Kyurem-B (Hone Claws - GP 2/2, ok ready)

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#1
Alright, since C_M says that he's still doing Kyurem-B, I'll let him do the rest for now. Meanwhile, I've written up the Mixed Hone Claws set. When he finishes, we can merge this set and his analysis.



http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/kyurem-b

[SET]
name: Hone Claws (Sparkling Blue Black Kyurem)
move 1: Hone Claws
move 2: Outrage
move 3: Fusion Bolt
move 4: Blizzard
item: Life Orb
nature: Lonely / Hasty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set may seem gimmicky at first, but Kyurem-B's sky-high Attack and Ice typing make it a very powerful wallbreaker in the Ubers metagame. After a boost from Hone Claws, Kyurem-B's Outrage destroys virtually everything, even resists. For example, even with Leech Seed and Protect, standard Ferrothorn will be hard-pressed to take repeated +1 Outrages from Kyurem-B, as it takes 57.67% - 67.90% from the move. Fusion Bolt has excellent coverage alongside Outrage, as it swats aside Skarmory and Lugia without much trouble. The last move is what really sets Kyurem-B apart from other Attack boosters such as Zekrom&mdash;STAB Blizzard easily OHKOs physical walls such as Groudon and Gliscor, Pokemon that plague many physical attackers. Although Blizzard's accuracy is subpar under normal conditions, a single Hone Claws accuracy boost raises it to a much more usable 93%.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Kyurem-B has a couple of other options. Roost is an option to keep Kyurem-B relatively healthy, especially with all the residual damage that it tends to take. However, access to STAB Blizzard is generally what sets it apart from other boosting Dragon-types, such as Zekrom and Rayquaza. Ice Beam is another option if you find Blizzard too unreliable and find it hard to get a Hone Claws boost, but it fails to OHKO Groudon or do enough damage to Ground Arceus. The nature of choice can be important to Kyurem-B performance. A Lonely nature is preferred due to the power provided, which contributes to notable 2HKOes such as the one on Ferrothorn just noted. Since most of Kyurem-B's resistances are specially based attacking types, a Defense-lowering nature is preferable to one that lowers Special Defense.</p>

<p>Being a powerful wallbreaker, Kyurem-B appreciates two types of teammates: sweepers that can take advantage of damaged walls and Pokemon that can help Kyurem-B overcome its weaknesses. Kingdra is a very notable sweeper that appreciates Ferrothorn being severely weakened, as well as Groudon being removed. Other sweepers such as Excadrill, Double Dance Groudon, Dragon Dance Rayquaza, Terrakion, ExtremeKiller Arceus, and many others all appreciate physical walls such as Groudon, Gliscor, and Lugia lured out and destroyed.</p>

<p>Being an Ice-type, Kyurem-B is unfortunately weak to Stealth Rock, and has nothing to save it from Spikes. Naturally, this means that Rapid Spin users are ideal teammates for Kyurem-B. Tentacruel is an excellent long-lasting Rapid Spin user in Ubers, and can switch into Fighting-type attacks aimed at Kyurem-B. Excadrill also works brilliantly in most weather conditions, and can switch into Kyurem-B's Rock- and Dragon-type weaknesses. Forretress resists Dragon-type attacks and can also set up its own entry hazards, making Kyurem-B much harder to wall. Kabutops is also an excellent offensive Rapid Spinner that can take advantage of Kyurem-B's wallbreaking ability.</p>

<p>Physically defensive Forretress with Gyro Ball is probably the best counter to Kyurem-B, with defensive Scizor, Steel Arceus, and fast Jirachi with Iron Head all being close behind. Fighting-types such as Terrakion and Fighting Arceus, as well as faster Dragon-types, such as Palkia, Latias, Latios, Garchomp, and Salamence can also revenge kill Kyurem-B with ease. If Lugia is using a lot of Speed EVs as well as Reflect, it can stall out Kyurem-B thanks to Roost's secondary effect. Incidentally, many of these counters to Kyurem-B are excellent teammates for it. The aforementioned bulky Steel-types can switch into Dragon-type attacks, while Lugia and Latias defeat most Fighting-types. Groudon and the Giratina formes are generally good physical walls to take on Terrakion. Paralysis support from Thunder Wave Grass Arceus, Kyogre, Groudon, and Darkrai will also go a long way to help Kyurem-B sweep, while using Wobbuffet to remove revenge killers is another good idea. Also, Lugia is generally entry hazard fodder for Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Skarmory.</p>
 
