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Houndoom (QC 2/2) (GP 2/2)

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  1. lucariojr

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    you ain't nuthin but a houndoom

    [Overview]

    <p>When first considering Houndoom, it is most often compared to Chandelure, and rightfully so; much like Chandelure, Houndoom has the ability to hit Psychic-, Ghost-, and Grass-types. However, unlike Chandelure, it has remarkably bad defenses given its weakness to Fighting-type attacks and lack of immunity to Fake Out, as well as lower Special Attack, making Chandelure the more popular option. Houndoom does have two saving graces, however. The first is Sucker Punch, and the other is Unnerve, which enables Houndoom to reliably check common Steel-types such as Metagross and Scizor, with its STAB Fire-type moves without an Occa Berry blocking the KO. Still, its frailty and Fighting-type weakness, as well as heavy competition from Chandelure, keep Houndoom out of standard play and a rare sight outside of its small niche.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Unnerving Attacker
    move 1: Sucker Punch
    move 2: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Taunt
    move 4: Protect
    item: Focus Sash / Life Orb
    ability: Unnerve
    nature: Naive
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    ivs: 30 HP / 30 Def

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Houndoom is one of the few Pokemon that can claim a OHKO against Occa Berry Metagross, and with Sucker Punch, it is capable of OHKOing Latios with minor residual damage. Fire Blast is required to OHKO Metagross without any help from Houndoom's teammates, even with Life Orb, but Flamethrower is still useful should you have Pokemon to deal chip damage. Hidden Power Ice takes advantage of disabled Yache Berries to plow through standard Dragon-types, such as Garchomp and Dragonite, though it needs either Life Orb or chip damage for a clean OHKO. Taunt completely shuts down support Pokemon without moves to hit Houndoom, such as Cresselia, ensures Sucker Punch will always hit, and prevents Pokemon from using Protect. Protect is a fairly standard move in VGC, and it is very useful for waiting for Houndoom's teammate to deal chip damage to a target.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Houndoom doesn't have many tricks up its sleeve, there are a couple of changes to the main options one could make. A Dark Gem guarantees the KO on Latios with Sucker Punch, though that's about all it's good for. Dark Pulse, while certainly useful for dealing massive damage to Psychic-types, is illegal with Sucker Punch. If you can supply paralysis or Icy Wind support, Dark Pulse becomes more viable, but without it, Sucker Punch will be the more useful option.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that can take advantage of Houndoom's Unnerve ability spring to mind as good teammates. Amoonguss and Cresselia are thus excellent teammates, as they can cripple opponents without worry of Lum Berries, deal chip damage, and keep Houndoom safe from faster Pokemon. Mamoswine, Rotom-W, and most Fighting-types also make excellent candidates, as Yache Berry Garchomp, Wacan Berry Politoed, and Chople Berry Tyranitar are all less threatening when their Berry of choice is neutralized, and said teammates will often score a clean or near OHKO on these threats. Breloom presents the best of both worlds, as it is capable of OHKOing Politoed, Tyranitar, and even Rindo Berry Gastrodon with the appropriate STAB move, and can use Spore to put dangerous Pokemon to sleep.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Houndoom doesn't have much else going for it. Flame Charge is basically a boosting move that can deal necessary chip damage, but you're better off having a teammate that can accomplish that given Houndoom's frailty. STAB Overheat is as frightening a prospect as ever, but the main reason it's not on the set is because Houndoom is better off projecting its Unnerving presence rather than switching out to regain its full attacking stats. Sunny Day might not be particularly useful in most cases, but it can shield Houndoom from numerous harmful weather effects such as hail, sandstorm, and rain, also powering up Houndoom's STAB Fire-type moves. Counter in conjunction with a Focus Sash stands a good chance of wiping the floor with most Fighting-types, though the omnipresence of hail, sandstorm, and priority moves make it unappealing. Beat Up, when used with a Justified user such as Terrakion or Virizion, is somewhat unexpected of Houndoom, which can turn the battle in your favor in a heartbeat. The only things wrong with this is that Houndoom is somewhat slow compared to the two, meaning you'll have to wait until the next turn to abuse your +4 Attack Close Combat, and both Pokemon are susceptible to priority or Speed-modifying moves such as Tailwind and Trick Room. Lastly, Heat Wave might seem like a good spread move to use over Fire Blast or Flamethrower, but the only way for Houndoom to learn it is to transfer it from the fourth generation games, which in turn makes it incompatible with Unnerve.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Given Houndoom's Fighting-type weakness and low defenses, Pokemon that have access to STAB Mach Punch are no-brainers as checks. Hitmontop and Conkeldurr are the best choices here, as they don't mind taking a neutral Fire-type move or two before 2HKOing Houndoom, assuming it is holding a Focus Sash. Faster Fighting-types, such as Terrakion and Infernape, also do a good job of checking Houndoom, though they might be taking some major damage after the Close Combat defense drops. Tyranitar is the next best Houndoom counter, as it laughs at all of Houndoom's moves while OHKOing right though its Focus Sash thanks to Sand Stream. Politoed and its posse of Swift Swim sweepers have absolutely no problem with Houndoom outside of being mildly annoyed by Sucker Punch. Arcanine is a notable check in this dog-eat-dog world, taking absolutely nothing from Houndoom and OHKOing it with Close Combat, and it doesn't have to risk a Speed tie afterwards if Houndoom hangs on with its Focus Sash thanks to ExtremeSpeed.</p>
  2. DDRMaster

