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Kyurem-W (Analysis - GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by shrang, Jul 8, 2012.

  1. shrang

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    Its name, is Recoome, it rhymes, with doom, and you're going to be hurtin'. ALL. TOO. SOON!

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    http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/646.shtml

    Note: I really want a badass overview for this thing. I don't mind if you scrap mine because "urine may be a bit inappropriate", but just make sure you write me a more badass one.

    [Overview]

    <p>Once upon a time, there lived a sad third brother named Kyurem. Day and night, it would be humiliated by its brothers Reshiram and Zekrom, the rest of the dragon tribe of the OU metagame, and millions of Pokemon trainers around the globe. The abuse was so horrific that the poor thing descended into UU, the land of mediocre Arcanine and Milotic. It prayed to Arceus, asking for respite from its constant torment. With the release of Black and White 2, the God of Pokemon answered its prayer. While the poor third brother remains neglected, it has gained a new forme with the most overpowering and spammable attacking stats ever. With base 170 Special Attack, it can now abuse the most powerful Draco Meteor in the game, while its Ice-type STAB, which used to be the butt of many jokes, can smite the many walls in the Uber tier that are weak to Ice. It does have its downsides, however. Kyurem-W is quite poor defensively with its Ice typing, since it is weak to all forms of entry hazards, while being rather lacking in the resistances department. This doesn't detract from its awesome attacking stats all that much, though. The ugly duckling of the Tao Trio has not returned as a beautiful swan, but as the sacker of cities and destroyer of worlds. The Pokemon world can now tremble in utter terror; because its name is White Kyurem, it rhymes with endurin', which is what its victims can't do as it skewers 'em!</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Ice Beam
    move 3: Focus Blast
    move 4: Fusion Flare / Earth Power
    item: Choice Specs
    ability: Turboblaze
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With Base 170 Special Attack and two of the best STABs in the tier, it should not take a genius to figure out that Kyurem-W can run a Choice Specs set. With Specs attached, Kyurem-W reaches a sky-high 723 Special Attack (assuming a Modest nature), which means that it can obliterate virtually anything that switches in provided it picks the correct move. Kyurem-W's Draco Meteor is so powerful that it has around an 80% chance to OHKO 252 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre after Stealth Rock. It is even punching sizable holes into Blissey and bulky resists. For example, Blissey takes an average of 45% from a Modest Choice Specs Draco Meteor, while standard Stallbreaker Heatran takes an average of 41% from the same attack. STAB Ice Beam is Kyurem-W's other main attraction. Even though it may seem redundant with Kyurem-W's Dragon STAB, Ice Beam hits more key threats than it may appear. It easily OHKOs Lugia, with Turboblaze negating Multiscale, while 2HKOing Ferrothorn and Ho-Oh without factoring in entry hazards. The last two moves brush up Kyurem-W's coverage, allowing it to hit everything that can take its STAB attacks. As inaccurate as Focus Blast is, it allows Kyurem-W to OHKO Tyranitar, Heatran (assuming Stealth Rock), and Steel Arceus, as well as 2HKOing Blissey after Stealth Rock damage, assuming a Modest nature. The last move allows Kyurem-W to hit whatever is left, and depends on what weather you are running. Fusion Flare is best used if Kyurem-W can get sun support, as it OHKOes Jirachi and Bronzong in the sun, as well as OHKOing Steel Arceus without having to resort to Focus Blast. Earth Power, on the other hand, is a better general move to use if you are not using a sun team to reliably 2HKO Jirachi, Bronzong, and Steel Arceus.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs used are as simple as they can get. Max Special Attack and Speed give Kyurem-W maximum offensive potential. The nature can be quite a hard decision to make, however. A Modest nature is preferred due to the sheer number OHKOs that it brings. With a Modest nature, Kyurem-W has a high chance to OHKO defensive Dialga and Kyogre with Draco Meteor, as well as 2HKO Blissey with Stealth Rock damage only. However, a Timid nature allows Kyurem-W to outrun the growing number of base 90 Speed Ubers that are running a positive Speed nature of their own, as well as speed tie with Rayquaza, which in itself is huge.</p>

