Just Another RMT

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  1. Professor Science

    Professor Science

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    Just Another RMT

    The team at a glance:
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    Hey everyone, this is my first RMT and my most successful team so far. I decided to make a non-weather team originally, since weather is (in my experience) easily defeated by the right pokemon. However, it is difficult to make a non weather team that succeeds against all kinds of weather, as well as other non-weather teams. Of course, this is what everyone sets out to achieve, and I believe I have assembled a team capable of doing this. So without further ado I present to you my non-weather team!

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    Rotom W @ Choice Specs
    Levitate | Timid nature
    4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    -Volt Switch
    -Hydro Pump
    -Hidden Power [Fire]
    -Trick

    Rotom W is just amazing. It can smash huge holes in most opposing teams with its incredible coverage. Volt Switch is decently powerful and is exceptionally useful for scouting. Hydro Pump is Rotom W's most powerful move, and is capsble of OHKOing or 2HKOing almost anything unresisted, unless of course your name is Chansey or Blissey. Hidden Power [Fire] is insanely useful as well, getting a surprise KO on Grass types, especially Ferrothorn. The final move is Trick, which solves all my problems with walls like the aforementioned Blisseey / Chansey. I usually lead with Rotom W because it is so versatile, and has only one weakness.

    Changes: I might change the Hidden Power to Grass, since I already have Heatran and it would be good to counter opposing Rotom Ws, Gastrodons, and the like. However, Hidden Power [Fire] is very useful already. I'll leave it to you guys- should I change it?

    Synergy:

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    Heatran, Celebi, Breloom



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    Celebi @ Leftovers
    Natural Cure | Modest nature
    232 HP / 240 SpA / 36 Spe
    -Thunder Wave
    -Leaf Storm
    -Hidden Power [Fire]
    -Recover

    Celebi replaces Blissey and acts as a wall / special attacker. It is very versatile and solves several problems for my team. Thunder Wave is to cripple fast attackers, and the has is sometimes very useful. Leaf Storm is Celebi's most powerful move, and it deals serious damage. The Special Attack drop is unappealing though. Hidden Power [Fire] deals with grass types hoping to come in on Leaf Storm, and also kills Scizor. Recover is so that Celebi lasts a lot longer.

    Changes: Would it be a good idea to give Celebi Giga Drain? Although I would see a huge drop in power, it would make Celebi more into a wall of sorts.

    Synergy:

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    Heatran, Rotom W

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    Slowbro, Heatran, Rotom W, Terrakion

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    Slowbro, Heatran, Rotom W

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    Heatran, Terrakion

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    Heatran, Breloom, Terrakion

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    Heatran

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    Heatran, Terrakion



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    Slowbro @ Leftovers
    Regenerator | Bold nature
    252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
    -Scald
    -Thunderwave
    -Psychic
    -Slack Off

    Oh my god, this thing…. Slowbro is my favourite physical wall in the metagame, being able to tank nearly every physical hit thrown at it. If that's not enough, it has some great moves to back it up. Scald is for decent damage and a chance of burn. Thunderwave is useful for crippling a fast attacker. Psychic is for great damage against Fighting types, which Slowbro walls all day long. Slack Off is for instant recovery, which is always useful. Slowbro also gets Regenerator, which heals 33% each time he's switched out, which has saved me on many occasions.

    Changes: I might change Thunderwave for a different status move, since I rarely use it. Probably I'm just a bad player, but still. If you have any suggestions, let me know.

    Synergy:

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    Heatran, Celebi, Breloom

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    Celebi, Breloom

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    Heatran, Breloom, Terrakion

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    Heatran

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    Heatran, Terrakion



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    Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
    Justified | Jolly nature
    4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    -Close Combat
    -Stone Edge
    -X-Scissor
    -Earthquake

    Terrakion replaces Mamoswine on my team, acting as a revenge killer. Close Combat is Terrakion's most powerful move, and deals large chunks of damage to almost anything unresisted. Stone Edge is Terrakion's other STAB, hitting Flying types that resist CC. X-Scissor is for Psychic-types, and Earthquake is for additional coverage, mostly against Electrics.

