1. New to the forums? Check out our Mentorship Program!
    Our mentors will answer your questions and help you become a part of the community!
  2. Welcome to Smogon Forums! Please take a minute to read the rules.

Hypno (Update) [QC: 3/3] [GP: 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by scorpdestroyer, Oct 12, 2013.

  1. scorpdestroyer

    scorpdestroyer is a pious radio
    is a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
    Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2012
    Messages:
    1,753
    [​IMG]
    Your eyelids are getting heavier...

    [Overview]

    <p>Hypno is a decent specially defensive wall, despite facing competition from Grumpig, Audino, and Lickilicky. It is one of the better Jynx counters, being immune to Lovely Kiss, and does a similarly good job against other special attackers such as Charizard. However, it is extremely vulnerable to status and has unimpressive physical bulk. Its low HP stat also makes it a mediocre Wish passer, and its poor offensive stats leave it setup fodder against the likes of Misdreavus and Scraggy.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect
    move 3: Thunder Wave / Toxic
    move 4: Foul Play / Seismic Toss
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Insomnia
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 204 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Hypno has good special bulk, allowing it to come in on special attackers and disrupt them. Wish is Hypno's recovery move, but should not be relied on to support its teammates due to Hypno's low HP stat. Protect allows Hypno to receive its own Wishes, scout for moves, and gain Leftovers recovery. Thunder Wave allows Hypno to cripple fast offensive threats such as Jynx and Primeape and support the team. On the other hand, Toxic lets Hypno wear down opposing walls such as Tangela. The last moveslot is reserved for an attacking move to prevent Hypno from being Taunt bait and setup fodder. Foul Play allows Hypno to hit Ghost-types and OHKO Choice Band Golurk but leaves it helpless against Fighting-types such as Gurdurr and Scraggy. Meanwhile, Seismic Toss can deal with these threats but leaves Hypno vulnerable to Ghost-types such as Misdreavus as well as Pokemon with 101 HP Substitutes, such as Braviary.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Taunt is a decent option to stop status and setup from slower Pokemon. Reflect is a good option to patch up Hypno's low physical bulk, but it is hard to fit into the moveset. Psychic allows Hypno to hit Scolipede harder, but it is generally much weaker than the listed attacking moves. Insomnia is the ability of choice, setting Hypno apart from other special walls by allowing it to switch in on Jynx, Vileplume, and offensive Roselia fearlessly and wall them. The EV spread allows Hypno to avoid the 2HKO from Choice Band Primeape's Close Combat, Life Orb Jynx's Ice Beam, and Life Orb Charizard's Fire Blast. Hypno despises status, so teammates that can remove Toxic Spikes are essential. Scolipede, Roselia, and Garbodor are able to absorb Toxic Spikes and can set up their own to aid in Hypno's stalling. In particular, Rocky Helmet Garbodor is a great option to switch into and punish Pokemon that love using U-turn on Hypno. Teammates that can provide cleric support, such as Miltank and Audino, are also appreciated. Finally, teammates that cover Hypno's weaknesses to Dark- and Bug-type moves are decent. Klang and Gurdurr are able to do so with ease.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Magic Coat is a good option to reflect status moves and Taunt back at the opponent. An offensive Nasty Plot set can be used, but it is outclassed by more powerful Pokemon such as Beheeyem and Jynx. A Calm Mind set can be used, but it is held back by Hypno's poor physical bulk, vulnerability to status, and reliance on Wish and Protect for recovery, limiting its coverage. Hypno gets Baton Pass and is able to pass Nasty Plot and Calm Mind boosts, but it faces competition from Mr. Mime, which is faster and has Soundproof. Hypno can use Trick Room, but its poor offenses mean it cannot utilize it effectively, and it is again outclassed by Beheeyem. Hypnosis can be used, but it is inaccurate and takes up a moveslot that can be better spent on more beneficial status moves. Disable can be used to annoy Choice-locked Pokemon, but Hypno's low Speed holds this strategy back a little. Switcheroo can be used with a crippling item such as Choice Specs or Flame Orb, but this prevents Hypno from doing its job of walling effectively. Finally, Belly Drum is the ultimate gimmick and can be set up with relative ease due to Hypno's good special bulk and Wish, but once again, Hypno's low Speed holds it back.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Skuntank and Liepard are the best counters to Hypno as long as they avoid Thunder Wave, as they can Taunt and Encore Hypno respectively before Pursuit trapping it. Scraggy and Gurdurr can set up on Hypno that use Foul Play, while Nasty Plot Misdreavus and Pokemon with 101 HP Substitutes such as Substitute + Bulk Up Braviary can set up on variants that use Seismic Toss. Taunt users are able to shut down Hypno. Mandibuzz and Misdreavus do so effectively, with the former taking little damage from Foul Play and the latter being immune to Seismic Toss. Powerful physical attackers such as Pinsir and Scolipede can also defeat Hypno, but they must be wary of switching into Thunder Wave. If Hypno lacks Taunt, Pokemon such as Substitute + Shell Smash Gorebyss and Klang can set up on it. Toxic Spikes and Toxic are excellent ways to cripple Hypno. Scolipede is a good Pokemon to set up Toxic Spikes and can threaten to OHKO Hypno with Megahorn. Finally, powerful wallbreakers such as Ludicolo and Choice Band Sawk can still 2HKO Hypno with entry hazard support.</p>