#3
You might want to add Ice Beam in AC as an option over Blizzard, just because if you can't get a Hone Claws in it's nice to have an accurate option; You still 2HKO Groudon (and OHKOs Gliscor, of course).

Just a thought, though, overall it's good.
 

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#5
It's pretty bulky, so, would a tank set work with Roost over Blizzard?
This set is by no means meant to be a defensive booster; it's supposed to be all-out. The bulk of Kyurem-B allows it to setup on Hone Claws, and by losing all of your momentum entirely you miss the point of the set. Blizzard is also what makes this set so unique, thanks to Hone Claws boosting accuracy. Without Blizzard you miss on a lot of Pokemon, especially Ferrothorn.
 

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QC Approved 2/3

My favorite Black Kyurem set, and part of the reason I still defend Black Kyurem in Ubers! Just a few things to mention.

-Mention Ice Beam. Yeah its weaker and has almost no synergy with Hone Claws, but it does help when you can't get that Hone Claws.

-Slash in Hasty as a nature, because ALWAYS outspeeding base 90s is pretty nice!
 
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Looks weird but I think Reflect Lugia walls you, with Roost + Reflect. It can phaze you if you get greedy. Referring to a faster Lugia obivously which it should be, when using Reflect. Blizzard from 4 SpA Kyurem-W can't hurt Lugia enough to prevent Lugia from Roosting on you.
 

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Amateur check.

[SET]
Name: Sparkling Blue Black Kyurem (Mixed Hone Claws)
Move 1: Hone Claws
Move 2: Outrage
Move 3: Fusion Bolt
Move 4: Blizzard
Item: Life Orb
Nature: Lonely / Hasty
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set may seem gimmicky at first, but Kyurem-B's sky-high aAttack, and Ice- typing makes it a very powerful wallbreaker in the Uber tier. After a boost from Hone Claws, Kyurem-B's Outrage destroys virtually everything, even resists. For example, even with Leech Seed and Protect, standard Ferrothorn will be hard-pressed to take repeated +1 Outrages from Kyurem-B, as it takes 57.67% - 67.90% from the move. Fusion Bolt ihas excellent coverage alongside Outrage, as it swats aside Skarmory and Lugia without much trouble. The last move is what really sets Kyurem-B apart from other aAttack boosters such as Zekrom&mdash;STAB Blizzard easily OHKOs physical walls such as Groudon and Gliscor, Pokemon that plague many physical attackers. With thAfter one Hone Claws accuracy boost, Blizzard becomes 93% accurate's accuracy rises to 93%.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Kyurem-B has a couple of other options that it can use. Roost is an option to keep Kyurem-B relatively healthy, especially with all the residual damage that it tends to take. However, access to STAB Blizzard is generally what sets it apart from other boosting Dragon-types such as Zekrom and Rayquaza. Ice Beam is another option if you find Blizzard too unreliable if you can't get the Hone Claws boost, but fails to OHKO Groudon or do enough damage to Ground Arceus. The nature of choice can be important to Kyurem-B's performance. A Lonely nature is preferred due to the power provided, which contributes to notable 2HKOes such as the aforementioned one on Ferrothorn just noted. Since most of Kyurem-B's resistances are mainly specially attacking types, a -Def nature is preferable to a -SpD one.</p>

