Inheritance [Prime Council Elected]

[motherlove]

Inheritance Ubers!

with the growing popularity of inheritance ubers I thought that it'd make sense to have a proper banlist in place ( and a viability ranking if someone feels like it)
As of right now the only ban in place is rayquaza-mega. However a suspect of protean may be necessary as it completely takes stall out of the equation, although this may not be used much as it is a deoxys attack with protean can 6-0 a stall team with ease. Other future suspects include zekrom and inheriting from prankster sableye. Comment threats, interesting sets or suspects you may have.

How many times did you use a stall team in the meta to affirm so confidently "deoxys attack with protean can 6-0 a stall team with ease"?

In ubers, even stallmons have a decently strong attacking stat and any random scald / u-turn / w/e will severely dent or even kill deoxys attack. Just because it's stall doesn't mean you can't run damaging move and hell if you run a stall primadon you'd be pretty stupid not to so it's not that easy to bring deoxys in safely. Also while it 2hkoes most of the meta it can rarely ohko stuff meaning landing a hit on deoxys isn't that difficult. Hell you don't even need to predict the switch to kill him on pursuit and a random Espeed / shadow sneak will take care of him.

Deoxys relies heavily on LO to do decent damage and assuming you don't make perfect predicts every turn, LO + SR and a random rocky helmet will bring down deoxys.

On top of that, protean may have a good special movepool but in the physical side it's fairly limited. The base power rarely goes over 75. And the most powerful moves are arguably terrible in ubers (stuff like fire blast / hydro pump). Meaning neutral hits won't do as much. Something like arceus poison for example can tank most of deoxys' moves to scout his set.

Calcs

252 SpA Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Arceus-Poison: 191-226 (43 - 50.9%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Poison: 187-220 (42.1 - 49.5%)

And lastly, it can only run 4 moves and can only fully invest 1 attacking stat. Once you scouted his set it's way easier to handle.

I'm not saying it's bad. But as a stallbreaker it's normal that stall has some difficulties to handle it. That doesn't necessarily mean it's op. And saying it 6-0s stall WITH EASE is just nonsense. Protean in ubers is actually pretty similar to protean in normal inheritance. Which isn't banned yet.

Tbh, I think mega launcher dialga is way harder to handle for stall than deoxys. Dragon pulse 2hkoes close to everything and flash canon / aura sphere deals with the dragon resists.

Other than that, here's a bunch of cool sets.

Dope sets

Here's a set I used to wall tough claws zekrom

Furry Fetish (Altaria) @ Altarianite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Boomburst
- Earth Power
- Roost
- U-turn
Earth power is to hit the incredibly obvious primadon switchin. The rest is pretty obvious.

Here's a cool think if you don't want to use the refrigirate set.

Rough masturbation (Kyurem-Black) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Shell Smash
- Icicle Spear

And that's the best set in history of everything ever. No contest.

I do porn (Keldeo) @ Life Orb
Ability: Mega Launcher
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Aura Sphere
- Hydro Pump
- Flash Cannon
- Dragon Pulse

Lastly if you're planning on making a viability ranking you can already toss slaking / regigigas in S+ rank because theses things are stupid powerful. Adapt / ph / quick feet / download...

EDIT: "any bulky ogre set can wall non-specs dialga, and any sdef set walls all dialga" -xJownage
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Dialga Dragon Pulse vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Kyogre: 216-255 (53.5 - 63.2%) huehue, I'm using max spedef ASSAULT VEST.
Still I completely forgot the existence of the stupid pink blob when I wrote this so I take my words back.

 

[grurk]

How many times did you use a stall team in the meta to affirm so confidently "deoxys attack with protean can 6-0 a stall team with ease"?

In ubers, even stallmons have a decently strong attacking stat and any random scald / u-turn / w/e will severely dent or even kill deoxys attack. Just because it's stall doesn't mean you can't run damaging move and hell if you run a stall primadon you'd be pretty stupid not to so it's not that easy to bring deoxys in safely. Also while it 2hkoes most of the meta it can rarely ohko stuff meaning landing a hit on deoxys isn't that difficult. Hell you don't even need to predict the switch to kill him on pursuit and a random Espeed / shadow sneak will take care of him.

Deoxys relies heavily on LO to do decent damage and assuming you don't make perfect predicts every turn, LO + SR and a random rocky helmet will bring down deoxys.