    Show Hide

    [Overview]

    - Decent specially defensive Pokemon, though faces competition from Audino, Lickilicky, and Grumpig
    - One of the better Jynx counters, does a good job vs things like Zard
    - but vulnerability to status is bad, also has pathetic physical bulk
    - not so good wish passer
    - poor offenses, often leaving it setup fodder for Pokemon like missy and scraggy

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect
    move 3: Thunder Wave / Toxic
    move 4: Foul Play / Seismic Toss
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Insomnia
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 204 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    - can come in on many special attackers with its good special bulk
    - wish is more for self-healing, can support the team but should not be relied on due to low hp
    - protect lets Hypno receive wishes, leftovers recovery, and scout
    - thunder wave cripples many fast threats, such as Jynx and Primeape, while supporting the team
    - toxic lets it wear down walls
    - foul play due to Hypno's low offenses, prevents taunt bait and finishes off some foes. Can OHKO choice band Golurk which is otherwise a huge threat
    - seismic toss for more reliable damage, notably dealing more damage to walls as well as Gurdurr and Scraggy, but can't hit ghost types and 101 HP subs

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    - taunt stops status and slower setup pokemon
    - Reflect can help Hypno tank hits better but hard to fit in
    - Psychic can be used to hit Scolipede harder but it's very weak
    - Insomnia allows it to switch right into Jynx, Vileplume and offensive Roselia without fear and wall them to hell
    - EV spread survives 2hko from cb Primeape close combat, while allowing it to continue tanking hits from LO Jynx and LO Zard
    - Hypno hates status
    - teammates that can remove Toxic Spikes are essential
    - Garbodor, Scolipede, Roselia can do so, while setting up toxic spikes that aid in Hypno's stalling. Garbodor in particular makes a great switchin on Pokemon that love u-turning on Hypno
    - cleric support is cool; teammates like Miltank and Audino can provide this
    - Teammates that switch in on dark or bug moves; Gurdurr and Klang are good examples

    [Other Options]

    - magic coat can reflect taunt and status
    - offensive nasty plot, but Beheeyem or Jynx is better
    - calm mind but lack of reliable recovery and vulnerability to status holds it back
    - baton pass set, can pass NP and CM but faces competition in this role by Mr. Mime who has Soundproof and better Speed
    - trick room, but Hypno isn't able to abuse it with low offenses
    - hypnosis but inaccurate and takes up a slot that could be better used
    - disable but low speed holds it back. Can own the hell out of choice-locked mons though
    - Switcheroo + bad item can surprise opponents but detrimental to Hypno more often than not
    - Belly Drum I guess

    [Checks and Counters]

    - Skuntank and Liepard are #1 counters, taunting or encoring it and pursuit trapping it
    - scraggy and Gurdurr can set up on sets lacking seismic toss
    - sets that use seismic toss however are set up on by NP Missy as well as 404 HP mons with sub, such as SubBU Braviary
    - taunt users shut it down mostly, such as Mandibuzz and Misdreavus
    - powerful attackers with a strong super effective move, such as Scolipede and Pinsir, but beware of switching into thunder wave
    - if lacking taunt, Pokemon like SubSmash Gorebyss and Klang setup on it
    - Toxic Spikes or Toxic are great ways to wear Hypno down. Scolipede can set up Tspikes while threatening out Hypno
    - Hypno isn't particularly bulky, so powerful wallbreakers like Ludicolo or CB Sawk can still 2HKO it especially with entry hazard support
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2013
  2. Punchshroom

