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Heracross (Ubers Analysis)

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    [OVERVIEW]
    <p>Heracross is often considered to be inferior to its metallic Bug-typed brethren, Scizor, but this assumption is not true at all. With access to STAB Megahorn and Close Combat, coupled by the fact that many Pokemon in Ubers are weak to Bug- and Fighting- type attacks, Heracross can thrive in Ubers with Choice Scarf and Choice Band sets. Heracross separates itself from other offensive Pokemon by welcoming Poison and Burn to boost its Attack stat even more. Heracross's unique resistances to Fighting- and Dark- type attacks, moderate Speed, and humongous power are its advantages over Scizor. Its traits make it an excellent candidate for any team, especially for those in need of a Darkrai counter. Although it lacks the bulk of many other Pokemon in ubers, it is sufficient enough to take at least one hit from many threats.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Close Combat
    move 2: Megahorn
    move 3: Stone Edge
    move 4: Sleep Talk / Night Slash / Toxic / Pursuit
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Guts
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 56 HP / 216 Atk / 4 SpD / 232 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With a Choice Scarf attached, Heracross reaches 396 Speed which is enough to outspeed max Speed Darkrai and Mewtwo, both of whom are OHKOed by Megahorn. This already separates Heracross from other Bug-types such as Scizor who can subsequently be Flamethrowered or Dark Voided by the faster Mewtwo and Darkrai, respectively. Heracross can also take down many of the most common Ubers with Stealth Rock and Spikes support, such as Dialga, who is guaranteed to be OHKOed by Close Combat after Stealth Rock. Choice Scarf Heracross' main selling point, however, is being able to almost perfectly counter Darkrai thanks to its resistance to Dark Pulse and Focus Blast and the ability to OHKO it at will.</p>

    <p>Close Combat, Megahorn, and Stone Edge are all necessary to achieve 2HKOs on most Uber Pokemon. The last move depends solely on Heracross's needs. Sleep Talk allows Heracross to switch in on Darkrai's Dark Void, as Heracross's next attack will be boosted by Guts. However, Sleep Talk can only be used once while holding a Choice item; subsequent uses will cause the move to fail. Night Slash is Heracross' most powerful attack against Giratina-O, although it is only a 3HKO at best. Toxic is Heracross' best option against incoming Lugia and Giratina-o, and although it won't do any immediate damage, it will severely hinder both of them for the rest of the match. Finally, Pursuit can hurt Latios, Latias, and Mewtwo as they switch out, fearing Megahorn. However, being trapped into a 40 Base Power attack is less than ideal.</p>

    <p>Heracross' ability, Guts, allows it to take advantage of status, most notably from Toxic Spikes, Blissey's Toxic, and Mewtwo's Will-o-Wisp. The boost from its ability allows Heracross to 2HKO or OHKO all commonly used Pokemon in Ubers except Giratina-O and Giratina. Despite this boost, however, keep in mind that the aforementioned moves and Pokemon tend to appear on stall-based teams and will very likely have either Giratina-O or Giratina as a team member.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross needs proper Spikes and Stealth Rock support to be a major threat in Ubers. Deoxys leads have access to both Stealth Rock and Spikes, and can often lure in priority users who could otherwise easily revenge kill Heracross. Lugia, Ho-Oh, Giratina-O and Giratina are often major issues for Heracross. Darkrai is an excellent partner, being able to destroy Lugia, Giratina, and Giratina-O with relative ease with Dark Pulse, although it must be wary switching into the latter due to its powerful Draco Meteor. Kyogre's bulk, resistance to Fire-type attacks, and ability to Calm Mind makes it a perfect partner for Heracross, as it can eliminate Ho-Oh, Lugia, and Giratina fairly easily. Kyogre's Drizzle also weakens Fire-type attacks for Heracross, allowing it to often survive a hit from the likes of Mewtwo, Choice Scarf Palkia and Dialga and retaliate with its powerful Megahorn or Close Combat. If Heracross is locked into anything but Megahorn, Wobbuffet can annihilate it with Counter. Unfortunately, Wobbuffet can not be countered thanks to Shadow Tag. Mixed attackers such as Dialga and Palkia can often lure in Wobbuffet and destroy it with a combination of their special and physical attacks. Thanks to Dialga's convenient typing, it can counter Giratina and Giratina-O as well, while Heracross resists Dialga's weaknesses to Ground and Fighting. Palkia's quad-resistance to Fire- and Water- type moves also allow it to absorb some of the most powerful attacks aimed at Heracross. </p>

    <p>Wobbuffet makes another fantastic partner to Heracross, as it can not only trap Lugia and kill it with Mirror Coat if it decides to attack, but it can also revenge kill Pokemon with Choice Scarf that can revenge kill Heracross, such as Choice Scarf Dialga or Choice Scarf Palkia. If you opt to use Wobbuffet, another sweeper such as Rayquaza will make an excellent partner to Heracross, cleaning up any Pokemon Heracross failed to finish off.</p>

    <p>To outspeed Deoxys-A and Modest Choice Scarf Kyogre, a Jolly nature is necessary. However, neither are common, so the choice in losing the power for the coverage is entirely up to the user.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Close Combat
    move 2: Megahorn
    move 3: Stone Edge
    move 4: Sleep Talk / Pursuit / Night Slash
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Guts
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 248 HP / 232 Atk / 24 SpD / 4 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Almost identical to the Choice Scarf set, but with a key difference in power and bulk. With the HP EVs, Heracross becomes a Pokemon that can survive almost any attack and OHKO back with one of its STAB attacks. Unlike the Choice Scarf set, Guts is not a necessity to hit hard, thanks to the boost already given by Choice Band.</p>