On top of that, protean may have a good special movepool but in the physical side it's fairly limited. The base power rarely goes over 75. And the most powerful moves are arguably terrible in ubers (stuff like fire blast / hydro pump). Meaning neutral hits won't do as much. Something like arceus poison for example can tank most of deoxys' moves to scout his set.

Calcs

252 SpA Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Arceus-Poison: 191-226 (43 - 50.9%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Poison: 187-220 (42.1 - 49.5%)

And lastly, it can only run 4 moves and can only fully invest 1 attacking stat. Once you scouted his set it's way easier to handle.

I'm not saying it's bad. But as a stallbreaker it's normal that stall has some difficulties to handle it. That doesn't necessarily mean it's op. And saying it 6-0s stall WITH EASE is just nonsense. Protean in ubers is actually pretty similar to protean in normal inheritance. Which isn't banned yet.

Tbh, I think mega launcher dialga is way harder to handle for stall than deoxys. Dragon pulse 2hkoes close to everything and flash canon / aura sphere deals with the dragon resists.

Other than that, here's a bunch of cool sets.

Dope sets

Here's a set I used to wall tough claws zekrom

Furry Fetish (Altaria) @ Altarianite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Boomburst
- Earth Power
- Roost
- U-turn
Earth power is to hit the incredibly obvious primadon switchin. The rest is pretty obvious.

Here's a cool think if you don't want to use the refrigirate set.

Rough masturbation (Kyurem-Black) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Shell Smash
- Icicle Spear

And that's the best set in history of everything ever. No contest.

I do porn (Keldeo) @ Life Orb
Ability: Mega Launcher
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Aura Sphere
- Hydro Pump
- Flash Cannon
- Dragon Pulse

Lastly if you're planning on making a viability ranking you can already toss slaking / regigigas in S+ rank because theses things are stupid powerful. Adapt / ph / quick feet / download...

Firstly deoxys-attack is walled a lot less easily than you make it out to be. The set using Kecleon for protean doesn't have much use besides drain punch, and some coverage options that aren't all that useful in ubers. deoxy's main damaging moves would be grass knot and low kick probably with coverage to deal with whatever turns out to be a good defensive mon (giratina comes to mind) and furthermore arceus-poison isn't a very viable mon at all, it having a pretty mediocre typing and ability without an item.

My main problem with the normal monsters rn is that they're walled pretty badly by giratina, but I'm sure they'll be S rank at least, even if they fill almost identical roles.

 

[xJownage]

Here's a cool think if you don't want to use the refrigirate set.

Rough masturbation (Kyurem-Black) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Shell Smash
- Icicle Spear

It doesn't need 4 moves to sweep everything. No lie, its swept me numerous times.

Agreeing with him as well on deo-A. Deoxys-A isn't even THAT good in this meta after playtesting it, it just doesn't have the power to ohko all the threats.

Also, any bulky ogre set can wall non-specs dialga, and any sdef set walls all dialga. TBH stall is really good in this meta. Also, inheriting from sableye is still banned grurk because its still aids on chansey.

Also, please play the meta before you start talking like you know it. Me and Motherlove have played for hours on end, so take our word for it; we know what we are talking about.

 

[grurk]

It doesn't need 4 moves to sweep everything. No lie, its swept me numerous times.

Agreeing with him as well on deo-A. Deoxys-A isn't even THAT good in this meta after playtesting it, it just doesn't have the power to ohko all the threats.

Also, any bulky ogre set can wall non-specs dialga, and any sdef set walls all dialga. TBH stall is really good in this meta. Also, inheriting from sableye is still banned grurk because its still aids on chansey.

Also, please play the meta before you start talking like you know it. Me and Motherlove have played for hours on end, so take our word for it; we know what we are talking about.

the reason I said they weren't banned, was to keep an open mind about them and I will.

I feel the same way about Deoxys-attack/protean although I think that offense laughs in it's face I still think that it can take down stall unless it's played really badly.

 

[xJownage]

I feel the same way about Deoxys-attack/protean although I think that offense laughs in it's face I still think that it can take down stall unless it's played really badly.

This just isn't true. Deo-A only restricts the balanced playstyle, and to a pitiful extent. It is actually a decent revenge killer with protean sucker punch, but has zero bulk and plenty of stuff can take the hits easily. It may get a kill or two against stall depending on the moveset, but hardly will do more.

 

[motherlove]

This just isn't true. Deo-A only restricts the balanced playstyle, and to a pitiful extent. It is actually a decent revenge killer with protean espeed, but has zero bulk and plenty of stuff can take the hits easily. It may get a kill or two against stall depending on the moveset, but hardly will do more.

