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Knowledge's Power: An RU Hyper Offense Team

Discussion in 'BW Other Teams' started by ghana.7, Aug 11, 2013.

  1. ghana.7

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    Introduction:
    Honestly, I never really realized why people posted teams that peaked #1 on the ladder for help in RMT. Seriously dude, you already hit #1, you should be able to figure out what to do with the team. I think the teams in the RMT Forum should be the teams that hit between 1500 and 1600, but can't really go any higher because they need help. This is one of those teams.

    The team at a glance:

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    The team in detail:

    Crustle @ Custap Berry
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Spikes
    - X-Scissor
    - Stealth Rock
    - Stone Edge​

    Crustle is my lead. It almost always gets up at least two layers of hazards, and sometimes can kill an Uxie or Aerodactyl if I stay at high HP. Once it dies, I generally switch ino Uxie so that the screens and hazards are ready for the sweepers. Crustle is actually the newest members of my team, because I just wasn't doing enough damage before it was on the team.

    Uxie @ Light Clay
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Memento
    - Light Screen
    - Reflect
    - Psychic​

    Uxie gets the necessary screens and Memento support that my four sweepers need to set up. Uxie is bulky enough to take hits and setup the screens, then crippling something with Memento and giving a teammate a switch in. Psychic is so Uxie isn't taunt bait, but I've never had to use it so I am open to suggestions for that spot. It also created knowledge and this thread's title.

    Gallade (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Psycho Cut
    - Drain Punch​

    Gallade is Sweeper Numero Uno. I use him to sweep if the opponent has something that can stop Klinklang, such as Rotom, Magneton, and Ferroseed. Psycho Cut is because Zen Headbutt screws me over a lot and it doesn't get any kills that I've noticed that Psycho Cut doesn't. Shadow Sneak is for priority and can kill most frail things trying to stop the sweep. I use Drain Punch over Close Combat because the recovery can really help and it makes Gallade somewhat useful in Trick Room or when it is paralyzed.

    Klinklang @ Life Orb
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Shift Gear
    - Gear Grind
    - Return
    - Wild Charge​

    Klinklang is Sweeper Numero Dos and is great against teams without a wall or an electric type. It usually cleans up the team if Gallade dies before screens are up and its counters are gone, but is walled easily because of its subpar coverage. (Random side note: Klinklang should really get drill run because gears ≈ drills and it would make Klinklang awesome)

    Hitmonlee (M) @ Normal Gem
    Trait: Unburden
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Fake Out
    - Hi Jump Kick
    - Stone Edge
    - Earthquake​

    Hitmonlee is the Quicker Picker Upper. It can hit anything but Ghost types (which it's already screwed against) get a speed bonus, and kill anything left with its awesome attack stat and great coverage. I don't send out Hitmonlee until after screens wear out because it doesn't need them to get its boost.

    Entei @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - ExtremeSpeed
    - Flame Charge
    - Flare Blitz
    - Stone Edge​

    Entei is the weak link on this team, and is only in this spot as a burn absorber. I want to change Entei to something else that is more threatening, but still can take burns easily.

    Threats:

    Ghost-types, especially Rotom, resist most of the attacks on the team and usually have Will-o-Wisp to cripple almost everything

    Steelix, although it can be weakened by each of the members of the team, usually walls something and kills it.

    Conclusion:

    Well, this is my team I made trying to test out Hyper Offense, and now I need you guys to help make it better. Give me ideas for anything, especially Entei's spot. Thanks!

    Importable: (Almost forgot)

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    Uxie @ Light Clay
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Memento
    - Light Screen
    - Reflect
    - Psychic

    Crustle @ Custap Berry
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Spikes
    - X-Scissor
    - Stealth Rock
    - Stone Edge

    Gallade (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Psycho Cut
    - Drain Punch

    Hitmonlee (M) @ Normal Gem
    Trait: Unburden
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Fake Out
    - Hi Jump Kick
    - Stone Edge
    - Earthquake

    Klinklang @ Life Orb
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Shift Gear
    - Gear Grind
    - Return
    - Wild Charge

    Entei @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - ExtremeSpeed
    - Flame Charge
    - Flare Blitz
    - Stone Edge
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2013
  2. Yonko7

    Yonko7 Guns make you stupid. Duct tape makes you smart.
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    Hiya Ghana,

    I like heavy offensive teams because they are highly strategical and can easily overpower most teams. The team has the basic idea but it can be made more efficient!

