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Jynx (Analysis) [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by The NU Tuber, May 30, 2013.

  1. The NU Tuber

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    [Overview]
    • One of the strongest Pokémon in NU
    • Wide offensive movepool including its signature move Lovely Kiss
    • Amazing ability in Dry Skin; lets it use Water-types as setup/sleep fodder/excellent check to rain teams
    • Sets an extremely important Speed tier in NU at base 95
    • Main roles in the meta: wallbreaker, sweeper, sleep-inducer, rain check, revenge killer
    • Completely unable to take a hit/vulnerable to priority (excluding Aqua Jet)
    • Not meant to take hits, meant to dish them out
    [SET]
    name: Life Orb
    move 1: Lovely Kiss
    move 2: Ice Beam
    move 3: Psychic / Psyshock
    move 4: Focus Blast
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Dry Skin
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe



    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Defines the term "immediate threat" in NU
    • If it gets a free switch-in, pretty much guaranteed to at least cripple, if not completely destroy something
    • Lovely Kiss is the main reason this set is so threatening, as it ensures nothing can switch in safely
    • Ice Beam is Jynx's strongest/most reliable STAB, smashes anything that doesn't resist into the ground
    • Psychic/Psyshock are its best Psychic STABs, Psychic hits stuff like Alomomola/Torkoal harder and has higher BP but Psyshock hits special walls like Lickilicky/Munchlax harder and hits opposing Jynx for a 2HKO
    • Psychic preferred b/c threats you hit w/ Psyshock are relatively rare
    • Also, Jynx still has Focus Blast to hit most special walls (Licki, Audino, Regice) hard
    • Focus Blast hits Steels and other things that would take pittance from Jynx's other attacks
    • Should be used sparingly as it only as 8 PP and 70 accuracy
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Appreciates hazard support to gain several KOs, such as against Lickilicky (2HKO by Psyshock + Focus Blast after SR), Munchlax (2HKO w/ Psyshock after SR), Piloswine (OHKO by Focus Blast after SR + 1 layer of Spikes), etc.
    • Rock-types make good partners as they can set up SR, beat Fire-types that threaten Jynx, and lure in Water-types for Jynx to switch in on
    • As for Spikers, Scolipede makes a great partner b/c it can deal with Dark-types that threaten Jynx
    • You could use Energy Ball > Focus Blast to hit hit Rock-types more reliably, but the extra power/coverage from Focus Blast is more important
    • Rapid Spin support is also appreciated w/ Jynx’s vulnerability to hazards, especially SR, but not absolutely mandatory as Jynx usually just needs a free switch in to start destroying shit
    • Torkoal is a good partner w/ good type synergy + the ability to beat Metang, one of Jynx’s counters
    • Wartortle also defeats Metang/basically ensures a spin w/ Foresight + Rapid Spin
    • Highly appreciated on teams in need of a powerful wallbreaker/late-game cleaner, and never disappoints in leaving its mark on the opposing team
    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Ice Beam
    move 2: Psychic
    move 3: Trick
    move 4: Lovely Kiss / Focus Blast
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Dry Skin
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe



    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Has sufficient power, Speed and movepool to pull off an effective Scarf set
    • What it lacks in wallbreaking power, it makes up for in Speed
    • Ice Beam is once again Jynx’s best STAB, w/ high power/perfect accuracy
    • Psychic is the main Psychic STAB b/c this set needs all the initial power it can get, lets it revenge Carracosta after a Smash with ease
    • Trick cripples all of Jynx's common switch-ins (Metang, Grumpig, Munchlax, etc.)
    • Finally, Lovely Kiss in tandem w/ Scarf makes Jynx an incredibly fast sleep-inducer that can quickly remove a troubling mon from battle
    • Focus Blast can be used for extra coverage, but since this set lacks power, it's not preferred
    • This is the easiest set to force out because it’s locked into one move, but boasts extra utility over the other sets b/c of the extra Speed
    • Scarf's main role is to be an effective revenge killer/cleaner, and cripples any counter w/ Trick/Lovely Kiss
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Energy Ball can be used to easier revenge Gorebyss after a Smash, but loses out on a valuable move by doing so
    • Fighting-types make great partners to ensure Jynx’s sweep and make up for the loss of power
    • Sawk, Primeape and Gurdurr are good partners, breaking down special walls/Skuntank and providing excellent offensive synergy
    • Forced out a lot/is SR weak, so a spinner is useful to keep Jynx alive, although still not mandatory as Jynx still just needs a free switch-in to wreck something
    • Torkoal/Wartortle are the best partners for this job b/c they can beat Metang/Wartortle can guarantee spins
    • Scarf isn’t its strongest set, but it’s the best late-game cleaner out of the listed sets and gets its specific job done well
    [SET]
    name: Nasty Plot
    move 1: Nasty Plot
    move 2: Lovely Kiss
    move 3: Ice Beam
    move 4: Substitute / Psyshock
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Dry Skin
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe



