lets you OHKO Ground Arceus at +1.

I think you should mention Gyarados can check Ghost Arceus. +1 Crunch OHKOes.

+1 252 Atk Arceus-Ghost Brick Break vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 214-254 (64.6 - 76.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[Lord Outrage]

QC: 2/3. Thanks guys.
Text will be up today.

 

[dice]

talked on ps. 3/3

gp team have fun.

 

[Haund]

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[OVERVIEW] (titles can be unbolded huh)

Mega Gyarados has carved a niche for itself in this metagame. In fact, thanks to Mold Breaker, (AC) which is excellent against users of Multiscale, Sturdy, and Magic bounce, giving and gives it a niche against an answer to (or whatever, just avoid repeating niche again) defensive teams. It's Mega Gyarados is also decent versus hyper offensive teams because it works as a secondary Primal Groudon check and as a Ghost Arceus check, abusing it's pre-evolution ability having access to Intimidate and initial a Ground immunity before Mega Evolving. Finally, its decent 95 / 109 / 130 bulk (95/109/130) and shear sheer physical offensive power given by a base 155 Attack (155), (RC) greatly helps it fulfill its duties.
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However, It's Mega Gyarados is weak to Xerneas and Mega Salamence, both very popular Pokemon. It also makes the user suffer from the opportunity cost of not removes the possibility of running Mega Salamence, who which is way better versus hyper and bulky offensive teams. Lastly, it does not contribute to the defensive synergy of the team outside of checking offensive Ghost Arceus and some variants of Primal Groudon; (SC) it even has to be cautious from of Lava Plume against the latter.

[SET]

name: Offensive Dragon Dance
move 1: Crunch
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Dragon Dance
item: Gyaradosite
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Crunch is used as the main STAB move because it hits a lot of Pokemon in Ubers for neutral or super effective damage. Earthquake is mainly used to hit Primal Groudon and Klefki hard as well as anything that resists Crunch. Taunt is useful to avoid status moves, phazing, and to stop Xerneas from setting up. Lastly, Dragon Dance is to boosts its Mega Gyarados's Attack and Speed, making it an even more threatening Pokemon and increase its threat.

Set Details
========

Maximum Attack EVs are used to cause maximum damage even without a boost. An Adamant nature is used needed to OHKO Lugia and 2HKO defensive Arceus formes at +2 using Crunch. Maximum EVs in Speed will allow it Mega Gyarados to outspeed Darkrai and Shaymin at +1. Running a Jolly nature is an option to outspeed Mega Gengar and Mewtwo at +1. Intimidate should be used as an the initial ability because it provides defensive synergy (don't personally like this used in this case) versus hyper offense. Lastly, Mold Breaker as a post-Mega Evolution ability to helps it break threw through opposing pokemon abilities and mainly common abilities such as Magic Bounce, Multiscale, and Sturdy.

Usage Tips
========

When playing against a stall team, make sure to switch it bring Gyarados in safely without risking being hit by a status move. Also Furthermore, never use Dragon Dance until an opposing Sableye is has Mega Evolved because it has Prankster ability and Will-O-Wisp. When playing against a hyper offensive team, it's not easy to sweep with it Mega Gyarados because of how common Xerneas and Mega Salamence are on these teams, (AC) so just save it to check Primal Groudon and offensive Ghost Arceus. Against Primal Groudon, try playing around Lava Plume and Thunder Wave instead of directly switching it Mega Gyarados into it.
Team Options
========

Mega Gyarados shines on balanced and bulky offensive teams. It should be paired with solid Xerneas checks like Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, and Kelfki, (AC) as well as a solid Mega Salamence checks (such as?). It's very important that other team members put in work versus cover Mega Gyarados's weakness to hyper offensivee and bulky offensivee, (AC) as since Mega Gyarados will can take care of stall and some balanced teams. Finally, Extreme Killer should be considered as a possible partner because it does well versus offense. Also, and Mega Gyarados takes care of its checks, such as Giratina, Lugia, and Ghost Arceus Ghost.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=========

Using Ice Fang over Earthquake is a decent option especially against Mega Salamence, (AC) and Mega Gyarados will still be able to break stall teams with Taunt and Mold Breaker; (SC) however, it this makes Gyarados it weak to Klefki. Aqua Tail could can be used too since it to OHKO Ho-Oh and Mega Diancie without any boost as well as Ground Arceus at +1. However, Mold Breaker Aqua Tail doesn't bypass Primal weather.
Checks and Counters
==============

**Xerneas**: It Xerneas resists Crunch, (AC) while Earthquake is not powerful enough to annoy it. Xerneas will then proceed to kill KO Mega Gyarados with Moonblast.

**Mega Salamence**: It's Mega Salamence bulky enough to take hits especially after using Intimidate versus Mega Gyarados, it can set up since because it's faster, and it hits it really hard.

**Grass Arceus and Fairy Arceus**: Both Grass Arceus and Fairy Arceus completely wall Mega Gyarados it and kill KO it with STAB Judgment.

