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Heracross (QC 3/3) (GP 3/2) ready

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Mizuhime, Aug 12, 2013.

  1. Mizuhime

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    Heraboss

    [Overview]

    <p>Although Heracross is often overlooked when team building, it has several advantages over many common Pokemon in the Doubles metagame. With an amazing offensive typing, a base 125 Attack stat paired with two 120 Base Power STAB moves, and an amazing ability, Heracross can easily be a top offensive threats. Though it hits really hard, it lacks speed. Only possessing a base 85 Speed stat is a problem that will always haunt Heracross. If you can use speed control moves such as Tailwind, Thunder Wave, and Icy Wind to help support it, Heracross will easily be the M.V.P of its team almost every game.</p>

    [SET]
    name: All Out Attacker
    move 1: Megahorn
    move 2: Close Combat
    move 3: Feint / Stone Edge
    move 4: Protect
    item: Bug Gem
    ability: Moxie
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross has one job and one job only, and that is to hit extremely hard. A Bug Gem boosted-Megahorn can OHKO a lot of Pokemon, such as Cresselia, 4 HP Kingdra, uninvested Politoed, and Tyranitar. If the Pokemon in question doesn't resist Megahorn, it will take major damage and might even get OHKOed. After picking up a KO by using one of the most powerful moves in the metagame in Megahorn, Moxie activates, giving Heracross an Attack boost to heighten the power of its already powerful attacks. Close Combat is used as Heracross's other STAB move, allowing it to hit Pokemon that resist Megahorn, such as Heatran and Ninetales, for heavy damage. Feint is used to help Heracross's partners, as it hits through Protect and makes the opposition vulnerable to another attack that turn. If Feint isn't appealing to you, however, Stone Edge can be used in the third moveslot; Stone Edge allows Heracross to hit Flying and Fire-type Pokemon that would otherwise be resistant or immune to its STAB combo, such as Chandelure and Volcarona, respectively. The final moveslot in this set goes to the most common move in Doubles, Protect: it is used to protect Heracross from Flying-type moves and powerful spread moves such as Rock Slide and Heat Wave while its partners dispose of the problem.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An alternate EV spread of 208 HP / 116 Atk / 48 SpD / 136 Spe can be used as well. It allows Heracross to survive hits such as a Choice Specs-boosted Thunderbolt from Thundurus-T and a Life Orb-boosted Draco Meteor from Kingdra. The Attack EVs give Heracross enough power to OHKO Calm Cresselia with 116 Defense EVs 93% of the time. Finally, Rock Slide can be used over Stone Edge to give Heracross a spread move; while it's not strong at first, after a boost or two from Moxie, Rock Slide becomes very powerful.</p>

    <p>Heracross's base 85 Speed stat can hinder it at times, which is why Pokemon who can control speed are great assets for it. Pokemon such as Thundurus, Togekiss, and Cresselia can not only control speed, but can also remove Flying- and Fighting-types, which allows Heracross to reach its full potential. Due to Heracross being an all-out physical attacker, Defiant Pokemon such as Torandous and Bisharp make for good partners. Defiant discourages Intimidate-users from switching in, as Intimidate will actually give these Pokemon a boost, making it easy to take care of them. Faster Pokemon, such as Latios and Rotom-W, can also be used to remove Intimidate-users in addition to threats such as Victini and Volcarona. Heracross can also be used on a rain team; not only does rain halve its weakness to Fire-type attacks, but due to its amazing offensive coverage it can manage to defeat many common threats to rain such as Abomanow, Tyranitar, Gastrodon, Ferrothorn, and Cresselia. Kingdra in the rain can also remove Pokemon that directly threaten Heracross.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Megahorn
    move 2: Close Combat
    move 3: Rock Slide / Stone Edge
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Moxie
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross doesn't always have to be reliant on its teammates to be faster than the opponent. Choice Scarf gives Heracross a much needed boost in the Speed stat, allowing it to outspeed every non-Choice Scarf Pokemon in the metagame. Megahorn and Close Combat are the two main moves of the set, both of which are base 120 STAB moves, meaning that Heracross can hit opposing teams extremely hard. The choice between Rock Slide and Stone Edge is a hard one. Rock Slide is a spread move that will hit both opponents and has a chance to flinch, whereas Stone Edge isn't blocked by Wide Guard and has more power. Earthquake is used in the last slot because it's another spread move that allows Heracross to hit Pokemon such as Toxicroak for super effective damage while hitting the opponents as well. The only downfall to Earthquake is that it runs the risk of hitting Heracross's teammate as well. Finally, it's worth mentioning that this Heracross variant CANNOT OHKO the standard Cresselia.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Follow Me and Rage Powder support will allow Heracross to live longer and take advantage of the free hits its partner will give it. Pokemon such as Jirachi, Togekiss, and Amoongus are all good teammates because of this. Helping Hand, a move that will boost the attacking power of Heracross, can also be used to further support it. Cresselia, Politoed, and Togekiss can all use this move to great effect. Intimidate is going to be a problem because Heracross relies so heavily on physical attacks, so Pokemon with the ability Defiant can be used to discourage Pokemon with Intimidate from switching in freely. Faster teammates such as Latios and Rotom-W can be used to remove Intimidate-users as well as Pokemon such as Victini and Volcarona. Just like before, being on a rain team is also a viable option for Heracross, as it helps directly threaten many Pokemon that are a problem to rain; Pokemon such as Abomasnow, Gastordon, Tyranitar, Rotom-W, and Cresselia can all be easily removed by it.</p>