    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Doesn’t pack the immediate power/versatility of the other sets, but makes up for it in several ways
    • This set can boost its stats, be protected from crippling status, and can take priority thanks to the combo of Sub + NP
    • Easy to get up a Sub by either using Lovely Kiss or bluffing it
    • The trick is to LK, then Sub, then NP and rinse and repeat until you can start smashing through teams w/ boosted Ice Beams
    • Psyshock is a decent option in the last slot to hit most Ice-resists hard, but it’s much harder to set up then
    • Much more easily walled than the first set w/ only STAB coverage, but finds it much easier to sweep with the given tools
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Much more of an offensive stallbreaker than anything else, and needs more support than the first set to function properly
    • Absolutely requires something to deal w/ Ice resists, as they take shit from Ice Beam and can fire back
    • Doesn’t require Rapid Spin support as much b/c of its better longevity, but still appreciated
    • Works exceptionally well on a rain team w/ partners like Ludicolo/Seismitoad, they can deal w/ most Ice resists and Toad can set up SR, plus Jynx heals in rain so it can set up more Subs
    • Additionally, Jynx can deal w/ Roselia/Mantine, two mons that normally are great counters to rain teams
    • Harder to use than the first set, but it pays off if you’re able to use it efficiently
    [Other Options]
    • It can use a bulkier Calm Mind set, but NP boosts much faster and Jynx’s stats aren’t built to be a bulky booster
    • Taunt/Magic Coat can be used to block/bounce back status moves, respectively, but Jynx doesn’t have the room for it and LK usually gets the job done anyway
    • It can Perish Trap w/ Lovely Kiss, but is extremely risky and a waste of its offensive potential
    • Has a colorful support movepool w/ Dual Screens/Wish/Heal Bell, but isn’t advised b/c it doesn’t have the bulk/typing to pull it off very well, and again wastes its great offense
    • Choice Specs can be used on the LO set, but LO lets you switch up moves and is preferred b/c of that
    • Additionally, LO recoil doesn't bother Jynx too much as it can't take hits anyway
    • Salac Berry can be used on the NP set in tandem w/ Sub, but mono-Ice coverage is undesirable for that kind of set
    • Shadow Ball/Signal Beam can hit Psychics/Ghosts, but Ice Beam usually hits them hard enough
    • An NP set w/ Focus Sash can work to try and weaken a team from the very start of the game
    [Checks and Counters]
    • EXTREMELY difficult to counter with its amazing Special Attack, offensive movepool, and Lovely Kiss
    • Once Sleep Clause is activated, there are a few mons that can shakily check it
    • Metang laughs at Jynx’s STABs, can shrug off a Focus Blast and OHKO w/ Meteor Mash
    • Grumpig laughs at anything it usually carries w/ Thick Fat, but can’t really do much in return
    • Munchlax can take almost anything (including Lovely Kiss) but must watch out for LO Psyshock and Trick
    • For NP, bulky Ice resists are the best way to beat it, such as Regice, Munchlax, Metang, etc.
    • Scarf set can be beaten through prediction/bulky walls, as it boasts the least power of the three sets
    • Infinitely easier to revenge kill
    • Faster Scarfers, such as Zebstrika and Charizard can come in after something has fainted and OHKO w/ their Fire attacks
    • Priority (except Aqua Jet) can usually at the least do a very large chunk to Jynx with its abysmal bulk
    • Metang’s Bullet Punch gets a special mention, as Metang can actually switch in on Jynx and OHKO after SR
    • Prone to being worn down through either LO recoil, Substitute, or hazard damage

    [Overview]


