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Honchkrow

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  1. TrollFreak

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    Honchkrow


    [Overview]


    <p>With a base Attack stat of 125, Honchkrow is the perfect definition of what the mafia should be. With a wide movepool that consists of one of the best priority moves in the game, Sucker Punch, Honchkrow can easily pick off weakened opponents. When Honchkrow isn't using Sucker Punch, it can rip teams apart with Brave Bird, which hits an unbelievable 180 base power after the STAB boost is calculated. Also, unlike most Flying-type Pokemon, Honchkrow can hit Rock- and Steel-type Pokemon with Superpower, which has a chance to OHKO even Chople Berry Tyranitar. If that didn't make Honchkrow good enough, it also gets two viable abilities, one that makes it immune to sleep inducing moves; the other giving Honchkrow an Attack boost after every KO it gets, making that base 125 Attack stat look even scarier. However, Honchkrow has it's faults. With a very disappointing (for a Flying-type, at least) base 71 Speed and thin defenses, finding an opportunity to outspeed and KO the mafia bird isn't very hard to do, especially for Pokemon that resist Sucker Punch. However, it's called the Big Boss Pokemon for a reason, as teams without an effective check to Honchkrow will get torn apart with ease.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical
    move 1: Sucker Punch
    move 2: Brave Bird / Drill Peck
    move 3: Superpower / Night Slash
    move 4: Protect
    item: Life Orb / Focus Sash
    ability: Insomnia / Moxie
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set
    maximizes the sheer power of Honchkrow by using a Life Orb. Brave Bird, boosted with a Life Orb, hits very hard and puts dents in just about anything that doesn't resist it. However, since it is resisted by Rock- and Steel-type Pokemon, Superpower is highly recommended, as it allows Honchkrow to clear out Pokemon such as Heatran and Tyranitar, which resist the Dark / Flying type combination. However, even with these powerful attacks, taking out faster Pokemon such as Latios and Chandelure is very difficult to do. Therefore, Sucker Punch is used to attack faster Pokemon such as the Lati twins, Chandelure, and Tornadus hard, OHKOing the Lati twins and Chandelure. If used with Moxie, Honchkrow gets a Attack boost while KOing a threat, which is always useful for a team. Protect is a staple in doubles as it allows Honchkrow to avoid damage, allowing its partner to take care of any threats.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>If using Superpower,
    Honchkrow cannot use Moxie. Don't worry though, as Insomnia makes it immune to sleep, allowing it to check Pokemon like Breloom and Amoonguss better, as well as take on sun sweepers with Sleep Powder, such as Venusaur and Jumpluff. Moxie is the best for this set, as Life Orb + Moxie boosts turn Honchkrow into an absolute monster. Using an Adamant nature means that Honchkrow has as much power as possible, as most base 70 Pokemon don't use a positive Speed nature anyway. Maximizing Speed is only useful for checking Breloom, as Honchkrow will not be able to take any of the mushroom boxer's hits. Utilizing Tailwind support Pokemon such as Whimsicott and Suicune means that Honchkrow keeps its maximum power while outpacing the opponent's team regardless of match up, and both Suicune and Whimsicott can take care of Rock-type Pokemon. In addition, Whimsicott can use Encore to make Honchkrow's sweep easier.</p>

    <p>Night Slash can be used if you don't decide to use Superpower, clearing up the slot for Moxie. Drill Peck
    can be used if the Brave Bird recoil is just to much to handle, though there is a very noticeable power drop. If using Drill Peck, Focus Sash is now the item of choice, as it allows Honchkrow to take an attack at full health, and this is especially useful with Honchkrow's frail defenses. A Dark Gem can also be used in this set, which is really good if your team is built around Honchkrow getting a late-game sweep. Also, Honchkrow will take alot of damage thanks to Brave Bird and Life Orb, so a Pokemon with Heal Pulse, such as Lucario or Latias, makes a great partner, especially Latias as she can set up Tailwind. Choice Scarf and Moxie pair really well together, but if running a Scarf, use Jolly to outspeed Scarf Politoed and Metagross by 1 point, which can determine to tide of the match.</p>


    [Other Options]