    <p>Although Guts activation isn't necessary to achieve this set's goals, the boost in power will decimate defensive teams without a proper answer to Heracross. If Guts has been activated, Heracross can 2HKO or OHKO every Pokemon commonly used in Ubers with Close Combat or Megahorn, with the exception of Ho-Oh and Giratina. Stone Edge OHKOes Ho-Oh and provides a more powerful attack against Giratina-O than Megahorn. Sleep Talk turns Heracross into an excellent check to Darkrai, resisting Dark Pulse and Focus Blast while still being able to attack if Dark Voided, OHKOing back with Heracross's powerful, Guts-boosted attacks. Once again, keep in mind that Sleep Talk will only work once as long as Heracross is holding a Choice item. Should one not wish to use Heracross as a sleep absorber, Pursuit is a fine choice. With support from Tickle Wobbuffet, Heracross can remove its greatest counter, Giratina. It takes four Tickles for Heracross to OHKO a switching Giratina with Pursuit, and two Tickles if Guts is activated. Speaking of Guts, Heracross sets itself apart from other Pursuiters such as Scizor and Tyranitar as not even Will-o-Wisp can save Giratina's life. Night Slash allows Heracross to 2HKO Giratina-O, something that it can not do with the previous set.</p>

    [Additional Comments]
    <p>Heracross should rely on what bulk it has when employing a Choice Band set. If one uses more Speed, it should only be enough to outspeed 16 Speed Groudon and Dialga, as any more will result in likely losing the bulk that allows Heracross to take many Uber attacks.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock is needed like always, giving Heracross a better chance to kill Ho-Oh, Rayquaza, and many other Uber Pokemon. Unlike the previous set, Lugia fails to wall this set as Heracross is slower and will pierce Lugia with Megahorn as it eliminates its Flying- type via Roost. Kyogre is once again a great partner as it can kill Ho-Oh and weaken Fire-type attacks via Drizzle. With Fire-type attacks and Pokemon weakened and/or eliminated, Heracross will more likely not have to contend with one of its major weaknesses.</p>

    <p>Since Choice Band Heracross lacks speed, faster powerhouses such as Choice Specs Kyogre, Latios and Life Orb Dialga can OHKO Heracross with their most powerful STAB attacks. Choice Scarf Palkia can take on Kyogre's Water Spout and Surf, and hit back hard with Thunder, Draco Meteor, or Spacial Rend. Palkia can also revenge Latios and moderately weakened Dialga.</p>

    <p>Heracross should not be the center of a team when using this set. Instead, it should be used merely to help other Pokemon, such as Rayquaza and Groudon, set up instead. After drawing out and killing Lugia with Heracross, these other Pokemon can easily sweep teams with Rock Polish, Swords Dance, or Dragon Dance. Heracross's typing and bulk provide it one of the best advantages in Ubers; KOing an opponent's Pokemon and seeing what their next counter in line is.</p>

    [SET]
    name: SubSalac
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Swords Dance
    move 3: Close Combat
    move 4: Megahorn
    item: Salac Berry
    ability: Swarm
    nature: Jolly
    ivs: 30 HP
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross's most interesting set, and certainly viable if used correctly. The goal is to switch in on something that can't do much, such as Forretress, and Substitute. The opponent will likely bring in a much faster Pokemon to break the Substitutes, which results in Heracross constantly using Substitute until Salac Berry activates. Assuming Substitute is still intact, Heracross can then Swords Dance and attempt to sweep. Heracross subbing down to Salac Berry activation also activates the dual effect of Swarm, multiplying Megahorn's power times 1.5. Along with STAB, the power of Heracross's Megahorn reaches a power level of 270. Swords Dance then boosts this to a whopping 540!</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <h3>Damage Calculations</h3>
    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li> +2 Swarm Megahorn vs 32 HP / 0 Def Rayquaza 86.91% - 102.23% <li>
    <li>+2 Swarm Megahorn vs 252 HP / 32 Def Groudon 102.72% - 121.29% </li>
    <li>+2 Swarm Megahorn vs 252 HP / 64 Def Lugia 104.09% - 122.60% </li>
    <li>+2 Close Combat vs 224 HP / 0 Def Ho-oh 50.61% - 59.90% </li>
    </ul>

    <p>252 Speed allows Heracross to outspeed max Speed, Modest Choice Scarf Kyogre after a Salac Berry boost. However, there are several Pokemon capable of outspeeding Heracross after the boost, namely Choice Scarf bearing Pokemon with equal to or greater than 90 base Speed such as Palkia, Dialga, Shaymin-S, Mewtwo, Jirachi, Darkrai, and Timid Kyogre. After Substitute is broken, Heracross will likely have no way of stopping priority attacks. With the prevalence of Groudon and Kyogre in Ubers, a mixed Tyranitar is a phenomenal partner, as the weather will likely change later. Tyranitar can lure in Scizor and Fire Blast to OHKO them, as well as take down Giratina-o with Crunch or Pursuit. Rayquaza also falls victim to Ice Beam. Rayquaza, Scizor, and Giratina-o commonly use priority attacks, making Heracross's job much easier with them eliminated.</p>

    <p>Wobbuffet, who always pairs well with Heracross, does phenomenally here, trapping and OHKOing most Choice Scarf Pokemon that would outspeed Heracross after a Salac Berry boost. In return, Heracross does an excellent job of taking out Wobbuffet's biggest threat, Darkrai and Taunt + Calm Mind Mewtwo.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>Wobbuffet is the best Pokemon to pair up with Heracross, no matter what the set. His ability to trap and kill other Choice Scarfers, as well as trap Lugia, make Wobbuffet the premiere Pokemon to pair with Heracross. Tyranitar, oddly enough, makes an excellent partner to both Pokemon, finishing off Pokemon that Wobbuffet Tickles with Pursuit, as well as taking down Giratina and Ho-Oh, two of the biggest problems for Heracross.</p>

    <p>A Choice Scarf Deoxys-s lead combines very well with Heracross, usually rendering the opponent's lead useless, and then setting up Spikes. If the Pokemon that is Tricked is Groudon, then Heracross can sweep much more easily. Bulky Pokemon such as Dialga and Groudon can accompany Deoxys-S and set up Stealth Rock. Rayquaza also makes an excellent partner, finishing off what Heracross can't with ExtremeSpeed, and can sweep much easier with Lugia and Latias gone, both of whom can be beaten or at the very least in the case of Lugia, lured out, with Heracross.</p>