Protean Espeed isn't a thing sadly. Download Espeed would be decent on deoxys tho.

 

[Chopin Alkaninoff]

In regular Inheritance, you don't really have any good recipient for Contrary Serperior, probably because Grass types has pretty mediocre Special Attacks (Sceptile only has 105).

In Inheritance Ubers, there is a Shaymin-Sky who has 120 SpA and 127 Speed, though its kinda frail. So I think inheriting from Serperior is usable now that you have a decent abuser of it. Maybe still walled by random Unaware pokes though.

 

[xJownage]

Protean Espeed isn't a thing sadly. Download Espeed would be decent on deoxys tho.

Meant sucker punch, my bad. Either way, its a decent revenge killer although its a bit outclassed in that role.

In regular Inheritance, you don't really have any good recipient for Contrary Serperior, probably because Grass types has pretty mediocre Special Attacks (Sceptile only has 105).

In Inheritance Ubers, there is a Shaymin-Sky who has 120 SpA and 127 Speed, though its kinda frail. So I think inheriting from Serperior is usable now that you have a decent abuser of it. Maybe still walled by random Unaware pokes though.

Grass stab is terrible in ubers, unfortunately, because everything is steel or dragon or flying or fire...yeah. Also, almost every team has either adapt espeed or gale wings, the former being much better than the latter, and skymin's 120 spa isn't enough to get a lot of important KOs even at +2. Unfortunately I don't think it would be that good.

Me and motherlove along with whoever else is playtesting with us will make viability rankings one of these days...

 

[I like donkeys]

Meant sucker punch, my bad. Either way, its a decent revenge killer although its a bit outclassed in that role.


Grass stab is terrible in ubers, unfortunately, because everything is steel or dragon or flying or fire...yeah. Also, almost every team has either adapt espeed or gale wings, the former being much better than the latter, and skymin's 120 spa isn't enough to get a lot of important KOs even at +2. Unfortunately I don't think it would be that good.

Me and motherlove along with whoever else is playtesting with us will make viability rankings one of these days...

Primal Raydon will definitely be S rank by the looks of it, it's just so gosh darn powerful. Having access to V-create, EQ, SD, DD, and espeed among others. In fact, V-create is so strong that it's more powerful than other coverage moves, check this shit out:

+2 252+ Atk Primal Groudon V-create vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Giratina in Harsh Sunshine: 392-462 (77.9 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Primal Groudon Dragon Claw vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 312-368 (62 - 73.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

hot giggity

Not only that but Pdon's great bulk allow it to run defensive sets, that allow the use of moonlight/synthesis to recover 75% IN ONE TURN. Example of moonlight donors include Clefable and Sableye, Clefable gets STAB fireblast and rocks, while Sableye gets metal burst and knock off and some other things. If you want synthesis, then you can choose from the large list of grass types at your disposal:

based synthesis donors

Perhaps Amoongus's spore grabs your attention, or maybe Mew's immense movepool will do the trick (including STABS), what if Chesnaught's spike stacking is more your speed.

The amount of things Pdon can do is really impressive :3

EDIT: Forgot about morning sun :3
Arcanine is a notable user, granting perhaps the only physical fire STAB and extremespeed (a real shame Entei doesnt get moring sun tho :[). Volcarona is pretty neat too thanks to quiver dance.

 

[grurk]

This just isn't true. Deo-A only restricts the balanced playstyle, and to a pitiful extent. It is actually a decent revenge killer with protean sucker punch, but has zero bulk and plenty of stuff can take the hits easily. It may get a kill or two against stall depending on the moveset, but hardly will do more.

I don't think you realise how strong deoxys-attack there is nothing that switches in on it that's viable and doesn't use priority.

 

[I like donkeys]

I don't think you realise how strong deoxys-attack there is nothing that switches in on it that's viable and doesn't use priority.

grurk's right, the calcs prove it (assuming the standard LO Deo-A stat spread):

252 SpA Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 128 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon: 356-421 (95.4 - 112.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Rocks
4 Atk Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Dialga: 359-424 (89 - 105.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
4 Atk Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Dialga: 484-569 (119.8 - 140.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 Atk Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Regigigas: 517-611 (121.9 - 144.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Zekrom: 491-580 (143.9 - 170%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Grass Knot (60 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 354-421 (109.5 - 130.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Mewtwo Y: 374-439 (105.9 - 124.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 312-369 (62 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lugia: 260-307 (62.5 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 Atk Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-B: 564-665 (144.2 - 170%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 Atk Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Palkia: 282-333 (87.5 - 103.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
4 Atk Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Fairy: 359-424 (80.8 - 95.4%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Primal Kyogre: 432-510 (126.3 - 149.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Kyogre: 335-398 (82.9 - 98.5%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Deoxys-A Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Soul Dew Latios: 304-359 (101.6 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Name something that is 3HKO'ed. Please.

