1. New to the forums? Check out our Mentorship Program!
    Our mentors will answer your questions and help you become a part of the community!
  2. Welcome to Smogon Forums! Please take a minute to read the rules.

Hydreigon [WIP] (QC 0/3)

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by -Rockstar-, Jul 8, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. -Rockstar-

    -Rockstar-

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2010
    Messages:
    239
    [​IMG]


    [Overview]


    • Fantastic movepool and mixed attacking stats make Hydreigon a very dangerous pokemon in a very fast paced metagame full of frail sweepers.
    • BW2 gave Hydreigon Roost and Superpower making it one of the best Wallbreakers in the metagame
    • Nice Bulk is a good bones for an offensive Pokemon like Hydreigon

    [SET]
    name: Substitute+3 Attacks
    move 1: Dragon Pulse
    move 2: Fire Blast/Surf/Focus Blast
    move 3: Focus Blast/Surf/Fire Blast
    move 4: Substitute
    item: Leftovers/Expert Belt
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    ability: Levitate

    [SET COMMENTS]


    • Hydreigon forces many switches because of its ability to KO a vast majority of the metagame make a substitute set viable.
    • Find lots of places to set up on Pokemon like Ferrothorn, Rotom-W and Skarmory

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]


    • Dragon Pulse combined with a huge 383 Special Attack and STAB will be able to dent or KO a large majority of Hydreigon switch ins.
    • Last 2 moves is your choice, Fire Blast give you better coverage but Surf works better under rain and is better to use to Kill heatran instead of Superpower because it has no stat drops.Focus Blast is not as reliable but will grant you a OHKO on Tyranitar and Heatran
    • Leftovers is the best item to use as it provides Hydreigon with a good form of recovery when behind the substitute.
    • Expert Belt can be used to bluff a choice item early on so the opponent does not expect substitute.

    [SET]
    name: Mixed WallBreaker
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Super Power
    move 3: Fire Blast
    move 4: Dark Pulse/Roost
    item: Life Orb/Expert Belt
    nature: Naive/Hasty
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    ability: Levitate

    [SET COMMENTS]



    • Able to run through common stall teams with cores such as Skarm Bliss if used with correct prediction
    • Puts lots of pressure on opponent making almost every switch into hydreigon risky

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]



    • Draco Meteor is the crux of the set denting or KOing anything that does not resist it.Great move to spam during games to rip holes in teams
    • Superpower gets a clean OHKO on Tyranitar and 2HKOs Blissey while Chansey is 2hkO'd with some previous damage
    • Fire Blast helps beat common Pokemon seen in the current metagame like Skarmory, Ferrothorn and Jirachi and gives good coverage with Draco Meteor and Super Power
    • Dark Pulse can be used to get OHKOs on the likes of Slowbro and Jellicent
    • Roost is the better option to make Hydreigon last longer if you are running a Life Orb


    [SET]
    name: Offensive Roost
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Fire Blast
    move 3: Earth Power/Surf/Focus Blast
    move 4: Roost
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Modest
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    ability: Levitate

    [SET COMMENTS]



    • Aims to use destructive power of a 380+ Special Attack stat coupled with Life Orb and Roost to remain a constant threat for long periods of the game
    • Ability to change moves and hit hard is what sets it apart from choice sets

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]



    • Draco Meteor is the crux of the set denting or KOing anything that does not resist it.Great move to spam during games to rip holes in teams
    • Fire Blast alongside Draco Meteor like all other sets gives great coverage hitting almost everything that Draco Meteor cannot
    • Earth Power is used to hit heatran and also hits Jirachi under Rain for better damage than Fire Blast
    • Focus Blast can be used for the 3rd move to get a OHKO on Tyranitar
    • Surf is a good coverage move in the 3rd Attack slot and hits Heatran for good damage and works especially well under Rain.
    • Roost lets Hydreigon stay alive for long periods of the game keeping it as a constant threat to the opponent

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
    move 2: Fire Blast
    move 3: SuperPower
    move 4: U-Turn
    item: Choice Scarf
    nature: Naive
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    ability: Levitate

    [SET COMMENTS]


    • Great Revenge Killer
    • Not Pursuit Bait like Latios

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]