    <p>Forretress is another great Pokemon to use with Heracross, as it can use screens to give Heracross more bulk, as well as lure in Fire-types and use Explosion, clearing the field for Heracross later. Forretress is another Pokemon that can use Spikes, Stealth Rock, or Toxic Spikes.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>Heracross can use a Rest and Sleep Talk set with Bulk Up and Megahorn, but PP can run out quickly and Megahorn will end up missing a few times. Dialga is the superior option for such a set. A Swords Dance sweeper with Close Combat, Night Slash, and Megahorn can be used, but needs Wobbuffet to set up and has no priority to finish off faster sweepers. Lucario would be a far superior option.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Giratina and Giratina-O are Heracross' greatest counters thanks to their immense bulk, immunity to Close Combat, and resistance to Megahorn, although the latter can be 2HKOed by Choice Banded Night Slash. Ho-Oh sports a quadruple resistance to Megahorn as well as a 2x resistance to Close Combat, and can easily OHKO Heracross with Brave Bird or Sacred Fire. However, Ho-Oh is OHKOed by Stone Edge and 2HKOed by Close Combat after taking Stealth Rock damage. Lugia can switch into Choice Scarf Heracross and stall it out with Reflect and Roost. Scizor can easily handle the Choice Scarf set due to its resistance to Megahorn and the ability to 2HKO Heracross with Megahorn. Furthermore, Scizor can OHKO Heracross with Choice Banded Bullet Punch after a Defense drop from Close Combat. Bullet Punch will also pick off SubSalac Heracross if the Substitute is not up. Finally, Wobbuffet can revenge any Heracross not locked into Megahorn.</p>

    <p>Groudon's bulk and Fire Punch can make quick work of Heracross, usually surviving whatever Heracross throws at it. Rayquaza boasts resists to both of Heracross's main attacks, and can finish it off with a STAB Dragon-type attack or ExtremeSpeed if Heracross is SubSalac. Forretress can set up entry hazards against Choice Scarf Heracross as long as it avoids Close Combat.</p>

    <p>Faster Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Dialga, Palkia, Shaymin-S, and Jirachi can often make short work of Heracross. The former two can smash it with Fire Blast (or Surf in Palkia's case, should it be raining), Shaymin-S can OHKO with Air Slash and Jirachi can flinch Heracross to death with Iron Head. However, none of these Pokemon will enjoy switching into Heracross' powerful moves and, with the exception of Shaymin-S, can lose to Choice Band Heracross one on one under certain circumstances.</p>

    <p>As much as Heracross will enjoy Toxic Spikes at first, they will eventually wear down Heracross quickly, which means it is actually not a terrible idea to use against it, especially if you have a solid Heracross counter to help neutralize the boost from Guts.</p>
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    eric the espeon did a nitpick sweep, thank you eric :)
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    I changed subbing to substituting because I feel like your article would be hard to understand for a new player. Perhaps consider changing such phrases.
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    I'm thinking that Night Slash doesn't belong on the Choice Scarf set. Stone Edge and Sleep Talk are two moves that are especially helpful on Heracross, Stone Edge for hitting Ho Oh, and Sleep Talk for taking Darkrai's Dark Void (and while this is very niche, it makes Heracross a 100% Darkrai counter (more or less)). Night Slash isn't even capable of 2HKOing offensive Giratina-O after Stealth Rock, and is a 6HKO against defensive Giratina with Leftovers. You've tested it; is Night Slash really that useful at all?
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    Night Slash is a good way to revenge giratina-o, especially if guts are activated. close combat/megahorn is honestly all you really need, but i could simply slash all moves with the last 2 moveslots. i'll have to think about your points.
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    Okay these are pretty minor mistakes I'm going to point out :)

    Red is remove, blue is to change or add. Only errors are in the quote, the rest isn't shown. Sorry if it's a little unclear.
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    SubSalac, final paragraph.
    Still doesn't sound great I must say but it's grammatically correct.
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    Its not really bulky per se.. its just incredibly difficult to kill in one hit while being able to OHKO many other pokemon.
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    Grammar and content check.

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    In the first two sets, you should specificy as to why those EV spreads are being used. For example, is there a purpose for the 56 HP EVs? If not, I rather have them in Attack.

    In the second set,
    You could then show some damage calcs supporting the use of the HP and SpD EVs. Just use the Heracross thread in Ubers Starks Mountain for this, seeing how this set is the same as the one I posted minus the 4 Spe EVs.

    Also, in the 3rd set

    Seeing as most base 90 Choice Scarfers use a +nature, Heracross won't be outspeeding them.



    [EDIT] Toxic should be mentioned in set comments for the 1st set. It's your best option against Groudon and Lugia, and helps greatly against Ho-Oh and Giratina-O (you don't want to use either CC or Megahorn on them, and Night Slash sucks against anything not weak to it).
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    [OVERVIEW]
    <p>Heracross is usually not thought of as an extremely powerful Pokemon, but this misconception does not hold true in the Uber metagame at all. With many of the most popular Pokemon having weaknesses to Fighting- and Bug-type attacks, Heracross thrives in Ubers with Choice Scarf and Choice Band sets. Heracross separates itself from other offensive Pokemon by welcoming status to boost its Attack stat even more. Heracross's bulk and ability make it an excellent candidate on any team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Close Combat
    move 2: Megahorn
    move 3: Night Slash
    move 4: Stone Edge / Sleep Talk / Pursuit
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Guts
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 56 HP / 216 Atk / 4 SpD / 232 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With a Choice Scarf attached, Heracross reaches 396 Speed, which is enough to outspeed max Speed Darkrai and Mewtwo, both of whom are OHKOed by Megahorn. This already separates Heracross from other Bug-types such as Scizor who can subsequently be Flamethrowered or Dark Voided by the faster Mewtwo and Darkrai respectively. Heracross can also take down many of the most common Ubers with Stealth Rock and Spikes support, such as Dialga, who is guaranteed to be OHKOed by Close Combat after Stealth Rock.</p>