    Punchshroom para is worse than sleep
    is a Pre-Contributor

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2012
    Messages:
    2,107
    Belly Drum could use a mention in OO, as its great special bulk allows it to set up easier on unsuspecting walls.
  3. Soulgazer

    Soulgazer
    is a Pre-Contributor

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,260
    This is just small nitpicks, but I wouldn't say Wish isn't reliable recovery.

    Also, a Trick Room mention in OO would be great as Hypno has the bulk to set up Trick Room for its team, but can't abuse it itself due to low offenses.
  4. Dat Blast

    Dat Blast O_O
    is an official Team Rateris a Contributor to Smogon

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2013
    Messages:
    690
    [Overview]
    • Don't say Wish isn't reliable recovery. If you want you could say Hypno isn't the greatest Wish PASSER, but Wish + Protect in itself is definitely reliable recovery.
    • Instead of saying its "bulk isn't fantastic," I'd just say its physical bulk is really mediocre. Its special bulk is actually really impressive, but not its physical Def.
    • You should probably just meld the third and fourth points together to say how it's vulnerable to status and has mediocre phys. bulk.
    [SET]
    • Looks mostly fine, but I'd replace Taunt with Toxic because Hypno's too slow to really make use of it. It's worth mentioning in AC to beat stuff like Mushy or Mola 1v1, but I don't think it needs a full slash.
    • Idk about the EV spread. CB Ape is pretty rare as it is, and it would always U-turn against Hypno instead of CC. Although I suppose the loss of SpD is pretty minimal, so I'll let you decide what to do with it.
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Move Magic Coat to OO, Magic Coat in general is more of an OO thing.
    • On the mention of clerics, replace Roselia w/ Lickilicky and Audino.
    Implement this, and I'll check back later.
  5. scorpdestroyer

    scorpdestroyer is a pious radio
    is a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
    Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2012
    Messages:
    1,753
    Dat Blast ok
    I'll let QC decide on the EV spread, I don't remember this one losing out on any special threat due to the loss in special bulk but might have missed something
  6. tennisace

    tennisace brock you like a hurricane
    is a member of the Site Staffis a Super Moderatoris a Community Contributoris a Pokemon Researcheris a Smogon Media Contributoris a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogonis a CAP Contributor Alumnus
    Twitter Head

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    6,708
    -Mention that Foul Play OHKOs CB Golurk, which is a decent threat to Hypno
    -Insomnia doesn't let it switch into Tangela without fear really, Foul Play does nothing to it and Leech Seed sucks if you don't use Toxic.
    -Mention that BP + NP / CM is outclassed by Mr. Mime, which is faster and can't be Roar'd out or hit by Bug Buzz
    -Don't mention Snatch in OO

    [​IMG]
    1/3 scorpdestroyer
  7. scorpdestroyer

    scorpdestroyer is a pious radio
    is a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
    Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2012
    Messages:
    1,753
    Thanks tennis, now for other QC checks
  8. Dat Blast

    Dat Blast O_O
    is an official Team Rateris a Contributor to Smogon

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2013
    Messages:
    690
    In the Overview, don't say it has "pathetic" physical bulk--it's low for a wall, but it's not like, Jynx bad. You don't have to implement that straightaway but be sure to keep that in mind during the write-up. Use something like "mediocre" or "unimpressive" or something along those lines.