    <p>The former queen of NU has returned, and she is just as powerful as ever. With a wide offensive movepool including her signature move Lovely Kiss, an amazing ability in the form of Dry Skin that lets her easily punish Water-types and rain teams alike by simply entering the field, and high stats perfectly tailored to abuse these traits, Jynx is without a doubt one of the strongest Pokemon in NU. She also sets an extremely important Speed tier in NU at base 95, which has quickly become the gold standard for Speed in a now very fast-paced metagame. As such, Jynx is an incredibly potent wallbreaker, sweeper, sleep-inducer, rain check, and revenge killer all at once. Unfortunately for Jynx, however, her absolutely pathetic defensive typing and stats leave her completely unable to take a hit, making her a tried-and-true glass cannon. She also fears the many forms of priority (excluding Aqua Jet, of course) that roam everywhere in NU, as they are likely to leave a huge dent in her, if not OHKO her.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb
    move 1: Lovely Kiss
    move 2: Ice Beam
    move 3: Psychic / Psyshock
    move 4: Focus Blast
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Dry Skin
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set defines the term "immediate threat" in NU: if Jynx gets a free switch-in, she's almost guaranteed to at least cripple, if not completely destroy something on the opponent's side of the field. Lovely Kiss is a defining factor in this, as it guarantees absolutely nothing can get a free switch-in and easily incapacitates would-be counters to Jynx, such as Metang and Grumpig. Ice Beam is Jynx's most powerful STAB, and it easily smashes anything that doesn't resist it into the ground. Psychic and Psyshock are her two best Psychic STABs, and the choice between the two is completely up to you; Psychic has a higher Base Power and hits common Ice-resists such as Alomomola and Torkoal harder, and Psyshock hits most special walls such as Lickilicky and Munchlax harder. It should also be noted that Psyshock hits opposing Jynx for a guaranteed 2HKO. However, Psychic is still the preferred option because most of the foes Psychic hits are more common, and Jynx can hit most targets for Psyshock hard with her preferred coverage move, Focus Blast. Additionally, Focus Blast is able to hit Steel-types and other Pokemon that would be able to take Jynx's STABs, but should be used sparingly due to its unimpressive accuracy and low PP.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>You can use Energy Ball over Focus Blast to hit bulky Rock-types, such as Regirock, more reliably, but the extra power and coverage provided by Focus Blast is far more important. As for partners, Jynx highly appreciates entry hazard support as it helps her gain several KOs against the opposing team; Lickilicky, for example, can be 2HKOed by a combination of Psyshock and Focus Blast after Stealth Rock. Additionally, standard Torkoal and Piloswine can be OHKOed by Psychic and Focus Blast, respectively, after Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes. Rock-types make good partners to set up Stealth Rock, as they can handle Fire-types that threaten Jynx as well as lure in Water-types for her to switch into. As for Spikes users, Scolipede is arguably the best partner for this task as it is able to take on Psychic- and Dark-types that Jynx can sometimes struggle with. Rapid Spin users are also appreciated due to Jynx's vulnerability to entry hazards-Stealth Rock in particular. However, it isn't absolutely mandatory as spinners in NU are rare, and all Jynx really needs is one free switch-in to start wreaking havoc. If you do choose to have a spinner, though, Torkoal and Wartortle are the best options for this role. Torkoal provides decent type synergy and boasts the ability to beat Metang, one of Jynx's counters, and Wartortle can also beat Metang as well as get past spinblockers through the use of Foresight. This Jynx is highly appreciated on teams that need a good wallbreaker or late-game cleaner, and she never disappoints in leaving her mark on the opposing team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Ice Beam
    move 2: Psychic
    move 3: Trick / Lovely Kiss
    move 4: Lovely Kiss / Focus Blast
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Dry Skin
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Jynx has an excellent combination of power, Speed, and movepool that lets her pull off an effective Choice Scarf set. What she lacks in wallbreaking power, she makes up for in both Speed and utility. Ice Beam is once again Jynx's most powerful STAB. Psychic is another great STAB that provides decent coverage with Ice Beam and is chosen over Psyshock due to its higher initial power, which this set desperately needs. It is also especially helpful for revenge killing Carracosta after a Shell Smash with ease, as it hits Carracosta's weaker Special Defense. Trick provides a way to cripple all of Jynx's common switch-ins, such as Metang, Munchlax, and Grumpig, especially crippling any Eviolite user. Finally, Lovely Kiss in tandem with Choice Scarf turns Jynx into an incredibly fast sleep-inducer that can quickly and effectively remove a troubling opponent from the battle. Focus Blast can be used for extra coverage, but is not preferred as Choice Scarf Jynx lacks the ability to power through most special walls, and instead prefers to punish them through the use of Trick and Lovely Kiss. If you do opt to use Focus Blast, however, Lovely Kiss should be used over Trick as it is by far the best move at Jynx's disposal. Do note that this is the easiest set to force out due to being locked into one move. It is especially risky to use when threats like Skuntank are still on the field, but the extra Speed it possesses gives her much more opportunities to switch in and revenge kill the opponent. It should be noted that Choice Scarf is not Jynx's strongest set, and is not quite as effective as it once was. However, it's easily the best late-game cleaner out of all of Jynx's sets, and it gets its specific task done well.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Energy Ball is a viable move in place of Trick or Focus Blast (removing Lovely Kiss is not advised, as it is still Jynx's best move) to reliably revenge kill Gorebyss after a Shell Smash, but doesn't provide much use otherwise and Jynx loses out on a valuable move by doing so.</p>

    <p>As for partners for this set, Fighting-types make excellent candidates to ensure Jynx can sweep and to make up for her loss of power. Sawk, Primeape, and Gurdurr perform excellently against special walls and Skuntank, and in general provide great offensive synergy with her. A Rapid Spin user is also appreciated, as this Jynx is forced out a lot and is weak to Stealth Rock, but because Jynx is mostly used to clean up and generally doesn't repeatedly switch in and out, it isn't mandatory. Still, Torkoal and Wartortle are the best partners if you do choose to have one.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Nasty Plot
    move 1: Nasty Plot
    move 2: Lovely Kiss
    move 3: Ice Beam
    move 4: Substitute / Psyshock
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Dry Skin
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set packs neither the immediate power nor the versatility of the first two sets, but makes up for it in several ways. Thanks to the combination of Substitute and Nasty Plot, this Jynx is able to boost her stats, protect herself from crippling status such as paralysis and poison, and take priority attacks from behind a Substitute, extending her longevity drastically. Despite Jynx's absolute frailty, it's actually quite easy for her to set up through the use of Lovely Kiss, and from there just continuously set up with Substitute, Nasty Plot and Lovely Kiss until Jynx is ready to start smashing through the opponent's team with boosted Ice Beams. Psyshock is a coverage option in the last slot to hit most Ice resists hard, but Jynx finds it much easier to set up when she's behind a Substitute. Do note this set is much more easily walled than the other sets with only Ice coverage, but it's much easier to sweep with the given tools.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is much more of an offensive stallbreaker than anything else, and requires much more team support than the other sets to function properly. First off, Jynx absolutely requires something to deal with bulky Ice resists, such as Munchlax and Grumpig. These two Pokemon laugh at Ice Beam and even possess the ability to phaze via Whirlwind, ridding Jynx of all her hard-earned boosts. Rapid Spin support is not required, as this Jynx boasts much more longevity than the other sets, but it's still appreciated. This Jynx actually really appreciates something to get rid of Toxic Spikes, however, which are by far the most crippling hazard to this set. Jynx actually works exceptionally well in a rain team, as partners such as Ludicolo and Seismitoad can really help with dealing with most Ice resists, and Seismitoad can set up Stealth Rock for extra support. Additionally, Dry Skin heals Jynx in the rain, allowing her to heal off residual damage much faster and set up more Substitutes. In return, Jynx can easily handle Roselia and Mantine, two Pokemon that would normally easily handle rain teams. This particular variant of Jynx is much harder to use than the other two, and requires a lot of skill to work. However, it pays off in the end if you are able to use it efficiently.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Jynx has many other options at her disposal, but none of them really bring out her fullest potential. Perhaps her most interesting option is her famous Luna set: a Calm Mind set similar to the Nasty Plot set but with investment in HP rather than Special Attack. However, Jynx's stats are not that of a bulky booster, and the Nasty Plot set boosts much faster and thus is preferred. Taunt and Magic Coat can be used to block and bounce back status, respectively, but Jynx does not have the room for these moves and Lovely Kiss usually gets the job done anyway. She can use a combination of Mean Look and Perish Song to Perish Trap in conjunction with Lovely Kiss, but this is an extremely risky tactic and a waste of Jynx's offensive potential. She has a colorful support movepool including Wish, Heal Bell, Light Screen, and Reflect, but does not have the bulk or typing to pull off the role of a supporter, and again wastes her offensive potential.</p>