    <p>The key to fully taking advantage of Heracross is to bring it in on Toxic Spikes or Toxic. With status, Heracross can 2HKO every Pokemon in Ubers barring Ho-Oh (who can be 2HKOed with Stealth Rock) and Giratina. Close Combat, Megahorn, and Night Slash are all necessary to achieve 2HKOs on most Uber Pokemon. The last move depends solely on Heracross's needs. Stone Edge will OHKO Ho-Oh, but its accuracy and low PP are not very enticing in the Ubers environment. Sleep Talk allows Heracross to switch in on Darkrai's Dark Void, as Heracross's next attack will be boosted by Guts. Finally, Pursuit can finish off severely weakened Pokemon such as Blissey as they try to switch out. However, being locked into a 40 Base Power attack is less than ideal.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Choice Scarf Heracross performs much better in Ubers than OU thanks to the lack of Gliscor and Rotom. However, Heracross still needs proper Spikes and Stealth Rock support to be a major threat in Ubers. Deoxys leads have access to both Stealth Rock and Spikes, and can often lure in priority users who could otherwise easily revenge kill Heracross. A moveset consisting of Ice Beam, Hidden Power Fire, Stealth Rock, and Spikes can KO [I'm not sure if "kill is a good word choice here] Scizor and Rayquaza, as well as Forretress who could Rapid Spin the entry hazards laid out. Lugia, Ho-Oh, and Giratina are often major issues for Heracross, which means Darkrai is an excellent partner, putting Heracross's counters to sleep or simply destroying them with Dark Pulse. Kyogre's bulk and access to Calm Mind make it a perfect partner for Heracross, as it can eliminate Ho-Oh, Lugia, and Giratina fairly easily.</p>

    <p>Wobbuffet makes another fantastic partner to Heracross, as it can not only trap Lugia and kill it with Mirror Coat if it decides to attack, but it can also revenge kill Pokemon with Choice Scarf who can revenge kill Heracross, such as Choice Scarf Dialga or Choice Scarf Palkia. If you opt to use Wobbuffet, another sweeper such as Rayquaza will make an excellent partner to Heracross, cleaning up any Pokemon Heracross failed to finish off.</p>

    <p>To outspeed Deoxys-A, a Jolly nature is necessary. However, Deoxys-A is not very common, so the choice in losing the power for the coverage is entirely up to the user.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Close Combat
    move 2: Megahorn
    move 3: Stone Edge
    move 4: Sleep Talk
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Guts
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 248 HP / 232 Atk / 24 SpD / 4 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is almost identical to the Choice Scarf set, but with a key difference in power and bulk. With the HP EVs, Heracross becomes a Pokemon who can survive almost any attack and OHKO back with one of its STAB attacks. Unlike the Choice Scarf set, Guts is not a necessity to hit hard thanks to the boost already given by Choice Band.</p>

    <p>Although Guts activation isn't necessary to achieve this set's goals, the boost in power will decimate defensive teams without a proper answer to Heracross. If Guts has been actitivated, Heracross can 2HKO or OHKO every Pokemon commonly used in Ubers with Close Combat or Megahorn, with the exception of Ho-Oh and very bulky Giratina-O. Stone Edge OHKOes Ho-Oh and provides a more powerful attack against Giratina-O than Megahorn. Sleep Talk turns Heracross into an excellent check to Darkrai, resisting Dark Pulse and Focus Blast while still being able to attack if Dark Voided, OHKOing back with Heracross's powerful, Guts-boosted attacks. Sleep Talk will only work once while Heracross is asleep, but the power behind the attack should be enough to guarantee a KO.

    [Additional Comments]
    <p>Heracross should rely on its natural bulk and good defensive typing when employing a Choice Band set. If one uses more Speed, it should only be enough to outspeed 16 Speed Groudon and Dialga, as any more will result in likely losing the bulk that allows Heracross to take many Uber attacks.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock is needed like always, giving Heracross a better chance to KO Lugia, Ho-Oh, and many other Uber Pokemon. Forretress makes a fairly reliable partner to Heracross, luring in Fire-type attacks and Pokemon early who can later be trapped by Wobbuffet, put to sleep by Darkrai, or simply eliminated with other Pokemon. With Fire-type attacks and Pokemon eliminated, Heracross will more likely not have to contend with one of its major weaknesses.</p>

    <p>Heracross should not be the center of a team when using this set. Instead, it should be used merely to help other Pokemon such as Rayquaza and Groudon set up instead. After drawing out and killing Lugia with Heracross, these other Pokemon can easily sweep teams with Rock Polish, Swords Dance, or Dragon Dance. Heracross's typing and bulk provide it one of the best advantages in Ubers; KOing an opponent's Pokemon and seeing what their next counter in line is.</p>

    [SET]
    name: SubSalac
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Swords Dance
    move 3: Close Combat
    move 4: Megahorn
    item: Salac Berry
    ability: Swarm
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 60 HP / 252 Atk / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross's most interesting set, and certainly viable if used correctly. The goal is to switch in on someone who can't do much, such as Forretress, and use Substitute. The opponent will likely bring in a much faster Pokemon to break the Substitutes, which results in Heracross constantly using Substitute until Salac Berry activates. Assuming Substitute is still intact, Heracross can then Swords Dance and attempt to sweep. Heracross Subbing down to Salac Berry activation also activates the dual effect of Swarm, multiplying Megahorn's power times 1.5. Along with STAB, the power of Heracross's Megahorn reaches a Base Power of 270. Swords Dance then boosts this to a whopping 540!</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>196 Speed allows Heracross to outspeed max Speed Choice Scarf Kyogre after a Salac Berry boost. The only Pokemon capable of outspeeding Heracross after the boost will be Choice Scarf Palkia, Choice Scarf Garchomp, Choice Scarf Dialga, and some forms of Deoxys. However, after Substitute is broken, Heracross will likely have no way of stopping priority attacks. With the prevalence of Groudon and Kyogre in Ubers, a mixed Tyranitar is a phenomenal partner, as the weather will likely change later. Tyranitar can lure in Scizor and Fire Blast to OHKO them, as well as take down Giratina-O with Crunch or Pursuit. Rayquaza also falls victim to Ice Beam. Rayquaza, Scizor, and Giratina-O commonly use priority attacks, making Heracross's job much easier with them eliminated.</p>

    <p>Wobbuffet, who always pairs well with Heracross, does phenomenal here, trapping and OHKOing any Choice Scarf Pokemon who would outspeed Heracross after a Salac Berry boost. Heracross does an excellent job of taking out Wobbuffet's biggest threat, Darkrai.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>Wobbuffet is the best Pokemon to pair up with Heracross, no matter what the set. His ability to trap and kill other Choice Scarfers, as well as trap Lugia, make Wobbuffet the premiere Pokemon to pair with Heracross. Tyranitar, oddly enough, makes an excellent partner to both Pokemon, finishing off Pokemon who Wobbuffet Tickles with Pursuit, as well as taking down Giratina and Ho-Oh, two of the biggest problems for Heracross.</p>