    <p>There isn't much Honchkrow can use that
    is better off on another Pokemon. Thunder Wave can be used to slow down faster Pokemon, meaning that Honchkrow can outspeed and sweep easier, but Pokemon such as Murkrow and Cresselia pull this off better thanks to Prankster or better bulk, respectively. Power Herb + Sky Attack can be used as a one-time powerful attack, but if the opponent uses Protect as you use Sky Attack, the Power Herb is wasted. Honchkrow can set up its own Tailwind, but this means Honchkrow loses a coverage attack or Protect, so this is usually done better by bulkier Pokemon. With base 105 Special Attack, a special set can be useful, especially since it gets moves such as Air Slash and Heat Wave. Taunt can be used to stop an opposing Pokemon from setting up,like Trick Room teams, Spore users such as Breloom, or any other boosting Pokemon in the metagame. Lastly, Super Luck can be used with a Scope Lens and Night Slash to abuse the high critical hit rate. However, this is very lucked based and is not recommended.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Even a Pokemon as awesome as Honchkrow has its fair share of checks and counters. Tyranitar and
    Heatran make good checks, as Chople Berry and Focus Sash variants can take a Superpower and OHKO with Rock Slide or Heat Wave, respectively. However, a Life Orb Honchkrow can OHKO even a Chople Berry Tyranitar, so caution must be used if Tyranitar is your check. Zapdos is also a great check, as it resists Brave Bird and can OHKO with a STAB Thunderbolt, but a Life Orb boosted Sucker Punch will hurt. Metagross takes any attack other than the rare Heat Wave, and it can OHKO with a combination of Meteor Mash and Bullet Punch. Gyarados has Intimidate, cutting the mafia bird's Attack stat, meaning it can take a Brave Bird and also deals good damage with Waterfall or Stone Edge. Gyarados can also slow Honchkrow down with Icy Wind or Thunder Wave.</p>
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    Ready for QC, also, can QC discuss the viability of a mixed set
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    Discussed this with Solace on irc and:

    -Ditch the special set, doesn't hit anything significantly harder than the physical set. As for a mixed set, the only special move you'd really wanna run is Heat Wave, which needs max SpA to 2HKO Metagross, and you shouldn't need to run that much SpA just for a 2HKO. Mention a mixed set in OO but overall it's not worth it

    -Make Superpower the main slash on the physical set, without it Tyranitar/Heatran wall it to no end. Superpower OHKOes Tyranitar w/o Chople (and has a chance to OHKO Chople with LO), and OHKOes min HP Heatran and has a chance on max HP Heatran, so it's definitely worth it. This means you can't run Moxie but Insomnia is a great ability anyway, turns Honchkrow into a hard counter for Amoonguss and a solid check for Breloom

    -Scarf and Moxie pair really well together, so mention Scarf in AC and slash Moxie behind Insomnia. If running a Scarf though, mention using Jolly to outspeed Scarf Politoed/Metagross by 1 point

    -This thing needs Tailwind support really bad if it wants to have a chance at taking on faster mons, make sure that's stressed when you mention teammates. As for setting it up itself, it can't waste a turn when any stray Rock Slide/Thunderbolt/Ice Beam either kills it or puts it in range of priority, so it's better left off to faster/bulkier mons
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    Fixed all of the above
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    A set me and Articuno64 have been discussing:

    Use Dark Gem instead, as it lets you fire off a super powerful Sucker Punch that KOs a bunch of stuff. With that, you get your moxie boost. You're now +1, and an opponent is down a pokemon.

    I have provided calcs

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    Sucker Punch

    With Dark Gem

    Assume Neutral Def nature, 0 Def EV

    252 HP Ev Zapdos: 64-75.1
    140 HP Ev Zapdos: 68.9-80.9
    252 HP Ev Metagross: 47.1-56.1
    4 HP Ev Garchomp: 62.5-73.9
    252 HP Ev Abomasnow: 70.1-82.7
    4 HP Ev Abomasnow: 83.6-98.8
    252 HP Ev Politoed: 70.1-82.7
    4 HP Ev Politoed: 83.6-98.8
    252 HP Ev Cresselia: 82.8-98.7
    252 HP Ev Thundurus: 78-92.5
    4 HP Ev Thundurus: 93.5-111
    252 HP Ev Ludicolo: 77.5-92.0
    4 HP ev Ludicolo: 92.9-110.3
    252 HP Ev Tornadus: 78.0-92.5
    4 HP Ev Kingdra: 76.2-90.1
    100 HP Ev Kingdra: 70.6-83.4
    252 HP Ev Togekiss: 60-70.8
    252 HP Ev Ninetales: 76.7-90.6
    4 HP Ev Ninetales: 92.6-109.4
    252 HP Ev Rotom-W: 65.6-78.3

    252 HP Ev Tyranitar: 24.6-29
    4 HP Ev Weavile: 52.7-62.3
    4 HP Ev Infernape: 47.4-55.9
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    -Change the set comments and additional comments to reflect Superpower being slashed first and Insomnia being the main ability

    -Put Taunt and Super Luck in OO, Honchkrow is much better off attacking and Insomnia and Moxie are both superior abilities to Super Luck, relying on crits is not the way to go

    -Make sure to note in Checks and Counters that Tyranitar without Chople Berry/Focus Sash are OHKOed by Superpower and need a way to outspeed it, but when it can it destroys it. Heatran can OHKO with Eruption but needs a Chople Berry to guarantee survival, and has a chance to survive with max HP, otherwise it's getting OHKOed.

