[Gym Qualifiers] - Water: August 11th

Dogfish44

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Examiner's Pool:
Candidates are encouraged to look over the Pokemon in the pool. If you notice any errors, please let us know.

Hange (-)

Nature: Quiet
+1 SpA, Speed / 1.15, -10% Eva

Type: Ice / Flying

Abilities: Pressure / Snow Cloak [Hiddden]

Stats:
HP: 100
Atk: 3
Def: 4
SpA: 4 [+]
SpD: 5
Spe: 73 [-]
Size Class: 4
Weight Class: 4
Base Rank Total: 21

EC: N/A
MC: 0
DC: 5/5

Attacks [73]:
Aerial Ace
Agility
Air Cutter
Ancient Power
Avalanche
Bide
Blizzard
Bubble Beam
Confide
Curse
Defog
Detect
Double-Edge
Double Team
Endure
Extrasensory
Facade
Fly
Freeze-Dry
Frost Breath
Frustration
Giga Impact
Gust
Hail
Haze
Heal Bell
Hidden Power Grass
Hurricane
Hyper Beam
Ice Beam
Ice Shard
Icy Wind
Mimic
Mind Reader
Mist
Mud-Slap
Natural Gift
Ominous Wind
Peck
Pluck
Powder Snow
Protect
Rage
Rain Dance
Razor Wind
Reflect
Rest
Return
Roar
Rock Smash
Roost
Round
Sandstorm
Secret Power
Sheer Cold
Signal Beam
Sky Attack
Sky Drop
Sleep Talk
Snore
Steel Wing
Substitute
Sunny Day
Swagger
Swift
Tailwind
Take Down
Toxic
Twister
U-turn
Water Gun
Water Pulse
Whirlwind

Armin (M)

Nature: Quiet
+1 SpA, Speed / 1.15, -10% Eva

Type: Electric

Abilities: Levitate

Stats:
HP: 100
Atk: 4
Def: 3
SpA: 5 [+]
SpD: 3
Spe: 43 [-]
Size Class: 4
Weight Class: 4
Base Rank Total: 19

EC: 9/9
MC: 0
DC: N/A

Attacks [71]:
Acid
Acid Spray
Acrobatics
Aqua Tail
Attract
Bind
Bounce
Brick Break
Charge Beam
Coil
Confide
Crunch
Crush Claw
Cut
Discharge
Double Team
Dragon Claw
Dragon Tail
Drain Punch
Facade
Fire Punch
Flamethrower
Flash
Flash Cannon
Focus Punch
Frustration
Gastro Acid
Giga Drain
Giga Impact
Grass Knot
Headbutt
Hidden Power Ice
Hone Claws
Hyper Beam
Ion Deluge
Iron Tail
Knock Off
Light Screen
Magnet Rise
Power-Up Punch
Protect
Rain Dance
Rest
Return
Roar
Rock Slide
Rock Smash
Rock Tomb
Round
Secret Power
Shock Wave
Signal Beam
Sleep Talk
Snore
Spark
Strength
Substitute
Super Fang
Superpower
Swagger
Tackle
Thrash
Thunder
ThunderPunch
Thunder Wave
Thunderbolt
Toxic
U-Turn
Volt Switch
Wild Charge
Zap Cannon

Mikasa (F)

Nature: Jolly
+15% Speed, +10% Acc, -1 SpA

Type: Grass / Ghost

Abilities: Forewarn / Telepathy [Hidden]

Stats:
HP: 100
Atk: 5
Def: 4
SpA: 2 [-]
SpD: 5
Spe: 94 [+]
Size Class: 3
Weight Class: 3
Base Rank Total: 23

EC: 6/6
MC: 0
DC: 5/5

Attacks [73]:
Absorb
Attract
Bind
Calm Mind
Confide
Covet
Curse
Cut
Double Team
Dream Eater
Energy Ball
Facade
Flash
Forest's Curse
Frustration
Future Sight
Giga Drain
Giga Impact
Grass Knot
Gravity
Hex
Hidden Power Ice
Horn Leech
Hyper Beam
Infestation
Ingrain
Knock Off
Leaf Blade
Leaf Storm
Leer
Natural Gift
Nature Power
Nightmare
Ominous Wind
Pain Split
Payback
Poison Fang
Power Whip
Protect
Psych Up
Psychic
Rest
Return
Round
Secret Power
Seed Bomb
Shadow Ball
Shadow Claw
Shadow Sneak
Sketch [Bolt Strike]
Skill Swap
Sleep Talk
Snatch
Snore
Solar Beam
Spite
Stone Edge
Substitute
Sunny Day
Super Fang
Swagger
Swift
Synthesis
Telekinesis
Thief
Thunder Fang
Torment
Toxic
Toxic Spikes
Trick
Vine Whip
Will-O-Wisp
Worry Seed