**Klefki**: It Klefki cripples Mega Gyarados with priority Thunder Wave and stops it's its sweep. Mega Gyarados kills can KO it with Earthquake, (AC) though.

**Offensive Teams**: While Gyarados is a secondary Primal Groudon check, it can't really switch in into anything else.

 

[Lord Outrage]

Implemented. Thanks Haund.

 

[Empress]

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[OVERVIEW]

Mega Gyarados has carved a niche for itself in this metagame thanks to Mold Breaker, which is excellent against users of Multiscale, Sturdy, and Magic bounce Bounce and thus gives it an answer to defensive teams. It's also decent versus hyper offensive teams because it works as a secondary Primal Groudon check and as a to Primal Groudon and Ghost Arceus check, having access to Intimidate and a Ground immunity before Mega Evolving. Finally, its decent 95 / 109 / 130 bulk and sheer physical power given by a base 155 Attack stat greatly help it fulfill its duties. (remove line break) However, Mega Gyarados is weak to Xerneas and Mega Salamence, both very popular Pokemon. It also removes the possibility of running Mega Salamence, which is way much better against hyper and bulky offensive teams. Lastly, it does not contribute to the defensive synergy of the team outside of checking offensive Ghost Arceus and some variants of Primal Groudon; it even has to be cautious of the latter's Lava Plume against the latter.

[SET]
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name: Offensive Dragon Dance
move 1: Crunch
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Dragon Dance
item: Gyaradosite
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Crunch is used as the Mega Gyarados's main STAB move because it hits a lot of Pokemon for neutral or super effective damage. Earthquake is mainly used to hit Primal Groudon and Klefki hard as well as anything that resists Crunch. Taunt is useful to avoid status moves, (RC) and phazing, (RC) and to stop Xerneas from setting up. Lastly, Dragon Dance boosts Mega Gyarados's Attack and Speed, making it an even more threatening Pokemon.

Set Details
========

Maximum Attack EVs are used to cause deal maximum damage even without a boost. An Adamant nature is needed to OHKO Lugia and 2HKO defensive Arceus formes at +2 using Crunch. Maximum EVs in Speed allow Mega Gyarados to outspeed Darkrai and Shaymin at +1. Running a Jolly nature is an option to outspeed Mega Gengar and Mewtwo at +1. Intimidate should be used as the initial ability because it provides utility versus hyper offense. Lastly, Mold Breaker as a post-Mega Evolution ability helps it Mega Gyarados break through common abilities such as Magic Bounce, Multiscale, and Sturdy.

Usage Tips
========

When playing against a stall team, make sure to bring Gyarados in safely without being letting it get hit by a status move. Furthermore, never use Dragon Dance until an opposing Sableye has Mega Evolved because its base forme has Prankster and Will-O-Wisp. When playing against a hyper offensive team, it's not easy to sweep with Mega Gyarados because of how common Xerneas and Mega Salamence are on these teams, so just save it to check Primal Groudon and offensive Ghost Arceus. Against Primal Groudon, try playing around Lava Plume and Thunder Wave instead of directly switching Mega Gyarados into it.

Team Options
========

Mega Gyarados shines on balanced and bulky offensive teams. It should be paired with solid Xerneas checks like such as Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, and Kelfki, as well as solid Mega Salamence checks such as defensive Arceus formes. It's very important that other team members cover Mega Gyarados's weakness to hyper offensive and bulky offensive teams, as Mega Gyarados can only take care of stall and some balanced teams. Finally, Extreme Killer Arceus performs should be considered as a possible partner because it does well versus offense and Mega Gyarados takes care of its checks, such as Giratina, (Did you mean Giratina-O?) Lugia, and Ghost Arceus.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=========

Using Ice Fang over Earthquake is a decent option especially against to beat Mega Salamence, and Mega Gyarados will still be able to break stall teams with Taunt and Mold Breaker; however, this makes it weak to Klefki. Aqua Tail can be used to OHKO Ho-Oh and Mega Diancie without any boost as well as Ground Arceus at +1. However, Mold Breaker Aqua Tail doesn't bypass Primal weather Desolate Land (Primordial Sea helps it, if anything, right?).

Checks and Counters
==============

**Xerneas**: Xerneas resists Crunch, while Earthquake is not powerful enough to annoy defeat it. Xerneas will then proceed to KO Mega Gyarados with Moonblast.

**Mega Salamence**: Mega Salamence is bulky enough to take hits from Mega Gyarados, especially after using cutting its Attack with Intimidate. It versus Mega Gyarados, it can then set up because it's faster than Mega Gyarados, (RC) and it proceed to hits it really hard.

**Grass Arceus and Fairy Arceus**: Both Grass Arceus and Fairy Arceus completely wall Mega Gyarados and (OH?)KO it with STAB Judgment.

**Klefki**: Klefki cripples Mega Gyarados with priority Thunder Wave and thus stops its sweep. Mega Gyarados can KO it with Earthquake, though.