<p>Being a powerful wallbreaker, Kyurem-B appreciates two types of teammates&mdash;sweepers that can take advantage of damaged walls and Pokemon that can help Kyurem-B overcome its weaknesses. Kingdra is a very notable sweeper that appreciates Ferrothorn being severely weakened, as well as Groudon removed. Other sweepers such as Excadrill, Double Dance Groudon, Dragon Dance Rayquaza, Terrakion, ExtremeKiller Arceus and many others all appreciate physical walls such as Groudon, Gliscor, and Lugia lured out and destroyed.</p>

<p>Being an Ice-type, Kyurem-B is unfortunately weak to Stealth Rock, as well as not having anynd has nothing to save it from hit by Spikes. This would naturally followNaturally, this means that Rapid Spinners would bare ideal teammates for Kyurem-B. Tentacruel is an excellent long lasting Rapid Spin user in Ubers, while resistingand can switch into Fighting-type attacks aimed at Kyurem-B. Excadrill also works brilliantly in most weather conditions, as well asnd resistings Kyurem-B's Rock- and Dragon-type weaknesses. Forretress resists Dragon-type attacks and can also set up its own entry hazards, making Kyurem-B much harder to wall. Kabutops is also an excellent offensive Rapid Spinner that can take advantage of Kyurem-B's wallbreaking ability.</p>

<p>Physically defensive Forretress with Gyro Ball is probably the best counter to Kyurem-B, as isare defensive Scizor, Steel Arceus, and fast Jirachi with Iron Head. Fighting-types such as Terrakion and Fighting Arceus, as well as faster Dragon-types such as Palkia, Latias and Latios, Garchomp, and Salamence can also revenge kill Kyurem-B with ease. If Lugia is using a lot of Speed EVs as well as Reflect, it can stall out Kyurem-B. Incidentally, many of these counters to Kyurem-B are excellent teammates to it. The aforementioned bulky Steel-types can switch into Dragon-type attacks while Lugia and Latias defeats most Fighting-types. Groudon and the Giratina formes are generally good physical walls to take on Terrakion. Paralysis support from Thunder Wave Grass Arceus, Kyogre, Groudon, and Darkrai will also go a long way to help Kyurem-B sweep, while the use ofusing Wobbuffet to remove revenge killers is also another good idea. Lugia is generally entry hazard fodder for Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Skarmory.</p>
 

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A little bit of advice I got from Honko is that you shouldn't ever have any reason to use the word "aforementioned". It's fancy and intellectual but it's also four syllables and kind of annoying. "just noted" is fine in that sentence, so no need to change that. Also the to op, make sure all the first letters of move x:, item: etc. are in lower case.

Also, the name of the set should just be Mixed Hone Claws.

Otherwise, fine job rory.
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Thanks for the check Rory and NixHex. I got pretty much everything.

About the "Sparkling Blue Black Kyurem", I spoke with Theorymon about it and we've kind of agreed that it could stay for now (I kind of want one of the Kyurem-B sets to have it, to match the one for Kyurem-W), so we thought it might just be better to put it in brackets, while having the set name as just Hone Claws.

Ready for GP check 2
 

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[SET]
name: Hone Claws (Sparkling Blue Black Kyurem)
move 1: Hone Claws
move 2: Outrage
move 3: Fusion Bolt
move 4: Blizzard
item: Life Orb
nature: Lonely / Hasty
EVevs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set may seem gimmicky at first, but Kyurem-B's sky-high Attack and Ice typing make it a very powerful wallbreaker in the Uber tiers metagame. After a boost from Hone Claws, Kyurem-B's Outrage destroys virtually everything, even resists. For example, even with Leech Seed and Protect, standard Ferrothorn will be hard-pressed to take repeated +1 Outrages from Kyurem-B, as it takes 57.67% - 67.90% from the move. Fusion Bolt has excellent coverage alongside Outrage, as it swats aside Skarmory and Lugia without much trouble. The last move is what really sets Kyurem-B apart from other Attack boosters such as Zekrom&mdash;STAB Blizzard easily OHKOs physical walls such as Groudon and Gliscor, Pokemon that plague many physical attackers. Aftlthough Blizzard's accuracy is subpar under normal conditions, a single Hone Claws accuracy boost, Blizzard's accuracy rises to raises it to a much more usable 93%.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Kyurem-B has a couple of other options. Roost is an option to keep Kyurem-B relatively healthy, especially with all the residual damage that it tends to take. However, access to STAB Blizzard is generally what sets it apart from other boosting Dragon-types such as Zekrom and Rayquaza. Ice Beam is another option if you find Blizzard too unreliable if you can'tand find it hard to get thea Hone Claws boost, but it fails to OHKO Groudon or do enough damage to Ground Arceus. The nature of choice can be important to Kyurem-B performance. A Lonely nature is preferred due to the power provided, which contributes to notable 2HKOes such as the one on Ferrothorn just noted. Since most of Kyurem-B's resistances are specially attacking types, a -Defense-lowering nature is preferable to one that lowers -SpD onecial Defense.</p>