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    Actually, a Houdour caught in the Dream World can have Dark Pulse.

    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3454925

    However, the combination of Dark Pulse + Sucker Punch + Unnerve is illegal and it seems Sucker Punch is one of the primary reasons to use Houndoom. Dark Pulse should probably either be slashed with Sucker Punch to hit slower Ghost and Psychic-types harder or mentioned in AC or OO.
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    A valid point DDRMaster, but this isn't ready for QC yet.
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    bumpin for dem qc checks

    I think I'll leave my skeleton up for QC from now on :p
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    Take out the 31 Atk in the IVs section, discussion regarding that in hide tags.

    Discussion on IVs section (open)


    Discussed Fire Blast v Flamethrower and item choices with you a while back on irc (took Dark Gem out of the main set iirc and added LO), so this is good

    QC 1 / 2

    EDIT: Why'd i type QC 2 /2 >__>
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    change made my boy
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    In the International Tournament, I didn't see a single Unnerve Houndoom, but plenty of Flash Fire. You should make the main set Flash Fire / Unnerve, and mention the pros and cons of both.
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    flash fire houndoom is a weaker chandelure that has sucker punch and lacks trick room, super powerful shadow ball and to an extent energy ball

    no big change there imo
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    [Overview]

    <p>When first considering Houndoom, it is most often compared to Chandelure, and rightfully so; much like Chandelure, Houndoom has the ability to hit Psychic-, Ghost-, and Grass-types. However, unlike Chandelure, it has remarkably bad defenses given its weakness to Fighting and lack of immunity to Fake Out, as well as lower Special Attack, making Chandelure the more popular option. Houndoom does have two saving graces, however. The first is Sucker Punch, and the other is Unnerve, which enables Houndoom to reliably check common Steel-types, such as Metagross and Scizor, with its STAB Fire moves without an Occa Berry blocking the KO. Still, its frailty, weakness to Fighting, and competition from Chandelure keep it out of standard play and a rare sight outside of its small niche.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Unnerving Attacker
    move 1: Sucker Punch
    move 2: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Taunt
    move 4: Protect
    item: Focus Sash / Life Orb
    ability: Unnerve
    nature: Naive
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    ivs: 30 HP / 30 Def

