Rotom-W + Latios
Gengar + Rotom-W
DD Gyarados + something to deal with its checks (btw DD Gyarados destroyes the team that kd24 has posted)
So i want to see some clever thinking and some effort to deal with the threat called Landorus, and after this happens we can see if he deserves to be a suspect or not. I think that everyone getting crazy about how good U-turn Landorus is and how effectively it beats some counters to the Rock Polish set, after just a few days it was used effectively on the ladder, speaks volumes of what i want to say. Some people are too hasty to suspect something without even trying to find other ways of dealing with it instead of their cookie-cutter 2-3 ways that work in the teams they usually make and they like to make. Adapt to a threat before suspecting it, and if adaption doesn't work, THEN hunt down the culprit.
Do you want me to link your post in which you're saying that SDef Skarmory, Royom-W, Latios etc counter Landorus? Who are you for asking this lol? I find this really funny to see you ask that, but whatever.
How isn't Latios a Pursuit bait knowing it's OHKO'd by it? Tyranitar is one of its best counters and it has Pursuit but Latios isn't a Pursuit bait, sure You're assuming that Latios kills something before getting trapped, did you think about ScarfTyranitar or Support Tyranitar? I don't think so.
Traditionally, a counter is a Pokemon is exactly what I have described. Maybe this may have been changing lately, but a counter is a Pokemon that can switch into the target and defeat it 100% of the time (or close enough that the difference is insignificant), assuming 1v1, and both are at either full health with standard battle conditions (SR) and favourable weather conditions for the aggressor. I guess you could differentiate counters, that a hard counter is one that can come in repeatedly and cockblock the target every single time. Weavile is a check. Latios is a counter. Chansey is a hard counter.
This part is true, the rest is wrong. Who cares about 1v1 when it almost never happens during the battle? Mamoswine beats Landorus 1v1, is it a counter? Not at all. Latios is absolutely not a counter but a check, it is 2HKO'd whether by HP Ice or by U-Turn how can we call it a counter? Landorus-I has the right to switch hasn't it? You will obviously answer "HEY OJAMA LATIAS CAN USE RECOVER". Firstly, HP Ice does 61-72% which means it does 73-84% with Stealth Rock support. Recover only restaures 50% of Latios' health which means it loses like 20% of its health after HP Ice. Let's say it has 80% after using Recover. Next time it will come in against Landorus-I, HP Ice will kill it and Landorus-I will have only lost 20% due to LO recoil. This is not a great counter isn't it. In addition, I can send my Tyranitar when you're using Recover which means you're trapped, cya Latios. I hope I've finally convinced you that Latios isn't a counter but a
check to Landorus-I. But since Landorus-I is extremely hard to counter, maybe you guys are thinking that checks are counters =p
As i said, the pokemon can not switch in directly. What you can do however, is sack heatran. If the landorus attempts to set up, flamethrower will do a lot of damage. If landorus kills it, you can switch in something like vaporeon. Yes your oppoment can switch out. The point is that then, landorus is forced out and cannot sweep. I Would also like to point out that not all of the pokemon are stallers. There are offensive politoeds, rotom-w, celebi, etc. the oppoment is likely to be carrying at least one if the pokemon mentioned in the list. Rotom-w, politoed, scizor are all very common. Also, please don't try to say that landorus can get by pokemon like celebi with u-turn as the move is rarely, if ever seen on landorus, unless it is a physical set. Finally, I would like to point out that focus blast only has a 49% chance of hitting twice. This means that you are essentially relying on a move like zap cannon to knock out a rotom-w.
Ah because losing Heatran is absolutely not a problem? So since Landorus-I isn't able to decimate your whole Team without switching out, it's not an issue? Hey come on, you only have 6 Pokémons, are you going to sac 1 Pokémon each time Landorus-I will come in before sending in your fantastic counter known as Vaporeon? For your information, Offensive Politoed is OHKO'd after Stealth Rock by Earth Power AND, only ScarfPolitoed outruns it and forces it to switch out. Rotom-W is either 2HKO'd or OHKO'd by Focus Blast and as I said it before, Celebi is wrecked by U-Turn and 3HKO'd by HP Ice. As I said it for Latios, when you're using Recover, I can send in Tyranitar and trap you.
And you're always forced to use Recover with Celebi after getting hit by HP Ice because if you use U-Turn then you will be 2HKO'd by HP Ice (especially if Stealth Rock is up). Won't even comment the "49% chance of hitting Focus Blast" because it's a bit ridiculous to rely on luck to beat Landorus-I.
However, this does not equate to Landorus getting a free sweep. Many things could happen between Latios getting Pursuited and you getting that sweep which could prevent the sweep from happening at all. You're acting like Latios dies, the game is finished, Landorus has free rein. It doesn't. Therefore, getting rid of Latios via an external method doesn't help the case at all. Easiest case is you send in Tyranitar, Pursuit the Latios, then in comes an opposing SubSD Terrakion and wrecks your ass. If you're going to bring team support into the equation, then I may as well bring team support for Latios too. This is why talking about team support just complicates matters.
EDIT: I guess I could also address your "Pursuit Latios, it's gone, but Landorus can keep coming back". I won't contest that because it's true, but if I sack my Heatran or something like that your Landorus, I'm saccing it for a good reason. If I make a team where 3 or 4 Pokemon utterly lose to Landorus and risk it setting up on, then I've made a bad team. If I sac Heatran, the most likely reason is that I can make up for that loss later, not as a last ditch attempt to stop Landorus from setting up. You can kill Heatran and get a 1-0 advantage, but you're unlikely to kill anything else with Landorus, or set up on anything else later in the match.
Well while it's true that after Pursuiting Latios you can set up for example a SubSDTerrakion, I think we're theorymoning way too much. I can easily answer "but I have a Scizor!" or another check/counter to Terrakion. Let's stay focused on Landorus-I. As HackerKing said it, Pokemon is and will always be a game about Team support. This is probably why we create
cores? Landorus-I is broken itself but it's even better when paired with Tyranitar or EBelt Keldeo for example. We can't ignore the fact that Tyranitar
traps most of Landorus-I checks/counters which means they
can't switch and get killed, letting Landorus-I a free sweep. We aren't relying on lures or teammates that weaken counters but on something that prevent them from switching and kill them.