Erwin (M)

Nature: Brave
+1 Atk, Speed / 1.15, -10% Eva

Type: Grass / Poison

Abilities: Overgrow / Chlorophyll [Hidden]

Stats:
HP: 100
Atk: 4 [+]
Def: 3
SpA: 4
SpD: 4
Spe: 69 [-]
Size Class: 4
Weight Class: 4
Base Rank Total: 20


Type: Grass / Poison

Abilities: Overgrow / Chlorophyll [Hidden] / Thick Fat

Stats:
HP: 100
Atk: 5 [+]
Def: 5
SpA: 5
SpD: 5
Spe: 69 [-]
Size Class: 5
Weight Class: 5
Base Rank Total: 25


EC: 9/9
MC: 0
DC: 5/5

Attacks [92]:
Amnesia
Ancient Power
Attract
Bide
Bind
Block
Body Slam
Bulldoze
Bullet Seed
Captivate
Charm
Confide
Curse
Cut
Defense Curl
Dig
Double-Edge
Double Team
Earthquake
Echoed Voice
Endure
Energy Ball
Facade
False Swipe
Flash
Frenzy Plant
Frustration
Fury Cutter
Giga Drain
Giga Impact
Grass Knot
Grass Pledge
Grass Whistle
Grassy Terrain
Growl
Growth
Headbutt
Hidden Power Fire
Hyper Beam
Ingrain
Knock Off
Leaf Storm
Leech Seed
Light Screen
Magical Leaf
Mega Drain
Mimic
Mud-Slap
Natural Gift
Nature Power
Outrage
Petal Blizzard
Petal Dance
Poison Powder
Power Whip
Protect
Rage
Razor Leaf
Razor Wind
Reflect
Rest
Return
Roar
Rock Climb
Rock Smash
Rock Throw
Round
Safeguard
Secret Power
Seed Bomb
Skull Bash
Sleep Powder
Sleep Talk
Sludge
Sludge Bomb
Snore
Solar Beam
Strength
String Shot
Substitute
Sunny Day
Swagger
Sweet Scent
Swords Dance
Synthesis
Tackle
Take Down
Toxic
Venoshock
Vine Whip
Weather Ball
Worry Seed

Levi (M)

Nature: Modest
+1 SpA, -1 Atk

Type: Electric / Poison

Abilities: Storm Drain / Vital Spirit / Telepathy [Hidden]

Stats:
HP: 90
Atk: 1 [-]
Def: 5
SpA: 6 [+]
SpD: 4
Spe: 100
Size Class: 7
Weight Class: 9
Base Rank Total: 22

EC: 6/6
MC: 0
DC: 5/5

Attacks [57]:
Acid
Aqua Tail
Attract
Block
Clear Smog
Confide
Cross Poison
Cut
Dazzling Gleam
Discharge
Double Team
Eerie Impulse
Electroweb
Encore
Facade
Flash Cannon
Frustration
Gastro Acid
Giga Impact
Gunk Shot
Haze
Hidden Power Grass
Hyper Beam
Ion Deluge
Parabolic Charge
Poison Sting
Poison Tail
Protect
Psychic
Psyshock
Psywave
Rain Dance
Rest
Return
Round
Secret Power
Shock Wave
Signal Beam
Sleep Talk
Sludge Bomb
Sludge Wave
Snore
Splash
Substitute
Supersonic
Swagger
Taunt
Thunder
Thunder Shock
Thunder Wave
Thunderbolt
Toxic
Venoshock
Water Pulse
Wide Guard
Wild Charge
Zen Headbutt


Water Qualifiers

This thread is for the qualifiers for the Water gym. The date for the start of the qualifiers is August 11th, 2016. The format for the qualifiers will be doubles. The examiner will be Dogfish44.

Each candidate for the gym will fight against the examiner, a user chosen by the gym committee. After the battles end, the candidate that the committee judges played best will become the new leader. Note that the committee has the right to choose no candidate, should they find nobody suitable.

Format said:
  • 3v3 Singles
    • Gym candidates may bring up to 3 extra Pokemon.
    • The examiner's Pokemon will be chosen from their pool. The same Pokemon will be brought to each match in the qualifiers.
  • The examiner will send out first.
  • 2 recoveries / 5 Chills per Pokemon
  • Items = On
  • Abilities = All
  • Switch = OK
  • Megas = 1
  • Subs = 3
  • ASB Arena
  • Soft DQ: 3 Days
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Signups will be ongoing until the start of the qualifiers.

Candidates:
SubwayJ [Confirmed!]
Chinchou111 [Confirmed]
 
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Frosty

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ETA for the qualifiers will be posted soon depending on the answer to the following question:

singles or doubles?

