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All Gens Implementing all old gens in PS - Testers required!

Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by Joim, May 7, 2013.

  1. magic9mushroom

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    http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/gen1oubeta-52004624

    Something's very wrong here.
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    There seems to be a bug with Thief in GSC. I don't have the log but I remember using Thief twice against two different Pokemon with Leftovers and Thief didn't steal either of them. In fact, I chatted with my opponent about this, it was about three or four days ago. (And no, I didn't accidentaly use Leftovers on Skarm because I remember that it wasn't recovering health, Skarm had no item).
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    ?_? it works for me when I just tested it? haha.
  4. Crystal_

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    that's weird, idk then.
  5. Jorgen

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    Turn 29 of this log shows a Reflect Alakazam taking half the damage it should from a Tauros Critical Hit Body Slam.

    EDIT: This is RBY by the way
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  6. Joim

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    I bet someone broke it, because that never happened before.

    I'll review it.
  7. Crystal_

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    Using a LK/D-E/Flamethrower/Rest Snorlax and it says:

    Your team was rejected for the following reasons: - Snorlax can't learn Lovely Kiss because it's incompatible with another move.
  8. Monte Cristo

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    This happens when I try DE LK lax too, just use return
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    Well no, don't "just use Return", DE LK lax is legal because the move LK existed in RBY. I think it's probably just an issue with an overly broad restriction on having both a GSC event move and an RBY-exclusive level-up/TM move, which is only a valid restriction if the GSC event move did not exist in RBY.
  10. Monte Cristo

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    No I meant, use return until the problem is fixed :/
  11. magic9mushroom

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    I dunno, but it definitely shouldn't work like that.
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  13. Xeze

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    http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/gen2oubeta-54872009
    (I'm on the right in the replay)

    The problem I've detected there is related with poison damage. When you switch out a Pokémon and the switched-in Pokémon is already poisoned, it should take poison damage as soon as it enters the field. However in some instances that didn't happen.
    For example:

    Turn 6

    straits withdrew Snorlax!

    straits sent out Tyranitar!

    Umbreon used Toxic!
    [DEBUG] randBW(100) = 83.
    The foe's Tyranitar was badly poisoned!

    Here's where my Tyranitar got poisoned. Normal so far.

    Turn 22

    straits withdrew Snorlax!

    straits sent out Tyranitar!
    [DEBUG] randBW(4) = 3.

    Raikou used Roar!
    [DEBUG] randBW(100) = 73.
    [DEBUG] randBW(4) = 2.

    Starmie was dragged out!

    The foe's Starmie restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Raikou restored HP using its Leftovers!

    Tyranitar was still poisoned at this point. However, it didn't take any poison damage when I switched it in.

    There were more instances where this occured. Watch the replay to check it.
  14. magic9mushroom

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    Stun Spore isn't working on Grass-types. Someone "fixed" it to the Gen 6 mechanics.
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    Likewise, Sleep Powder isn't working on Grass-types.

    Also, I've observed Metronome calling moves that don't exist in the generation in question.
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    Wrap seems to be last 5 turns way more often than it should. It will often do 5 wraps 4-5 times in a row. I think the probabilities haven't been set correctly. I know PO had a similiar issue.

    Also, it says clamps accuracy is 85. It was changed to 85 in later gens, but in RBY its 75. Not sure if the sim acknowledges that its 75 in RBY or not.

    Edit- I'd like is someone could check the freeze chance on ice beam. In the last 10-15 battles I've had something has been frozen within 2-5 ice beams. It seems to have an abnormally high freeze rate. It could just be ridiculous RNG though.
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    Turn 25
    Dragonite used Wrap!
    It's not very effective... The foe's Rhydon lost 1% of its health!
    The foe's Rhydon was wrapped by Dragonite!
    The foe's Rhydon can't move!
    Turn 26
    Dragonite used Wrap!
    The foe's Rhydon lost 19% of its health!
    The foe's Rhydon can't move!

    Wrap doing 19% to a rhydon, ever, without a crit, this doesn't seem very right to me. Also, the wrap didn't end, my opponent could not change moves until wrap ran out of pp. If i switched something in, it did normal damage first turn, and big damage the rest of the turns. Clamp worked as before tho.
    http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/gen1oubeta-60750978
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    Can someone seriously test the freeze rate of ice beam in RBY please? I've had at LEAST one freeze every battle for like the last 15 battles, most of those usually having 2. There always seems to be freezes within 2-5 ice beams. It could just be really crazy RNG, but I'm starting to get suspicious.
  19. magic9mushroom

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    Yeah, Wrap does identical damage every turn (there's only one damage roll per PP use), so this is definitely bugged to hell and back. I did mention this earlier.
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  21. Xeze

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    Mega Scizor in Gen 2? Seems legit
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    still wouldn't be good considering its STABs consist of Fury Cutter and Steel Wing
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    do not forget hidden power m8. It would be kinda a problem with ttar though.
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    In GSC event moves are incompatible with RBY trade moves. For example Growth + Substitute on the Eeveelutions or Lovely Kiss + Double Edge on Snorlax. And this isn't the way it works in-game.
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    This has been reported before. But I doubt that any of this is going to be corrected soon, specially since 6th gen is now the main center of attention on Showdown...

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