    <p>Jynx can utilize Choice Specs over Life Orb to further increase her power, but Life Orb allows for switching up moves and is preferred because of that. Additionally, Life Orb recoil isn't too bothersome as Jynx is unable to take hits anyway. On the Nasty Plot set, she could use Salac Berry in tandem with Substitute to boost her Speed as well as her Special Attack, but mono-Ice coverage is undesirable for that kind of set and one of the main selling points of the set is her ability to repeatedly set up Substitutes. Shadow Ball and Signal Beam can be used to provide coverage against Psychic- and Ghost-types, but don't provide much else otherwise, and Ice Beam usually hits them hard enough. Finally, a more offensive Nasty Plot set with a Focus Sash can attempt to weaken the opponent's team from the start of the game, but Jynx usually prefers to wreak havoc later on in the match rather than just dying at the start.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Jynx really does not have any counters in the strictest sense of the word, due to her amazing Special Attack, select movepool and, most importantly, Lovely Kiss. This makes her capable of incapacitating almost any so-called "counters" for the rest of the match. However, once Sleep Clause is activated, there are certain Pokemon that can shakily check her. Metang laughs at Jynx's STABs, has the bulk to shrug off a Focus Blast, and can OHKO her with Meteor Mash. Grumpig, with its Thick Fat, can easily take anything Jynx normally carries, but really can't do much in return aside from Whirlwind. Munchlax can also take almost anything Jynx throws at it (including Lovely Kiss), but must beware of Trick and Life Orb-boosted Psyshocks.</p>

    <p>The Choice Scarf set can be beaten through prediction, as she can be easily played around because she is locked into one move. Skuntank also serves as an excellent check as it is immune to Psychic, can live an Ice Beam and OHKO with its STAB move of choice. Most Pursuit users in general can serve as good checks, such as Choice Scarf Tauros, Scolipede, and Swellow. Special walls such as Lickilicky also get a mention as Choice Scarf Jynx lacks the power to break through them. As for the Nasty Plot set, bulky Ice-type resists&mdash;particularly Munchlax and Grumpig with their ability to phaze&mdash;are the best way to go.</p>

    <p>However, it should be noted that the easiest way to beat Jynx is to revenge kill her. Faster Choice Scarf users, such as Zebstrika and Charizard, can outspeed all variants of Jynx and OHKO her with their Fire-type moves. Priority attacks (sans Aqua Jet) are also good ways to revenge kill her with her abysmal bulk. Offensive Metang's Bullet Punch, however, gets a special mention as Metang can actually switch in on Jynx's STABs, and in return OHKO her after Stealth Rock. Kangaskhan's Fake Out also ensures a "free hit" with its 100% flinch rate, making it a good check. Finally, as Jynx is prone to wearing herself down whether through Life Orb recoil, Substitute, or entry hazards, sometimes the best way to beat Jynx is to wait for her to take herself down.</p>
  2. ium

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    i would remove mentions of the bias towards psyshock, and definitely the perception that psychic's targets are setup fodder. i personally like psychic better, but that's a matter of what the team needs and you should make the differentiation between the moves clear instead of mentioning what you have now.

    the nasty plot set's evs could be 252 spa / 4 sdef / 252 spe too; no need to lose special attack.

    your nasty plot set comments are extremely lacking because you don't really sell the set at all. what does it achieve exactly? substitute blocking status or easing prediction, and nasty plot boosting jynx's special attack is fine, but what, more specifically, does it enable jynx to achieve differently? what you mentioned so far is a little vague.

    the choice scarf set looks a bit much; i don't think energy ball's use is justifiable enough for a slash. it probably belongs in oo, or ac at the very least, because it doesn't add much more use to jynx and it's a shitty move to be locked into most of the time. regardless of where it's mentioned, make sure you make note of hitting stuff like bulky seismitoad too since it can take hits and ohko back with uninvested earthquake.