    <p>While hail is a rather difficult weather condition to keep up in Ubers, Blizzard is an excellent option on Kyurem-W if you do manage to keep it up. Choice Specs Blizzard is so powerful that it can 2HKO Choice Scarf Kyogre, assuming it hits both times. It also makes using Chansey to defend against Kyurem-W a lot harder, as it gets whittled down pretty easily with Hail and entry hazards.</p>

    <p>One of Kyurem-W's biggest weaknesses is that it is extremely weak to entry hazards, especially to Stealth Rock. For this reason, Rapid Spinners and Magic Bounce is very helpful to Kyurem-W's success. Tentacruel and Forretress are excellent defensive Rapid Spinners to use alongside Kyurem-W. Tentacruel has excellent special bulk and extra healing from the omnipresent rain, while Forretress synergises extremely well with Kyurem-W. If you're after a more offensive Rapid Spinner, Excadrill and Kabutops are both good options. Xatu, and to a certain extent, Espeon, can also help to keep entry hazards off the field.</p>

    <p>Chansey is the only Pokemon that can avoid getting 2HKOed by any of Kyurem-W's attacks. Strong physical attackers are able to force her out and set up on her. Other than Chansey, Specially Defensive Jirachi and Bronzong are decent switch-ins, as they only fear Fusion Flare in the sun or Earth Power, although unlike Jirachi, Bronzong lacks recovery and will get whittled down quickly. Steel Arceus functions similarly, although on top of Fusion Flare and Earth Power, it also fears Focus Blast. Ho-Oh and Reshiram love switching into the aforementioned Steel-types if you favour sunny weather. If your team is more rain-inclined, then Kyogre and other Water-types are good for drowning Jirachi and Steel Arceus, while Excadrill, Garchomp and Landorus make their lives difficult in the sand. Due to Kyurem-W's middling Speed, faster Dragon-types, Arceus with super effective STAB moves, and Terrakion can all revenge kill Kyurem-W fairly easily. The Giratina formes, Groudon, Landorus-T, and Gliscor are all good checks to Terrakion. Latias, Ho-Oh, and Mewtwo can easily take down Fighting Arceus. As for Dragon-types, a Steel Arceus of your own does well most of the time, while Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress can switch into many Dragon-type attacks and set up entry hazards.</p>


    [SET]
    name: Burning Red White Kyurem (Choice-less)
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Ice Beam
    move 3: Focus Blast / Fusion Flare / Earth Power
    move 4: Roost / Substitute / Focus Blast
    item: Life Orb / Haban Berry / Leftovers
    ability: Turboblaze
    nature: Timid / Modest
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While the mind-blowing power of Choice Specs may be extremely tempting, Kyurem-W can tone down the firepower in exchange for the freedom to switch attacks. Draco Meteor and Ice Beam are still Kyurem-W's two STAB moves that maim virtually everything that do not resist them. The last two slots are where things get interesting. Basically, Kyurem-W has two slots to make best use of five potential moves. Focus Blast and Roost are the most preferred since the former gives the widest coverage (despite its horrible accuracy), while the latter lets Kyurem-W recover off its numerous sources of residual damage. Fusion Flare and Earth Power provide more specific coverage in the third slot against Jirachi and Bronzong in the sun and the rain, respectively. In the final slot, Substitute is also an option for Kyurem-W to ease prediction as well as avoid being revenge killed. Alternatively, you can run a fourth coverage move.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Kyurem-W has the ability to run a SubRoost set, but is generally lacking in coverage against key threats, such as Tyranitar and Steel Arceus if he does, especially when the use of Substitute favors the use of Leftovers. While Draco Meteor and Ice Beam give very good coverage, Kyurem-W really likes an additional coverage move. As for other moves that Kyurem-W can use, Outrage is a decent option. It is a common strategy for players to send Kyogre into Kyurem-W after it gets a Special Attack drop from Draco Meteor, and Outrage allows Kyurem-W to 2HKO max HP Kyogre, as well as 2HKOing Chansey after Stealth Rock damage.</p>

    <p>Life Orb is the preferred item on Kyurem-W simply because of the power that it brings. However, Haban Berry can be used to bluff a Choice set, while luring in Dragon-typed revenge killers such as Palkia, surviving the incoming Dragon-typed attack and KOing another Pokemon at the same time. Leftovers works well with Substitute, as it gives Kyurem-W passive recovery that really helps its already flailing durability. The EVs are once again, max Special Attack and max Speed for maximum offensive prowess. A Timid nature is preferred this time, since most of the OHKOs that a Modest nature provided required the use of Choice Specs. Since Choice Specs is not used any more, a Timid nature is preferred so Kyurem-W is able to outspeed all the Ubers with base 90 Speed, as well as speed tie with Rayquaza.</p>