    <p>A Choice Scarf Deoxys-S lead combines very well with Heracross, usually rendering the opponent's lead useless, and then setting up Spikes and Stealth Rock. If the Pokemon who is Tricked is Groudon, then Heracross can sweep much more easily. Rayquaza also makes an excellent partner, finishing off what Heracross can't with ExtremeSpeed, and can sweep much easier with Lugia and Latias gone, both of whom can be beaten or, in Lugia's case, lured out by Heracross.</p>

    <p>Forretress is another great Pokemon to use with Heracross, as it can use screens to give Heracross more bulk, as well as lure in Fire-types and use Explosion, clearing the field for Heracross later. Forretress is another Pokemon who can use Spikes, Stealth Rock, or Toxic Spikes.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>Rest can be used on the Choice Band set, allowing Heracross to use Sleep Talk two turns in a row, as well as activating Guts. With Heracross's bulk, it can give the opponent headaches. Pursuit can also be used on the Choice Band set to hurt fleeing Latias, Wobbuffet, and Lugia.</p>

    <p>Heracross can use a Rest and Sleep Talk set with Bulk Up and Megahorn, but PP can run out quickly, and Megahorn will end up missing a few times. Dialga is the superior option for such a set. A Swords Dance sweeper with Close Combat, Night Slash, and Megahorn can be used, but needs Wobbuffet to set up and has no priority to finish off faster sweepers. Lucario would be a far superior option.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Ho-Oh and Giratina are the major counters of Heracross, but Ho-Oh's Stealth Rock weakness does not help it at all. As much as Heracross will enjoy Toxic Spikes at first, they will eventually wear down Heracross quickly, which means they are not a terrible idea to use in order to stop Heracross, even if it means a boost in power.</p>

    <p>Groudon's bulk and Fire Punch can make quick work of Heracross, usually surviving whatever Heracross throws at it. Rayquaza boasts resistances [dunno, "resists" just sounded weird to me...] to both of Heracross's main attacks, and can finish it off with a STAB Dragon-type attack or ExtremeSpeed if Heracross is SubSalac.</p>

    <p>Lugia can Whirlwind Heracross out and PP stall it, unless Heracross has Guts activated. Even then, Reflect and Roost should eventually beat Heracross.</p>


    Great job on this ^_^
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    EDIT: TO THE OP: I have implemented some of these changes. However, the analysis is far from done.

    I would like to say that the analysis is missing out on a lot of things here. Below are things that could be fixed/added. However, me and Theorymon are still not done with nitpicking this analysis, but this is what we have so far.

    CHOICE SCARF and OVERVIEW


    1) The overview seems a bit misleading – Heracross isn’t exactly bulky and I’m sure 120 BP dual STABs from 383 Attack can be considered extremely powerful. The overview also needs a comparison to Scizor, because well it’s important for the audience to note its advantages over the steel mantis. Be sure to mention its resistances to Dark and Fighting here as well! <- done, partly

    2) Although the set comments imply it, make it clear that Scarf Heracross is one of the best Darkrai check in the game (well after Primeape…) - Done

    3) Clarify the EV spread for Scarf Hera. What up with the reduced Atk EVs and the few HP EVs?

    4) The bit about poisoned Heracross in the Choice Scarf set comments conflicts with the info in the Counters section. Remember that Guts activation is only a bonus, not “the key” <-Done

    5) Stone Edge >> Night Slash on the Scarf set (Night Slash can then be moved into where Stone Edge used to be). Night Slash doesn’t even 2HKO Giratina-O (barring Guts), and Stone Edge allows Heracross to murder Ho-oh and Rayquaza. - Done

    6) I’d say Pursuit’s main utility is trapping Latios and Latias. Blissey can just use Protect and Wish itself back to good health. Also, Toxic should be mentioned in the Scarf set because it can break down Lugia and is probably its best option against Giratina-O. - Done, haven't mentioned Toxic yet.

    7) "<p>Choice Scarf Heracross performs much better in Ubers than OU thanks to the lack of Gliscor and Rotom" <- remove it because we aren’t reading an Uber analysis to learn about OU. Also, it’s pretty questionable too, since Ubers has Heracross’ biggest fears, Giratina-O and Giratina. - Done

    8) “A moveset consisting of Ice Beam, Hidden Power Fire, Stealth Rock, and Spikes can kill Scizor and Rayquaza, as well as Forretress who could Rapid Spin the entry hazards laid out.” <- delete this. - Done

    9) Why isn’t Giratina-O mentioned at all on the first set? It sure is a better counter to Heracross than Ho-oh and Lugia! - Done

    10) Mention that Sleep Talk will fail after one use under a choice item. - Done

    11) Mention that Wobb can completely annihilate Heracross locked into anything but Megahorn. On the flipside of things, mention how having Megahorn makes it hard for Wobbuffet to switch in (making this a selling point for a Scarfer) - Done

    12) While Darkrai can handle Giratina and Lugia fine I’d be really careful about Ho-oh lol. - Done, sorta

    13) If possible, expand the team options to include defensive synergies between heracross and its teammates. Put in more teammates too, if you can. - Added a bit more

    14) Mention that Jolly Choice Scarf Heracross outruns Modest Scarfogre. - Done

    15) You –may- want to import the calcs you’ve done in the Uber Heracross thread.

    CHOICE BAND

    1) “If Guts have been actitivated, Heracross can 2HKO or OHKO every Pokemon commonly used in Ubers with Close Combat or Megahorn, with the exception of Ho-Oh and very bulky Giratina-o.”<- first of all, it’s “activated”, and secondly, you didn’t mention Giratina-A. - Done

    2) Include the calcs provided by darknessmalice in the other Uber Heracross thread. He made a giant post about CBCross – you can’t miss it. May want to edit a few things.