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Houndoom is one of the few Pokemon that can claim a OHKO against Occa Berry Metagross, and with Sucker Punch, it is capable of OHKOing Latios with minor residual damage. Fire Blast is required to OHKO Metagross without any help from Houndoom's teammates, even with Life Orb, but Flamethrower is still useful should you have Pokemon to deal chip damage. Hidden Power Ice takes advantage of disabled Yache Berries to plow through standard Dragon-types, such as Garchomp and Dragonite, though it needs either Life Orb or chip damage for a clean OHKO. Taunt completely shuts down support Pokemon without moves to hit Houndoom, such as Cresselia, ensures Sucker Punch will always hit, and prevents Pokemon from using Protect. Protect is a fairly standard move in VGC, and it is very useful for waiting for Houndoom's teammate to deal chip damage to a target.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Houndoom doesn't know many tricks, there are a couple of optional changes to the main options one could make. A Dark Gem guarantees Sucker Punch OHKOes Latios, though that's about all it's good for. Dark Pulse, while certainly useful for dealing massive damage to Psychic-types, is illegal with Sucker Punch. If you can supply paralysis or Icy Wind support, Dark Pulse becomes more viable, but without it, Sucker Punch will be the more useful option.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that can take advantage of Houndoom's Unnerve ability spring to mind as good teammates. Pokemon that can cripple opponents without worry of Lum Berries, such as Amoonguss and Cresselia, make excellent teammates to deal chip damage or keep Houndoom safe from faster Pokemon. Mamoswine, Rotom-W, and most Fighting-types also make excellent candidates, as Yache Berry Garchomp, Wacan Berry Politoed, and Chople Berry Tyranitar are all less threatening when their Berry of choice is neutralized, and said teammates will often score a clean or near OHKO on said Pokemon. Breloom presents the best of both worlds, as it is capable of OHKOing Politoed, Tyranitar, and even Rindo Berry Gastrodon with the appropriate STAB move and can use Spore to put dangerous Pokemon to sleep.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Houndoom doesn't have much else going for it. Flame Charge is basically a boosting move that can deal necessary chip damage, but you're better off having a teammate that can accomplish that given Houndoom's frailty. STAB Overheat is as frightening a prospect as ever, but the main reason it's not on the main set is because Houndoom is better off projecting its Unnerving presence rather than switching out to regain its full attacking stats. Sunny Day might not be particularly useful in most cases, but it can shield Houndoom from numerous harmful weather effects such as hail, sandstorm, and rain, as well as powering up Houndoom's STAB Fire moves. Counter in conjunction with a Focus Sash stands a good chance of wiping the floor with most Fighting-types, though again the omnipresence of hail, sandstorm, and priority moves make it unappealing. Beat Up, when used with a Justified Pokemon such as Terrakion or Virizion, is somewhat unexpected of Houndoom, which can turn the battle in your favor in a heartbeat. The only things wrong with this is that Houndoom is somewhat slow compared to the two, meaning you'll have to wait until the next turn to abuse your +4 Attack Close Combat, and both Pokemon are susceptible to priority or Speed-modifying moves such as Tailwind or Trick Room. The only way for Houndoom to learn Heat Wave is to transfer it from DPP games, which in turn makes it incompatible with Unnerve.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Given Houndoom's Fighting weakness and low defenses, Pokemon that have access to STAB Mach Punch are no-brainers. Hitmontop and Conkeldurr are the best choices here, as they don't mind taking a neutral Fire move or two before 2HKOing Houndoom, assuming it is holding a Focus Sash. Faster Fighting-types, such as Terrakion and Infernape, also do a good job of checking Houndoom, though they might be taking some major damage after the Close Combat defense drops. Tyranitar is the next best Houndoom counter, as Houndoom fails to do anything significant to Tyranitar while it OHKOes Houndoom right through its Focus Sash thanks to Sand Stream. Politoed and its posse of Swift Swim sweepers have absolutely no problem with Houndoom outside of being mildly annoyed by Sucker Punch. Arcanine is a notable check in this dog-eat-dog world, taking absolutely nothing from Houndoom and OHKOing it with Close Combat, and it doesn't have to risk a Speed tie afterwards thanks to ExtremeSpeed.</p>
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    [Overview]

    <p>When first considering Houndoom, it is most often compared to Chandelure, and rightfully so; much like Chandelure, Houndoom has the ability to hit Psychic-, Ghost-, and Grass-types. However, unlike Chandelure, it has remarkably bad defenses given its weakness to Fighting-type attacks and lack of immunity to Fake Out, as well as lower Special Attack, making Chandelure the more popular option. Houndoom does have two saving graces, however. The first is Sucker Punch, and the other is Unnerve, which enables Houndoom to reliably check common Steel-types, such as Metagross and Scizor, with its STAB Fire-type moves without an Occa Berry blocking the KO. Still, its frailty, and Fighting-type weakness to Fighting, and as well as heavy competition from Chandelure, keep it Houndoom out of standard play and a rare sight outside of its small niche.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Unnerving Attacker
    move 1: Sucker Punch
    move 2: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Taunt
    move 4: Protect
    item: Focus Sash / Life Orb
    ability: Unnerve
    nature: Naive
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    ivs: 30 HP / 30 Def