    <p>In terms of team options, they are very similar to those on the Specs set. Tentacruel, Forretress, Kabutops, and Excadrill are excellent Rapid Spinners for clearing away entry hazards that limit Kyurem-W's durability. Xatu and Espeon can help keep entry hazards off to a certain extent as well. In terms of Pokemon that Kyurem-W has trouble with, strong physical attackers can be used to set up on Chansey. Strong Fire-types such as Ho-Oh and Reshiram, strong Water-types such as Kyogre, Palkia and Swift Swimmers, and many sand sweepers such as Excadrill and Garchomp make Jirachi and Steel Arceus's lives miserable in Kyurem-W's favor. The Giratina formes, Groudon, Lugia, and Gliscor are all good counters to Terrakion, while a Steel Arceus of your own can take on most of the Dragon-types that run around in the Uber tier.</p>


    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Ice Beam
    move 3: Focus Blast / Fusion Flare / Earth Power
    move 4: Outrage / Focus Blast / Sleep Talk
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Turboblaze
    nature: Hasty / Timid
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Kyurem-W's overpowering base 170 Special Attack and usable base 95 base Speed make it a decent Choice Scarf user, despite its weakness to Stealth Rock. It can easily OHKO Darkrai with Draco Meteor or even Ice Beam if Darkrai has taken some prior damage, while easily doing over 60% to +1 Mewtwo, limiting its sweep. It is also an excellent Pokemon to stick on a sun team to take out troublesome Ground Arceus, on a rain team to deal with Grass Arceus, or on a sand team to crush Gliscor. Furthermore, while its 95 base Speed in only allows Kyurem-W to speed tie with Dragon Dance Rayquaza at best, it still outspeeds some of the common Uber scarfers that only have base 90 Speed, most notably Kyogre and Zekrom. If its counters are eliminated, Kyurem-W can easily clean up late-game by spamming Ice Beam from 439 Special Attack. Like all of its other sets, Draco Meteor and Ice Beam are pretty much essential; the other two movesets are pretty much up to your tastes. Focus Blast is the preferred third move due to its overall coverage, but Fusion Flare and Earth Power can be used to take out Jirachi and Steel Arceus in sun and rain, respectively. Outrage is the preferred last option, since Kyurem-W cannot OHKO Latias with a Calm Mind up without it. It may also allow Kyurem-W to 2HKO Blissey switch-ins, as well as Kyogre variants that don't run a lot of bulk. However, Focus Blast can be used with Fusion Flare or Earth Power for maximum coverage, while Sleep Talk can allow Kyurem-W to operate as an effective sleep absorber against Darkrai.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Like the Choice Specs set, Blizzard can be used over Ice Beam if you have hail support, but is generally not advised due to how difficult it is to keep Hail up in Ubers. A Hasty or Timid nature, along with max Speed investment allow Kyurem-W to outspeed as many threats as possible, as well as speed tie with Dragon Dance Rayquaza at worst.</p>

    <p>Choice Scarf Kyurem-W's teammates are pretty much the same as for all the other sets. Rapid Spin helps Kyurem-W go a long way. Tentacruel, Forretress, Excadrill, and Kabutops are good Rapid Spinners in Ubers. Ho-Oh, Reshiram, Kyogre, Excadrill, Garchomp, and Ground Arceus are all good at taking on Jirachi and Steel Arceus, while bulky Steel-types are helpful for taking on faster Dragon-types such as Choice Scarf Palkia that try to revenge kill Kyurem-W. Strong physical attackers such as Groudon, Excadrill, Terrakion, and ExtremeKiller Arceus are fine at setting up on Blissey and Chansey.</p>