    in addition, i think trick is an absolutely vital move to have on the choice scarf set. lovely kiss should be slashed with focus blast, and probably slashed first too because what focus blast hits is pretty selective (munchlax, regice, lickilicky, probopass, bastiodon) and gets fucked over by trick and lovely kiss regardless.

    don't make it seem like a rapid spin user is absolutely mandatory, especially on the choice scarf set. of course it'll make it easier for jynx, but it's just not one hundred percent needed when jynx can immediately do stuff when it's safely in against something slower.

    lastly, you need to expand on the teammates. i only saw around four or five teammates mentioned across jynx's three sets; that's very sparse. there's definitely more teammates that you can mention from both the defensive and offensive spectrum if you think about the common pokemon that threaten jynx.
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    First things first. The order of the sets should be Life Orb, Choice Scarf, Nasty Plot. Not totally sure if Life Orb or Choice Scarf should be the best set, but Nasty Plot definitely should be last since its the worse set of the bunch.

    [SET] (Life Orb)
    • Change the EVs to 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe. You never put 4 HP on Stealth Rock weak Pokemon, because in doing so they get KOed by 4 switch ins to Stealth Rock.

    • Change move order to: Lovely Kiss, Ice Beam, Psychic (Psyshock slashed after), and Focus Blast. Lovely Kiss is the most important move in Jynx's arsenal by far and Psychic is a better option in this metagame.

    [SET COMMENTS] (Life Orb)
    • Change the mention of Psyshock/Psychic. Psyshock is only really hitting Flareon and Specially Defensive Munchlax. Focus Blast does more against Lickilicky, Audino, and Regice. Psychic hits Alomomola, Weezing, and Torkoal harder.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] (Life Orb)
    • Since the EVs are straightforward I think you can remove the mention of them.

    • Remove mention of Choice Specs being usable, it doesn't belong there.

    • Implement ium's changes of not making it seem as if Jynx needs Rapid Spin support. You can add Wartortle to the list of Rapid Spin partners as it also defeats Metang and can Foresight Rapid Spin to remove hazards almost guaranteed.

    [SET] (Choice Scarf) {This is going before NP's checks just to remind you to make the order change}
    • Move 2 should just be Psychic. Psychic allows Jynx to revenge kill Carracosta after a Shell Smash, which is way more important than being able to hit uncommon Pokemon like Flareon and Munchlax harder. Move 3 should be Trick since Tricking away its Scarf cripples all of Jynx's common switch ins. Move 4 should be Lovely Kiss first with Focus Blast slashed second.

    • To keep it consistent with Life Orb, change EV spread to 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS] (Choice Scarf)
    • Fix your sentences to work around the changes to the set I told you to make above.

    • Add that Choice Scarf's role is just to be an effective revenge killer or late-game cleaner. The Pokemon that beat it are crippled by Trick/Lovely Kiss.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] (Choice Scarf)
    • Remove the part about it needing extensive team support, if any sets needs that it's Nasty Plot by far.

    • Add Energy Ball here and say that it can be used to revenge kill Gorebyss more effectively, but it misses out on a better move by doing so.

    • Change CB Sawk mention to Fighting-types in general. Scarf Ape and Gurdurr also help break down the Pokemon that beat Jynx.

    • Implement ium's changes. Rapid Spin is not mandatory on this set. Mention Torkoal and Wartortle as good partners for Rapid Spin as an option anyways.

    [SET] (Nasty Plot)
    • Make the move order: Nasty Plot, Lovely Kiss, Ice Beam, Substitute (With Psyshock slashed after it)

    • Change EVs to 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe to keep it consistent with the other sets. 8 HP EVs don't do anything for it anyways, it can make 4 Subs regardless due to Leftovers.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] (Nasty Plot)
    • Remove mention of Salac Berry and add it to Other Options instead.

    [Other Options]
    • Don't call Perish trapping with Jynx effective. It's an extremely bad option on it actually, that should be emphasized.

    • Remove mention of Sash + Counter and instead talk about an offensive Focus Sash set with Lovely Kiss / Nasty Plot / Ice Beam / Psyshock that attempts to pressure a team and weaken them from the start of the game.

    [Checks and Counters]
    • Mention that Magmar is only a check because it's 2HKOed by Psychic after Stealth Rock. Also mention that Magmar is bad outside of checking Jynx.

    • Remove the part about Lovely Kiss missing, those kind of things don't belong there.

    Implement everything pls. I will stamp afterwards.
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    Implemented EBeast's changes, ready to be QC'd again
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    I think the fact that Jynx can 2hko other Jynx with an LO Psyshock deserves a mention somewhere, if the accuracy of Focus Blast turns you off.

    Also in the LO set, I'm not sure if I would say "No Spikers work particularly well w/ Jynx, but Scolipede still makes a great partner on offensive teams", since Roselia can take care of bulky Water-types and Scolipede can deal with Psychic-types on an offensive team.
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    Add that Psyshock hits Lickilicky, Audino, and Regice harder than Psychic, but is still weaker than Focus Blast on Life Orb's Set Comments.

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    Done, and expanded the OO section w/ Specs and SubSalac.
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    hi, jynx needs a new weave etc

    [Overview]

    • I feel like Jynx sets the Speed tier in NU, not just hits it. I know it's mostly semantics, but I feel it's important to note that without Jynx its Speed tier would be much less necessary to hit.