**Offensive Teams**: While Gyarados is a secondary Primal Groudon check, it can't really switch into anything else.

Haund ilysm
GP 1/2

 

[Lord Outrage]

Done, thanks Snobalt.
GP: 1/2

 

[Lumari]

i must check gyarados

also don't forget to unbold those headers please !_!

remove add / fix (comments); (AC=add comma; RC=remove comma; SC=semicolon)
GP 2/2

gyarados

[OVERVIEW]

Mega Gyarados has carved a niche for itself in this metagame thanks to Mold Breaker, which is excellent against users of Multiscale, Sturdy, and Magic Bounce and thus gives makes it an answer to defensive teams. It's also decent versus hyper offensive teams because it works as a secondary check to Primal Groudon and Ghost Arceus, having access to Intimidate and a Ground immunity before Mega Evolving. Finally, its decent 95 / 109 / 130 bulk and sheer physical power given by a base 155 Attack stat greatly help it fulfill its duties. However, Mega Gyarados is weak vulnerable (cannot really be "weak" to opposing Pokemon) to Xerneas and Mega Salamence, both very popular Pokemon. It also removes the possibility of running Mega Salamence, which is much better against hyper and bulky offensive teams. Lastly, it does not contribute to the defensive synergy of the team outside of checking offensive Ghost Arceus and some variants of Primal Groudon; it even has to be cautious of the latter's Lava Plume.

[SET]
name: Offensive Dragon Dance
move 1: Crunch
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Dragon Dance
item: Gyaradosite
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Crunch is used as Mega Gyarados's main STAB move because it hits a lot of Pokemon for neutral or super effective damage. Earthquake is mainly used to hit Primal Groudon and Klefki hard as well as anything that resists Crunch. Taunt is useful to avoid status moves and phazing and to stop Xerneas from setting up. Lastly, Dragon Dance boosts Mega Gyarados's Attack and Speed, making it an even more threatening Pokemon.

Set Details
========

Maximum Attack EVs are used to deal maximum damage even without a boost. An Adamant nature is needed to OHKO Lugia and 2HKO defensive Arceus formes at +2 using with Crunch. Maximum EVs in Speed allow Mega Gyarados to outspeed Darkrai and Shaymin at +1. Running a Jolly nature is an option to outspeed Mega Gengar and Mewtwo at +1. Intimidate should be used as the initial ability because it provides utility versus hyper offense. Lastly, Mold Breaker as a post-Mega Evolution ability helps Mega Gyarados break through common abilities such as Magic Bounce, Multiscale, and Sturdy.

Usage Tips
========

When playing against a stall team, make sure to bring Gyarados in safely without letting it get hit by a status move. Furthermore, never use Dragon Dance until an opposing Sableye has Mega Evolved because its base forme has Prankster and Will-O-Wisp. When playing against a hyper offensive team, it's not easy to sweep with Mega Gyarados because of how common Xerneas and Mega Salamence are on these teams, so just save it to check Primal Groudon and offensive Ghost Arceus. Against Primal Groudon, try playing around Lava Plume and Thunder Wave instead of directly switching Mega Gyarados into it.
(space)
Team Options
========

Mega Gyarados shines on balanced and bulky offensive teams. It should be paired with solid Xerneas checks such as Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, and Kelfki Klefki, as well as solid Mega Salamence checks such as defensive Arceus formes. It's very important that other team members cover Mega Gyarados's weakness to hyper offensive and bulky offensive teams, as Mega Gyarados can only take care of stall and some balanced teams. Finally, Extreme Killer Arceus performs well versus offense and Mega Gyarados takes care of its checks, such as Giratina, Lugia, and Ghost Arceus.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=========

Using Ice Fang over Earthquake is a decent option to beat Mega Salamence, and Mega Gyarados will still be able to break stall teams with Taunt and Mold Breaker; however, this makes it weak to Klefki. Aqua Tail can be used to OHKO Ho-Oh and Mega Diancie without any boost as well as Ground Arceus at +1. However, do note that even with Mold Breaker, (AC) Aqua Tail doesn't bypass Desolate Land.

Checks and Counters
==============

**Xerneas**: Xerneas resists Crunch, while Earthquake is not powerful enough to defeat it. Xerneas will then proceed to KO Mega Gyarados with Moonblast.

**Mega Salamence**: Mega Salamence is bulky enough to take hits from Mega Gyarados, especially after cutting its Attack with Intimidate. It can then set up because it's faster than Mega Gyarados and proceed to hit it really hard.

**Grass Arceus and Fairy Arceus**: Both Grass Arceus and Fairy Arceus completely wall Mega Gyarados and 2HKO it with STAB Judgment.

**Klefki**: Klefki cripples Mega Gyarados with priority Thunder Wave and thus stops its sweep. Mega Gyarados can KO it with Earthquake, though.

**Offensive Teams**: While Gyarados is a secondary Primal Groudon check, it can't really switch into anything else.

 

[Lord Outrage]

GP: 2/2.
Done.