    -Rotom-W, Terrakion, and strong attacks (like rain-boosted Surf/Hydro Pump), and any mon with Ice Beam/Blizzard need to be in Checks and Counters

    edit: RAWR NINJA'D let me look over eraddd's post and see if any changes need to be made to mine >__>

    edit2: ok talked with Eraddd on irc and it really needs team support (i.e. Technitop Fake Out and spread damage) to get those guaranteed KOes, so put Dark Gem in AC with a sentence saying that it's really good if your team is built around Honchkrow getting a late-game sweep.

    After this and the previous changes then QC 1 / 2

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    Made the changes, thanks for the stamp, i'll wait on Dark Gem until JRank thinks about it

    EDIT- Will mention in AC, thanks
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    make sure to mention you'll be taking a lot of recoil with lo and brave bird

    QC 2/2
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    Ready for GP, thanks Jrank and Solace
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    Amateur GP check
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    [Overview]

    <p>With a base Attack stat of 125, Honchkrow is the perfect definition of what the mafia should be. With a wide movepool that consists of one of the best priority moves in the game, Sucker Punch, Honchkrow can easily pick off weakened opponents. When Honckrow isn't using Sucker Punch, it can ripping teams apart with Brave Bird, which hits an unbelievable 180 base power after STAB is calculated. Also, unlike most Flying-type Pokemon, Honchkrow can also has a way to hit Rock- and Steel-type Pokemon, (no comma) with Superpower, which has a chance to OHKO even Chople Berry Tyranitar. If that didn't make Honchkrow look good enough, it also gets two viable abilities, one that makes it immune to sleep inducing moves such as Sleep Powder and the ever popular Spore; the other giving Honchkrow an Attack boost after every KO it gets, making that base 125 Attack stat look even very scarier. However, Honckrow has it's faults. With a very disappointing (for a Flying-type, at least) base 71 Speed and thin defenses, finding an opportunity to outspeed and KO the mafia bird isn't very hard to do, especially for Pokemon that resist the priority Sucker Punch. However, it's called the Big Boss Pokemon for a reason. Teams without an effective check to Honchkrow will get torn apart with ease.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical
    move 1: Sucker Punch
    move 2: Brave Bird / Drill Peck
    move 3: Superpower / Night Slash
    move 4: Protect
    item: Life Orb / Focus Sash
    ability: Insomnia / Moxie
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set maximizes the sheer power of Honckrow by using a Life Orb. Brave Bird, boosted with a Life Orb, (no comma) hits very hard, (no comma) and puts dents in just about anything that doesn't resist it. However, since it is resisted by Rock- and Steel-type Pokemon, Superpower is highly recommended, as it allows Honchkrow to clear out Pokemon such as Heatran and Tyranitar, which resist the Dark / Flying type combination. However, even with these powerful attacks, taking out faster Pokemon such as Latios and Chandelure is very difficult to do. Therefore, Sucker Punch is used to attack faster Pokemon such as the Lati twins, Chandelure, and Tornadus hard, OHKOing the Lati twins and Chandelure, and if being used with Moxie, Honchkrow gets a Attack boost while KOing a threat, which is always useful for a team. Protect is staple in doubles as it allows Honchkrow to avoid damage, allowing its partner to take care of any threats.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>If using Superpower, Honchkrow cannot use Moxie. Don't worry though, as Insmonia makes it immune to sleep, allowing it to check pokemon like Breloom and Ammonguss better, as well as take on sun sweepers with Sleep Powder, (comma) in Sun such as Venasaur and Jumpluff. Moxie is the best for this set, as Life Orb + Moxie boosts turn Honchkrow into an absolute monster. Using an Adamant nature means that Honchkrow has as much power as possible, as most base 70 Pokemon don't use a positive Speed nature anyway.Maximizing Speed is only useful for checking best for Breloom, (comma) as Honchkrow will not be able to take any of the mushroom boxer's hits is not very bulky. (At least, I THINK that was what you were trying to say here...) Utilizing Tailwind support Pokemon such as Whimicott and Suicune means that Honchkrow keeps its maximum power while outpacing the opponent's team regardless of matchup, and both Suicune and Whimsicott can take care of Rock-type Pokemon. In addition, and Whimsicott can use Encore to make Honchkrow's sweep easier.</p>