    [SET COMMENTS] (Life Orb)

    • Make sure you don't focus too much attention on Focus Blast in the write-up. It has three bullet-points dedicated to it (which is fine; no need to cut them), but it's by far the least important move on the set.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] (Life Orb)

    • On the mention of Spikers, probably wouldn't hurt to note that Scolipede can beat most of the Dark-types that threaten Jynx. I just don't like the phrasing of "no Spikers work particularly well." Even though I know you're talking about synergy/typing-wise, newer players may perceive this to mean that Spikers shouldn't be used with Jynx.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] (Scarf)

    • Good to note that this set is risky to play with when the opponent has Skuntank. Choice-locking into Psychic means a dead Jynx upon KO, Skunk can survive an Ice Beam, etc. You can probably just tack this on to the mention of Fighting-types as good partners, just noting that in addition to breaking down special walls, they can also beat Skuntank.

    [Other Options]

    • When you mention Specs, make note that one of the things that make it less effective than Life Orb is that it can't take hits well anyways, so losing HP from LO recoil isn't really that big of a deal.

    [Checks and Counters]

    • When you mention bulky Ice-resists as good checks to the NP set, give some specific examples (Regice, Munchlax, etc.)
    • Remove Magmar altogether. QC talked about it, and it's really not worth mentioning.

    Overall, not bad at all. Make these changes, and you're good to write it up.

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    Thank you, everyone who contributed! I implemented Treecko and tennisace's changes (except Roselia, I feel Dry Skin makes bulky Waters less of a hassle), and will update as soon as the write-up is finished ^__^!
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    Isn't 8 HP / 248 SAtk / 252 Spe the preferred EV spread for Jynx? It keeps the HP odd but IIRC it increases the recovery Dry Skin gives you in rain.
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    Tested it on PO. 8 HP gives you an extra 1 HP from Leftovers/Dry Skin. However the way Substitute works it also ends up taking an extra point of HP when making a Substitute, making the spread useless on SubNP and not worth mentioning on the other sets since it's situational.

    Start: 271(0 HP) | 273(8 HP)
    Recovery: 33(0 HP) | 34(8 HP)
    After Sub: 204(0 HP) | 205(8 HP)
    Net Loss from Sub: 67(0 HP) | 68(8 HP)
    After Sub + Dry Skin: 237(0 HP) | 239(8 HP)
    Overall Difference: 34 (both)
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    Hey guys, the write-up is now finished and ready for the 3rd QC check! Also sorry if I screwed anything up, my computer sux :/
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    2 things to be added to checks and counters
    kanga + tauros

    they are both checks, but fake out from kanga wrecks jynx, and tauros is faster and can OHKO with like 50 different moves

    also on the scarf set, energy ball > lk is a no. Mention that it can go in the last slot, but not over lk

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    In C&C when talking about Skuntank dispatching Jynx, make a mention of Pursuit since it removes Jynx from the game if Sleep Clause is active. You can make mention of Pursuit in general really. Pursuit can also be found on Tauros (Scarf), Scolipede (LO Spikes), and Swellow (over Quick Attack/Protect) these days.
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    Implemented all of the above changes. GP and amchecks now welcome! :)
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    [Overview]