    Other than that QC Approved 2/3 Go write it scorpdestroyer
  9. scorpdestroyer

    scorpdestroyer is a pious radio
    is a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
    Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2012
    Messages:
    1,753
    Written up, thanks
  10. Raseri

    Raseri musharna fan
    is a Tutoris a member of the Site Staffis a Forum Moderatoris a Community Contributoris a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogonis a Researcher Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnus
    NU Leader

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2007
    Messages:
    3,244
  11. scorpdestroyer

    scorpdestroyer is a pious radio
    is a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
    Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2012
    Messages:
    1,753
  12. Kingler12345

    Kingler12345 COOKIE COOKIE COOKIE STARTS WITH C
    is a Contributor to Smogon

    Joined:
    May 26, 2013
    Messages:
    1,362
    Amcheck
    Additions
    Subtractions
    Comments

    Show Hide


    [Overview]

    <p>Hypno is a decent specially defensive wall, despite facing competition from Grumpig, Audino, and Lickilicky. It is one of the better Jynx counters, being immune to Lovely Kiss, while doing a similarly good job against other special attackers such as Charizard. However, it is extremely vulnerable to status and has unimpressive physical bulk. Its low HP stat also makes it a mediocre Wish passer. Its poor offensive stats also leaves it setup fodder against the likes of Misdreavus and Scraggy.(conclusion? More of a qc thing, but the overview should end with a concluding sentence imo, since this looks like sc to me tbh)</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect
    move 3: Thunder Wave / Toxic
    move 4: Foul Play / Seismic Toss
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Insomnia
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 204 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Hypno has good special bulk, allowing it to come in on special attackers and disrupt them. Wish is Hypno's recovery move, but should not be relied on to support its teammates with recovery due to Hypno's low HP stat. Protect allows Hypno to receive its own Wishes, scout for moves, and gain Leftovers recovery. Thunder Wave allows Hypno to cripple fast offensive threats such as Jynx and Primeape and support the team. On the other hand, Toxic lets Hypno wear down opposing walls such as Tangela. The last moveslot is reserved for an attacking move to prevent itself from being Taunt bait or setup fodder. Foul Play allows Hypno to hit Ghost-types and OHKO Choice Band Golurk, but leaves it helpless against Fighting-types such as Gurdurr and Scraggy. Meanwhile, Seismic Toss can deal with these threats,(AC) but leaves Hypno vulnerable to Ghost-types such as Misdreavus as well as Pokemon with 101 HP Substitutes, such as Braviary.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Taunt is a decent option to stop status or setup from slower Pokemon. Reflect is a good option to patch up on Hypno's weak physical bulk, although it is hard to fit into the moveset. Psychic allows Hypno to hit Scolipede harder, but it is generally much weaker than the listed attacking moves. Insomnia is the ability of choice, setting it apart from other special walls by allowing Hypno to switch in on Jynx, Vileplume, and offensive Roselia fearlessly and wall them. The EV spread allows Hypno to avoid the 2HKO from Choice Band Primeape's Close Combat, while losing minimal special bulk,(AC) and avoiding the 2HKO from Life Orb Jynx and Charizard. Hypno despises status, so teammates that can remove Toxic Spikes are essential. Scolipede, Roselia, and Garbodor are able to absorb them, while setting up Toxic Spikes of their own to aid in Hypno's stalling. In particular, Garbodor is a great option to switch into and punish Pokemon that love using U-turn on Hypno. Teammates that can provide cleric support, such as Miltank and Audino, are also appreciated. Finally, teammates that cover Hypno's weaknesses to Dark- and Bug-type moves are decent. Klang and Gurdurr are able to do so with ease.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Magic Coat is a good option to reflect status moves and Taunt back at the opponent. An offensive Nasty Plot set can be used, but is outclassed by more powerful Pokemon such as Beheeyem and Jynx. A Calm Mind set can be used, but is held back by Hypno's poor physical bulk, vulnerability to status, and reliance on Wish and Protect for recovery and,(AC) limiting its coverage. Hypno gets Baton Pass and is able to pass Nasty Plot and Calm Mind boosts, but faces competition from Mr. Mime, which is faster and has Soundproof. Hypno can use Trick Room, but its poor offenses mean it cannot abuse utilize(no aboose in analysis plz) it effectively,(AC) and it is again outclassed by Beheeyem. Hypnosis can be used, but is inaccurate and takes up a moveslot that can be better spent on more beneficial status moves. Disable can be used to annoy Choice-locked Pokemon, but Hypno's low Speed holds this strategy back a little. Switcheroo can be used with bad crippling items such as Choice Specs or Flame Orb, but prevents Hypno from doing its job of walking effectively. Finally, Belly Drum is the ultimate gimmick that can be set up with relative ease due to Hypno's good special bulk and Wish, but once again, its low Speed holds it back.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Skuntank and Liepard are the best counters to Hypno as long as they avoid Thunder Wave, as they can Taunt and Encore Hypno respectively before Pursuit trapping it. Scraggy and Gurdurr can set up on Hypno that uses Foul Play, while Nasty Plot Misdreavus and Pokemon with 101 HP Substitutes such as Substitute + Bulk Up Braviary set up on variants that use Seismic Toss. Taunt users are able to shut down Hypno. Mandibuzz and Misdreavus do so effectively, with the former taking little damage from Foul Play and the latter being immune to Seismic Toss. Powerful physical attackers can also defeat Hypno, such as Pinsir and Scolipede(this sounds weird imo, so i'd put the such as part before defeating, however, this is fine as well). However, they must be wary of switching into Thunder Wave. If Hypno lacks Taunt, Pokemon such as Substitute + Shell Smash Gorebyss or Klang can set up on it. Toxic Spikes and Toxic are excellent ways to cripple Hypno. Scolipede is a good Pokemon to set up Toxic Spikes while threatening to OHKO Hypno with Megahorn. Finally, powerful wallbreakers such as Ludicolo and Choice Band Sawk can still 2HKO Hypno after with entry hazard support.</p>