    [OTHER OPTIONS]

    <p>There are many other interesting options that Heracross can put to use. Guts with a status orb is one of the main options, as it will instantly boost Herracross's Attack at the cost of residual damage. Night Slash and Pursuit can be used for a high critical hit chance and the ability to catch switching opponents, respectively. Bug Bite, while having half the power of Megahorn, can be used as a niche move to dispose of opponents' berries, such as Cresselia's Sitrus Berry or Chesto Berry. Swords Dance can be used as a boosting move for Heracross, but it's harder to pull off in the Doubles Metagame in comparison to singles. Heracross can also use a gimmicky combination in Endure, Salac Berry, and Reversal, giving it an extremely powerful STAB move, but be aware this would take a lot of support to pull off. Finally, Heracross can do more than attack: it can also support its teammates. Helping Hand is a option to help boost its teammates attacking power, and Sleep Talk can be used to make Heracross a sleep absorber, taking sleep-inducing moves from Pokemon such as Amoongus.</p>

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

    <p>Heracross's main problem comes in the form of Intimidate users. Hitmontop, Gyarados, Salamence, and Landorus-T are all problems that it doesn't like to face, with the latter three being able to come in and lower Heracross's Attack while resisting its dual STAB combination. Pokemon such as Thundurus and Togekiss that can paralyze it are also major issues. Heracross cannot afford to have its Speed be lowered.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that are immune or resist Heracross's STAB moves and can OHKO back are bad news. Heracross can't actually touch Jellicent and Chandelure if it doesn't have Stone Edge or Rock Slide. Pokemon such as Latios and Volcarona can outspeed Heracross and OHKO with one of their STAB moves. Toxicroak, being resistant to both of Heracross's STABs, can hard-wall any variant of Heracross that doesn't carry Earthquake. Priority-using Pokemon, such as Scizor and Breloom, can easily revenge kills Heracross after a couple of Defense drops. Any Pokemon carrying a Flying-type move has a reason to bring worry to Heracross. Crobat, Tornadus, Landorus, Togekiss, Hidden Power Flying Salamence and Thundurus can all OHKO Heracross without taking much damage. Finally, Pokemon such Dusknoir, Dusclops, and Sableye are all immune to Close Combat and don't take much from Megahorn; they can also burn Heracross and severely hinder its sweeping ability.</p>

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    [Overview]
    • Excellent Offensive typing
    • Bug Gem Megahorn hurts
    • Loves speed control
    • Intimidaters are lame



    [SET]
    name: All out attacker
    move 1: Megahorn
    move 2: Close Combat
    move 3: Feint / Stone Edge
    move 4: Protect
    item: Bug Gem
    ability: Moxie
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 Hp / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • It hits, really, really hard and Moxie gives it boosts every kill
    • Bug Gem Megahorn ohkos a lot of stuff. Cress, Kingdra, un invested toed
    • After koing someone, you get an attack boost so not losing any power after gem
    • Close Combat / Megahorn provice awesome STAB coverage
    • Feint allows you to stop protect, also gives you a psuedo priority move
    • Stone Edge can be used to hit Flying-type Pokemon, Feint is a better move on the set though
    • Protect
    • Adamant is preferred nature if your team has a way to control speed, Tailwind Twave, Icy Wind ect

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    • Heracross loves Tailwind support, and attacks be lured away, Togekiss is a baller
    • Thundurus is a pretty good teammate as well
    • Defiant Pokemon, Tornadous/Bisharp help handle intimidate
    • Cresselia helps deal with Fighting-types and Flying-types
    • so are all speed control Pokemon
    • Intimidate users are lame
    • 208 HP / 116 Atk / 48 SpD / 136 Spe - Lets you live things like Specs Thundurus Tbolt, LO Kingdra Draco and the Attack is just enough to OHKO calm Cresselia with less then 116 def evs
    • Rock Slide, though piss weak, can be used if you don't have teammates that can't pick up big kos.

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Megahorn
    move 2: Close Combat
    move 3: Rock Slide / Stone Edge
    move 4: Earthquake
    item : Choice Scarf
    ability : Moxie
    nature : Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 Hp / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    • This set isn't reliant on Speed control
    • Megahorn + Close combat are the only attacks really used
    • Rock Slide + Earthquake provide Spread move coverage allowing you to hit both opponents
    • max attack and speed obviously
    • Stone Edge can be used as a more powerful alternative to Rock Slide
    • no protect sucks, more exploited by fighting-types according to laga

    [ADDTIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Follow me / Rage Powder support allow Heracross to live longer
    • Cresselia + Togekiss can use helping hand to make Heracross hit harder
    • This set can't OHKO max/max Cresselia

    [OTHER OPTIONS]

    • Flame Orb + Guts
    • Pursuit
    • Night Slash
    • Bug bite (lool) if you don't like Megahorn accuracy/ EATS BERRIES BETTER LAGA
    • Helping Hand
    • Sleep Talk
    • Swords Dance
    • Double Edge
    • Endure, Salac Berry and Reversal