    [Other Options]
    <p>Kyurem-W's movepool is surprisingly shallow for such a ridiculously powerful Pokemon. The most obvious move is Dragon Pulse, which can be used over Ice Beam for a reliable STAB move. The main problem is that between Draco Meteor and Ice Beam, you will hardly ever need Dragon Pulse. The super effective coverage granted from STAB Ice Beam is partly why Kyurem-W is so threatening, turning would-be counters such as Lugia into tissue paper in front of a cannon. Icy Wind can be a fun gimmick to slow down your opponent so you can take them out next turn, but should not be used as a serious option. Unlike its brother Kyurem-B, Kyurem-W has access to strong Ice-type STAB attack that works off its higher offensive stat, which makes its signature move, Ice Burn, redundant. Endeavor can be used if you ever get Kyurem-W down to 1 HP, but is a gimmick at best.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>If your team lacks a Pokemon called Chansey, good luck trying to counter Kyurem-W, since she is the only Pokemon that isn't 2HKOed by any of Kyurem-W's attacks; although with Stealth Rock and a bit of prior damage, even she falls. In the same vein, Blissey can take most of Kyurem-W's attacks, but risks getting 2HKOed by Modest Choice Specs Focus Blast after Stealth Rock damage. Rock Arceus in sandstorm is not a bad switch-in, although it gets 2HKOed by Focus Blast and cannot OHKO in return. If you can avoid switching into sun-boosted Fusion Flare or Earth Power, Specially Defensive Jirachi can sponge attacks from Kyurem-W, paralyze it with Body Slam and take it out with Iron Head, all the while recovering its health with Wish. Steel Arceus is in a similar position, although it finds itself OHKOed by Choice Specs Focus Blast. Bronzong and Heatran work similarly to Jirachi, although their lack of recovery means they get whittled down relatively quickly. Ho-oh with a lot of Special Defense investment can take hits from Kyurem-W fairly well if Stealth Rock is kept off the field, while using Recover and Regenerator to quickly recover its health.</p>

    <p>Apart from that, taking on Kyurem-W generally comes down to prediction, as well as revenge killing. Getting Stealth Rock up early will limit the amount of times that Kyurem-W can switch in and wreck havoc. Dialga is an excellent Stealth Rock user, as most Pokemon that try to stop it will end up getting destroyed. Deoxys-S is great for getting Stealth Rock up quickly. Groudon, Ferrothorn, and Forretress are good, bulky options to get Stealth Rock up as well. In terms of revenge killers, anything faster than Kyurem-W that possesses a strong super effective move should do the trick. Palkia, Salamence, Terrakion, Garchomp, Mewtwo, Arceus formes, Latias, and Latios can all take down Kyurem-W easily, although those without a Choice Scarf will need to watch out for Choice Scarf variants. Excadrill in sand can outspeed and OHKO Kyurem-W with Iron Head, Kingdra and Kabutops in the rain can do a similar job. Scizor can also strip off copious amounts of health from Kyurem-W with Bullet Punch, should you be able to switch it in safely.</p>
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    Honetly, I think Sub should be in front of Roost for the 2nd set. Kyruem-W forces so much switches, though hazards and maybe LO recoil will kill it off. Also, you don;t need the ability, since its the only one it gets lol
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    Kyurem-W doesn't learn Glaciate (it learns Icy Wind though). You should put a comment on Ice Burn's (lack of) uses instead of it.
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    QC APPROVED 1/3

    Kyurem-W is pretty straight forward, it hits hard and uses pretty much the same moves on every set.
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    Thanks for the approval trickroom.

    Yeah, I'm a bit hesitant on making Substitute the first option because of just that, and Leftovers really takes away from Kyurem-W oomph factor.

    Noted.
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    Thanks for the check Poppy.

    Boo Fatecrashers for removing my Molk references.
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    No it isn't.


    Turboblaze takes care of that.
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    I don't want to sound negative, but aren't you supposed to include both the pros and the cons of a poke in the overview?

    So shouldn't you mention that Kyurem-W is SR weak, and can still be outsped by very popular mons in Ubers without a Scarf, such as Lati@s, Palkia, Terrakion, Mewtwo and Arceus?
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    Those points are actually mentioned in the skeleton. Kyurem-W's greatest weakness is that it's easily revenge killed, which has been pointed out.

    The SR weakness as well as its vulnerability to residual damage in general has been mentioned as well.
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    love you shrang.

    ps: mention revenging groundceus on scarf because that's pretty cool for sun teams

    except kyurem could personally beat up zek and resh one on one if it wanted to xD

    wonderful intro; would read again

    edit: yeah mention some flaws in the intro.