    <p>The former queen of NU has returned, and she is just as powerful as ever; with a wide offensive movepool, including her signature move Lovely Kiss, an amazing ability in the form of Dry Skin that lets her easily punish Water-types and rain teams alike by simply entering the field, and high stats perfectly tailored to abuse these traits, Jynx is without a doubt one of the strongest Pokemon in NU. She also sets an extremely important Speed tier in NU at base 95, which has quickly become the gold standard for Speed in a now very fast-paced metagame. As such, Jynx is an incredibly potent wallbreaker, sweeper, sleep-inducer, rain check, and revenge killer, all at once. Unfortunately for Jynx, however, her absolutely pathetic defensive typing and defensestats leave her completely unable to take a hit, making her a tried-and-true glass cannon. She also fears the many forms of priority (excluding Aqua Jet, of course) that roam everywhere in NU, as they are more than this sounded awkward to me, but you don't have to cut it if you'd rather keep it here likely to leave a huge dent in her, if not OHKO. However, while she may be unable to take hit, she is more than capable of dishing one out, hard. The Queen has returned, and she’s aiming for nothing less than her former throne. This is all unnecessary fluff.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb
    move 1: Lovely Kiss
    move 2: Ice Beam
    move 3: Psychic / Psyshock
    move 4: Focus Blast
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Dry Skin
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set defines the term "immediate threat" (curly quotes) in NU: if Jynx gets a free switch-in, she'(curly apostrophe)s almost guaranteed to at least cripple, if not completely destroy something on the opponent'(curly)s side of the field. Lovely Kiss is a defining factor in this, as it guarantees absolutely nothing can get a free switch-in and easily incapacitates would-be counters to Jynx, such as Metang and Grumpig. Ice Beam is Jynx'(curly)s most powerful STAB, and it easily smashes anything that doesn'(curly)t resist it into the ground. Psychic and Psyshock are her two best Psychic STABs, and the choice between the two is completely up to you; Psychic has a higher Base Power and hits common Ice-resists,(AC) such as Alomomola and Torkoal harder, and Psyshock hits most special walls,(AC) such as Lickilicky and Munchlax,(AC) harder. It should also be noted Psyshock hits opposing Jynx for a soliguaranteed 2HKO. However, Psychic is still the preferred option because most of the foes Psychic hits are more common, and Jynx can hit most targets for Psyshock hard with her preferred coverage move, Focus Blast. Additionally, Focus Blast is able to hit Steel-types and other Pokemon that would be able to take Jynx'(curly)s STABs, but should be used sparingly with its unimpressive accuracy and low PP.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Jynx highly appreciates entry hazard support,(AC) as it helps her gain several KOs against the opposing team. 252/252+(this is implied) Lickilicky, for example, can be 2HKOed by a combination of Psyshock and Focus Blast after Stealth Rock. Additionally, standard Torkoal and Piloswine can be OHKOed by Psychic and Focus Blast, respectively, after Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes. Rock-types make good partners to set up Stealth Rock, as they can handle Fire-types that threaten Jynx,(AC) as well as lure in Water-types for her to switch in onto. As for Spikers, Scolipede is arguably the best partner for this task,(AC) as it is able to take on Psychic- and Dark-types that Jynx can sometimes struggle with. You can use Energy Ball over Focus Blast to hit bulky Rock-types, such as Regirock, more reliably, but the extra power and coverage provided by Focus Blast is far more important. Rapid Spinn users are also appreciated due to Jynx'(curly)s vulnerability to entry hazards, Stealth Rock in particular. However, it isn'(curly)t absolutely mandatory as spinners in NU are rare, and all Jynx really needs is one free switch-in to start wreaking havoc. If you do choose to have a spinner, though, Torkoal and Wartortle are the best options for this role. Torkoal provides decent type synergy and boasts the ability to beat Metang, one of Jynx'(curly)s counters, and Wartortle can also beat Metang as well as get past spinblockers through the use of Foresight. This Jynx is highly appreciated on teams that need a good wallbreaker or late-game cleaner, and she never disappoints in leaving her mark on the opposing team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Ice Beam
    move 2: Psychic
    move 3: Trick / Lovely Kiss
    move 4: Lovely Kiss / Focus Blast
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Dry Skin
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Jynx has an excellent combination of power, Speed,(AC) and movepool that lets her pull off an effective Choice Scarf set, and w. What she lacks in wallbreaking power, she makes up for in both Speed and utility. Ice Beam is once again Jynx'(curly)s most powerful STAB, with high power and perfect accuracy. Psychic is another great STAB that provides decent coverage with Ice Beam,(DC) and is chosen over Psyshock due to its higher initial power, which this set desperately needs. It is also especially helpful for revenge killing Carracosta after a Shell Smash with ease, as it hits Carracosta'(curly)s weaker Special Defense. Trick provides a way to cripple all of Jynx'(curly)s common switch-ins, such as Metang, Munchlax and Grumpig, especially crippling any Eviolite user. Finally, Lovely Kiss in tandem with Choice Scarf turns Jynx into an incredibly fast sleep-inducer that can quickly and effectively remove a troubling opponent from the battle. Focus Blast can be used for extra coverage, but is not preferred as Choice Scarf Jynx lacks the ability to power through most special walls, and instead prefers to punish them through the use of Trick and Lovely Kiss instead(redundant). If you do opt to use Focus Blast, however, Lovely Kiss should be used over Trick as it is by far Jynx's best move at her disposal. Do note that this is the easiest set to force out due to the fact that it’sbeing locked into one move, and. It is especially risky to use when threats like Skuntank are still on the field, but the extra Speed it gains gives her much more opportunities to switch in and revenge kill the opponent.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    Energy Ball is a viable move in place of Trick or Focus Blast (removing Lovely Kiss is a not advised, as it is still Jynx's best move) to reliably revenge kill Gorebyss after a Shell Smash, but doesn'(curly)t provide much use otherwise and Jynx loses out on a valuable move by doing so. As for partners for this set, Fighting-types make excellent candidates to ensure Jynx’s can sweep and make up for her loss of power. Sawk, Primeape,(AC) and Gurdurr perform excellently against special walls and Skuntank, and in general provide great offensive synergy with her. A sRapin Spin user is also appreciated, as this Jynx is forced out a lot and is weak to Stealth Rock, but because Jynx is mostly used to clean up and generally doesn'(curly)t repeatedly switch in and out, it isn'(curly)t mandatory. Still, Torkoal and Wartortle are the best partners if you do choose to have one. It should be duly noted that Choice Scarf is not Jynx'(curly)s strongest set, and is not quite as effective as it once was. However, it'(curly)s easily the best late-game cleaner out of all of Jynx'(curly)s sets, and it gets its specific task done well.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Nasty Plot