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

    • Intimidate users, Hitmontop, Landorus, Gyarados, Salamence
    • Thundurus, Togekiss, Pokemon that can paralyze Heracross
    • Ghost-types like Jellicent and Chandy
    • Latios + Latias
    • Flying-types Crobat, Tordnaous, Landy random HP Flying from Mence and Thundurus
    • Volcarona
    • Toxicroak
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  2. lucariojr

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    i think a bulkyier spread is worth mentioning in ac at the very least. 208 HP / 116 Atk / 48 SpD / 136 Spe allows hera to outspeed neutral 252 breloom, survive stuff like thund-t specs thunderbolt and kingdra LO dmeteor (cress also can't 2hko it reliably with psychic without a lot of spA), and just generally take hits better, which is important for when you wanna switch it in. attack is just enough to OHKO calm cresselias that use less than 116 def evs, but has a pretty decent chance of koing it if it runs a little more (ie, not 252/252 bold).
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    C&C:
    I would not call Latias a counter, as most don't even run a Psychic STAB, and it gets KOed by Megahorn easily.
    Mention Volcarona as "Volcarona (bar Rock moves)"

    AC of the first set: Mention Rock Slide, just for Volcarona and Flying types, which will take tons of damage if you are at +2 or something.

    SC of the scarf set: Mention that not having Protect is really hard for Heracross, as its weaknesses can be exploited by Flying types.

    SC/AC of scarf set: Spread explanations go in AC, not SC, so move the max atk and spe part to AC.

    Overview: I don't think Feint should be worthy of a mention in the Overview, as Heracross's main draw is offensive STAB coverage, not the just move Feint. Also, only one of the 2 sets have it on there, so I think an SC mention in the first set is enough.

    SC of the first set: Talk more about what Bug Gem-boosted Megahorn can do. It can OHKO Kingdra, uninvested Politoed, anything less bulky or weak to the move. Also talk about how Bug Gem works = boosted Megahorn usually kills something, then gets an identical boost from KOing something through its ability. Explain this process and why it is so deadly (+2 Hera WILL knock you out).

    OO: Bug Bite is dumb. | Night Slash > Pursuit. | Double-Edge will not hit anything its dual-STAB + Stone Edge / Rock Slide cannot, making Stone Edge / Rock Slide always a better option.
  4. Joim

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    I see you've added the changes, so here, have a stamp:
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    Consider adding Defiant users or Special Sweepers that can dissuade LANDORUS-T or Hitmontop from coming in to nerf Heracross. Thundurus is a good suggestion. Defiant Tornadus / Bisharp and Tailwind Latios / Rotom-W are other strong options. Tornadus would appreciate the strong STAB Megahorn and Close Combats to break through Cresselia and Steel- and Rock-types. Alternatively, Bisharp's Dark-type offense complements well with Heracross. Cresselia is a worthy partner, too, since Psyshock and Ice Beam can decimate Hitmontop / Landorus-T, while it can provide Speed control and Helping Hand. Worth noting that it pairs well with Rain, since Heracross can handle Abomasnow, Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Gastrodon, Cresselia, and Rotom-W, while Kingdra, etc can take care of Landorus-T. Rain also halves Heracross weakness to Fire.

    Yea, I dont think Latias / Latios should be listed in C&C, as Laga said. Flying-types, such as Tornadus, Thundurus, and Landorus, gives Heracross trouble, since they resist both of Heracross's STABs.

    Toxicroak can be added to C&C
  6. Mizuhime

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    Done everything but Latios is definitely in C&C. considering it outpseeds the main set without support, something that helps Heracross beat it's counter 1v1 Latios is always going to beat the main set.
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    Makes sense, just specify that they need to be faster (no Tailwind up, no Icy Wind speed drops, no Scarf set, etc) in the C&C section.

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    ...looks solid to me, at least
  8. Mizuhime

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    written and ready to be checked ^.^
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    Replace "well" with "while" n_n

    All Out Attacker
    - I'd replace Ghost-types with Fire-types that are immune / resistant to Close Combat, such as Volcarona and Chandelure.
    Change Thundurus to Thundurus-T
    typo

    Choice Scarf:
    typo
    This should go to AC, as it's a mostly inferior move. Which reminds me, you need an AC for the Scarf set. Simply move your EQ explanation and your teammate suggestions into AC.
    This sentence should go under set comments (1st para) of Choice Scarf

    Other Options:
    General status protection is worth noting imo

    Teammates:

    You didn't add some of the suggestions I listed here, namely:
    1. Latios / Rotom-W as alternative partners to eliminate Intimidate users. Extra bonus to Latios, who can set up Tailwind / paralyze with T-Wave and to Rotom-W, who can remove Jellicent, Chandelure, and Volcarona for Heracross.
    2. Worth noting that it pairs well with Rain, since Heracross can handle Abomasnow, Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Gastrodon, Cresselia, and Rotom-W, while Kingdra, etc can take care of Landorus-T. Rain also halves Heracross weakness to Fire.

    Checks and Counters:

    You can add Dusclops / Dusknoir who walls Heatran. Sableye can burn Moxie Heracross with Prankster Will-O-Wisp. Victini uses V-create. Scizor can do a number to Heracross with Technician Bullet Punch after some defense falls from Close Combat.
    Specify Landorus as Landorus-T
  10. Mizuhime

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    questioning some but implemented. Didn't change well to while couldn't find it to tired to
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    It's in AC of the Scarf set. First sentence.