    3) Pursuit should be slashed in with Sleep Talk. When partnered up with Tickle Wobbuffet, Heracross can actually get rid of Giratina-A. Furthermore, Will-o-Wisp isn’t going to save it (unlike vs TTar or Scizor), due to Guts. 4 tickles are needed to destroy a switching Giratina without Guts, two Tickles with Guts. Also, remove Pursuit from Optional Changes. - Done

    4) Along with the previous set this set really needs to expand on its teammates and issues. For instance, faster powerhouses like Specs Kyogre will murder Heracross. For instance, Kyogre is a great teammate for Hera because Drizzle helps with taking fire attacks yadahyadah. - Kind of done.

    5) “Forretress makes a fairly reliable partner to Heracross, luring in Fire-type attacks and Pokemon early which can later be trapped by Wobbuffet, put to sleep by Darkrai, or simply eliminated with other Pokemon.”<- what in the blue cheese…????? <- deleted, Done.

    6) May want to mention Night Slash in set comments because it can 2HKO Giratina-O. - Done

    7) In the Optional Changes, why would you ever recommend Rest on a Choice Band set X_X - lol, Done

    SUBSALAC


    1) Is there a reason to not max Speed?

    2) "The only Pokemon likely capable of outspeeding Heracross after the boost will be Choice Scarf Palkia, Choice Scarf Garchomp, Choice Scarf Dialga and some forms of Deoxys. " <- Mention: Scarf Mewtwo, Scarf Darkrai, Scarf Shaymin-S, Scarf Jirachi, Scarf Timid Kyogre, and if you want, Kingdra in rain. - Done

    3) Add calcs to show its power.

    4) Quoting Theorymon because I'm too tired to turn it into my own words: 15:47 <Heracrossmon> team options obviously need a huge expansion mentioning defensive snyergy, stuff like Mixquaza for Groudon, and the big problems for ALL Heracross sets

    5) What Scarf Deoxys-S sets up both layers of Spikes and Stealth Rock? It sets up Spikes but rarely sets up Stealth Rock. - Done, sorta...

    6) Forretress shouldn't have a paragraph dedicated to itself. Once again, teammate expansion is needed.

    COUNTERS

    1) Ho-oh isn't a major Heracross counter, with Stone Edge OHKOing it as well as CC 2HKOing after Stealth Rock - Done

    2) Giratina-O needs to be mentioned. How can you not mention one of Heracross' best counters? - Done

    3) Forretress can also set up on Scarf Heracross as long as it avoids Close Combat - Done

    4) Lugia fails to counter CB Heracross because if it uses Roost, Megahorn will hit its Psychic typing for super-effective damage - Done

    5) Scizor is an issue, 2HKOing Heracross with Bullet Punch. Furthermore, CB Scizor OHKOes Heracross after Close Combat - Done
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    jib did a ton of work for this and making it better, i updated stuff like damage calcs and a little expansion on some parts. i will go through again to try and further expand if needed to, but jib (and theorymon) thanks so much for helping me out with this.
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    Suggestion: Give the Choice Bander 64 Speed EVs to outpace low speed base 90s. Getting that Close Combat in on defensive Kyogre, support Groudon, slower variants of Dialga, and even Ho-Oh can be a life saver. In return, you only lose a little bit of bulk.
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    hi i need 2 people to do new GP on this please, sorry for the inconvience but i think i received them before jibaku and i edited all the changes in. i also need to get this done and uploaded, thanks
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    [OVERVIEW]
    <p>Heracross is often considered to be inferior to its metallic Bug-typed brethren brother (singular), Scizor, but this assumption does is not hold true at all in Ubers. With access to STAB Megahorn and Close Combat, coupled by the fact that many Pokemon in Ubers are weak to Bug- and Fighting- type attacks, Heracross can thrive in Ubers with its Choice Scarf and Choice Band sets. Heracross separates itself from other offensive Pokemon by welcoming Poison and Burn to boost its already large Attack stat even more. Heracross's unique resistances to Fighting- and Dark- type attacks, moderate Speed, and humongous power are its advantages over Scizor. These Its traits make it an excellent candidate for any team, especially for those in need of a good Darkrai check counter. Although it lacks the doesn't quite match the bulk of many other Pokemon in uUbers, it is sufficiently so to not be OHKOed by enough to take at least one hit from many threats.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Close Combat
    move 2: Megahorn
    move 3: Stone Edge
    move 4: Sleep Talk / Night Slash / Toxic / Pursuit
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Guts
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 56 HP / 216 Atk / 4 SpD / 232 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With a Choice Scarf attached, and the given EVs with an Adamant nature, Heracross reaches 396 Speed which is enough to outspeed max Speed Darkrai and Mewtwo, and OHKO either with both of whom are OHKOed by Megahorn. This already separates Heracross from other Bug-types such as Scizor who cannot hope to outspeed either with just a Choice Scarf and can consequently subsequently be Flamethrowered or Dark Voided by the faster Mewtwo and Darkrai, respectively. Heracross can also take down many of the most common Ubers with Stealth Rock and Spikes support, such as Dialga, who is guaranteed to be OHKOed by Close Combat after Stealth Rock. Choice Scarf Heracross' main selling point, however, is being able to almost perfectly check counter Darkrai thanks to its resistance to Dark Pulse and Focus Blast, ability to absorb sleep with Sleep Talk and the ability to OHKO it at will.</p>

    <p>Close Combat, Megahorn, and Stone Edge are all necessary to achieve 2HKOs on most Uber Pokemon. The last move depends solely on Heracross's needs. Sleep Talk allows Heracross to switch in on Darkrai's Dark Void, while having as Heracross's next attack will be boosted by Guts. However, Sleep Talk can only be used once while holding a Choice item; subsequent uses will cause the move to fail. Night Slash is Heracross' most powerful attack against Giratina-O, although it is only a 3HKO at best. Toxic is Heracross' best option against incoming Lugia and Giratina-o (I assume you mean the regular wall Giratina here..), and although it won't do any immediate damage, it will severely hinder both of them for the rest of the match. Finally, Pursuit can hurt Latios, Latias, and Mewtwo as they switch out, fearing Megahorn. However, being trapped into a 40 Base Power attack is less than ideal.</p>