<p>Being a powerful wallbreaker, Kyurem-B appreciates two types of teammates&mdash;: sweepers that can take advantage of damaged walls and Pokemon that can help Kyurem-B overcome its weaknesses. Kingdra is a very notable sweeper that appreciates Ferrothorn being severely weakened, as well as Groudon removed. Other sweepers such as Excadrill, Double Dance Groudon, Dragon Dance Rayquaza, Terrakion, ExtremeKiller Arceus and many others all appreciate physical walls such as Groudon, Gliscor, and Lugia lured out and destroyed.</p>

<p>Being an Ice-type, Kyurem-B is unfortunately weak to Stealth Rock, and has nothing to save it from Spikes. Naturally, this means that Rapid Spinn users would be ideal teammates for Kyurem-B. Tentacruel is an excellent long -lasting Rapid Spin user in Ubers, and can switch into Fighting-type attacks aimed at Kyurem-B. Excadrill also works brilliantly in most weather conditions, and can switch into Kyurem-B's Rock- and Dragon-type weaknesses. Forretress resists Dragon-type attacks and can also set up its own entry hazards, making Kyurem-B much harder to wall. Kabutops is also an excellent offensive Rapid Spinner that can take advantage of Kyurem-B's wallbreaking ability.</p>

<p>Physically defensive Forretress with Gyro Ball is probably the best counter to Kyurem-B, as arewith defensive Scizor, Steel Arceus, and fast Jirachi with Iron Head all being close behind. Fighting-types such as Terrakion and Fighting Arceus, as well as faster Dragon-types such as Palkia, Latias and, Latios, Garchomp, and Salamence can also revenge kill Kyurem-B with ease. If Lugia is using a lot of Speed EVs as well as Reflect, it can stall out Kyurem-B. Incidentally, many of these counters to Kyurem-B are excellent teammates to it. The aforementioned bulky Steel-types can switch into Dragon-type attacks while Lugia and Latias defeat most Fighting-types. Groudon and the Giratina formes are generally good physical walls to take on Terrakion. Paralysis support from Thunder Wave Grass Arceus, Kyogre, Groudon, and Darkrai will also go a long way to help Kyurem-B sweep, while using Wobbuffet to remove revenge killers is another good idea. Also, Lugia is generally entry hazard fodder for Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Skarmory.</p>
[SET]
name: Hone Claws (Sparkling Blue Black Kyurem)
move 1: Hone Claws
move 2: Outrage
move 3: Fusion Bolt
move 4: Blizzard
item: Life Orb
nature: Lonely / Hasty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set may seem gimmicky at first, but Kyurem-B's sky-high Attack and Ice typing make it a very powerful wallbreaker in the Ubers metagame. After a boost from Hone Claws, Kyurem-B's Outrage destroys virtually everything, even resists. For example, even with Leech Seed and Protect, standard Ferrothorn will be hard-pressed to take repeated +1 Outrages from Kyurem-B, as it takes 57.67% - 67.90% from the move. Fusion Bolt has excellent coverage alongside Outrage, as it swats aside Skarmory and Lugia without much trouble. The last move is what really sets Kyurem-B apart from other Attack boosters such as Zekrom&mdash;STAB Blizzard easily OHKOs physical walls such as Groudon and Gliscor, Pokemon that plague many physical attackers. Although Blizzard's accuracy is subpar under normal conditions, a single Hone Claws accuracy boost raises it to a much more usable 93%.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Kyurem-B has a couple of other options. Roost is an option to keep Kyurem-B relatively healthy, especially with all the residual damage that it tends to take. However, access to STAB Blizzard is generally what sets it apart from other boosting Dragon-types such as Zekrom and Rayquaza. Ice Beam is another option if you find Blizzard too unreliable and find it hard to get a Hone Claws boost, but it fails to OHKO Groudon or do enough damage to Ground Arceus. The nature of choice can be important to Kyurem-B performance. A Lonely nature is preferred due to the power provided, which contributes to notable 2HKOes such as the one on Ferrothorn just noted. Since most of Kyurem-B's resistances are specially attacking types, a Defense-lowering nature is preferable to one that lowers Special Defense.</p>