Toon
S0L1D G0LD

And yes we decided not to wait for a third candidate any longer on this qualifier.
 
Maxim

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I'll take it, I'm finishing up a thing atm but I should have the round up within about an hour, probably a little bit more.
 
Frosty

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no one to subref it :<?

c'mon toon refs this entire forum, someone should return him the favor and make him miss draco meteor -_-
 
JJayyFeather

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I'll take it.

Also, it probably gets no attention because not many people unnecessarily follow/watch Gym Quals Threads.

EDIT @ Below: Go ahead
 
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Someone ought to hate me for all eternity for this.

join the club
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Battle-wise you were possibly the one with the best performance. Although not by much and there were many reasons for that, but I won't dwell in those details.
The problem is: as of the last round, you got the following very troublesome pointers:
a) Your average time to order (I am ignoring time to point out mistakes) is around 80 hours. Given that 72h is the DQ limit you basically average as a john. To give you some perspective, Ooraloo's average was 17.2 and Toon's average was 20.44.
b) You passed DQ 5 times during this battle (95h, 151h, 275h, 199h and 72h3') with many times avoiding that by less than 5 hours. Toon passed DQ once and Ooraloo didn't pass DQ at all.
c) You posted 4 LoAs during the battle. To be more specific:
c.1) August 28th "I will be slightly less active over the next few days". On the following days you weren'to to order, so no DQ passing occured here.
c.2) September 20th "I would greatly appreciate an extra day or two of leniency.". You got 8 days of leniency -_-.
c.3) October 4th "This week in particular looks to be busier than the rest for me, so I'm going to need another 1 - 1+1/2 days for my tournament obligations.". During that period you weren't to order, so no DQ passing occured here.
c.4) November 15th "My internet is a bit worse than normal lately. While I'm not necessarily asking for more time, if I've been a bit slow this is why, and I apologize for it.". Your next (and last) DQ occured 14 days after that, so I will consider it not justified.
The point? none of your LoAs justified the 5 times you passed DQ.
d) This one is the worst. On September 12 you said "and I don't intend to touch dq again". And on the following order you took almost 12 days and 9 days on the one after that.

My conclusion: You can't be trusted with a Gym leadership right now.

I mean, I am truly sorry for the harshness of said conclusion. As Leethoof would love to say to you, I am all for giving extra chances. If you didn't have a past history or if your LoAs coincided with your DQ-passing, I would possibly reconsider the matter. But you were kicked from the gym due to terrible activity and this battle does absolutely nothing to prove that you won't follow the same route again. You had 5 DQ-Passings and 4 LoAs that fail to justify them on the slightest. You took your sweet time even rounds that were in theory easy (which isn't against the rules, but it is rubbing salt on an open wound -_-) Also, you say you won't pass DQ and then proceed to pass it twice (and really pass it, you passed the equivalent of 3 times it).

I made the mistake of recommending a john to a gym before. It failed. I won't make the same mistake again. So, again, I am sorry, but you are rejected. Feel free to try again on a different qual on a later notice. But only do so when you are capable of obeying the promises you make. On the plus side, you definitely have the skills to be a Gym leader without much hassle. Just work on your activity and you should be fine on any qualifier.

Ooraloo

- Team building was nice. I mean, your team was basically Toon's team with Gyarados (and lanturn>krilowatt), so it was probably one of those quals where teambuilding would be easy. Still, worth mentioning.
- Good and plain First Round.
- I can't help but think that this round was good for you more due to Dogfish choking than you pushing the envelop. I mean, there was a gap (lack of solarbeam) and you exploited it marvelously, so that is definitely a plus. But df did choke, so your accomplishment was slightly less impressive than the end result might indicate. Also, I feel I will repeat this commentary (regarding df, yas and me) some times during this analysis.
- I am not 100% sure switching to Volkraken vs Mega Venusaur was the best idea ever. In the end the results were...kinda disappointing. On the round you did the switch you lost your item and tied the damage race and on the following round you lost a good chunk of hp to deal...19hp of damage total? seems like a very "eh" result for a matchup you decided upon. Although to be fair it was Mega Venusaur.
- jjayy missed overgrow on Giga Drain. Thought it was worth mentioning.
- Gyarados doing work hahahah. The way it took down Eelektross (the most potentially dangerous of all mons due to terrific matchups control capabilities) and crippled Mega Venusaur (could have crippled more if the bounce hit) was really nice to see.
- Doing quals is for us involves a great deal of pressure. I mean, at first it may seem easy, we don't need to win. But ignoring self-esteem issues, the qual is as good as how well the examiner is doing. If the examiner ends up being backed in a corner with no hope of survival, there is the (understandable) tendency of both examiner and candidate not caring as much. Resulting on plays that, while subpar, can't be held against the person who made this. We saw this in all matches, thanks to Articuno. I mean, all qualifiers had the examiner in a pickle before Articuno, but its terrible terribleness just converted a "bad situation" into "let's just end this wreakage of a match". Which is hard to judge. Still, let us proceed.
- Your Greninja vs Articuno matchup had nice orders, but a good deal of...unexpectedness. I mean, why would I use a Ice-Combo? Rock Smash combo was far more dangerous. Why did I use Sky Attack when Avalanche would deal a good 4hp more damage? etc -_-. Yeah, you ended up being better here, but you could be even better. Splitting hairs I suppose though.
- Nice sub abuse on Venusaur vs Greninja.
- Last two rounds were on auto-pilot. There is nothing out of the ordinary on them, for the better or the worst.

