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Kenhorou (QC Approved 0/2)

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by Roserade Raider, Nov 7, 2010.

  1. Roserade Raider

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    #521 Kenhorou (Normal, Flying)- The Pride Pokemon

    http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/521.shtml

    Pigeon Heart: Prevents Defense from being lowered
    Super Luck: Raises the critical-hit ratio of moves; allows simultaneous use of Dire Hit and Focus Energy
    Dream World:Rivalry: Rivalry raises the the base power of a move by 25% if the foe and the user have the same gender, but reduces base power by 25% if the foe and the user have opposite genders. If the foe is genderless, move base power is unaffected.

    [OVERVIEW]
    <p>Kenhorou appears at first to be another typical "weak bird to begin your journey"-type of Pokemon. It is, but unlike Fearow, Swellow, or Staraptor, Kenhorou is more of a support Pokemon than anything else. Kenhorou has a rather wide support movepool with Taunt, Roost, Tailwind, U-Turn, Featherdance, Wish, Gift Pass, and above all Hypnosis. Kenhorou has a stat spread of 80 / 105 / 80 / 65 / 55 / 93. Its Attack is decent, while everything else leaves a little to be desired. On the defensive spectrum, its below-average Defense and HP and horrible Special Defense combined with crippling weaknesses to 3 of the most popular offensive-types in the metagame leave a ton to be desired, though like all Normal/Flying birds it has useful immunities to Ghost and Ground-type moves. On the offensive spectrum, Kenhorou's good Attack is put to waste as it suffers from shallow-movepool syndrome. The viable moves it can use have low base power. Its abilities are also nigh-on terrible. Obviously, it is a rather poor choice in the upper-tiers, outclassed by Torunerosu, Crobat, and Erufuun among others, but can be useful with its ability to boost slower Pokemon's Speed and put Pokemon to sleep.</p>

    [SET]
    Name: UtilityBird
    Move 1: U-turn
    Move 2: Hypnosis
    Move 3: Roost / Tailwind
    Move 4: Taunt / Wish / Toxic
    Item: Leftovers / Choice Scarf
    Nature: Jolly
    Ability: Super Luck
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Kenhorou appears to be outclassed by Mischievous Heart Torunerosu or Crobat with this set, but does have one very useful thing Torunerosu and doesn't: Hypnosis. It can Hypnosis a Pokemon to incapacitate it, then U-turn to a check, counter, or set-up sweeper. Taunt can stop set-up sweepers or utility Pokemon. Roost is valuable for healing Pokemon. Kenhorou is also useful over Torunerosu for its Normal-typing, as it can switch into Gengar, Goruugo, Mismagius and Shanderra without being hurt by Shadow Ball or Shadow Punch/Earthquake. It doesn't mind Will-O-Wisp at all, making it an effective burn-absorber for your team as well.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>Kenhorou can run Toxic instead of Hypnosis, or it can use Toxic to poison a switch-in. Kenhorou can also run STAB Quick Attack to pick off weakened Pokemon. Tailwind is the better option in Ubers (but why would you be using this in Ubers anyway?) for its ability to speed up slower Pokemon like Groudon and Zekrom. It can still be useful in OU to boost Genosekuto, Ononokusu, Sazandora, and other Pokemon with trollish speed, but Roost is usually better so that Kenhorou can cripple more Pokemon. Please note that Tailwind only lasts for 4 turns, so the Speed boost is a limited bonus. Wish is also an option to heal both Kenhorou or another Pokemon, and is the main thing it has over Crobat. However, its HP stat is too small to really help your team. Wish can also not be run with Hypnosis, making it less than advisable. Choice Scarf can be used to boost Kenhorou's rather average speed, but part of the utility of this set is the ability to switch moves to support the team. Kenhorou works mostly as a defensive pivot and support Pokemon, so it can really fit in on most teams, especially helping set-up sweepers. Kenhorou doesn't mind entry hazards as much because of Roost, so a spinner is not as necessary for Kenhorou to function. However, like all Flying types, Kenhorou appreciates a Pokemon that can take out Rock, Steel, and Electric Pokemon. Ground Pokemon such as Doryuzu, Donphan, Randorusu, and Swampert make good partners due to their defensive resistances and attacking strength, and Heatran, Infernape, and Blaziken are helpful against Nattorei, Forretress, and Scizor. If running Toxic, this is a must.</p>

    [TEAM OPTIONS]
    <p>Kenhorou, as I've said before, is more of a support Pokemon and annoyer than anything else. It appreciates Spikes and Stealth Rock (Toxic Spikes really strips it of its status-spreading usefulness). A Rapid Spinner is helpful for Kenhorou as it will be switching in and out using U-turn. Nattorei makes a great partner for Kenhorou with it's spinning abilities and resistances to Rock, Electric, and Ice. It can also Leech Seed, which further enhances Kenhorou's ability to spread status. <p>
    <p>Kenhorou is countered by Steel-type Pokemon and Rock-type Pokemon for all of its moves. It appreciates Fighting and Ground Pokemon that can take them out. Kojondo is arguably the best partner for Kenhorou in this regard as they form a U-Turn chain while Kojondo dishes out super-effective Hi Jump Kicks. Roobushin also works well due to its bulk and super-effective Mach Punch. All in all, Kenhorou makes an excellent teammate for any set-up sweeper like Swords Dance Ononokusu, Dragon Dance Salamence, Bulk Up Roobushin, or even Nasty Plot Zoroark. Either Taunt or Hypnosis can be used to prolong someone else's set-up.<p>