<p>Being a powerful wallbreaker, Kyurem-B appreciates two types of teammates: sweepers that can take advantage of damaged walls and Pokemon that can help Kyurem-B overcome its weaknesses. Kingdra is a very notable sweeper that appreciates Ferrothorn being severely weakened as well as Groudon removed. Other sweepers such as Excadrill, Double Dance Groudon, Dragon Dance Rayquaza, Terrakion, ExtremeKiller Arceus and many others all appreciate physical walls such as Groudon, Gliscor, and Lugia lured out and destroyed.</p>

<p>Being an Ice-type, Kyurem-B is unfortunately weak to Stealth Rock, and has nothing to save it from Spikes. Naturally, this means that Rapid Spin users would be ideal teammates for Kyurem-B. Tentacruel is an excellent long-lasting Rapid Spin user in Ubers, and can switch into Fighting-type attacks aimed at Kyurem-B. Excadrill also works brilliantly in most weather conditions, and can switch into Kyurem-B's Rock- and Dragon-type weaknesses. Forretress resists Dragon-type attacks and can also set up its own entry hazards, making Kyurem-B much harder to wall. Kabutops is also an excellent offensive Rapid Spinner that can take advantage of Kyurem-B's wallbreaking ability.</p>

<p>Physically defensive Forretress with Gyro Ball is probably the best counter to Kyurem-B, with defensive Scizor, Steel Arceus, and fast Jirachi with Iron Head all being close behind. Fighting-types such as Terrakion and Fighting Arceus, as well as faster Dragon-types such as Palkia, Latias, Latios, Garchomp, and Salamence can also revenge kill Kyurem-B with ease. If Lugia is using a lot of Speed EVs as well as Reflect, it can stall out Kyurem-B. Incidentally, many of these counters to Kyurem-B are excellent teammates to it. The aforementioned bulky Steel-types can switch into Dragon-type attacks while Lugia and Latias defeat most Fighting-types. Groudon and the Giratina formes are generally good physical walls to take on Terrakion. Paralysis support from Thunder Wave Grass Arceus, Kyogre, Groudon, and Darkrai will also go a long way to help Kyurem-B sweep, while using Wobbuffet to remove revenge killers is another good idea. Also, Lugia is generally entry hazard fodder for Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Skarmory.</p>


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I love it when people give me GP checks with C/P variants, love you complete legitimacy.

Anyway, GP check has been implemented, and this is done!
 