    Changes: None.

    Synergy:

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    Slowbro, Celebi

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    Slowbro, Heatran, Rotom W

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    Slowbro, Rotom W, Celebi

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    Heatran, Celebi, Breloom

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    Rotom W, Celebi, Breloom

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    Slowbro, Heatran, Celebi



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    Breloom @ Toxic Orb
    Poison Heal | Careful nature
    236 HP / 212 SpD / 60 Spe
    -Bulk Up
    -Spore
    -Drain Punch
    -Seed Bomb

    Breloom replaces what was previously Conkeldurr as my boosting physical sweeper. Bulk Up is to raise its already-high Attack and defence, while Spore is one of the best moves in the game, crippling a pokemon with Sleep and giving Breloom at least one free turn to set up. Drain Punch is a decently strong fighting-type attack, which has the added bonus of healing Breloom. Seed Bomb is another greatSTAB move, taking out pesky bulky waters.

    Changes: None really.

    Synergy:

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    Slowbro, Heatran, Celebi

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    Heatran, Rotom W

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    Slowbro, Heatran, Rotom W, Terrakion

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    Slowbro, Heatran, Rotom W

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    Heatran, Terrakion



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    Heatran @ Air Baloon
    Flash Fire | Modest Nature
    252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    -Fire Blast
    -Earth Power
    -Hidden Power [Ice]
    -Stealth Rock

    Heatran rounds off the team as a strong Special attacker. Fire Blast is a very powerful attack, and can do great damage to most opponents, even when resisted. Earth Power is great for coverage purposes,and is another strong attack in its own right. Hidden Power [Ice] is to smash Dragons with a super effective attack, and it is also great for other SE coverage. Finally, Stealth Rock is for hazard abuse.

    Changes: Once again, I may use Expert Belt, since I dislike the Life orb recoil and bluffing a Choice item is always fun.

    Synergy:

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    Slowbro, Rotom W, Celebi, Breloom

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    Slowbro, Celebi

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    Rotom W, Celebi, Breloom


    Overall Team Changes:

    I definitely need some priority, to help me deal with fast Scarfed pokes, especially Scarf Latios.



    Well there you have it folks, that's my non-weather team. I need constructive criticism, so throw it at me. Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated, and I thank you in advance for the rates.

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    Rotom-W @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Volt Switch
    - Hydro Pump
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Trick

    Celebi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 232 HP / 240 SAtk / 36 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Thunder Wave
    - Leaf Storm
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Recover

    Slowbro (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Thunder Wave
    - Psychic
    - Slack Off

    Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 236 HP / 212 SDef / 60 Spd
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Bulk Up
    - Spore
    - Drain Punch
    - Seed Bomb

    Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge
    - X-Scissor
    - Earthquake

    Heatran (M) @ Air Balloon
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Fire Blast
    - Earth Power
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Stealth Rock


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    Blissey @ Leftovers
    Natural Cure | Bold nature
    252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    -Seismic Toss
    -Wish
    -Protect
    -Toxic

    Blissey is everybody's favourite special wall. I went for Blissey instead of her little sister Chansey because the Leftovers recovery is oh-so useful and the fact that is can't take physical hits as well doesn't matter so much because of Slowbro. Seismic Toss is for solid, reliable damage on anything but ghosts. Wish is for healing and awe-inspiring team support. Protect is incredibly useful for scouting purposes, and gets extra healing through Leftovers and Wish. Finally, Toxic is great for crippling… just about anything besides Steels and (rare) Poison-types.

    Changes: None that I can think of.