    3/3
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    Yeah but according to the guideline of the formatting of analyses, the overview of a poke must include both positives and negatives, and shrang's overview only has benefits, making it seem as it doesn't have negatives.
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    Steel Arceus in C&C too. It's a hundred times better than Jirachi.
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    Thanks for the check, Jibaku. I'll get this done soon-ish.

    All your concerns has been implemented (flaws in overview, Bronzong, Steel Arceus, revenging Ground Arceus).
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    Give Stone Edge a mention somewhere on Life Orb, its nice because Ho-Oh likes to come in after Draco Meteor, and Stone Edge can get you a surprise kill. Its also pretty decent filler on Scarf White Kyurem.

    While I haven't tested Outrage White Kyurem outside of Trick Room teams yet, I'm not 100% sure Outrage should be in other options, I think it should AT LEAST be tested on an LO set. Sure, the Pokemon you'd want to hit with Outrage the most, Chansey, will usually have a steel type waiting in the wings, but White Kyurem is usually forced to switch out after a Draco Meteor, a surprise Outrage with only a neutral nature and 4 atk evs will do things like 2HKO CM Kyogre (assuming it isn't one of those bold ones) and Ho-Oh. Also, Draco Meteor + Outrage will actually almost always 2HKO specially defensive Dialga, and can beat Impish Ho-oh with a bit of residual damage since Draco Meteor + Outrage does 96% min, which is pretty nice!

    As for teammates, you should mention twave support more, ESPECIALLY Thunder Wave Kyogre. Kyogre often paralyzes Palkia and Latias, which is great news since those two often revenge White Kyurem.
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    Haban berry needs a mention on the life orb set. The usual bluffing scarf nonsense works great, and it has the bulk to take even meteors and outrages from decent health and grab another KO.
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    Oh yeah I totally forgot about haban, that needs to be in the LO set somewhere, maybe changing the sets name to something more general like "non choiced attacker" or something.
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    your overview has got to be taking the piss -_-

    Kyurem-W, the vaunted combination of the third member of the Tao Trio and its fiery big brother Reshiram, arrives with a draconian aura and a frosty demeanour. It boasts an incredible 170 base Special Attack, high even by Ubers standards, that gives it the strongest Draco Meteor in the game. Secondary Ice STAB allows it crush the common Ubers walls; Groudon, Lugia, and the Giratina Formes all fall before the genetically engineered beast. However, amazing offensive typing comes at the cost of a nasty vulnerability to all forms of entry hazard, and few resistances. Let this not distract one from Kyurem-W's awesome power, as even the pink blobs can be 2hko'd with an un-STABed Focus Blast with only a little bit of residual damage. This genetically engineered ice dragon is one of the most powerful Pokemon to ever be released, and should be feared whenever it enters the battlefield.
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    I like shrang's better to be honest, especially the "land of arcanines and milotics", and "sacker of cities and destroyer of worlds", despite the really awkward ending part which could use some fix. SORRY D:

    Also Poopy that sig is creepy
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    u_u maybe i wasn't destined for flavour~

    edit: i'm fine with whatever goes on site just take out some of the ridiculous lexicon. how is anything supposed to be badass when it has urine in it
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    christ think of it, they say regular kyurem's blizzard's hit like nuclear bombs in hail, imagine what kyurem-w will do........
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    A few notes:

    Earth Power could be used in the Life Orb/Roost set on the third slot to 2HKO Jirachi in rain. It's still powerful enough to 2HKO Forretress, and Ferrothorn is still 2hkoed by Ice Beam.

    Modest Specs Focus Blast does 51% min to max/max+ Bronzong so that too.

    Also a better version of the sprite would be nice xD
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    Why no Ice Burn? It's sheer power and the excellency of Ice attacks in Ubers should be good enough of a reason for it; same for Freeze Shock on Kyurem-B.
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    @ColdEye

    Because Ice Beam does more damage in two turns and doesn't require a chargeup, making it so much more spammable without the enormous risk involved.

    Kyurem-B uses Freeze Shock because it has no access to any other physical Ice move.
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    Some Pokemon use both Draco Meteor and Dragon Pulse for this very reason, why not use Ice Burn/Daco Meteor/Ice Beam/Fusion Flare? Kyurem gets perfect coevarge anyway.

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