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    My Bad, move the EQ description on the Choice Scarf set back to Set Comments :X


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    [Overview]

    <p>Although Heracross is often overlooked when team building, it has several advantages over many common Pokemon in the Doubles metagame. BetweenWith an amazing offensive typing, a base 125 Attack stat paired with two 120 BPase Power STAB moves, and an amazing ability, Heracross can easily be one of the top offensive threats in the tier. Though it hits like a truck, it lacks speed. BoastOnly possessing a base 85 Speed stat is a problem that will always haunt Heracross. IHowever, if your can use speed control moves such as Tailwind, Thunder Wave,
    (comma)
    and Icy Wind, to help support it, Heracross will easily be the M.V.P of your teamit almost every game.</p>

    [SET]
    name: All Out Attacker
    move 1: Megahorn
    move 2: Close Combat
    move 3: Feint / Stone Edge
    move 4: Protect
    item: Bug Gem
    ability: Moxie
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross has one job and one job only, and that is to hit extremely hard. Bug Gem B-(hyphen)boosted Megahorn can OHKO a lot of Pokemon such as Cresselia, 4 HP Kingdra, uninvested Politoed, Tyranitar, (comma) and the list goes on. If the Pokemon in question doesn't resist it, It's dealingMegahorn, it will take major damage and may even be anget OHKOed. After picking up a KO by using one of the most powerful moves in the metagame in Megahorn, Moxie activates and Heracross gets an Attack boost to heighten the power of its already powerful attacks. Close Combat is used as Heracross's other STAB move, allowing it to hit Pokemon that would resist Megahorn such as Heatran and Ninetales for heavy damage. Feint is used to help its partners, it stops pHeracross's partners, as it hits through Protect and makes the opposition Pokemon vulnerable to another attack that turn. If Feint isn't apealing to you, however, Stone Edge can be used in the 3rd move slot.; (semicolon) Stone Edge will allows Heracross to hit Flying-type and Fire-type Pokemon who would otherwise be resistant or immune to itHeracross's STAB combo, Likesuch as Chandelure and Volcarona, (comma) respectively. The final move on this set goes to the evermost common move in Doubles,: (colon) Protect. Protect is going to be used to protect Heracross from Flying-type moves and powerful spread moves likesuch Rock Slide and Heat Wave wellhile its partners dispose of the problem.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>TheHeracross's base 85 Speed stat can hinder Heracrossit at times, which is why Pokemon who can control speed makare great assets for it. Pokemon likesuch Thundurus, Togekiss, and Cresselia can not only control speed, but can also remove Flying,-(hyphen) and Fighting-types, which allow Heracross to reach it's full potential. Due to Heracross being a full -(hyphen)out physical attacker, Defiant Pokemon such as Torandous and BIsharp also make for good partners. Defiant discourages Intimidate using Pokemon from switching in without paying the price.-(hyphen)users from switching in, as Intimidate will actually give these Pokemon a boost, making it easy to take care of them. Faster Pokemon, such as Latios and Rotom-wW can also be used to remove Intimidate -(hyphen)abusers as well as threats such as Victini and Volcarona. Heracross can also be used on a rain team, as not only does itrain halfve its weakness to Fire-type attacks, (comma) but due to its amazing offensive coverage it can manage to defeat many common threats to rain, (comma) such as; Abomasnow, Tyranitar, Gastrodon, Ferrothorn, (comma) and Cresselia. Kingdra in the rain can also remove Pokemon that directly threaten itHeracross.</p>

    <p>An alternate EV spread of 208 HP / 116 Atk / 48 SpD / 136 Spe can be used as well. It allows Heracross to live hits such as a Choice Specs Thundurus-t Thunderbolt-(hyphen)boosted Thunderbolt from Thundurus-T and a Life Orb -(hyphen)boosted Draco Meteor from Kingdra. The Attack EVs are just enough so it allows Heracrossgives Heracross just enough power to OHKO a Calm Cresselia with 116 Defense EVs 93% of the time. Finally, (comma) Rock Slide can be used over Stone Edge for a spread move,to give Heracross spread move; (semicolon) though not as strong at first, after a boost or two from Moxie itRock Slide becomes a very powerful alternative.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Megahorn
    move 2: Close Combat
    move 3: Rock Slide / Stone Edge
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Moxie
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross idoesn't always have to be reliant on its teammates to be faster than the opponent. Choice Scarf gives Heracross a much needed boost in the Speed stat, (comma) allowing it to outspeed every non -(hyphen)Choice Scarfed Pokemon in the metagame. Megahorn and Close Combat are the two main moves of the set,; both of which athem are base 120 STAB move it allowss, (comma) meaning that Heracross tocan hit opposing teams extremely hard. Rock Slide and Stone Edge comes down to a choicThe choice between Rock Slide and Stone Edge is a hard one. Rock Slide is a spread move that will hit both opponents and givehas a chance to flinch, wellhereas Stone Edge isn't blocked by Wide Guard and has more power. Earthquake is going to be used in the last slot, because it's another spread move that allows Heracross to hit Pokemon likesuch Toxicroak for Ssuper Eeffective damage while hitting the other opponents as well. The only downfall to Earthquake is that you rit runs the risk of hitting Heracross's teammate as well. Finally it's worth mentioning that this Heracross variant CANNOT OHKO the standard Cresselia.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Follow mMee and Rage Powder support will allow Heracross to live longer and abuse the free hits it's partner will give it. Pokemon likesuch Jirachi, Togekiss, and Amoongus can all use a redirecting move such as thoseare all good partners because of this. Helping hand, a move that will boost the Aattacking power of Heracross, (comma) can also be used to further support it. Cresselia, Politoed, and Togekiss can all use this move to great effect. Intimidate is going to be a problem since Heracross relies so heavily on physical attacks, so Pokemon with the Aability Defiant can be used to discourage Pokemon with the abilityIntimidate from switching in freely. Faster teammates such as Latios and Rotom-wW can be used to remove intimidate -(hyphen)users as well as Pokemon likesuch Victini and Volcarona. Being on a rain team is also a viable option for Heracross as itHeracross helps directly threaten many Pokemon that are a problem to rain.; (semicolon) Pokemon likesuch Abomasnow, Gastordon, Tyranitar, Rotom-W, (comma) and Cresselia can all be easily removed by it. </p>