    Synergy:

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    Slowbro


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    Mamoswine @ Choice Band
    Snow Cloak | Adamant nature
    4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    -Icicle Crash
    -Earthquake
    -Ice Shard
    -Stone Edge

    Mamoswine is the newest addition to my team. I am hoping that he'll be able to solve some of my team's issues. Icicle Crash is for solid damage and a chance to Flinch. Earthquake is a hellishly powerful move, capable of taking out most unresisted pokemon. Ice Shard is for some much-needed priority, and easily takes care of my team's Dragon weakness. Finally, Stone Edge is for excellent coverage.

    Changes: Maybe give it a different item to Choice Band. Probably and Expert Belt to bluff a Choice item.

    Synergy:

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    Slowbro

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    Slowbro, Heatran, Rotom W

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    Slowbro, Heatran, Rotom W

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    Slowbro, Rotom W

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    Heatran


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    Conkeldurr @ Leftovers
    Guts | Brave nature
    120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 SpD
    -Bulk Up
    -Drain Punch
    -Mach Punch
    -Stone Edge

    Conkeldurr is just a wrecking ball of destruction. Very little can survive it's powerful attacks. Bulk Up boosts his already massive attack stat, as well as the defence stat for added survivability. Drain Punch is extremely useful, dealing huge chunks of damage while healing Conkeldurr. Mach Punch gives it priority, while still being pretty powerful. Stone edge gives Conkeldurr a strong attack to use against resistant Flying-types, as well as nearly anything else that resists Fighting.

    Changes: I might put Payback over Stone edge for Ghosts, especially Dusclops / Dusknoir. But probably not, since Stone Edge is already very useful.

    Synergy:

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    Slowbro, Heatran

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    Heatran, Rotom W


  2. Professor Science

    Professor Science

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    Offensive Threats
     [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0f/248MS.png[/IMG] Tyranitar:
    [LIST]
    [*]Choice Band - Breloom can Spore to avoid a hit and KO, Terrakion can revenge
    [*]Choice Scarf - Terrakion KOs. Slowbro can also take a hit and burn it. 
    [*]Dragon Dance - Terrakion outspends and OHKOs.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d6/Ani479WMS.png[/IMG] Rotom-W: 
    [LIST]
    [*]Choice Scarf / Specs - I will have difficulty with various Hidden Powers, Celebi or Breloom should be able to take a hit and OHKO.
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    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f2/212MS.png[/IMG] Scizor:
    [LIST]
    [*]Choice Band - Rotom Hidden Powers, Slowbro can take a hit and burn it, HEATRAN.
    [*]Swords Dance - Rotom W can Hidden Power [Fire] if it comes in of an SD or Bullet Punch. HEATRAN.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8a/Ani149MS.png[/IMG] [B][COLOR="Red"]Dragonite:[/COLOR][/B]
    [LIST]
    [*]Choice Band - Heatran can come in on Outrage/Fire Punch/Earthquake (balloon intact) and 2HKO it with HP [Ice].
    [*]Dragon Dance - Terrakion can revenge kill with Stone Edge. Heatran can too, as long as the Baloon in intact and it has Outrage instead of Dragon Claw.
    [*]Mixed - Terrakion revenge kills.
    [*]Parashuffler - Terrakion or Heatran can KO.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e4/Ani186MS.png[/IMG] Politoed:
    [LIST]
    [*]Choice Specs / Scarf - For Specs, Rotom W can Volt Switch it. Terrakion CC's Scarf versions.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/03/Ani485MS.png[/IMG] Heatran:
    [LIST]
    [*]Standard - Rotom W or Terrakion outspeed and OHKO.
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    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/77/Ani385MS.png[/IMG] Jirachi:
    [LIST]
    [*]Substitute + Calm Mind / Wish + Calm Mind - Heatran can Fire Blast it, and Celebi and Rotom W and HP [Fire] it. [B]In rain, Celebi is my only check.[/B]
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/65/Ani381MS.png[/IMG] [COLOR="red"][B]Latios:[/B][/COLOR]
    [LIST]
    [*]Life Orb - This is a nightmare to face. Celebi or Slowbro can paralyse it, then Heatran or Terrakion can come in and 2HKO it. Will probably lose a pokemon in the process though.
    [*]Choice Scarf / Specs - See above.
    [*]Calm Mind - See above, except Heatran is less useful. 
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3b/Ani579MS.png[/IMG] [COLOR="red"][B]Reuniclus:[/B][/COLOR]
    [LIST]
    [*]Calm Mind - Celebi can wall it, but might not be able to do enough damage. Terrakion can KO if it comes in safely.
    [*]Offensive Trick Room - Send in Heatran and pray for a Focus Blast miss.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ef/Ani612MS.png[/IMG] [COLOR="red"][B]Haxorus:[/B][/COLOR]
    [LIST]
    [*]Choice Scarf / Choice Band - Rotom W can Trick it, then Slowbro can take a hit and hope for a burn, or Heatran can take a hit and HP [Ice].
    [*]Dragon Dance - See above.
    [*]Double Dance - See above.
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    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/50/Ani038MS.png[/IMG] Ninetales:
    [LIST]
    [*]Nasty Plot - Heatran can come in and KO Ninetales, or Rotom W can take anything but an Energy Ball and KO. Terrakion can revenge kill if necessary. 
    [*]Choice Specs - See above. 
    [*]Special Attacker - Heatran KOs. 
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b8/Ani534MS.png[/IMG] Conkeldurr:
    [LIST]
    [*]Bulk Up - Rotom W can usually OHKO it, and Slowbro walls it.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/4b/Ani251MS.png[/IMG] Celebi:
    [LIST]
    [*]Nasty Plot Sweeper - Terrakion OHKO's if it can come in safely.
    [*]Tinkerbell - Terrakion OHKO's if it can come in safely.
    [*]Choice Specs / Choice Scarf - Need I say it again?
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/90/Ani639MS.png[/IMG] Terrakion:
    [LIST]
    [*]Double Dance - Slowbro walls it, and can burn it.
    [*]Choice Scarf / Choice Band - Slowbro kills scarfed versions, my own Terrakion KOs banded ones.
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    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d1/Ani130MS.png[/IMG] Gyarados:
    [LIST]
    [*]Offensive / Bulky Dragon Dance - Slowbro says hi.
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    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/18/Ani094MS.png[/IMG] Gengar:
    [LIST]
    [*]Substitute + Disable / Pain Split - Terrakion kills it if it doesn't have a sub up. If it does, Heatran can avoid Disable but must pray for a miss.
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    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/19/Ani121MS.png[/IMG] Starmie:
    [LIST]
    [*]Life Orb - Celebi can take an Ice Beam and OHKO, and Terrakion revenge kills.
    [*]Rapid Spin - Celebi OHKOs.
    [*]Choice Specs - Celebi or Terrakion if they can come in safely.