    First, starting with your lead. Crustle would like Rock Blast, rather than Stone Edge, because it gives you a better tool against Hail teams (Snover), Aerodactyl and Accelgor; which at the moment give you slight trouble if you let it. Changing the EV spread to 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 Spe gives Crustle the Speed to outspeed standard Druddigon and still survive Cincinno's attacks.

    Entei simply isn't pulling its weight with the current set. A heavy offensive team would like a wallbreaker so then a sweeper can finish the match, so keeping the burn immunity that you'd like, Magmortar is a good substitute. Magmortar places tremendous pressure on opposing defensive teams with its coverage and power, and behind a screen, it can hurt offensive teams too. With it, you can handle Smeargle leads a bit more easily thanks to Vital Spirit.

    Magmortar (open)

    [​IMG] & Life Orb
    Timid | Vital Spirit
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    -Fire Blast
    -Focus Blast
    -Thunderbolt
    -HP Grass

    HP Grass is an awesome attack to take out Quagsire which utterly walls Gallade.


    Gallade appreciates the additional Speed from changing its EV spread to 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe. The base 80 Speed is too important of a benchmark to ignore, because the lack of max neutral Speed means outspeeding positive Crawdaunt, neutral Absol, and tying with Kabutops and Mesprit. Changing its item to Lum Berry is a better option due to the prevalence of status especially burns. It also allows Gallade to setup on defensive Pokemon without caring about paralysis, and screens help against offensive teams. As you mentioned, Ghost-types are troublesome especially Spiritomb and Rotom, so to catch them I suggest Night Slash to replace Shadow Sneak. I understand the lack of priority sucks but my final suggestion kinda covers that and Gallade is meant to be bust out early- to mid-game so it's not too bad.

    Klinklang's EV spread should be changed to 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe to outspeed Choice Scarf Manectric and strike a balance with bulk too; otherwise, common scarfers would outspeed such as Rotom-C and Rotom so you could at least hit them before going down.

    Finally, Hitmonlee isn't helping your team to wiping the opponent out and its inability to take out Ghost-types it a bit disheartening. Also, with Magmortar weak to hazards I suggest Kabutops. Kabutops covers the priority with Aqua Jet and handles Ghost-types that try to spinblock with +2 Stone Edge. The speed from Weak Armor helps to wear the opponent down.

    Kabutops (open)

    [​IMG] & Life Orb
    Adamant | Weak Armor
    EV: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    -Swords Dance
    -Aqua Jet
    -Stone Edge
    -Rapid Spin


    gl!
  3. atomicllamas

    atomicllamas I eat my dinner in my bathtub
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    Hey, this is a pretty cool looking team, but I have some suggestions that I think could make it better.

    Custap Crustle should be using a different spread, I would suggest using Yonko7's set, cause he just ninja'd me real hard.

    On Uxie I would use U-turn over Psychic with a jolly nature, as this allows you to set up screens, u-turn to the appropriate mon, and come back in to set screens again later.

    On to the actual offensive part of this hyper offense team, there are two major problems I see with your team. First of all, you have four physical attackers which is why your team struggles with Steelix, in fact, Steelix + Qwilfish beat this team by themselves. Secondly, if you are using custap Crustle you definitely need a spin blocker, as otherwise you just wasted a slot on your team vs. every team with a spinner.

    Here are my suggestions to fix this. Change your Hitmonlee to the standard sub-split Rotom-N, as your team doesn't have the proper support for Hitmonlee to work (it needs pursuit trapping).

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    Rotom @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
    Timid Nature
    - Thunderbolt
    - Shadow Ball
    - Substitute
    - Pain Split

    This can spin block for your team which is a necessity.

    I also agree with replacing Entei with the suggested set, with a few minor tweaks, allowing Magmortar to outspeed neutral base 80's while adding some bulk (an using it with e-belt), at base 83, there isn't anything else it can really outspeed with 252 EVs anyways.

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    Magmortar @ Expert Belt
    Trait: Vital Spirit
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 24 HP / 232 Spd
    Modest Nature
    - Thunderbolt
    - Fire Blast
    - Focus Blast
    - Hidden Power [Grass]

    I also second the EV spread for Klinklang, for the reasons listed by Yonko7. Klinklang should be sweeping, and therefore needs speed, not bulk, as Uxie gives Klinklang pseudo-bulk.

