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High Expectations

Discussion in 'BW Other Teams' started by Amon_, Sep 30, 2013.

  1. Amon_

    Amon_

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    Hello people. I need some help making this team the best way i could. I could use some suggestions...

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    I have spent alot of time making this time. Always making constant changes and what not. This team orginally came from a core of kecleon and eviolite haunter. But i realized it wasn't that good for the UU tier. I needed drastic changes if i ever was to become sucessfull at the uu tier. New, i decided to post here, where some pro's could suggest stuff to me.However if your wondering if this team is any good, it goes up and down on the ladder. The lowest point i got to with it was 890 and the highest i got to was 1330. So yeah, it is very potent and viable in most situations.



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    "Intro" (Empoleon) @ leftovers
    Trait: Torrent
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Hydro Pump
    - Ice Beam
    - Roar
    - Stealth Rock​
    Really bulky pokemon that is a good reliable stealth rocker. Nearly of all games i have with this thing, i end up having rocks. This thing loves to eat special attacks.... I honestly think empoleon is a great pokemon capable of sponging some hit's from kingdra. And it did shock me when i found out barely any other rmt's have empoleon in it. So here goes...

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    "Back Story" (Vileplume) @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Effect Spore
    EVs: 136 HP / 140 Def / 32 SAtk / 200 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Aromatherapy
    - Giga Drain
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Stun Spore​
    You might wonder why i use this over pokemon like roserade or even amoongus. Well one i like being unique. And you'd be surprised at how many times it puts fake out and mach punch users to sleep. It is also incredbly bulky (more so than you might think). I also like to spam stun spore. Slude Bomb is there so it can poison that ever so annoying Xatu.

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    "Chorus" (Hitmontop) @ Leftovers
    EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 152 Def / 12 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Mach Punch
    - Rapid Spin
    - Fake Out
    - Toxic​
    I prefer top over toise as my spinner. People expect me to run Foresight.... But i don't.. So.. yeah. Straight Forward set... I also love to to fake out/mach punch combo scary things like weavile and bisharp. Although defiant on bisharp followed by a sucker punch would make it more worst than it already is.

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    "Awakening" (Raikou) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Substitute
    - Calm Mind
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Ice]​
    This thing scares out many things. It also outspeeds many things. So it get's up sub's incredibly easy. I run max ev's in special defence to make it able to take a hit or two.. Then with calm mind, Raikou is incredbly more hard to take down. It set's up on so much stuff, it's not even funny >.>

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    "Antagonist" (Swellow) @ Flame Orb
    Trait: Guts
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - U-turn
    - Protect
    - Brave Bird
    - Facade​
    This is a member of the gang i don't mind getting the boot. This spot was once many pokemon ranging from Mandibuzz to even bisharp. I wasn't sure what i needed for this spot. So i chose swellow and it's able to pull it's weight effectively. However if this pokemon is outclassed tell me. I'll change it.
    I sweeped with this late game quite a few times.

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    "Endgame" (Slowbro) @ Brightpowder
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Psychic
    - Slack Off
    - Ice Beam​
    I wish i had a penny for how many times U-Turn and other moves miss on this little derpy guy. Brightpowder isn't reliable i know, but slowbro can totally use the extra turn or two to burn with scald. I noticed flygon was a issue to the team so ice beam was added. Anyway, overal this is my answer to Band Victini and Darmintan.
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    Intro (Empoleon) (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Torrent
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Roar
    - Hydro Pump
    - Ice Beam

    Chorus (Hitmontop) (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 152 Def / 12 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Mach Punch
    - Rapid Spin
    - Fake Out
    - Toxic

    Antagonist (Swellow) (F) @ Flame Orb
    Trait: Guts
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - U-turn
    - Protect
    - Brave Bird
    - Facade

    Back Story (Vileplume) (F) @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Effect Spore
    EVs: 136 HP / 140 Def / 32 SAtk / 200 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Aromatherapy
    - Giga Drain
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Stun Spore

    Awakening (Raikou) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Substitute
    - Calm Mind
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    Endgame (Slowbro) (F) @ BrightPowder
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Psychic
    - Slack Off
    - Ice Beam
  2. Patrick1088

    Patrick1088

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    Welcome to smogon! This is an interesting team to say the least so kudos on being different.
    1. Run scald > hydro pump on empoleon. The ability to burn pokes makes empoleon very difficult to take down both specially and pbysically.
    2. I dont see the point of running mach punch and fake out on top. Without the tech boost theyre weak. I recommend switching this set to the ohysically defensive set on smogon with close combat/sucker punch/rapid spin/ toxic. Youll find it much easier to use.
    3. Im not too convinced on vileplume tbh. 75/85/100 isnt all that good. I recommend umbreon over vileplume who has heal bell and can wish pass. Synchronize is more reliable than effect spore.
    4. I need to run calcs on swellow but lets just say that swellow loves wish passinv since itll be switching out and burn dmg.
    5. Raikou is good.
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    Do you realize that you have only only have swellow and top as your physical attackers? I dont think you need another special attacker with bro. Perhaps a fast scarfer like mienshao who can pick off flygon with hjk or hp ice. It can be a great momentum grabber with u turn.
  3. LightningLuxray

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    Just a quick rate, but Vileplume is really outclassed by Roserade in every sense of the word. I would keep recommend this Roserade set, which is faster, more specially defensive, and has access to Spikes:

    Roserade @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 240 SDef / 16 Spd
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Spikes
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Rest
    - Giga Drain

    Next, I would change your Hitmontop to a more physically defensive set, which will help it better take hit from physical attackers:

    Hitmontop (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SDef / 252 Def
    Impish Nature
    - Sucker Punch
    - Rapid Spin
    - Toxic
    - Close Combat

    Next, I've noticed you have three Pokemon weak to electric, meaning Flygon would be a better choice than Swellow. I would personally go with the Scarfed set, seeing as this team has no revenge killer.

    Flygon @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Jolly Nature
    - Outrage
    - Dragon Claw
    - Earthquake
    - U-turn

    Anyways, I hope this helps, and have fun in UU! :D

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