    [OTHER OPTIONS]

    <p>There are many other interesting options that Heracross can find its self using. Guts +with a status orb is one of the main options as it will instantly boost itHeracross's attack, but at the riskcost of residual damage. Night Slash orand Pursuit can be used asfor a high Ccritical Hhit chance and a movethe ability to catch switching opponents, (comma) respectively. Bug Bite, though half the power of Megahorn, (comma) can be used as a niche move to dispose of opponents berries, Cresselia'(apostrophe) berries; (semicolon) Cresselia'(apostrophe)s Sitrus or Chesto Berry comes to mind. Swords Dance can be used as a boosting move for Heracross, (comma) though it's harder to pull off in the Doubles Metagame. A gimmicky route can be used, Endure, Salac Berry, and Reversal can be used as compared to singles. Heracross can also use a gimmicky combination in Endure, Salac Berry, and Reversal, (comma) giving it an extremely powerful STAB move, but beware as this would take a lots of support to pull off. FIinally Heracross can do more than attack,: (colon) it can also support its teammates. Helping hHand is a option to help boost yourits teammates attacking power, wellhile Sleep Talk can be used as a statusto make Heracross into a Sleep absorber, as it would allow Heracross to easily dispose of Pokemon likeSpore-(hyphen)users, (comma) such as Amoonguss.</p>

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

    <p>Heracross's main problem comes in the form of Intimidate using Pokemon-(hyphen)users. Hitmonop, Gyarados, Salamence, and Landorus-t are all a problems that it doesn't like to face. Coming in and lowering it, (comma) the latter three being able to come in and lower Heracross's aAttack wellhile resisting it's dueal STAB isn't something that Heracross likes to deal with. Pokemoncombination. Pokemon such as Thundurus and Togekiss that can Pparalyze it also are the cause of a major issues. Not known for its amazing sSpeed stat, letting it become slower than it already is isn't good. Pokemon like Thundurus, Togekiss, and others that can reliably Paralize Heracross should be accounted forHeracross cannot afford to have its Speed be lowered.</p>

    <p>Pokemong that are immune to or resist Heracross's STAB moves and can OHKO back are bad news. Heracross can't actually touch Jellicent orand Chandelure if it doesn't have Stone Edge or Rock Slide. Pokemon likesuch Latios, and Volcarona can outspeed Heracross and OHKO it with one of their stabSTAB moves. Toxicroak, being resistant to both of Heracross's STABs can hard , (COMMA) can hard-(hyphen)wall any variant of Heracross that doesn't carry Earthquake. Priority using Pokemon like-(hyphen)users such as Scizor, and Breloom can easily revenge kill Heracross after a couple of Defensive drops. Any Pokemon carrying a Flying-type move can also be a reason to worry. Crobat, Tornadus, (comma) Landorus, Togekiss, and Hidden Power Flying Salamence, and Hidden Power Flying Thundurus can all OHKO Heracross without taking much damage. Finally Pokemon likesuch Dusknoir, Duskclops, (comma) and Sablyeye are all immune to Close Combat and don't take much from Megahorn, can; (semicolon) they can also all burn Heracross and serverely hinder its sweeping ability.</p>


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    <p>Although Heracross is often overlooked when team building, it has several advantages over many common Pokemon in the Doubles metagame. With an amazing offensive typing, a base 125 Attack stat paired with two 120 Base Power STAB moves, and an amazing ability, Heracross can easily be one of the top offensive threats. Though it hits like a truck really hard, it lacks speed. (GP crew is not liking that phrase; it's almost as bad as saying crux, so yeah, ^^; ) Only possessing a base 85 Speed stat is a problem that will always haunt Heracross. If you can use speed control moves such as Tailwind, Thunder Wave, and Icy Wind, (RC) to help support it, (AC) Heracross will easily be the M.V.P. of its team almost every game.</p>