    move 1: Nasty Plot
    move 2: Lovely Kiss
    move 3: Ice Beam
    move 4: Substitute / Psyshock
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Dry Skin
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set does not packs neither the immediate power nor the versatility of the first two sets, but makes up for it in several ways. Thanks to the combination of Substitute and Nasty Plot, this Jynx is able to boost her stats, be protected herself from crippling status,(AC) such as paralysis and poison, and take priority attacks from behind a Substitute, extending her longevity dramastically. Despite Jynx'(curly)s absolute frailty, it'(curly)s actually quite easy for her to set up through the use of Lovely Kiss, and from there just continuously set up with Substitute, Nasty Plot and Lovely Kiss until you are ready to start smashing through your opponent'(curly)s team with boosted Ice Beams. Psyshock is a coverage option in the last slot to hit most Ice resists hard, but Jynx finds it much easier to set up when she'(curly)s behind a Substitute. Do note this set is much more easily walled than the other sets with only mono-(redundant) Ice coverage, but it'(curly)s much easier to sweep with the given tools.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is much more of an offensive stallbreaker than anything else, and requires much more team support than the other sets to function properly. First off, Jynx absolutely requires something to deal with bulky Ice resists, such as Munchlax and Grumpig. These two Pokemon laugh at Ice Beam and even possess the ability to phaze via Whirlwind, ridding Jynx of all her hard-earned boosts. Rapid Spin support is not required, as this Jynx boasts much more longevity than the other sets, but it'(curly)s still appreciated. This Jynx actually really appreciates something to get rid of Toxic Spikes, however, which are by far the most crippling hazard to this set. Jynx actually works exceptionally well a rain team, as partners like Ludicolo and Seismitoad can really help with dealing with most Ice resists, and Seismitoad can set up Stealth Rock for extra support. Additionally, Dry Skin heals Jynx in the rain, allowing her to heal off residual damage much faster and set up more Substitutes. In return, Jynx can easily handle Roselia and Mantine, two Pokemon that would normally easily handle rain teams. This particular variant of Jynx is much harder to use than the other two, and requires a lot of skill to work. However, it pays off in the end if you are able to use it efficiently.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Jynx has many other options at her disposal, but none of them really bring out her fullest potential. Perhaps her most interesting option is her famous Luna set: a Calm Mind set similar to the Nasty Plot set but with investment in HP rather than Special Attack. However, Jynx'(curly)s stats are not that of a bulky booster, and the Nasty Plot set boosts much faster and thus is preferred. Taunt and Magic Coat can be used to block and bounce back status, respectively, but Jynx does not have the room for these moves and Lovely Kiss usually gets the job done anyway. She can use a combination of Mean Look and Perish Song to Perish Trap in conjunction with Lovely Kiss, but this is an extremely risky tactic and a waste of Jynx'(curly)s offensive potential. She has a colorful support movepool including Wish, Heal Bell, Light Screen and Reflect, but does not have the bulk nor typing to pull off the role of a supporter, and again wastes her offensive potential. Jynx can utilize Choice Specs over Life Orb to further increase her power, but Life Orb allows for switching up moves and is preferred because of that. Additionally, Life Orb recoil isn'(curly)t too bothersome,(AC) as Jynx is unable to take hits anyway. On the Nasty Plot set, she could use Salac Berry in tandem with Substitute to boost her Speed as well as her Special Attack, but mono-Ice coverage is undesirable for that kind of set,(AC) and one of the main selling points of the set is her ability to repeatedly set up Substitutes. Shadow Ball and Signal Beam can be used to provide coverage against Psychic- and Ghost-types, but don'(curly)t provide much else otherwise and Ice Beam usually hits them hard enough. Finally, a more offensive Nasty Plot set with a Focus Sash can attempt to weaken the opponent'(curly)s team from the start of the game, but Jynx usually prefers to wreak havoc later on in the match rather than just dying from the start.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Jynx really does not have any counters in the strictest sense of the word, due to her amazing Special Attack, select movepool,(AC) and, most importantly, Lovely Kiss. This makes her capable of incapacitating almost any so-called "counters"(curly quotes) for the rest of the match. However, once Sleep Clause is activated, there are certain Pokemon that can shakily check her. Metang laughs at Jynx'(curly)s STABs, has the bulk to shrug off a Focus Blast, and can OHKO her with Meteor Mash. Grumpig, with its Thick Fat, can easily take anything Jynx normally carries, but really can'(curly)t do much in return aside from Whirlwind. Munchlax can also take almost anything Jynx throws at it (including Lovely Kiss), but must beware of Trick and Life Orb-boosted Psyshocks. The Choice Scarf set can be beaten through prediction, as because she is locked into one move, she can be easily played around. Skuntank also serves as an excellent check,(AC) as it is immune to Psychic, can live an Ice Beam,(AC) and OHKO with the STAB move of its choice. Most Pursuit users in general can serve as good checks, such as Choice Scarf Tauros, Scolipede and Swellow. Special walls also get a mention as Choice Scarf Jynx lacks the power to break through them. As for the Nasty Plot set, bulky Ice-type resists are the best way to go, particularly Munchlax and Grumpig with their ability to phaze, are the best way to go. However, it should be noted that the easiest way to beat Jynx is to revenge kill her. Faster Choice Scarf users, such as Zebstrika and Charizard, can outspeed all variants of Jynx and OHKO her with their Fire-type moves. Priority attacks (sans Aqua Jet) are also good ways to revenge kill her with her abysmal bulk. Offensive Metang'(curly)s Bullet Punch, however, gets a special mention,(AC) as Metang can actually switch in on Jynx'(curly)s STABs, and in return OHKO her after Stealth Rock. Kangaskhan's Fake Out also ensure'(remove apostrophe)s a "free hit" with its 100% flinch rate, making it a good check. Finally, as Jynx is prone to wearing herself down whether through Life Orb recoil, Substitute or entry hazards, sometimes the best way to beat Jynx is to wait for her to wait for her to take herself down.</p>


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