The reading I get from your battle is basically "I managed to get the win early, so lets bring back the babies in one piece". Your read on matchups was good, the matchups control also. Gyarados was very well used and Volkraken poorly used in return. When greninja entered the fray the end-result was a foregone conclusion, thanks to Gyarados getting rid of Eelektross. The Bounce miss was unfortunate, but fortunate also, as it dimished the end-influence of the choke. Very good run overall.

Toon

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Team building was nice. I mean, your team was basically ToonOoraloo's team without Gyarados (and lanturn<krilowatt), so it was probably one of those quals where teambuilding would be easy. Still, worth mentioning.
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- Your first turn was definitely worse than ooraloo. Even though it wasn't bad per se.
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I can't help but think that this round was good for you more due to Dogfish choking than you pushing the envelop. I mean, there was a gap (lack of solarbeam countercoat subs) and you exploited it marvelously, so that is definitely a plus. But df did choke, so your accomplishment was slightly less impressive than the end result might indicate. Also, I feel I will repeat this commentary (regarding df, yas and me) some times during this analysis.
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- So...you needed to pick off a Venusaur with a mon that wouldn't be screwed over by Eelektross (and articuno, but it only affects like kingdra and ludicolos -_-). Greninja would be the natural pick, and yet you picked Volkraken fsr. I mean, if you picked Greninja and attacked with Shadow Sneak, while subbing "if endure then Swagger - Protect - Dive" and a sub for combos, you probably could have defeated venusaur without being touched and with a mon that would wreck Eelektross much better than Volkraken. Relying on hax? yes, but worst case scenario has venusaur doing much less to greninja than eelektross did to volkraken. Seems like a lost opportunity here. This seems minor, but that was a significant mistake.
- The Volkraken vs Eelektross matchup seems...funky. Well it was a nice way to get the job done. But it created an unnecessary mess IMO, given you could finish this in a much classier way with greninja.
- Mental note: punch yas for using hax to make my analysing job harder and for using substitute on an Infiltrator mon -_-.
- Kingdra taking down Articuno was indeed a nice view. but
I can't help but think that this round was good for you more due to Dogfish me choking than you pushing the envelop. I mean, there was a gap (lack of solarbeam countercoat terrible anti-disable subs) and you exploited it marvelously, so that is definitely a plus. But I did choke, so your accomplishment was slightly less impressive than the end result might indicate. Also, I feel I will repeat this commentary (regarding df, yas and me) some times during this analysis.
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You managed to exploit the mistakes of the examiners better than Ooraloo did. In the other hand, you were closer to defeat than Ooraloo. If yas did better with articuno (Roost+chill instead of substitute+hail basically but I will spare you that quote), you would end up in a more complicated situation. Still, given it is your first qualifier and that you are here for less time than ooraloo, it was certainly a very impressive result.

So let's get to business: The...special circunstances of this qualifier made them way harder to judge than others. Having more than one examiner and having all of them in bad irl situations made the overall performance of this side of the field much worse than what would be expected. Rookie mistakes were made by all three examiners and, while they are somewhat easy to detect and discard, they always leave a "what if" bitter taste. That being said, the end result is very elucidating. Toon got on a massive choke with countercoat (a sub that should be muscle memory on normal circunstances) and got rid of the most powerful (not potentially dangerous due to being predictable, but it is more durable and has more punch than eelektross) pokemon on the examiner's roster in one feel swoop. And still ended with a worse result than Ooraloo, who needed to face the full brunt of Venusaur's power, due to that miss. While that kingdra vs articuno matchup was better played than greninja vs articuno, Toon had the possibility of impending doom to motivate him (even at half hp, it was possible, albeit slightly unlikely, that articuno beat kingdra), whereas Ooraloo had the match on her bag already. Ooraloo showed a better arsenal with Gyarados as well as a better understanding of matchups control than Toon (her Volkraken vs Venusaur was better played than Toon's, for sure) and ended up with a better result even before whirlwind hax.

Because of that, Ooraloo is being awarded the Water Gym Leadership. Congratulations. Please PM us your arena asap.
 
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