 

[Tarontos]

Fur coat blissey is not 2 hkod by any of the above moves, I am not calling this good but it does exist as an option, but really don't use it it is bad
.

 

[Akumeoy]

Name something that is 3HKO'ed. Please.

With that specific set? Lots of things. It does pathetic damage to Jirachi, Aegislash, and Mega Mawile with specially defensive spreads. Hell, without Knock Off or a Fire move, even Scarf Jirachi can switch in and outspeed you. You need Rock Slide or Thunderbolt to hit Ho-Oh, and neutral support Arceus forms can take two Grass Knots. And forget breaking through Cresselia without a Super-effective move.

Protean Deo-A has the coverage it needs to take on any given threat, but it only gets four moves. Just like OU Inheritance.

 

[Chopin Alkaninoff]

For PDon defensive Morning Sun donors, there is actually a decent number of it, not just Arcanine. Rapidash gives you Will-o-wisp, Morning Sun, Flare Blitz and a Ground move in Drill Run (no Earthquake sadly). Solrock gives you Cosmic Power, Morning Sun, Earthquake and Will o Wisp, though no physical Fire moves. Rapidash is better than Arcanine if you're fine with no Extremespeed but need a STAB move (though Drill Run is kinda weak).

Pdon is probably S+ in here like in standard Ubers. It fits into any kind of team, from Offensive to Stall in standard. I'm sure its the same in here in Inheritance Ubers.

Also I don't think Deoxys A needs a ban. Its kinda similar to Azelf in non Ubers except more powerful, but also easier to die. I haven't played the meta so I could be wrong though.

 

[Imperator Romanum]

For PDon defensive Morning Sun donors, there is actually a decent number of it, not just Arcanine. Rapidash gives you Will-o-wisp, Morning Sun, Flare Blitz and a Ground move in Drill Run (no Earthquake sadly). Solrock gives you Cosmic Power, Morning Sun, Earthquake and Will o Wisp, though no physical Fire moves. Rapidash is better than Arcanine if you're fine with no Extremespeed but need a STAB move (though Drill Run is kinda weak).

Pdon is probably S+ in here like in standard Ubers. It fits into any kind of team, from Offensive to Stall in standard. I'm sure its the same in here in Inheritance Ubers.

Also I don't think Deoxys A needs a ban. Its kinda similar to Azelf in non Ubers except more powerful, but also easier to die. I haven't played the meta so I could be wrong though.

Except Deoxys-A is more powerful, and the metagame is more offensive. Deoxys-A with a focus sash will mow through most offensive teams

 

[Akumeoy]

For PDon defensive Morning Sun donors, there is actually a decent number of it, not just Arcanine. Rapidash gives you Will-o-wisp, Morning Sun, Flare Blitz and a Ground move in Drill Run (no Earthquake sadly). Solrock gives you Cosmic Power, Morning Sun, Earthquake and Will o Wisp, though no physical Fire moves. Rapidash is better than Arcanine if you're fine with no Extremespeed but need a STAB move (though Drill Run is kinda weak).

Pdon is probably S+ in here like in standard Ubers. It fits into any kind of team, from Offensive to Stall in standard. I'm sure its the same in here in Inheritance Ubers.

Also I don't think Deoxys A needs a ban. Its kinda similar to Azelf in non Ubers except more powerful, but also easier to die. I haven't played the meta so I could be wrong though.

Mew provides Synthesis, a functional equivalent to Morning Sun, as well as an extensive support movepool. Volcarona looks like it could provide the tools for a hilariously bulky Quiver Dance set - 75% healing with Morning Sun, guaranteed sun backing on Fire Blast, a cleanly patched up Special Defense and Speed... too bad there's no Ground STAB. But QD/Fire Blast/Giga Drain (Solar Beam means that Primordial Sea forces you out even with boosts)/Morning Sun is probably enough.

 

[Imperator Romanum]

Mew provides Synthesis, a functional equivalent to Morning Sun, as well as an extensive support movepool. Volcarona looks like it could provide the tools for a hilariously bulky Quiver Dance set - 75% healing with Morning Sun, guaranteed sun backing on Fire Blast, a cleanly patched up Special Defense and Speed... too bad there's no Ground STAB. But QD/Fire Blast/Giga Drain (Solar Beam means that Primordial Sea forces you out even with boosts)/Morning Sun is probably enough.