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    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/66/Ani645MS.png[/IMG] Landorus:
    [LIST]
    [*]Rock Polish / [COLOR="red"][B]Swords Dance[/B][/COLOR] - Slowbro for RP, and Heatran or Rotom Wcan come in on an EQ, take an attack and KO. If all else fails, Terrakion can revenge kill.
    [*]Choice Scarf - Slowbro, Rotom W or Heatran. Breloom can also work, but must avoid HP [Ice].
    [*]Substitute + 3 Attacks - Heatran does well here.
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    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/74/Ani392MS.png[/IMG] Infernape:
    [LIST]
    [*]Mixed Attacker - Slowbro walls it. 
    [*]Nasty Plot / Swords Dance Booster - Rotom W can OHKO either of them, and Slowbro walls the SD set.
    [*]Choice Band - Slowbro walls it.
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    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/08/Ani637MS.png[/IMG] Volcarona:
    [LIST]
    [*]Offensive Quiver Dance - Terrakion can't take a HP [Ground] but otherwise destroys it. 
    [*]Bulky Quiver Dance - Terrakion shits on it.
    [*]Chesto Rest - Terrakion!
    [*]Substitute - Guess who? 
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    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d8/Ani462MS.png[/IMG] Magnezone:
    [LIST]
    [*]Substitute - Heatran dominates it.
    [*]Choice Scarf - Terrakion or Heatran both destroy it.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/88/Ani196MS.png[/IMG] Espeon:
    [LIST]
    [*]Calm Mind - Terrakion can KO if it comes in safely.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e5/Ani373MS.png[/IMG] Salamence:
    [LIST]
    [*]Dragon Dance - Slowbro walls it, Heatran with Balloon has nothing to fear and OHKO's.
    [*]Mixed - Heatran doesn't like Brick Break, but otherwise walls it and OHKO's.
    [*]Defensive - lol. Heatran.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/60/Ani635MS.png[/IMG] Hydreigon:
    [LIST]
    [*]Offensive - If it doesn't have Focus Blast, Heatran does fine. Terrakion can also OHKO if it gets in safely.
    [*]Choice Specs / Choice Scarf - Same as above.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/7e/Ani286MS.png[/IMG] Breloom:
    [LIST]
    [*]Sub Seed - Celebi just spams HP [Fire]. 
    [*]Sub Punch - Celebi again.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bb/Ani380MS.png[/IMG] Latias:
    [LIST]
    [*]Calm Mind - Heatran walls it to hell and back.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/20/Ani454MS.png[/IMG] Toxicroak:
    [LIST]
    [*]Swords Dance - Slowbro walls it and hits it x4 supper effectively.
    [*]Bulk Up - Slowbro again, but it's even easier.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b0/Ani448MS.png[/IMG] Lucario:
    [LIST]
    [*]Swords Dance - Slowbro walls this one too, especially if it lacks Crunch.
    [COLOR="red"][*][B]Nasty Plot[/B][/COLOR] - Breloom can come in on a Dark Pulse or Nasty Plot and KO with Drain Punch, but I don't know how well he'll take a +2 Aura Sphere. Terrakion can KO if it lacks Vacuum Wave.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bf/Ani640MS.png[/IMG] Virizion:
    [LIST]
    [*]Calm Mind - Celebi needs to watch out for HP [Ice] but otherwise KO's it. Terrakion can revenge kill it.
    [*]Swords Dance - Celebi kills this one too. 
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/44/Ani560MS.png[/IMG] Scrafty:
    [LIST]
    [*]Dragon Dance - Terrakion can come in on a Crunch and KO. Breloom can handle it too if it has Drain Punch.
    [*]Bulk Up - Terrakion and Breloom again. 
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8e/Ani003MS.png[/IMG] Venusaur:
    [LIST]
    [*]Special Growth - Heatran eliminates this.
    [*]Mixed Growth - Heatran can handle it if the Balloon is intact and if it doesn't carry EQ. Otherwise Celebi can handle it, but must beware of HP [Fire]. 
    [*]SubSeed - Heatran and Celebi can take it on. 
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/49/Ani376MS.png[/IMG] Metagross:
    [LIST]
    [*]Stealth Rock - Slowbro lols at it. 
    [*]Choice Scarf / Choice Band - Slowbro deals with it, but must beware of trick. 
    [*]Agility - Slowbro, but must beware of Thunder Punch.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/ff/Ani620MS.png[/IMG] Mienshao:
    [LIST]
    [*]All-Out Attacker - Slowbro walls it, can be annoying with Regenerator though. Terrakion OHKO's but can only switch in on Fake Out.
    [*]Choice Scarf / Choice Band - Slowbro loves this one, but Terrakion can't switch in at all.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/50/Ani091MS.png[/IMG] Cloyster:
    [LIST]
    [*]Shell Smash - Terrakion can come in on a Rock Blast and OHKO. 
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/67/Ani473MS.png[/IMG] Mamoswine:
    [LIST]
    [*]Physical Attacker - Slowbro and Heatran (Air Baloon) beat it.
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/15/Ani555MS.png[/IMG] Darmanitan:
    [LIST]
    [*]Choice Scarf - Slowbro or Terrakion can handle it. 
    [/LIST]
    [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0c/Ani641MS.png[/IMG] Tornadus:
    [LIST]
    [*]Rain Abuser - Rotom W can take a Hurricane and his back with Volt Switch or rain-boosted Hydro Pump. Terrakion can revenge kill it. 
    [/LIST]
    