    <p>Night Slash can be used if you don't decide to use Superpower, clearing up the slot for Moxie. Drill Peck can be used if the Brave Bird recoil is just to much to handle, though there is a very noticeable power drop. If using Drill Peck, Focus Sash is now the item of choice, (comma) as it allows Honchkrow to take an attack at full health, and this is especially useful with Honchkrow's frail defenses. A Dark Gem can also be used in this set, which is really good if your team is built around Honchkrow getting a late-game sweep. Also, Honchkrow will take alot of damage thanks to Brave Bird and Life Orb, so a Pokemon with Heal Pulse, (comma) such as Lucario or Latias, (comma) makes a great partner, espcially Latias as she can set up Tailwind. A Choice Scarf and Moxie pair really well together, but if running a Scarf though, use Jolly to outspeed Scarf Politoed and Metagross by 1 point, which can determine to tide of the match.</p>


    [Other Options]

    <p>There isn't much Honchkrow can use that is better off on another outclassed by other Pokemon. Thunder Wave can be used to slow down faster Pokemon, meaning that Honchkrow can outspeed and sweep easier, but, (no comma) Pokemon such as Murkrow and Cresselia pull this off better thanks to Prankster or better bulk, respectively. Power Herb + Sky Attack can be used as a one-time powerful attack, but if the opponent uses Protect as you use Sky Attack, the Power Herb is wasted. Honchkrow can set up its own Tailwind, but this means Honchkrow loses a coverage attack or Protect, so this is usually done better by bulkier Pokemon. With base 105 Special Attack, a special set can be useful, (comma) especially since it gets moves such as Air Slash and Heat Wave. Taunt can be used to stop an opposing set up, mostly Trick Room teams, Spore users such as Breloom, or any other random set up users in the metagame. Lastly, Super Luck can be used with a Scope Lens and Night Slash to abuse the high crit rate. (period) However, this is very lucked based, (no comma) and is not recommended.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Even Pokemon as awesome as Honchkrow has its fair share of checks and counters. Tyranitar and Heatran make good checks, as Chople Berry and Focus Sash variants can take a Superpower and OHKO with Rock Slide or Heat Wave, respectively. However, a Life Orb Honchkrow can OHKO even a Chople Berry Tyranitar, so caution must be used if Tyranitar is your check. Zapdos is also a great check, as it resists Brave Bird, (no comma) and can OHKO with a STAB Thunderbolt, but a Life Orb boosted Sucker Punch will hurt. Metagross takes any attack other than the rare Heat Wave, and it can OHKO with a combination of Meteor Mash and Bullet Punch. Gyarados has Intimidate, cutting the mafia bird's Attack stat, meaning it can take a Brave Bird, (no comma) and also deals good damage with Waterfall or OHKO with Stone Edge. (period) Gyarados can also slow Honchkrow down with Icy Wind or Thunder Wave.</p>
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    Implemented, just needs a check / stamp
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    Good job, Gato. ^.^