    Good luck with the team, I hope some of my suggestions helped :).
  4. ghana.7

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    Ok, i made a copy of the original team for backup and my team is now:

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    Uxie @ Light Clay
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Memento
    - Light Screen
    - Reflect
    - U-turn

    Crustle @ Custap Berry
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Spikes
    - X-Scissor
    - Stealth Rock
    - Rock Blast

    Gallade (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Psycho Cut
    - Drain Punch

    Kabutops (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Weak Armor
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Aqua Jet
    - Stone Edge
    - Rapid Spin
    - Swords Dance

    Klinklang @ Life Orb
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Shift Gear
    - Gear Grind
    - Return
    - Wild Charge

    Magmortar @ Expert Belt
    Trait: Vital Spirit
    EVs: 24 HP / 252 SAtk / 232 Spd
    Modest Nature
    - Fire Blast
    - Thunderbolt
    - Focus Blast
    - Hidden Power [Grass]


    I'll be testing it later today

    Edit: Managed to get a battle in
    http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/rususpecttest-44533655
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2013
  5. atomicllamas

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    Hey based on your import, you haven't fully EVed Magmortar (you have 20 left), so I would put 24 in HP (take 4 out of Def), as this gives you an odd HP number allowing you to switch into rocks 4 times without dying. I am also going to reiterate that you really should use a spin blocker as otherwise your hazards are probably going to go to waste, cool replay though :).
  6. ghana.7

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    The reason I don't use a spinblocker is that if I am behind screens, it gives me a free chance to set up when they spin, and when I'm not behind screens, I usually have enough offensive pressure to make them attack instead of spin. And yeah I think I mistyped those EVs, fixed now.

    Edit: Replay that shows why spins can be beneficial for me AND why Gallade isn't totally screwed over by paralysis: (This was when the ladder and replays were messed up so im putting the log)
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    killianjust joined.
    Format:
    RU (suspect test)
    Rated battle

    Sleep Clause Mod: Limit one foe put to sleep
    Species Clause: Limit one of each Pokemon
    OHKO Clause: OHKO moves are banned
    Moody Clause: Moody is banned
    Evasion Moves Clause: Evasion moves are banned
    HP Percentage Mod: HP is reported as percentages
    Evasion Abilities Clause: Evasion abilities are banned
    ghana7's team:Uxie / Crustle / Gallade / Kabutops / Klinklang / Magmortar
    killianjust's team:Absol / Sandslash / Tangrowth / Emboar / Slowking / Glaceon
    Battle between ghana7 and killianjust started!

    Go! Crustle!

    killianjust sent out Sandslash!
    Turn 1

    The foe's Sandslash used Stealth Rock!
    Pointed stones float in the air around your team!

    Crustle used Stealth Rock!
    Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
    Turn 2

    The foe's Sandslash used Rapid Spin!
    It's not very effective... Crustle lost 2.4% of its health!
    The pointed stones disappeared from around the foe's team!

    Crustle used Spikes!
    Spikes were scattered all around the feet of the foe's team!
    Turn 3

    The foe's Sandslash used Rapid Spin!
    It's not very effective... Crustle lost 3.0% of its health!
    The spikes disappeared from around the foe's team's feet!

    Crustle used X-Scissor!
    The foe's Sandslash lost 41% of its health!

    The foe's Sandslash restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 4

    The foe's Sandslash used Earthquake!
    Crustle lost 38.9% of its health!

    Crustle used X-Scissor!
    The foe's Sandslash lost 40% of its health!

    The foe's Sandslash restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 5

    killianjust withdrew Sandslash!

    killianjust sent out Absol!

    Crustle used X-Scissor!
    It's super effective! The foe's Absol lost 100% of its health!

    The foe's Absol fainted!

    killianjust sent out Glaceon!

    (Commentary in blue) Crustle used the Sandslash going spin-happy to cripple it and kill Absol, and as you can see, the team can win without its hazards.
    Turn 6

    The foe's Glaceon used Blizzard!
    A critical hit! Crustle lost 55.7% of its health!
    The foe's Glaceon lost some of its HP!

    Crustle fainted!

    Go! Uxie!
    Pointed stones dug into Uxie!
    Turn 7

    Uxie used Light Screen!
    Light Screen raised your team's Special Defense!

    The foe's Glaceon used Shadow Ball!
    It's super effective! Uxie lost 32.5% of its health!
    The foe's Glaceon lost some of its HP!
    Turn 8

    Uxie used Reflect!
    Reflect raised your team's Defense!

    The foe's Glaceon used Hail!
    It started to hail!
    The hail crashes down.

    Uxie is buffeted by the hail!
    The foe's Glaceon's Ice Body heals it!
    Turn 9
    ghana7: why use manual hail when snover exists?

    Uxie used Memento!
    The foe's Glaceon's Attack harshly fell!
    The foe's Glaceon's Special Attack harshly fell!