    [SET]
    name: All-Out Attacker
    move 1: Megahorn
    move 2: Close Combat
    move 3: Feint / Stone Edge
    move 4: Protect
    item: Bug Gem
    ability: Moxie
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross has one job and one job only, and (space) that is to hit extremely hard. A Bug Gem-boosted-Megahorn can OHKO a lot of Pokemon, (AC) such as Cresselia, 4 HP Kingdra, uninvested Politoed, and Tyranitar, (RC) and the list goes on. (when you say such as, you are listing examples, so you are already implying that the list goes on.) If the Pokemon in question doesn't resist Megahorn, it will take major damage and may might even get OHKOed. After picking up a KO by using one of the most powerful moves in the metagame in Megahorn, Moxie activates, (AC) and giving Heracross gets an Attack boost to heighten the power of its already powerful attacks. Close Combat is used as Heracross's other STAB move, allowing it to hit Pokemon that resist Megahorn, (AC) such as Heatran and Ninetales, (AC) for heavy damage. (Only remove the 's if you are talking about a group of Pokemon. Even if the Pokemon has an s at the end, still add the 's to show possession to a singular noun.) Feint is used to help Heracross's partners, (AC) as it hits through Protect and makes the opposition Pokemon vulnerable to another attack that turn. If Feint isn't appealing to you, however, Stone Edge can be used in the 3rd third move(no space, just 'moveslot')slot; Stone Edge allows Heracross to hit Flying-type and Fire-type Pokemon who that would otherwise be resistant or immune to its STAB combo, Like such as Chandelure and Volcarona, respectively. The final moveslot on in this set goes to the most common move in Doubles, Protect:; Protect it is used to protect Heracross from Flying-type moves and powerful spread moves such as Rock Slide and Heat Wave while its partners dispose of the problem.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross's base 85 Speed stat can hinder it at times, which is why Pokemon who can control speed are great assets for it. Pokemon such as Thundurus, Togekiss, and Cresselia can not only control speed, (RC) but can also remove Flying- and Fighting-types, which allow Heracross to reach its full potential. Due to Heracross being an fullall-out physical attacker, Defiant Pokemon such as Torandous and Bisharp make for good partners. Defiant discourages Intimidate-users from switching in, as Intimidate will actually give these Pokemon a boost, making it easy to take care of them. Faster Pokemon, such as Latios and Rotom-W, (AC) can also be used to remove Intimidate-abusers users as well as threats such as Victini and Volcarona. Heracross can also be used on a rain team, (AC) because not only does rain halve its weakness to Fire-type attacks, (RC) but due to its amazing offensive coverage, (AC) it can manage to defeat many common threats to rain, (AC) such as; Abomanow, Tyranitar, Gastrodon, Ferrothorn and Cresselia. Kingdra in the rain can also remove Pokemon that directly threaten Heracross.</p>

    <p>An alternate EV spread of 208 HP / 116 Atk / 48 SpD / 136 Spe can be used as well. It allows Heracross to live hits such as a Choice Specs-boosted Thunderbolt from Thundurus-T and a Life Orb-boosted Draco Meteor from Kingdra. The Attack EVs gives Heracross enough power to OHKO Calm Cresselia with 116 Defense EVs 93% of the time. Finally, Rock Slide can be used over Stone Edge to give Heracross a spread move; though while it's not strong at first, after a boost or two from Moxie, (AC) Rock Slide becomes very powerful.</p>(This entire paragraph should be before the longer one; the partners are talked about after the alternative spread / items, so make my changes and move this above the previous paragraph.)

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Megahorn
    move 2: Close Combat
    move 3: Rock Slide / Stone Edge
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Moxie
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross doesn't always have to be reliant on its teammates to be faster than the opponent. Choice Scarf gives Heracross a much needed boost in the Speed stat, allowing it to outspeed every non-Choice Scarfed Pokemon in the metagame. Megahorn and Close Combat are the two main moves of the set;, (AC) both of which are base 120 STAB moves, meaning that Heracross can hit opposing teams extremely hard. The choice between Rock Slide and Stone Edge is a hard one. Rock Slide is a spread move that will hit both opponents and has a chance to flinch, whereas Stone Edge isn't blocked by Wide Guard and has more power. Earthquake is used in the last slot; because it's another spread move that allows Heracross to hit Pokemon such as Toxicroak for super effective damage while hitting the other opponents as well. The only downfall to Earthquake is that it runs the risk of hitting Heracross's teammate as well. Finally, (AC) it's worth mentioning that this Heracross variant CANNOT OHKO the standard Cresselia.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Follow Me and Rage Powder support will allow Heracross to live longer and abuse take advantage of the free hits its partner will give it.; Pokemon such as Jirachi, Togekiss, and Amoongus are all good teammates because of this. Helping hHand, a move that will boost the attacking power of Heracross, can also be used to further support it. Cresselia, Politoed, and Togekiss can all use this move to great effect. Intimidate is going to be a problem since because Heracross relies so heavily on physical attacks, so Pokemon with the ability Defiant can be used to discourage Pokemon with Intimidate from switching in freely. Faster teammates such as Latios and Rotom-W can be used to remove iIntimidate-users as well as Pokemon such as Victini and Volcarona. Being on a rain team is also a viable option for Heracross, (AC) as Heracross it helps directly threaten many Pokemon that are a problem to rain; Pokemon like such as Abomasnow, Gastordon, Tyranitar, Rotom-W, and Cresselia can all be easily removed by it.(remove space)</p>

    [OTHER OPTIONS Other Options]