    <p>Heracross' ability, Guts, allows it to take advantage of status, most notably from Burn and PoisonToxic Spikes, Blissey's Toxic, and Mewtwo's Will-o-Wisp. The boost from its ability will then allows Heracross to 2HKO or OHKO all commonly used Pokemon in Ubers except Giratina-O and Giratina. Despite this boost, however, keep in mind that the aforementioned moves and Pokemon tend to appear on stall-based teams and will very likely have either Giratina-O or Giratina as a team member.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross needs proper Spikes and Stealth Rock support to be a major threat in Ubers. Deoxys leads have access to both Stealth Rock and Spikes, and can often lure in priority users who could otherwise easily revenge kill Heracross. Lugia, Ho-Oh, Giratina-O and Giratina are often major issues for Heracross., making Darkrai is an excellent partner, being able to destroy Lugia, Giratina, and Giratina-O with relative ease with Dark Pulse, although it must be wary switching into the latter due to its powerful Draco Meteor. Kyogre's bulk, resistance to Fire-type attacks, and ability to Calm Mind makes it a perfect partner for Heracross, as it can eliminate Ho-Oh, Lugia, and Giratina fairly easily. Kyogre's Drizzle also weakens Fire-type attacks for Heracross, allowing it to often survive a hit from the likes of Mewtwo, Choice Scarf Palkia and Dialga and retaliate with its powerful STABs Megahorn or Close Combat. If Heracross is locked into anything but Megahorn, Wobbuffet can annihilate it with Counter. Unfortunately, Wobbuffet can not be countered thanks to Shadow Tag. Mixed attackers such as Dialga and Palkia can often lure in Wobbuffet and destroy it with a combination of their mixed sets special and physical attacks. Thanks to Dialga's convenient typing, it can counter Giratina and Giratina-O as well, while Heracross resists Dialga's weaknesses to Ground and Fighting. Palkia's quad-resistance to Fire- and Water- type moves also allow it to absorb some of the most powerful attacks aimed at Heracross. </p>

    <p>Wobbuffet makes another fantastic partner to Heracross, as it can not only trap Lugia and kill it with Mirror Coat if it decides to attack, but it can also revenge kill Pokemon with Choice Scarf that can revenge kill Heracross, such as Choice Scarf Dialga or Choice Scarf Palkia. If you opt to use Wobbuffet, another sweeper such as Rayquaza will make an excellent partner to Heracross, cleaning up any Pokemon Heracross failed to finish off.</p>

    <p>To outspeed Deoxys-A and Modest Choice Scarf Kyogre, a Jolly nature is necessary. However, neither are common, so the choice in losing the power for speed the coverage is entirely up to the user.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Close Combat
    move 2: Megahorn
    move 3: Stone Edge
    move 4: Sleep Talk / Pursuit / Night Slash
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Guts
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 248 HP / 232 Atk / 24 SpD / 4 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Almost identical to the Choice Scarf set, but with a key difference in power and bulk. With the HP EVs, Heracross becomes a Pokemon that can survive almost any attack and OHKO back with one of its STAB attacks. Unlike the Choice Scarf set, Guts is not a necessity to hit hard, thanks to the boost already given by Choice Band.</p>

    <p>Although Guts activation isn't necessary to achieve this set's goals, the boost in power will decimate defensive teams without a proper answer to Heracross. If With Guts has been activated, Heracross can 2HKO or OHKO every Pokemon commonly used in Ubers with just Close Combat or Megahorn, with the exception of Ho-Oh and Giratina. Stone Edge OHKOes Ho-Oh and provides a more powerful attack against Giratina-O than Megahorn. Sleep Talk turns Heracross into an excellent check to Darkrai, resisting Dark Pulse and Focus Blast while still being able to attack if Dark Voided, OHKOing back with Heracross's powerful, Guts-boosted attacks. Once again, keep in mind that Sleep Talk will only work once as long as Heracross is holding a Choice item. Should one not wish to use Heracross as a sleep absorber, Pursuit is a fine choice. With support from Tickle Wobbuffet, Heracross can remove its greatest counter, Giratina. It takes four Tickles for Heracross to OHKO a switching Giratina with Pursuit, and two Tickles if Guts is activated. Speaking of Guts, Heracross sets itself apart from other Pursuiters such as Scizor and Tyranitar as it means that not even Will-o-Wisp can save Giratina's life. Night Slash allows Heracross to 2HKO Giratina-O, something that it can not do with the previous set.</p>

    [Additional Comments]
    <p>Heracross should rely on what bulk it has when employing a Choice Band set. If one uses more Speed, it should only be enough to outspeed 16 Speed Groudon and Dialga, as any more will result in likely losing the bulk that allows Heracross to take many Uber attacks.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock is needed like always, giving Heracross a better chance to kill Ho-Oh, Rayquaza, and many other Uber Pokemon. Unlike the previous set, Lugia fails to wall this set as Heracross is slower and will pierce Lugia with Megahorn as it eliminates its Flying- type via Roost. Kyogre is once again a great partner as it can kill Ho-Oh and weaken Fire-type attacks via Drizzle. With Fire-type attacks and Pokemon weakened and/or eliminated, Heracross will more likely not have to contend with one of its major weaknesses.</p>

    <p>Since Choice Band Heracross lacks speed, faster powerhouses such as Choice Specs Kyogre, Latios and Life Orb Dialga can OHKO Heracross with their most own powerful STAB attacks. Choice Scarf Palkia can take on Kyogre's Water Spout and Surf, and hit back hard with Thunder, Draco Meteor, or Spacial Rend. Palkia can also revenge kill Latios and moderately weakened Dialga.</p>

    <p>Heracross should not be the center of a team when using this set. Instead, it should be used merely to help other Pokemon, such as Rayquaza and Groudon, set up instead. After drawing out and killing Lugia with Heracross, these other Pokemon can easily sweep teams with either Rock Polish, Swords Dance, or Dragon Dance. Heracross's typing and bulk provide it one of the best advantages in Ubers; KOing an opponent's Pokemon and seeing what their next counter in line is.</p>