    Just try to avoid adding things like "the mushroom boxer's" if it isn't already in the analysis; "its" works just as well in this case.
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    Thanks, ready for Check #2
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    <p>With a base Attack stat of 125, Honchkrow is the perfect definition of what the mafia should be. With a wide movepool that consists of one of the best priority moves in the game, Sucker Punch, Honchkrow can easily pick off weakened opponents. When Honchkrow isn't using Sucker Punch,
    it can rip teams apart with Brave Bird, which hits an unbelievable 180 base power after the STAB boost is calculated. Also, unlike most Flying-type Pokemon, Honchkrow can hit Rock- and Steel-type Pokemon with Superpower, which has a chance to OHKO even Chople Berry Tyranitar. If that didn't make Honchkrow good enough, it also gets two viable abilities, one that makes it immune to sleep inducing moves; the other giving Honchkrow an Attack boost after every KO it gets, making that base 125 Attack stat look even scarier. However, Honchkrow has it's faults. With a very disappointing (for a Flying-type, at least) base 71 Speed and thin defenses, finding an opportunity to outspeed and KO the mafia bird isn't very hard to do, especially for Pokemon that resist the priority Sucker Punch. However, it's called the Big Boss Pokemon for a reason, as .(remove) Teams without an effective check to Honchkrow will get torn apart with ease.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical
    move 1: Sucker Punch
    move 2: Brave Bird / Drill Peck
    move 3: Superpower / Night Slash
    move 4: Protect
    item: Life Orb / Focus Sash
    ability: Insomnia / Moxie
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set
    maximizes the sheer power of Honchkrow by using a Life Orb. Brave Bird, boosted with a Life Orb,(add) hits very hard and puts dents in just about anything that doesn't resist it. However, since it is resisted by Rock- and Steel-type Pokemon, Superpower is highly recommended, as it allows Honchkrow to clear out Pokemon such as Heatran and Tyranitar, which resist the Dark / Flying type combination. However, even with these powerful attacks, taking out faster Pokemon such as Latios and Chandelure is very difficult to do. Therefore, Sucker Punch is used to attack faster Pokemon such as the Lati twins, Chandelure, and Tornadus hard, OHKOing the Lati twins and Chandelure.(add) ,(remove) and If used with Moxie, Honchkrow gets a Attack boost while KOing a threat, which is always useful for a team. Protect is a staple in doubles as it allows Honchkrow to avoid damage, allowing its partner to take care of any threats.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>If using Superpower,
    Honchkrow cannot use Moxie. Don't worry though, as Insomnia makes it immune to sleep, allowing it to check Pokemon like Breloom and Amoonguss better, as well as take on sun sweepers with Sleep Powder, such as Venusaur and Jumpluff. Moxie is the best for this set, as Life Orb + Moxie boosts turn Honchkrow into an absolute monster. Using an Adamant nature means that Honchkrow has as much power as possible, as most base 70 Pokemon don't use a positive Speed nature anyway.(space)Maximizing Speed is only useful for checking Breloom, as Honchkrow will not be able to take any of the mushroom boxer's hits. Utilizing Tailwind support Pokemon such as Whimsicott and Suicune means that Honchkrow keeps its maximum power while outpacing the opponent's team regardless of match up, and both Suicune and Whimsicott can take care of Rock-type Pokemon. In addition, Whimsicott can use Encore to make Honchkrow's sweep easier.</p>

    <p>Night Slash can be used if you don't decide to use Superpower, clearing up the slot for Moxie. Drill Peck
    can be used if the Brave Bird recoil is just to much to handle, though there is a very noticeable power drop. If using Drill Peck, Focus Sash is now the item of choice, as it allows Honchkrow to take an attack at full health, and this is especially useful with Honchkrow's frail defenses. A Dark Gem can also be used in this set, which is really good if your team is built around Honchkrow getting a late-game sweep. Also, Honchkrow will take a(space) lot of damage thanks to Brave Bird and Life Orb, so a Pokemon with Heal Pulse, such as Lucario or Latias, makes a great partner, especially Latias as she can set up Tailwind. Choice Scarf and Moxie pair really well together, but if running a Scarf, use Jolly to outspeed Scarf Politoed and Metagross by 1 point, which can determine to tide of the match.</p>


    [Other Options]

    <p>There isn't much Honchkrow can use that
    is better off on another Pokemon. Thunder Wave can be used to slow down faster Pokemon, meaning that Honchkrow can outspeed and sweep easier, but Pokemon such as Murkrow and Cresselia pull this off better thanks to Prankster or better bulk, respectively. Power Herb + Sky Attack can be used as a one-time powerful attack, but if the opponent uses Protect as you use Sky Attack, the Power Herb is wasted. Honchkrow can set up its own Tailwind, but this means Honchkrow loses a coverage attack or Protect, so this is usually done better by bulkier Pokemon. With base 105 Special Attack, a special set can be useful, especially since it gets moves such as Air Slash and Heat Wave. Taunt can be used to stop an opposing Pokemon from setting up, mostly like Trick Room teams, Spore users such as Breloom, or any other set up users boosting Pokemon in the metagame. Lastly, Super Luck can be used with a Scope Lens and Night Slash to abuse the high critical hit rate. However, this is very lucked based and is not recommended.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Even a Pokemon as awesome as Honchkrow has its fair share of checks and counters. Tyranitar and
    Heatran make good checks, as Chople Berry and Focus Sash variants can take a Superpower and OHKO with Rock Slide or Heat Wave, respectively. However, a Life Orb Honchkrow can OHKO even a Chople Berry Tyranitar, so caution must be used if Tyranitar is your check. Zapdos is also a great check, as it resists Brave Bird and can OHKO with a STAB Thunderbolt, but a Life Orb boosted Sucker Punch will hurt. Metagross takes any attack other than the rare Heat Wave, and it can OHKO with a combination of Meteor Mash and Bullet Punch. Gyarados has Intimidate, cutting the mafia bird's Attack stat, meaning it can take a Brave Bird and also deals good damage with Waterfall or Stone Edge. Gyarados can also slow Honchkrow down with Icy Wind or Thunder Wave.</p>


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    Meh, mushroom boxer sounds prestigious.

    Lesson learned
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