    • Draco Meteor is standard hit and run denting everything that does not resist it
    • Fire Blast gives god coverage alongside Draco Meteor hitting Steel types like Skarmory and Ferrothorn
    • Superpower lets you get a OHKO on Tyranitars and can beat Pink Blob switching in to Hydreigon.
    • U-Turn not only helps scout the opponents team but can hit the likes of Starmie etc. for super effective damage


    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Dragon Pulse
    move 3: Fire Blast
    move 4: Focus Blast/Earth Power
    item: Choice Specs
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    ability: Levitate

    [SET COMMENTS]


    • Aims to hit as hard as possible with that monster of a special attack stat.
    • Draco Meteor spam alone is enough to atleast 2HKO almost the entire metagame.
    • If locked into a wrong move it does not turn into pursuit bait like Latios, thats what this set has over Latios.
    • This set forces a lot of switches so entry hazards help alot.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]


    • Draco Meteor is great because it can OHKO almost everything that does not resist it and is a great STAB move to have because of the holes it creates in the opponents team.
    • Dragon Pulse can oull off a late game sweep if you need to hit more than one target unlike Draco Meteor.
    • Fire Blast is used for steel types that will try to switch in expecting a Draco Meteor
    • Focus Blast hits Heatran and Tyranitar for a OHKO
    • Earth power can be used as a more reliable move than Focus Blast still getting the KO on most heatrans and gets a 2HKO on Tyranitar, Focus Blast is better overall but Earth Power is still a good option

    [Other options]


    • Flamethrower or Heat Wave can be used over Fire Blast for better accuracy but you may miss out on some vital KOs, Heatwave has more power than flamethrower but misses out on some accuracy.
    • Dark Pulse and Earth Power can both be used on the same set now in BW2
    • U Turn is an option on the Choice Specs set to scout
    • Taunt is a great option for the 4th move in the wall breaker to play around and destroy stall even more
    • a Sub Torment set is possible and can work out with Roost but honestly is outclassed by the likes of Heatarn
    • Entry Hazards such as Stealth Rock and Spikes or even Toxic Spikes[If you run a Sub+ 3 Attacks set} really help Hydreigon because of the amount of switches he causes
    • Earth Power is viable on all sets over Fire Blast or Focus Blast/Superpower if you think it is necessary, it is a more reliable way to hit Heatran and Jirachi than Fire Blast and Focus Blast
    • A substitute+Charge Beam set is viable on rain teams with Sub/Charge Beam/Dragon Pulse/Surf once Ferrothorn is taken care of
    • Tailwind is a nice option to raise Hydreigon's average speed compared to other offensive dragons to very high levels for 3 turns making it almost impossible to revenge without priority and also lets Hydreigon go on a mini sweep

    [Checks and counters]


    • No Pokemon can really switch into Hydreigon because of the amount of sets it can run and the coverage it gets.
    • Ferrothorn, Specially Defensive Jirachi and Pink Blobs can all tank draco meteors putting Hydreigon at -2 or -1(Specs) which will make it lose a lot of Raw power.
    • If Breloom manages to get in on a Roost or Surf it can OHKO with Mach Punch while Scizor can OHKO with Bullet Punch when Hydreigon is at less than 70% but neither can witch in safely
    • Speedy Fighting-types such as Infernape and Terrakion can exploit Hydreigon's average Speed and KO it with their powerful STAB attacks.
  2. Lamppost

    Lamppost I put the milk in first
    is a Battle Server Moderator Alumnus

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    1,108
    List the sub + 3 attack set first because it's the most popular and (probably) the best set for hydreigon.

    Superpower shouldn't be slashed on the sub + 3 attack set. Put it in OO. Also remove the expert belt slash. The purpose of ebelt is to fake a choice item which is given away when you use substitute (the main purpose of this set).