You're not going to kill Palkia, even at +6 (id assume) with giga drain, just run solar beam * fiery dance

 

[Akumeoy]

You're not going to kill Palkia, even at +6 (id assume) with giga drain, just run solar beam * fiery dance

Point taken on Solar Beam, but I think I would prefer Fire Blast to deal heavier damage to the inevitable Unaware wall headed Groudon's way.

228 SpA Groudon-Primal Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Cresselia in Harsh Sun: 237-279 (53.3 - 62.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
228 SpA Groudon-Primal Fiery Dance vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Cresselia in Harsh Sun: 171-202 (38.5 - 45.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Not that Cress can get by on just its bulk any more, but you get the idea.

 

[xJownage]

Except Deoxys-A is more powerful, and the metagame is more offensive. Deoxys-A with a focus sash will mow through most offensive teams

W/o Life orb, Deo-A has the inability to net kills in a metagame filled with bulky mons. If it doesn't have SE coverage it will have to take a hit, and a weak revenge move would easily kill it. Believe me, priority is aids. If we are being honest here, deo-A is probably just slightly less effective than azelf in standards. Its unpredictable, but easily beaten by offense and stall can beat it as well.

Note that Sash isn't very good on Deo-A as well. It just doesn't have the power it needs if you don't use LO. Please note that me and motherlove have probably played upwards of 50 battles and I have built 18 teams in this time. The first half of my teams tried to abuse deo-a and I was always left disappointed even playing motherlove's more balanced team.

Ho-Oh Pdon is standard and hits like a truck. Its very dangerous due to its walling and support capabilities as well. These are good points you are making about the weather-based recoveries, but you really don't want primo-sea switching in. Mew is probably the most suitable donor imo, but the lack of a solid physical fire stab holds the set back. I think it really holds a lot of pdon sets back; they all want that stab. V-crate don is absolutely monstrous, it can basically OHKO any non-fur coat mon in the game at +2. Oh, and it gets espeed. Rayray pdon may end up banned eventually.

I'm excited to see the attention to the meta! Now go play each other on showdown.


http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/customgame-234269191
Me and Motherlove again battle. I fuck up his team thats somewhere in between balance and semistall (the alt is his physdef boomburst set).

 

[I like donkeys]

You're not going to kill Palkia, even at +6 (id assume) with giga drain, just run solar beam * fiery dance

+2 252+ SpA Primal Groudon Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Palkia: 170-201 (52.7 - 62.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+6 252+ SpA Primal Groudon Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Palkia: 340-401 (105.5 - 124.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+6 252+ SpA Primal Groudon Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Palkia in Harsh Sunshine: 280-330 (86.9 - 102.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
+6 252+ SpA Primal Groudon Giga Drain vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Palkia: 253-298 (66 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Palkia Earth Power vs. +3 248 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon: 161-192 (39.9 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
ie: 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Palkia Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon: 403-476 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Palkia Bubble vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon in Heavy Rain: 364-432 (90.3 - 107.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

Unless primesea and sheer force becomes common on Palkia, it is often setup-fodder for Pdon.

 

[xJownage]

+2 252+ SpA Primal Groudon Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Palkia: 170-201 (52.7 - 62.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+6 252+ SpA Primal Groudon Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Palkia: 340-401 (105.5 - 124.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+6 252+ SpA Primal Groudon Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Palkia in Harsh Sunshine: 280-330 (86.9 - 102.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
+6 252+ SpA Primal Groudon Giga Drain vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Palkia: 253-298 (66 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Palkia Earth Power vs. +3 248 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon: 161-192 (39.9 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
ie: 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Palkia Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon: 403-476 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Palkia Bubble vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon in Heavy Rain: 364-432 (90.3 - 107.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

Unless primesea and sheer force becomes common on Palkia, it is often setup-fodder for Pdon.

Psea is its main use, its other being spamming draco meteor with sniper/adaptability.

 

[motherlove]

Ok I just checked smogon quickly before going to bed and what do I see?