    [SET]
    name: SubSalac
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Swords Dance
    move 3: Close Combat
    move 4: Megahorn
    item: Salac Berry
    ability: Swarm
    nature: Jolly
    ivs: 30 HP
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Heracross's most interesting set, and certainly viable if used correctly. The goal is to switch in on something that can't do much to Heracross, such as Forretress, and Substitute. The opponent will likely bring in a much faster Pokemon to break the Substitutes, which results in Heracross constantly using Substitute until Salac Berry activates. Assuming Substitute is still intact, Heracross can then Swords Dance and attempt to sweep. Heracross subbing down to Salac Berry activation also activates the dual effect of Swarm, multiplying Megahorn's power by 1.5times 1.5. Along with STAB, the power of Heracross's Megahorn reaches an effective base power level of 270. and with a Swords Dance then boosts this comes to a whopping 540!</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <h3>Damage Calculations</h3>
    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li> +2 Swarm Megahorn vs 32 HP / 0 Def Rayquaza 86.91% - 102.23% <li>
    <li>+2 Swarm Megahorn vs 252 HP / 32 Def Groudon 102.72% - 121.29% </li>
    <li>+2 Swarm Megahorn vs 252 HP / 64 Def Lugia 104.09% - 122.60% </li>
    <li>+2 Close Combat vs 224 HP / 0 Def Ho-oh 50.61% - 59.90% </li>
    </ul>

    <p>252 Speed allows Heracross to outspeed max Speed, Modest Choice Scarf Kyogre after a Salac Berry boost. However, there are still several Pokemon capable of outspeeding Heracross after the boost, namely Choice Scarf bearing Pokemon with equal to or greater than 90 base Speed such as Palkia, Dialga, Shaymin-S, Mewtwo, Jirachi, Darkrai, and Timid Kyogre. After Substitute is broken, Heracross will likely have no way of stopping priority attacks. With the prevalence of Groudon and Kyogre in Ubers, a mixed Tyranitar is a phenomenal partner, as the weather will likely change later. Tyranitar can lure in Scizor and Fire Blast to OHKO them, as well as take down Giratina-o with Crunch or Pursuit. Rayquaza also falls victim to Ice Beam. Rayquaza, Scizor, and Giratina-o commonly use priority attacks, making Heracross's job much easier with them eliminated.</p>

    <p>Wobbuffet, who always pairs well with Heracross, does phenomenally well here too, trapping and OHKOing most Choice Scarf Pokemon that would outspeed Heracross after a Salac Berry boost. In return, Heracross does an excellent job of taking out Wobbuffet's biggest threat, Darkrai and Taunt + Calm Mind Mewtwo.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>Wobbuffet is the best Pokemon to pair up with Heracross, no matter what the set. His ability to trap and kill other Choice Scarfers, as well as trap Lugia, make Wobbuffet the premiere Pokemon to pair with Heracross. Tyranitar, oddly enough, makes an excellent partner to both Pokemon, finishing off Pokemon that Wobbuffet Tickles with Pursuit, as well as taking down Giratina and Ho-Oh, two of the biggest problems for Heracross.</p>

    <p>A Choice Scarf Deoxys-s lead combines very well with Heracross, usually rendering the opponent's lead useless, and then setting up Spikes. If the Pokemon that is Tricked is Groudon, then Heracross can sweep much more easily. Bulky Pokemon such as Dialga and Groudon can accompany Deoxys-S and set up Stealth Rock. Rayquaza also makes an excellent partner, finishing off what Heracross can't with ExtremeSpeed, and can sweep much easier with Lugia and Latias gone, both of whom can be beaten or at the very least in the case of Lugia, lured out, with Heracross.</p>

    <p>Forretress is another great Pokemon to use with Heracross, as it can use screens to give Heracross more bulk, as well as lure in Fire-types and use Explosion, clearing the field for Heracross later. Forretress is another Pokemon that can use Spikes, Stealth Rock, or Toxic Spikes.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>Heracross can use a Rest and Sleep Talk set with Bulk Up and Megahorn, but PP can run out quickly and Megahorn may will end up missing at an unfavorable timea few times. Dialga is the superior option for such a set. A Swords Dance sweeper with Close Combat, Night Slash, and Megahorn can be used, but needs Wobbuffet to set up and has no priority to finish off faster sweepers. Lucario would be a far superior option.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Giratina and Giratina-O are Heracross' greatest counters thanks to their immense bulk, immunity to Close Combat, and resistance to Megahorn, although the latter can be 2HKOed by Choice Banded Night Slash. Ho-Oh sports a quadruple resistance to Megahorn as well as a 2x resistance to Close Combat, and can easily OHKO Heracross with Brave Bird or Sacred Fire. However, Ho-Oh is OHKOed by Stone Edge and 2HKOed by Close Combat after taking Stealth Rock damage. Lugia can switch into Choice Scarf Heracross and stall it out with Reflect and Roost. Scizor can easily handle the Choice Scarf set due to its resistance to Megahorn and the ability to 2HKO Heracross with Bullet PunchMegahorn or OHKO after a Defense drop from Close Combat. Furthermore, Scizor can OHKO Heracross with Choice Banded Bullet Punch after a Defense drop from Close Combat. Bullet Punch will also pick off SubSalac Heracross if the Substitute is not up. Finally, Wobbuffet can revenge any Heracross not locked into Megahorn.</p>

    <p>Groudon's bulk and Fire Punch can make quick work of Heracross, usually surviving whatever Heracross throws at it. Rayquaza boasts resists to both of Heracross's main attacks, and can finish it off with a STAB Dragon-type attack or ExtremeSpeed if Heracross is SubSalac. Forretress can set up entry hazards against Choice Scarf Heracross as long as it avoids Close Combat.</p>

    <p>Faster Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Dialga, Palkia, Shaymin-S, and Jirachi can often make short work of Heracross. The former two can smash it with Fire Blast (or Surf in Palkia's case, should it be raining), Shaymin-S can OHKO with Air Slash and Jirachi can flinch Heracross to death with Iron Head. However, none of these Pokemon will enjoy switching into Heracross' powerful moves and, with the exception of Shaymin-S, can lose to Choice Band Heracross one on one under certain circumstances.</p>

    <p>As much as Heracross will enjoy Toxic Spikes at first, they will eventually wear down Heracross quickly, which means it is actually not a terrible idea to use against it, especially if you have a solid Heracross counter to help neutralize the boost from Guts.</p>


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    For the damage calculation section you don't need the <h3> stuff.

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