    [SET]
    name: Substitute+3 Attacks
    move 1: Dragon Pulse
    move 2: Fire Blast / Focus Blast / Surf
    move 3: Fire Blast / Focus Blast / Surf
    move 4: Substitute
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    ability: Levitate

    Fire blast / focus blast / surf depends on what weather you're running and what pokemon your team needs to beat.
  3. Husky

    Husky

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2010
    Messages:
    344
    I think Roost deserves a mention in OO, as it gives Hydreigon a reliable recovery move
  4. -Rockstar-

    -Rockstar-

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2010
    Messages:
    239
  5. -Rockstar-

    -Rockstar-

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2010
    Messages:
    239
    The only set in which Roost is viable is the Offensive Wallbreaker and I have mentioned it in the set comments
  6. TrollFreak

    TrollFreak (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ (╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,249
    Why isn't U-Turn slashed in the Specs set, I've used the Specs set alot, and its worth it if the opponent has a Special tank like Blissey as you can build up momentum.

    Maybe a SubRoost set is viable (Haven't tested it, but just throwing it out there) as Sub / Roost / Dragon Pulse / Focus Blast or Fire Blast should give Hydregion more longevity as well as the ability to use Substitute with Life Orb

    Heat Wave should be in OO, as it has more power than Flamethrower, but is a little less accurate

    Dark Pulse and Earth Power can be used in the same set now, so mention that and at least give Earth Power an OO mention

    Now that Hydregion got Superpower, the mixed set is more viable than ever (why was it removed btw?)


    [SET]
    name: Mixed
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Superpower / Earthquake
    move 3: Fire Blast
    move 4: Crunch / Outrage / Roost
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Naive / Hasty
    evs: 104 Atk / 240 SpA / 164 Spe (I'll find a better spread for this later)

    Since Outrage was used on the set mainly because it gained 2HKOs on Chansey and Bliss, imo, it doesn't need a slot anymore, as it locks Hydregion into a move that means Pokemon such as Ferro and Forry set up on it, or it gets revenged killed. It's still up to QC what the mixed set should be, but Superpower just made it better.

    Aqua Tail can be AC if using Hydregion on a rain team, as Fire Blast still OHKOes Scizor and deals massive damage to Ferro

    Lastly, Tailwind to OO, as boosting Hydregion's speed for 3 turns will make it harder to revenge kill, and a more reliable offensive threat.

    Sorry for the post, but I had to state my point
  7. -Rockstar-

    -Rockstar-

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2010
    Messages:
    239
    Thanks for the post TrollFreak.
    I'll be adding all of it but the Mixed set you posted, why not just use the Wallbreaker set I posted above but a mention of a different EV spread.
  8. Cherub Agent

    Cherub Agent come at me winter
    is a Forum Moderatoris a Community Contributor Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnus
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2009
    Messages:
    3,059
    wouldnt the Wallbreaker set prefer a Rash nature? Power increase is better for wallbreaking, and hydreigon sits in a unique speed tier. 194 should be enough to outrun neutral 90s, (Lucario) and 64 Att EVs could give Superpower more oomf against the blobs. SpA should stay maximised
  9. -Rockstar-

    -Rockstar-

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2010
    Messages:
    239
    I thought about putting naive because hydreigons will be more common now IMO.I can slash Hasty next to naive and give your EVs a mention after i run some calcs
  10. Ojama

    Ojama May your scattered remains entertain me
    is a Tutor Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Community Contributor Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnusis Smogon Frontier's Palace Mavenis the Smogon Tour Season 15 Champion

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    1,952
    Hydreigon has now Roost which is incredible on it. A subroost set can be used with hydreigon, something like that : sub / roost / dpulse / fblast
    Also a LO 3 Attacks + Roost set can be very good since it has roost now : Life orb + dmeteor / fblast / epower / roost (also surf / fblast can be used it over epower but it depends on your weather inducer). Fuck dpulse, its useless.

    After reading a bit more, superpower on hydreigon sucks and is useless, delete it for focus blast on your LO Set, but use mine.

    [SET]
    name: LO + 3 Attacks
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Earth Power / Surf / Fire Blast
    move 3: Focus Blast
    move 4: ROOST
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Timid / Modest
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe (I'll find a better spread for this later too)

    Also, ROOST DOESNT DESERVE A MENTION IT HAS TO BE USED ON EVERY NON CHOICE SET, lol.
  11. -Rockstar-

    -Rockstar-

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2010
    Messages:
    239

    I have been using that exact set of Draco Meteor, Fire Blast and Earth Power with Life Orb and Roost.
    I will add it as a new set with the name "Offensive Roost" very soon.
    Thanks.

    EDIt-Added
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Users Viewing Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 0)