    [OPTIONAL CHANGES]
    <p>Kenhorou gets Wish, but its HP is not large enough to effectively use it. Gift Pass is a poor man's Trick, and should only be used (if at all) on the UtilityBird set with Choice Scarf. Featherdance forces many physically-based foes to switch out, but is usually outclassed by Kenhorou's ability to spread status and boost teammates. Sky Attack can be used as a one-shot move with Power Herb, but is generally a poor option. Kenhorou can run Choice Band, Choice Scarf, or Life Orb sets, but they are completely and utterly outclassed by every Flying Pokemon except Farfetch'd. Kenhorou also learns Cheer Up to utilize a mixed sweeper set with Cheer Up/Return/Air Slash/HP Fighting, but it does not have the bulk or the Special Attack to make a set like this truly worthwhile.</p>


    [COUNTERS]
    <p>Like most Normal/Flying types, Rock and Steel Pokemon are the best counters to Kenhorou's Attacks: Scizor, Forretress, Aggron, and Steelix to name a few. However, all of those Pokemon need to watch out for Hypnosis. Without any investment in Special Defense, Kenhorou dies to just about any unresisted Special Attack, and even with investment still takes major damage. Glaceon, Abomasnow, Magnezone, Jolteon and other powerful Ice and Electric Pokemon have the ability to KO. Yet again those Pokemon have to watch out for Hypnosis.</p>
  2. Roserade Raider

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    I accidentally made this thread without seeing that the Pokemon we should be analyzing are Uber-caliber, but it is done, so if anyone would like to review this, please do!
  3. Don Honchkrorleone

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    He can make a good scarf lead.
  4. Roserade Raider

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    So something along the lines of U-turn/Gift Pass/Hypnosis/Return?
  5. Don Honchkrorleone

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    I wouldn't use Return if trying a scarf lead set with that average attack stat; maybe Endeavor or Taunt could work well.
  7. SOMALIA

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    Please follow the correct analysis structure.

    [SET]
    name:
    move 1:
    move 2:
    move 3:
    move 4:
    item:
    nature:
    evs: HP / Atk / Def / SpA / SpD/ Spe
  8. Roserade Raider

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    THIS IS DONE AND UBERS_ORIENTED
  9. SOMALIA

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    A few changes to be made before this is done(don't worry only a few minor points^^)
    1)At the beginning of every paragraph you should put this '<p>' and at the end of every paragraph put this '</p>'.
    2)Also it is important to leave space in your [SET] as shown below:


    [SET]
    Name: UtilityBird
    Move 1: U-turn
    Move 2: Hypnosis
    Move 3: Tailwind / Roost
    Move 4: Taunt / Toxic / Wish
    Item: Leftovers / Choice Scarf
    Nature: Careful
    Ability: Pigeon Heart
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe


    3) Change 'Set description' to 'Set comments'. Also note that all the headings (Set comments, additional comments, teammates and counters, optional changes, counters) should be enclosed withini these kind of brackets []. EG. [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]


    good job!!
  10. Roserade Raider

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    All right, the formatting has been fixed. This set is ready for approval (if it is deemed worthy:heart:)
  11. SOMALIA

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    You forgot the </p> at the end of the paragraphs, Also between [SET COMMENT] and the first line of the paragraph, don't leave any space;) All the other changes seems good, 'thumbs up'.
  12. Roserade Raider

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    Formatting is finally done.
  13. Great Sage

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    Kenhorou is noncompetitive in Ubers and should not receive an Uber analysis. I will open this when we move on to the lower tiers.
  14. Roserade Raider

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    Alright this analysis has been oriented back to OU. This is ready for quality control.
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    There is no "Teammates and Counter" in a formal analysis. This is the correct format.

  16. Roserade Raider

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    Alright Ditto, I've made the changes you asked for.
  17. SOMALIA

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    Please follow the correct format. You been told twice to leave a space between each stat, make it look like this:

    evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  18. Roserade Raider

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    Sorry I missed that before. Any more things I missed?
  19. Res Ipsa Loquitur

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    First off, excellent job. The Utility set is very clever, and your writing is good.

    I am just not sure that the Choice set belongs in the analysis. It seems to be completely outclassed by Staraptor. Probably Staraptor will end up tiered higher than Kenhorou, making this Choice set useful in lower tiers. But in OU, for which this analysis is intended, Staraptor has the same typing, nearly identical bulk, and far superior Attack and Speed. It also has Close Combat to rip into all of the counters you listed, more powerful options for both STAB attacks, and every single move you listed for Kenhorou just in case you wanted to run the exact set.

    I know that there are tons of "outclassed" sets on-site, but usually they have some small advantage like Deoxys's slightly better bulk making it occasionally worth using over Deoxys-A. But here, Kenhorou is almost strictly inferior. If this set belongs in the analysis, then Staravia should get a writeup too; its Brave Bird hits nearly twice as hard as Kenhorou's Aerial Ace.
  20. Roserade Raider

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    You have a good point. Does anyone think there is something that should replace it, or should I just omit it altogether? I didn't really think there was much more utility for Kenhorou besides the sets I have already listed.
  21. Roserade Raider

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    Alright I just omitted the set completely. This is finally done. Hopefully my grammar and formatting is up to par.
  22. Torchic

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    You have problems with the moveset.
    Kenhorou can't learn Wish together with Hypnosis.
  23. Roserade Raider

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    I've made a note of it. Is official Quality Control starting now?
  24. youhaveaface

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    Kenhorou is the new Swellow...
  25. Don Honchkrorleone

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    Lacking Team Options. Other than that great job.

    More of a new Pidgeot for me...

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