  3. Professor Science

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  4. New World Order

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    Hi, cool team. First of all, the Volt-turn combination of Scizor and Rotom-W could give your team some issues, as one or the other are bound to give one of your Pokemon troubles. Rain stall is another playstyle that could greatly hamper your team, as you have four Pokemon prone to Toxic Spikes (although one of them does grab a nice Attack boost from it) and one other Pokemon who is completely useless against Rain teams. A way you can fix this up is to replace Conkeldurr with a Bulk Up Breloom. Breloom has no problems dealing with Rotom-W, as it resists their STABs, and also laughs at Scizor after a Bulk Up or two. Bulk Up Breloom also tears apart Rain stall, boasting super effective STABs against some of the most common members of Rain stall, such as Politoed, Ferrothorn, and Quagsire, and also only benefits from poison, unlike Conkeldurr, who is still negatively affected. Breloom also has a pseudo status immunity with a Toxic Orb.

    If a fast revenge killer is what you seek, then Choice Scarf Terrakion is your man, in place of Choice Band Mamoswine. Currently, Bulky Volcarona can cause some problems, as Heatran doesn't actually have anything to hit it with, after a couple Quiver Dances, Heatran wont be doing much damage anymore. Should you make the change to Bulk Up Breloom, you will also have opened your team up to SD Lucario. Choice Scarf Terrakion can revenge kill all three of those. While Mamo's Ice Shard could prove helpful, Choice Scarf Terrakion is still able to check many of the threats Mamoswine was expected to, such as DD Salamence and DD Dragonite. Choice Scarf Terrakion can always go on a late game sweep with Close Combat as well, and adds some much welcome Offense to your team.

    Of course, Terrakion is not enough for checking DD Salamence and DD Dragonite, you can never have too many lines of defenses against those two. Swap Heatran's item to an Air Balloon to help with this, and run Hidden Power Ice in place of Dragon Pulse. This way, the Dragons will have to Outrage to break your Air Balloon rather than Earthquake, while you can return fire with Hidden Power Ice. As well, numerous Chlorophyll sweepers, such as Sawsbuck and Tangrowth, love to run Ground-type moves solely for Heatran. Wouldn't it absolutely suck if you lost him to a random Earthquake Venusaur and got swept? It also gives you backup against Landorus, who, with the loss of Mamoswine, is checked only by Slowbro. As well, no point really of Timid nature, as you outspeed nothing significant, go with Modest instead.

    Finally, swap Toxic on Blissey for Thunder Wave, if Bliss and Slowbro carry different status moves, they might clash, as you might accidentally poison something you needed paralyzed or something. Paralysis is the more useful status for your team, as you are full of average Speed, but powerful Attackers, such as Specs Rotom-W, Offensive Heatran, and Bulk Up Breloom/ Conkeldurr.

    GL
    TLDR version (open)

    Bulk Up Breloom>Bulk Up Conkeldurr
    pros: better status absorber, deals with Volt-turn, deals with Rain stall
    cons: more difficulty against SD Lucario

    Choice Scarf Terrakion>Choice Band Mamoswine
    pros: checks SD Lucario, Volcarona, DD Scrafty, SD Toxicroak and many more, retain check against DD Dragonite and DD Salamence
    cons: lose out on STAB Earthquake and priority Ice Shard

    Air Balloon>Life Orb+HP Ice>Dragon Pulse+Modest>Timid on Heatran
    pros: better for dealing with DD Dragons, Chlorosweepers, and Landorus
    cons: less power, the Speed is non-issue because you don't outspeed anything significant

    Thunder Wave>Toxic on Blissey
    pros: better team synergy
    cons: I guess you lose Toxic... but Blissey is generally well off just T-Waving and SeismicToss spamming