    Hypno saks lel
  13. scorpdestroyer

    scorpdestroyer is a pious radio
    is a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
    Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2012
    Messages:
    1,753
    Amcheck implemented, thanks!
    Adding a conclusion to the overview would be fluff imo :3
    Kingler12345 likes this.
  14. GatoDelFuego

    GatoDelFuego Living in a world gone plastic
    is a Smogon Media Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
    Mentor

    Joined:
    May 29, 2011
    Messages:
    2,881
    scorpdestroyer

    REMOVE CHANGE COMMENTS

    Show Hide

    [Overview]

    <p>Hypno is a decent specially defensive wall, despite facing competition from Grumpig, Audino, and Lickilicky. It is one of the better Jynx counters, being immune to Lovely Kiss, while doing a similarly good job against other special attackers such as Charizard. However, it is extremely vulnerable to status and has unimpressive physical bulk. Its low HP stat also makes it a mediocre Wish passer. Its poor offensive stats also leaves it setup fodder against the likes of Misdreavus and Scraggy.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect
    move 3: Thunder Wave / Toxic
    move 4: Foul Play / Seismic Toss
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Insomnia
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 204 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Hypno has good special bulk, allowing it to come in on special attackers and disrupt them. Wish is Hypno's recovery move, but should not be relied on to support its teammates with recovery due to Hypno's low HP stat. Protect allows Hypno to receive its own Wishes, scout for moves, and gain Leftovers recovery. Thunder Wave allows Hypno to cripple fast offensive threats such as Jynx and Primeape and support the team. On the other hand, Toxic lets Hypno wear down opposing walls such as Tangela. The last moveslot is reserved for an attacking move to prevent itself from being Taunt bait or setup fodder. Foul Play allows Hypno to hit Ghost-types and OHKO Choice Band Golurk, but leaves it helpless against Fighting-types such as Gurdurr and Scraggy. Meanwhile, Seismic Toss can deal with these threats, but leaves Hypno vulnerable to Ghost-types such as Misdreavus as well as Pokemon with 101 HP Substitutes, such as Braviary.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Taunt is a decent option to stop status or setup from slower Pokemon. Reflect is a good option to patch up Hypno's weak physical bulk, although it is hard to fit into the moveset. Psychic allows Hypno to hit Scolipede harder, but it is generally much weaker than the listed attacking moves. Insomnia is the ability of choice, setting it apart from other special walls by allowing Hypno to switch in on Jynx, Vileplume, and offensive Roselia fearlessly and wall them. The EV spread allows Hypno to avoid the 2HKO from Choice Band Primeape's Close Combat, while losing minimal special bulk, and avoiding the 2HKO from Life Orb Jynx, (AC) and Charizard, while losing minimal special bulk. Hypno despises status, so teammates that can remove Toxic Spikes are essential. Scolipede, Roselia, and Garbodor are able to absorb them, while setting up Toxic Spikes of their own to aid in Hypno's stalling. In particular, Garbodor is a great option to switch into and punish Pokemon that love using U-turn on Hypno. Teammates that can provide cleric support, such as Miltank and Audino, are also appreciated. Finally, teammates that cover Hypno's weaknesses to Dark- and Bug-type moves are decent. Klang and Gurdurr are able to do so with ease.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Magic Coat is a good option to reflect status moves and Taunt back at the opponent. An offensive Nasty Plot set can be used, but is outclassed by more powerful Pokemon such as Beheeyem and Jynx. A Calm Mind set can be used, but is held back by Hypno's poor physical bulk, vulnerability to status, and reliance on Wish and Protect for recovery, limiting its coverage. Hypno gets Baton Pass and is able to pass Nasty Plot and Calm Mind boosts, but faces competition from Mr. Mime, which is faster and has Soundproof. Hypno can use Trick Room, but its poor offenses mean it cannot utilize it effectively, and it is again outclassed by Beheeyem. Hypnosis can be used, but is inaccurate and takes up a moveslot that can be better spent on more beneficial status moves. Disable can be used to annoy Choice-locked Pokemon, but Hypno's low Speed holds this strategy back a little. Switcheroo can be used with crippling items such as Choice Specs or Flame Orb, but prevents Hypno from doing its job of walking effectively. Finally, Belly Drum is the ultimate gimmick that can be set up with relative ease due to Hypno's good special bulk and Wish, but once again, Hypno's its low Speed holds it back.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Skuntank and Liepard are the best counters to Hypno as long as they avoid Thunder Wave, as they can Taunt and Encore Hypno respectively before Pursuit trapping it. Scraggy and Gurdurr can set up on Hypno that use Foul Play, while Nasty Plot Misdreavus and Pokemon with 101 HP Substitutes such as Substitute + Bulk Up Braviary set up on variants that use Seismic Toss. Taunt users are able to shut down Hypno. Mandibuzz and Misdreavus do so effectively, with the former taking little damage from Foul Play and the latter being immune to Seismic Toss. Powerful physical attackers such as Pinsir and Scolipede can also defeat Hypno, but. However, they must be wary of switching into Thunder Wave. If Hypno lacks Taunt, Pokemon such as Substitute + Shell Smash Gorebyss or Klang can set up on it. Toxic Spikes and Toxic are excellent ways to cripple Hypno. Scolipede is a good Pokemon to set up Toxic Spikes while threatening to OHKO Hypno with Megahorn. Finally, powerful wallbreakers such as Ludicolo and Choice Band Sawk can still 2HKO Hypno with entry hazard support.</p>