    Uxie fainted!

    The foe's Glaceon used Blizzard!
    But there was no target...
    The hail crashes down.

    The foe's Glaceon's Ice Body heals it!
    killianjust: don't want it permanent

    Go! Gallade!
    Pointed stones dug into Gallade!
    Turn 10

    killianjust withdrew Glaceon!

    killianjust sent out Slowking!

    Gallade used Swords Dance!
    Gallade's Attack sharply rose!
    The hail crashes down.

    Gallade is buffeted by the hail!
    The foe's Slowking is buffeted by the hail!
    The foe's Slowking restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 11

    Gallade used Shadow Sneak!
    It's super effective! The foe's Slowking lost 56.0% of its health!
    Gallade lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Slowking used Thunder Wave!
    Gallade is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    The hail crashes down.

    The foe's Slowking is buffeted by the hail!
    Gallade is buffeted by the hail!
    The foe's Slowking restored HP using its Leftovers!

    Gallade is paralyzed? Whatever.

    Turn 12

    Gallade used Shadow Sneak!
    It's super effective! The foe's Slowking lost 44% of its health!
    Gallade lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Slowking fainted!

    The hail stopped.

    killianjust sent out Tangrowth!

    Paralysis killcount: 1

    Turn 13

    The foe's Tangrowth used Leech Seed!
    Gallade was seeded!

    Gallade used Drain Punch!
    The foe's Tangrowth lost 53% of its health!
    The foe's Tangrowth had its energy drained!
    Gallade lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Tangrowth restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Gallade's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
    Turn 14

    The foe's Tangrowth used Giga Drain!
    A critical hit! Gallade lost 62.1% of its health!
    Gallade had its energy drained!

    Gallade used Drain Punch!
    The foe's Tangrowth lost 55.0% of its health!
    The foe's Tangrowth had its energy drained!
    Gallade lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Tangrowth restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Gallade's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
    Your team's Light Screen wore off!
    Turn 15

    The foe's Tangrowth used Giga Drain!
    Gallade lost 29.2% of its health!
    Gallade had its energy drained!

    Gallade used Drain Punch!
    The foe's Tangrowth lost 53% of its health!
    The foe's Tangrowth had its energy drained!
    Gallade lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Tangrowth fainted!

    Your team's Reflect wore off!

    killianjust sent out Glaceon!

    Paralysis killcount: 2

    Turn 16

    Gallade used Shadow Sneak!
    The foe's Glaceon lost 39% of its health!
    Gallade lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Glaceon used Shadow Ball!
    It's super effective! Gallade lost 23.5% of its health!
    The foe's Glaceon lost some of its HP!

    Paralysis killcount: 2.39

    Gallade fainted!

    Go! Klinklang!
    Pointed stones dug into Klinklang!
    Turn 17

    Klinklang used Shift Gear!
    Klinklang's Attack rose!
    Klinklang's Speed sharply rose!

    The foe's Glaceon used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective! Klinklang lost 87.4% of its health!
    The foe's Glaceon lost some of its HP!
    Turn 18

    Klinklang used Return!
    The foe's Glaceon lost 34% of its health!
    Klinklang lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Glaceon fainted!

    Klinklang fainted!

    Go! Kabutops!
    Pointed stones dug into Kabutops!

    killianjust sent out Sandslash!
    Turn 19

    Kabutops used Aqua Jet!
    It's super effective! The foe's Sandslash lost 32% of its health!
    Kabutops lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Sandslash fainted!

    killianjust sent out Emboar!

    Sandslash was crippled enough by Crustle that it became a non-factor now.

    Turn 20

    Kabutops used Aqua Jet!
    It's super effective! The foe's Emboar lost 64% of its health!
    Kabutops lost some of its HP!

    The foe's Emboar used Wild Charge!
    It's super effective! Kabutops lost 67.9% of its health!
    The foe's Emboar is damaged by recoil!

    Kabutops fainted!

    Go! Magmortar!
    Pointed stones dug into Magmortar!
    Turn 21

    Magmortar used Thunderbolt!
    The foe's Emboar lost 25% of its health!

    The foe's Emboar fainted!

    ghana7 won the battle!
    Ladder updating...
    Ladder (probably) updated, but score could not be retrieved (Error: Parse Error).
    Ladder (probably) updated, but score could not be retrieved (corruption).
    ghana7: gg
    killianjust: gg
    killianjust left.


    Edit: Thank you for suggesting Magmortar
    http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ru-44766667
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2013

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