    Sets (open)

    Breloom @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 236 HP / 212 SpD / 60 Spe
    Careful Nature (+SpD, -SpA)
    - Bulk Up
    - Spore
    - Drain Punch
    - Seed Bomb

    Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpA)
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge
    - X-Scissor
    - Earthquake

    Heatran @ Air Balloon
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk)
    - Fire Blast
    - Earth Power
    - Hidden Power Ice
    - Stealth Rock

    Blissey @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural CUre
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Seismic Toss
    - Thunder Wave
    - Wish
    - Protect
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    Hey,

    I've noticed that along with your weakness to the ever-common Volt-Turn cores that have taken over the meta game, you will have some serious problems with Fighting threats. Now, you are probably good enough so that you won't let Slowbro go down too easily, but under pressure of common opposing Terrakion or Breloom, Slowbro will go down very fast. In fact, your whole team is hit for super effective damage by Breloom sans Conkeldurr, who won't be able to set up on Breloom should he have a Sub up. A way to patch this up would be replacing Blissey with Celebi. Though you use Blissey for Wish support, I can't imagine that it is used too often because there are not too many opportunities for your Pokemon to switch in due to the massive Fighting weakness. I agree with NWO; I think a Scarf Terrakion will do you a lot of good.

    Sets (open)

    Celebi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 232 HP | 240 SpA | 36 Spe
    Modest Nature
    ~ Thunder Wave
    ~ Leaf Storm
    ~ Hidden Power [Fire]
    ~ Recover

    Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk | 4 SpD | 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    ~ Close Combat
    ~ Stone Edge
    ~ X-Scissor
    ~ Earthquake


    Cool team; I hope I helped. Good luck!
  6. Professor Science

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    Thanks guys, I will be trying out your changes.

    @New World Order, you are right about the rain stall thing- my team once got demolished by a Ludicolo. Although I haven't had that much trouble with toxic spikes, since Blissey recovers from it through Natural Cure, and can heal it off, Slowbro does plenty of switching too to take advantage of Regenerator, and Conkeldurr turns into an absolute powerhouse with Guts activated. Also I had Dragon Pulse on Heatran over Hidden Power [Ice] to hit stuff like Lati@s and Hydreigon stronger, and it was a little redundant with Mamoswine. But with Terrakion over Mamoswine, I will accept the change. I will try your other changes to Heatran too. Also I will try Thunderwave on Blissey, since although Toxic is useful, it isn't really needed mostly. Thanks for the rate!

    @harsha2014, you are correct in thinking that I rarely use Blissey's healing powers, so I will try your Celebi instead. Thanks for the rate!

    Edit: I am very happy with the changes, all my new pokes have shown their worth. However, I have a couple of problems now. After incorporating the changes suggested to me, I have realised that my team has ZERO PRIORITY. I am having difficulty with Scarf Latios in particular. Can someone help please?
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    If it is powerful priority you wish for, look no further than the number one Pokemon in the metagame, Scizor. With a Choice Band set, it can revenge kill some of the most prominent threats in the metagame, such as Terrakion, Haxorus, and Salamece, and backs up Slowbro and Heatran for dealing with these guys. As long as you don't do something stupid and switch Scizor into HP Fire, you can play mindgames with the opponent using U-turn and Pursuit. Even if you do get hit by HP Fire, its a free switch-in for Heatran now. Keep in mind, though, that by going to Scizor, you are losing out on either Blissey's Wish support or Celebi's ability to check Breloom. I've already replaced 2 members of your team and don't want to replace another. But it's something worth keeping in mind.
  8. Professor Science

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    Thanks New World Order, I did have a Scizor on one of my previous versions of this team, but I would be reluctant to put it onto the team now because I already have two pokes weak to fire and I don't know who I'd put it over anyway, since all my pokes are very important as is.
  9. Professor Science

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    Bump.
    I have been considering putting a Swords Dance Scizor over Breloom. Thoughts?

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