    1/2

    semi-stamping this check because there wasn't much wrong! (hint good work scorpdestroyer)
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2013
  15. melvni

    melvni
    is a Site Staff Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2010
    Messages:
    1,148
    scorpdestroyer

    Gato over going for 2/2
    Gato: REMOVE CHANGE COMMENTS
    Me: REMOVE CHANGE COMMENTS

    Show Hide

    [Overview]

    <p>Hypno is a decent specially defensive wall, despite facing competition from Grumpig, Audino, and Lickilicky. It is one of the better Jynx counters, being immune to Lovely Kiss, while doing and does a similarly good job against other special attackers such as Charizard. However, it is extremely vulnerable to status and has unimpressive physical bulk. Its low HP stat also makes it a mediocre Wish passer. (change to comma) Its and its poor offensive stats also leaves leave it setup fodder against the likes of Misdreavus and Scraggy.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect
    move 3: Thunder Wave / Toxic
    move 4: Foul Play / Seismic Toss
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Insomnia
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 204 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Hypno has good special bulk, allowing it to come in on special attackers and disrupt them. Wish is Hypno's recovery move, but should not be relied on to support its teammates with recovery due to Hypno's low HP stat. Protect allows Hypno to receive its own Wishes, scout for moves, and gain Leftovers recovery. Thunder Wave allows Hypno to cripple fast offensive threats such as Jynx and Primeape and support the team. On the other hand, Toxic lets Hypno wear down opposing walls such as Tangela. The last moveslot is reserved for an attacking move to prevent itself Hypno from being Taunt bait or and setup fodder. Foul Play allows Hypno to hit Ghost-types and OHKO Choice Band Golurk, (remove comma) but leaves it helpless against Fighting-types such as Gurdurr and Scraggy. Meanwhile, Seismic Toss can deal with these threats, (remove comma) but leaves Hypno vulnerable to Ghost-types such as Misdreavus as well as Pokemon with 101 HP Substitutes, such as Braviary.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Taunt is a decent option to stop status or and setup from slower Pokemon. Reflect is a good option to patch up Hypno's weak low physical bulk, although but it is hard to fit into the moveset. Psychic allows Hypno to hit Scolipede harder, but it is generally much weaker than the listed attacking moves. Insomnia is the ability of choice, setting it Hypno apart from other special walls by allowing Hypno it to switch in on Jynx, Vileplume, and offensive Roselia fearlessly and wall them. The EV spread allows Hypno to avoid the 2HKO from Choice Band Primeape's Close Combat, while losing minimal special bulk, and avoiding the 2HKO from Life Orb Jynx, (AC) and Charizard, while losing minimal special bulk (if these second two are from a specific attack either uses, it would be good to mention the attack). Hypno despises status, so teammates that can remove Toxic Spikes are essential. Scolipede, Roselia, and Garbodor are able to absorb them Toxic Spikes, (remove comma) while setting and can set up Toxic Spikes of their own to aid in Hypno's stalling. In particular, Garbodor (is this Rocky Helmet Garbodor? Or just any Garbodor because of Aftermath?) is a great option to switch into and punish Pokemon that love using U-turn on Hypno. Teammates that can provide cleric support, such as Miltank and Audino, are also appreciated. Finally, teammates that cover Hypno's weaknesses to Dark- and Bug-type moves are decent. Klang and Gurdurr are able to do so with ease.