Scarf has Stone Edge (which does more damage even uninvested) and SDef has Taunt to stop set up sweepersHP Rock should at least be mentionned on the Attacking Sets, netting a surprise KO on Talonflame, Charizard and Volcarona thinking that they would come and setup as they want is something that shouldn't be overlooked imo.
also dents Gyarados and Rotom H.
Not really. Bulky Assault Vest would be utter shit since it can't use any of its support moves. Offensive with AV would be ok, but Air Balloon is already so much better for switching into Pokemon such as Excadrill and that got rejected so...I think Heatran could make good use of an Assault Vest.
Excadrill got rejected?Not really. Bulky Assault Vest would be utter shit since it can't use any of its support moves. Offensive with AV would be ok, but Air Balloon is already so much better for switching into Pokemon such as Excadrill and that got rejected so...
Offensive BalloonTran got rejectedExcadrill got rejected?
Eruption forces Heatran into running a Quiet nature because it is an event move. This means that the highest Speed stat that it can have is 227 - something terrible for a Pokemon that wants to be atttacking as quickly as possible to maximize Eruption's power. Moreover, Fire Blast outdamages Eruption after Heatran has taken ~28% damage, meaning that you're better off just using Fire Blast anyway. It doesn't deserve a spot/mention in the Specs set and OO is as far as it should go.I think Eruption deserves a mention on the Specs set. It might force one to run a Quiet nature, but the power, THE POWER. I'll post calcs when I get home.
227 speed lets Heatran outspeed neutral uninvested base 95, which is most walls and would-be counters. Specs is meant to be used as a wall breaker anyway, so being outsped by certain pokemons isn't too much of a problem (in my opinion).Eruption forces Heatran into running a Quiet nature because it is an event move. This means that the highest Speed stat that it can have is 227 - something terrible for a Pokemon that wants to be atttacking as quickly as possible to maximize Eruption's power. Moreover, Fire Blast outdamages Eruption after Heatran has taken ~28% damage, meaning that you're better off just using Fire Blast anyway. It doesn't deserve a spot/mention in the Specs set and OO is as far as it should go.
The Spoiler tag is227 speed lets Heatran outspeed neutral uninvested base 95, which is most walls and would-be counters. Specs is meant to be used as a wall breaker anyway, so being outsped by certain pokemons isn't too much of a problem (in my opinion).
Comparing FB to Eruption (assuming 100% health, which is not too uncommon if you send it in early, or have hazard support + VoltTurn):
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 310-366 (43.4 - 51.2%) -- 60.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 228-268 (31.9 - 37.5%) -- 91.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Eruption (150 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0+ SpD Rotom-W: 173-204 (57 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 0+ SpD Rotom-W: 127-150 (41.9 - 49.5%) -- 25.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Notice that Heatran outspeeds standard Rotom-W (44 speed EVs)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Eruption (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Assault Vest Conkeldurr: 282-333 (80.3 - 94.8%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Assault Vest Conkeldurr: 208-246 (59.2 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Eruption (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Starmie: 231-272 (88.1 - 103.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Starmie: 169-200 (64.5 - 76.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Meaning Starmie can't spin away the rocks
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Eruption (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 161-189 (53.3 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 118-139 (39 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Meaning that Latias has to choose between Defogging the rocks (and sacing herself) or switch
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Eruption (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y in Sun: 267-315 (89.5 - 105.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y in Sun: 197-232 (66.1 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Notice how these are all "counters" to Heatran. For cleaners like Keldeo, removing or very severly damaging these mons can be the difference between a sweep and a lost battle. Therefore, I don't think it's completely useless.
Edit: Why can't I put the calcs in a spoiler tag '_'
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Why is this mentioned? It's not like bulky Waters are exactly weak, Slowbro is arguably the only Pokemon I can think of that fits the description of "bulky Water that is not doing enough damage to Heatran", but it has Slack Off anyway. Vaporeon and Rotom-W can hurt Heatran pretty bad and the former has clerical moves to basically shrug off Heatran's moves, Quagsire EQs the shit out of you, Suicune and CM Manaphy can just boost up until they hit you hard enough....Heatran can easily tank weak Water type attacks from Jellicent and other bulky Water types
Note that this doesn't mean that QC is tasked with rewriting entire sets and laying out every specific of an analysis. If a set is missing, it can be added later or in a separate thread.
Larger changes can always be submitted via revamps, partial revamps, or new sets for an analysis, if a change needs more eyes on it.