    <p>There are many other interesting options that Heracross can find its self itself using. Guts with a status orb is one of the main options, (AC) as it will instantly boost Herracross's aAttack, (RC) but at the cost of residual damage. Night Slash and Pursuit can be used for a high critical hit chance and the ability to catch switching opponents, respectively. Bug Bite, though while having half the power of Megahorn, can be used as a niche move to dispose of opponent's' berries; Cresselia's Sitrus Berry or Chesto Berry comes to mind. Swords Dance can be used as a boosting move for Heracross, though but it's harder to pull off in the Doubles Metagame compared in comparison to singles. Heracross can also use a gimmicky combination in Endure, Salac Berry, and Reversal, giving it an extremely powerful STAB move, but beware as this would take a lot of support to pull off. Finally, (AC) Heracross can do more than attack: it can also support its teammates. Helping Hand is a option to help boost its teammates attacking power, while and Sleep Talk can be used to make Heracross a sleep absorber, as it would allow Heracross Spore-users, taking sleep-inducing moves from Pokemon such as Amoongus.</p>

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS Checks and Counters]

    <p>Heracross's main problem comes in the form of Intimidate-users.; Hitmonop, Gyarados, Salamence, and Landorus-tT are all problems that it doesn't like to face, with the latter three being able to come in and lower Heracross's aAttack while resisting its dual STAB Ccombination. Pokemon such as Thundurus and Togekiss that can paralyze it are also major issues. Not known for its amazing Speed stat, Heracross cannot afford to have its Speed be lowered.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that are immune or resist Heracross's STAB moves and can OHKO back are bad news. Heracross can't actually touch Jellicent and Chandelure if it doesn't have Stone Edge or Rock Slide. Pokemon such as Latios, (RC) and Volcarona can outspeed Heracross and OHKO with one of their STAB moves. Toxicroak, being resistant to both of Heracross's STABs, can hard-wall any variant of Heracross that doesn't carry Earthquake. Priority-using Pokemon, (AC) such as Scizor and Breloom, (AC) can easily revenge kills Heracross after a couple of Defense drops. Any Pokemon carrying a Flying-type move can has a reason to bring worry to Heracross. Crobat, Tornadus, Landorus, Togekiss, and Hidden Power Flying Salamence, and Thundurus can all OHKO Heracross without taking much damage. Finally, (AC) Pokemon such Dusknoir, Dusclops and Sablyeye are all immune to Close Combat and don't doesn't take much from Megahorn; they can also burn Heracross and severely hinder its sweeping ability.</p>
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    I'll stamp the above check with some minor changes:
    2nd to last sentence: Crobat, Tornadus, Landorus, Togekiss, and Hidden Power Flying Salamence, (comma) and Thundurus can all OHKO Heracross without taking much damage.
    Also, in the final sentence, 'don't' should not be replaced with 'doesn't' since it is referring to a group of Pokemon.
    Other than that, solid check and


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  16. Mizuhime

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    Going to give this a third GP Check as I found a few errors that should be fixed before
    upload. Nothing major, but still a few easily-remedied errors. Please don't upload until these are fixed.

    Changes in bold. Deletions in strikeout. AC and RC are comma changes.

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    [Overview]

    <p>Although Heracross is often overlooked when team building, it has several advantages over many common Pokemon in the Doubles metagame. With an amazing offensive typing, a base 125 Attack stat paired with two 120 Base Power STAB moves, and an amazing ability, Heracross can easily be a one of the top offensive threats. Though it hits really hard, it lacks speed. Only possessing a base 85 Speed stat is a problem that will always haunt Heracross. If you can use speed control moves such as Tailwind, Thunder Wave, and Icy Wind to help support it, Heracross will easily be the M.V.P of its team almost every game.</p>

    [SET]
    name: All Out Attacker
    move 1: Megahorn
    move 2: Close Combat
    move 3: Feint / Stone Edge
    move 4: Protect
    item: Bug Gem
    ability: Moxie
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross has one job and one job only, and that is to hit extremely hard. A Bug Gem boosted-Megahorn can OHKO a lot of Pokemon, such as Cresselia, 4 HP Kingdra, uninvested Politoed, and Tyranitar. If the Pokemon in question doesn't resist Megahorn, it will take major damage and might even get OHKOed. After picking up a KO by using one of the most powerful moves in the metagame in Megahorn, Moxie activates, giving Heracross an Attack boost to heighten the power of its already powerful attacks. Close Combat is used as Heracross's other STAB move, allowing it to hit Pokemon that resist Megahorn, such as Heatran and Ninetales, for heavy damage. Feint is used to help Heracross's partners, as it hits through Protect and makes the opposition vulnerable to another attack that turn. If Feint isn't appealing to you, however, Stone Edge can be used in the third moveslot; Stone Edge allows Heracross to hit Flying and Fire-type Pokemon that would otherwise be resistant or immune to its STAB combo, such as Chandelure and Volcarona, respectively. The final moveslot in this set goes to the most common move in Doubles, Protect: it is used to protect Heracross from Flying-type moves and powerful spread moves such as Rock Slide and Heat Wave while its partners dispose of the problem.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An alternate EV spread of 208 HP / 116 Atk / 48 SpD / 136 Spe can be used as well. It allows Heracross to live survive hits such as a Choice Specs-boosted Thunderbolt from Thundurus-T and a Life Orb-boosted Draco Meteor from Kingdra. The Attack EVs give Heracross enough power to OHKO Calm Cresselia with 116 Defense EVs 93% of the time. Finally, Rock Slide can be used over Stone Edge to give Heracross a spread move; while it's not strong at first, after a boost or two from Moxie, Rock Slide becomes very powerful.</p>