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Houndoom is one of the few Pokemon that can claim a OHKO against Occa Berry Metagross, and with Sucker Punch, it is capable of OHKOing Latios with minor residual damage. Fire Blast is required to OHKO Metagross without any help from Houndoom's teammates, even with Life Orb, but Flamethrower is still useful should you have Pokemon to deal chip damage. Hidden Power Ice takes advantage of disabled Yache Berries to plow through standard Dragon-types, such as Garchomp and Dragonite, though it needs either Life Orb or chip damage for a clean OHKO. Taunt completely shuts down support Pokemon without moves to hit Houndoom, such as Cresselia, ensures Sucker Punch will always hit, and prevents Pokemon from using Protect. Protect is a fairly standard move in VGC, and it is very useful for waiting for Houndoom's teammate to deal chip damage to a target.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Houndoom doesn't know have many tricks up its sleeve, there are a couple of optional changes to the main options one could make. A Dark Gem guarantees the KO on Latios with Sucker Punch OHKOes Latios, though that's about all it's good for. Dark Pulse, while certainly useful for dealing massive damage to Psychic-types, is illegal with Sucker Punch. If you can supply paralysis or Icy Wind support, Dark Pulse becomes more viable, but without it, Sucker Punch will be the more useful option.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that can take advantage of Houndoom's Unnerve ability spring to mind as good teammates. Pokemon that can cripple opponents without worry of Lum Berries, such as Amoonguss and Cresselia, make are thus excellent teammates, as they can cripple opponents without worry of Lum Berries, to deal chip damage, and or keep Houndoom safe from faster Pokemon. Mamoswine, Rotom-W, and most Fighting-types also make excellent candidates, as Yache Berry Garchomp, Wacan Berry Politoed, and Chople Berry Tyranitar are all less threatening when their Berry of choice is neutralized, and said teammates will often score a clean or near OHKO on said Pokemon these threats. Breloom presents the best of both worlds, as it is capable of OHKOing Politoed, Tyranitar, and even Rindo Berry Gastrodon with the appropriate STAB move, and can use Spore to put dangerous Pokemon to sleep.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Houndoom doesn't have much else going for it. Flame Charge is basically a boosting move that can deal necessary chip damage, but you're better off having a teammate that can accomplish that given Houndoom's frailty. STAB Overheat is as frightening a prospect as ever, but the main reason it's not on the main set is because Houndoom is better off projecting its Unnerving presence rather than switching out to regain its full attacking stats. Sunny Day might not be particularly useful in most cases, but it can shield Houndoom from numerous harmful weather effects such as hail, sandstorm, and rain, as well as also powering up Houndoom's STAB Fire-type moves. Counter in conjunction with a Focus Sash stands a good chance of wiping the floor with most Fighting-types, though again the omnipresence of hail, sandstorm, and priority moves make it unappealing. Beat Up, when used with a Justified Pokemon user such as Terrakion or Virizion, is somewhat unexpected of Houndoom, which can turn the battle in your favor in a heartbeat. The only things wrong with this is that Houndoom is somewhat slow compared to the two, meaning you'll have to wait until the next turn to abuse your +4 Attack Close Combat, and both Pokemon are susceptible to priority or Speed-modifying moves such as Tailwind or and Trick Room. Lastly, Heat Wave might seem like a good spread move to use over Fire Blast or Flamethrower, but the only way for Houndoom to learn Heat Wave it is to transfer it from DPP the fourth generation games, which in turn makes it incompatible with Unnerve.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Given Houndoom's Fighting-type weakness and low defenses, Pokemon that have access to STAB Mach Punch are no-brainers as checks. Hitmontop and Conkeldurr are the best choices here, as they don't mind taking a neutral Fire-type move or two before 2HKOing Houndoom, assuming it is holding a Focus Sash. Faster Fighting-types, such as Terrakion and Infernape, also do a good job of checking Houndoom, though they might be taking some major damage after the Close Combat defense drops. Tyranitar is the next best Houndoom counter, as it laughs at all of Houndoom's moves while OHKOing right though its Focus Sash thanks to Sand Stream as Houndoom fails to do anything significant to Tyranitar, while it OHKOes Houndoom right through its Focus Sash thanks to Sand Stream. Politoed and its posse of Swift Swim sweepers have absolutely no problem with Houndoom outside of being mildly annoyed by Sucker Punch. Arcanine is a notable check in this dog-eat-dog world, taking absolutely nothing from Houndoom and OHKOing it with Close Combat, and it doesn't have to risk a Speed tie afterwards if Houndoom hangs on with its Focus Sash thanks to ExtremeSpeed.</p>


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