#15
[SET]
name: Hone Claws (Sparkling Blue Black Kyurem)
move 1: Hone Claws
move 2: Outrage
move 3: Fusion Bolt
move 4: Blizzard
item: Life Orb
nature: Lonely / Hasty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set may seem gimmicky at first, but Kyurem-B's sky-high Attack and Ice typing make it a very powerful wallbreaker in the Ubers metagame. After a boost from Hone Claws, Kyurem-B's Outrage destroys virtually everything, even resists. For example, even with Leech Seed and Protect, standard Ferrothorn will be hard-pressed to take repeated +1 Outrages from Kyurem-B, as it takes 57.67% - 67.90% from the move. Fusion Bolt has excellent coverage alongside Outrage, as it swats aside Skarmory and Lugia without much trouble. The last move is what really sets Kyurem-B apart from other Attack boosters such as Zekrom&mdash;STAB Blizzard easily OHKOs physical walls such as Groudon and Gliscor, Pokemon that plague many physical attackers. Although Blizzard's accuracy is subpar under normal conditions, a single Hone Claws accuracy boost raises it to a much more usable 93%.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Kyurem-B has a couple of other options. Roost is an option to keep Kyurem-B relatively healthy, especially with all the residual damage that it tends to take. However, access to STAB Blizzard is generally what sets it apart from other boosting Dragon-types, (comma) such as Zekrom and Rayquaza. Ice Beam is another option if you find Blizzard too unreliable and find it hard to get a Hone Claws boost, but it fails to OHKO Groudon or do enough damage to Ground Arceus. The nature of choice can be important to Kyurem-B performance. A Lonely nature is preferred due to the power provided, which contributes to notable 2HKOes such as the one on Ferrothorn just noted. Since most of Kyurem-B's resistances are specially based attacking types, a Defense-lowering nature is preferable to one that lowers Special Defense.</p>

<p>Being a powerful wallbreaker, Kyurem-B appreciates two types of teammates: sweepers that can take advantage of damaged walls, (comma) and Pokemon that can help Kyurem-B overcome its weaknesses. Kingdra is a very notable sweeper that appreciates Ferrothorn being severely weakened, (comma) as well as Groudon being removed. Other sweepers such as Excadrill, Double Dance Groudon, Dragon Dance Rayquaza, Terrakion, Extreme (space) Killer Arceus, (comma) and many others all appreciate physical walls such as Groudon, Gliscor, and Lugia lured out and destroyed.</p>

<p>Being an Ice-type, Kyurem-B is unfortunately weak to Stealth Rock, and has nothing to save it from Spikes. Naturally, this means that Rapid Spin users would bare ideal teammates for Kyurem-B. Tentacruel is an excellent,(comma) long-lasting Rapid Spin user in Ubers, and can switch into Fighting-type attacks aimed at Kyurem-B. Excadrill also works brilliantly in most weather conditions, and can switch into Kyurem-B's Rock- and Dragon-type weaknesses. Forretress resists Dragon-type attacks and can also set up its own entry hazards, making Kyurem-B much harder to wall. Kabutops is also an excellent offensive Rapid Spinner that can take advantage of Kyurem-B's wallbreaking ability.</p>

<p>Physically defensive Forretress with Gyro Ball is probably the best counter to Kyurem-B, with defensive Scizor, Steel Arceus, and fast Jirachi with Iron Head all being close behind. Fighting-types,(comma) such as Terrakion and Fighting Arceus, as well as faster Dragon-types,(comma) such as Palkia, Latias, Latios, Garchomp, and Salamence can also revenge kill Kyurem-B with ease. If Lugia is using a lot of Speed EVs as well as Reflect, it can stall out Kyurem-B thanks to Roost's secondary effect. Incidentally, many of these counters to Kyurem-B are excellent teammates tofor it. The aforementioned bulky Steel-types can switch into Dragon-type attacks, (comma) while Lugia and Latias defeat most Fighting-types. Groudon and the Giratina formes are generally good physical walls to take on Terrakion. Paralysis support from Thunder Wave Grass Arceus, Kyogre, Groudon, and Darkrai will also go a long way to help Kyurem-B sweep, while using Wobbuffet to remove revenge killers is another good idea. Also, Lugia is generally entry hazard fodder for Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Skarmory.</p>

One last quick GP check :/ Noticed some errors in here so yeah.