    <p>Heracross's base 85 Speed stat can hinder it at times, which is why Pokemon who can control speed are great assets for it. Pokemon such as Thundurus, Togekiss, and Cresselia can not only control speed, [AC] but can also remove Flying- and Fighting-types, which allows Heracross to reach its full potential. Due to Heracross being an all-out physical attacker, Defiant Pokemon such as Torandous and Bisharp make for good partners. Defiant discourages Intimidate-users from switching in, as Intimidate will actually give these Pokemon a boost, making it easy to take care of them. Faster Pokemon, such as Latios and Rotom-W, can also be used to remove Intimidate users in addition to as well as threats such as Victini and Volcarona. Heracross can also be used on a rain team; [semicolon] not only does rain halve its weakness to Fire-type attacks, [AC] but due to its amazing offensive coverage it can manage to defeat many common threats to rain such as Abomanow, Tyranitar, Gastrodon, Ferrothorn, [AC] and Cresselia. Kingdra in the rain can also remove Pokemon that directly threaten Heracross.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Megahorn
    move 2: Close Combat
    move 3: Rock Slide / Stone Edge
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Moxie
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross doesn't always have to be reliant on its teammates to be faster than the opponent. Choice Scarf gives Heracross a much needed boost in the Speed stat, allowing it to outspeed every non-Choice Scarf Pokemon in the metagame. Megahorn and Close Combat are the two main moves of the set, both of which are base 120 STAB moves, meaning that Heracross can hit opposing teams extremely hard. The choice between Rock Slide and Stone Edge is a hard one. Rock Slide is a spread move that will hit both opponents and has a chance to flinch, whereas Stone Edge isn't blocked by Wide Guard and has more power. Earthquake is used in the last slot [removed ;] because it's another spread move that allows Heracross to hit Pokemon such as Toxicroak for super effective damage while hitting the opponents as well. The only downfall to Earthquake is that it runs the risk of hitting Heracross's teammate as well. Finally, it's worth mentioning that this Heracross variant CANNOT OHKO the standard Cresselia.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Follow Me and Rage Powder support will allow Heracross to live longer and take advantage of the free hits its partner will give it. Pokemon such as Jirachi, Togekiss, and Amoongus are all good teammates because of this. Helping Hand, a move that will boost the attacking power of Heracross, can also be used to further support it. Cresselia, Politoed, and Togekiss can all use this move to great effect. Intimidate is going to be a problem because Heracross relies so heavily on physical attacks, so Pokemon with the ability Defiant can be used to discourage Pokemon with Intimidate from switching in freely. Faster teammates such as Latios and Rotom-W can be used to remove Intimidate-users as well as Pokemon such as Victini and Volcarona. Just like before, being on a rain team is also a viable option for Heracross, as it helps directly threaten many Pokemon that are a problem to rain; Pokemon such as Abomasnow, Gastordon, Tyranitar, Rotom-W, and Cresselia can all be easily removed by it.</p>

    [OTHER OPTIONS]

    <p>There are many other interesting options that Heracross can put to use find itself using. Guts with a status orb is one of the main options, as it will instantly boost Herracross's Attack at the cost of residual damage. Night Slash and Pursuit can be used for a high critical hit chance and the ability to catch switching opponents, respectively. Bug Bite, while having half the power of Megahorn, can be used as a niche move to dispose of opponents' berries, [changed ; to ,] such as Cresselia's Sitrus Berry or Chesto Berry comes to mind. Swords Dance can be used as a boosting move for Heracross, but it's harder to pull off in the Doubles Metagame in comparison to singles. Heracross can also use a gimmicky combination in Endure, Salac Berry, and Reversal, giving it an extremely powerful STAB move, but be aware that as this would take a lot of support to pull off. Finally, Heracross can do more than attack: it can also support its teammates. Helping Hand is a option to help boost its teammates attacking power, and Sleep Talk can be used to make Heracross a sleep absorber, taking sleep-inducing moves from Pokemon such as Amoongus.</p>

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

    <p>Heracross's main problem comes in the form of Intimidate users. Hitmontop, Gyarados, Salamence, and Landorus-T are all problems that it doesn't like to face, with the latter three being able to come in and lower Heracross's Attack while resisting its dual STAB combination. Pokemon such as Thundurus and Togekiss that can paralyze it are also major issues. Not known for its amazing Speed stat, Heracross cannot afford to have its already mediocre Speed be lowered.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that are immune or resist Heracross's STAB moves and can OHKO back are bad news. Heracross can't actually touch Jellicent and Chandelure if it doesn't have Stone Edge or Rock Slide. Pokemon such as Latios and Volcarona can outspeed Heracross and OHKO with one of their STAB moves. Toxicroak, being resistant to both of Heracross's STABs, can hard-wall any variant of Heracross that doesn't carry Earthquake. Priority-using Pokemon, such as Scizor and Breloom, can easily revenge kills Heracross after a couple of Defense drops. Any Pokemon carrying a Flying-type move has a reason to bring worry to Heracross. Crobat, Tornadus, Landorus, Togekiss, Hidden Power Flying Salamence and Thundurus can all OHKO Heracross without taking much damage. Finally, Pokemon such Dusknoir, Dusclops, [AC] and Sableye are all immune to Close Combat and don't take much from Megahorn; they can also burn Heracross and severely hinder its sweeping ability.</p>
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