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Magic Coat is a good option to reflect status moves and Taunt back at the opponent. An offensive Nasty Plot set can be used, but it is outclassed by more powerful Pokemon such as Beheeyem and Jynx. A Calm Mind set can be used, but it is held back by Hypno's poor physical bulk, vulnerability to status, and reliance on Wish and Protect for recovery, limiting its coverage. Hypno gets Baton Pass and is able to pass Nasty Plot and Calm Mind boosts, but it faces competition from Mr. Mime, which is faster and has Soundproof. Hypno can use Trick Room, but its poor offenses mean it cannot utilize it effectively, and it is again outclassed by Beheeyem. Hypnosis can be used, but it is inaccurate and takes up a moveslot that can be better spent on more beneficial status moves. Disable can be used to annoy Choice-locked Pokemon, but Hypno's low Speed holds this strategy back a little. Switcheroo can be used with a crippling items item such as Choice Specs or Flame Orb, but this prevents Hypno from doing its job of walking walling (lol) effectively. Finally, Belly Drum is the ultimate gimmick that and can be set up with relative ease due to Hypno's good special bulk and Wish, but once again, Hypno's its low Speed holds it back.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Skuntank and Liepard are the best counters to Hypno as long as they avoid Thunder Wave, as they can Taunt and Encore Hypno respectively before Pursuit trapping it. Scraggy and Gurdurr can set up on Hypno that use Foul Play, while Nasty Plot Misdreavus and Pokemon with 101 HP Substitutes such as Substitute + Bulk Up Braviary can set up on variants that use Seismic Toss. Taunt users are able to shut down Hypno. Mandibuzz and Misdreavus do so effectively, with the former taking little damage from Foul Play and the latter being immune to Seismic Toss. Powerful physical attackers such as Pinsir and Scolipede can also defeat Hypno, but. However, they must be wary of switching into Thunder Wave. If Hypno lacks Taunt, Pokemon such as Substitute + Shell Smash Gorebyss or and Klang can set up on it. Toxic Spikes and Toxic are excellent ways to cripple Hypno. Scolipede is a good Pokemon to set up Toxic Spikes while threatening and can threaten to OHKO Hypno with Megahorn. Finally, powerful wallbreakers such as Ludicolo and Choice Band Sawk can still 2HKO Hypno with entry hazard support.</p>

    GP: 2/2
  16. scorpdestroyer

    scorpdestroyer is a pious radio
    is a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
    Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2012
    Messages:
    1,753
    smh melvni obv hypno can't walk

    Ready for upload
  17. Raseri

    Raseri musharna fan
    is a Tutoris a member of the Site Staffis a Forum Moderatoris a Community Contributoris a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogonis a Researcher Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnus
    NU Leader

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2007
    Messages:
    3,244
    uploading

Users Viewing Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 0)