"Deoxys-A with a focus sash will mow through most offensive teams"
-Jernmax 2015

When I saw this I just quickly checked my 1st offensive team to see how many pokemons had priority. 3 espeeders, 2+1 prio. None of these pokemons die to sucker punch. And the only mon who doesn't have prio has sub. Good luck sweeping this with your deoxys.
Also, intimidate mawile can switch in on a good amount of moves. And just completely oblitirate him.
252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Deoxys-A: 382-451 (158.5 - 187.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
And just for the lolz, 252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Gyro Ball (116 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Deoxys-A: 1110-1306 (460.5 - 541.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Also I tested special quiver dance primadon... pretty disappointing. It simply doesn't have enough special power and volcarona already has a poor coverage so don't expect groudon to be better.
Not to mention even if you switch in on a prima sea user it can just switch out and back in and BOOM, you're fucked.
There are other roles that groudon does a lot better.V-create lolz boomrekt#noscoped, sacred fire + roost bulky attacker and Spedef wall being the most successful I've seen as of now.

Someone tell me the point of morning sun? If you're not 2hko you can just use roost and if you are you won't be able to use morning sun. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying it's really niche, don't hinder yourself with a shitty morning sun set when you can run a better roost set.

 

[I like donkeys]

Someone tell me the point of morning sun? If you're not 2hko you can just use roost and if you are you won't be able to use morning sun. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying it's really niche, don't hinder yourself with a shitty morning sun set when you can run a better roost set.

It was just a theorymon so i haven't tested it's viability, so it could have been potentially cool or crap, i thought it would be cool though. My main thought was Amoongus/Parasect with sleep support and synthesis, could be cool even though they both lack fire/ground STAB (now that i think of it Parasect is probably better than amoongus thanks to aromatherapy). Another thought was Mew as a bulky setup attacker with SD, EQ, Fire punch/coverage, and synthesis (probably the best synthesis Pdon set). Chesnaught i thought of because of STAB quake + synthesis and spike stacking. I'm not saying they are the best sets - i think we can all agree Raydon V-create is it's most effective set, but I was just putting some ideas out there so we can potentially come up with more diverse sets :3

I agree on Deoxys-A being not that great, but the point i was getting at was IF it gets a free turn to attack, literally NOTHING is a safe switchin, as Deo-A potentially has the coverage to OHKO any offensive switch in, and 2HKO any defensive switchin. Of course this is entirely dependent on the set Deo is running. And don't forget motherlove not every team is choked with priority, so Deo-A is not completely useless.
The cool thing about protean Deo-A (just like in regular inheritance) you can literally choose your checks depending on the set you're running, along with the fact that Deo-A has the most powerful Protean Fake out + Sucker punch in the tier, and is the fastest so it can outspeed opposing fake outs from bulkier protean attackers.

Back onto morning sun tho. You seriously undermine Syn/moon/sun. Sure, roost/recover etc have double the pp and are therefore potentially more effective on stall playstyles (not to forget that the users of these moves typically have better movepools, Ho-oh is a great example *cough* sacred fire), but the fact that weather recovery moves recovers 75% instead of 50% is quite useful on a pokemon that lacks leftovers recovery, and could probably fit better on more balanced/offensive teams that can appreciate something to switch in and quickly heal back up to near full. In fact, scrap the setup Mew set i suggested earlier, just put u-turn on there somewhere instead. As a proud user of moonlight Desoland Pdon in balanced hackmons, i can say with certainty that 75% recovery is damn good. I'm not sure it will perform that well in inheritance ubers tho since i hear prime sea is very common.

EDIT:
Just to clarify, just like how reg inheritance has OU clauses, does uber inheritance have ubers clauses? Like the banning of mega ray for example?

 

[DarkeKnight]

EDIT:
Just to clarify, just like how reg inheritance has OU clauses, does uber inheritance have ubers clauses? Like the banning of mega ray for example?

IIRC, the only bans are Mega Ray and all the banned donors except for Sableye.

 

[Imperator Romanum]

Well, yeah. At +6 Giga drain will knock out Palkia. But there's two issues with this. Lets say you switch in your Primal don on my Ferrothorn or something, I switch Ferrothorn out for something like defensive mega salamence, expecting the V-create. But you, however, Quiver dance. I'm scared of the HP ice or something along those lines and I switch out into Primordial sea Palkia with an assault vest, which is viable after choice specs. You're now at +2 +2 +2 in the rain, alright. You lose this no matter what, unless you giga drain on the first switch and get of some prior damage

+2 252+ SpA Primal Groudon Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Palkia: 114-135 (35.4 - 41.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

+2 252+ SpA Primal Groudon Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Palkia: 170-201 (52.7 - 62.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

(remember he quiver dances on the switch, so it's not at +2 when palkia switches in)

Palkias scalds OHKOs in the rain even at +2