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Latios (Analysis) [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Jibaku, Sep 20, 2011.

  1. Jibaku

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    Hopefully this is a bit straightforward :p

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    Latios
    [OVERVIEW]
    <p>Looking for a fast and powerful Dragon-type Pokemon to use in VGC 2012? Well search no further, as Latios is just that...and more! Boasting a sky-high base 130 Special Attack and a supersonic base 110 Speed, combined with its fantastic Dragon-type STAB and fair coverage, Latios will very often leave an agonizing scar on its victims. Furthermore, Latios' moderate overall bulk, coupled with its fantastic resistances to Fire-, Fighting-, Grass-, Psychic-, Electric-, and Water-type attacks, along with its immunity to Ground-type attacks due to Levitate, grant it a decent degree of survivability and allowing it to continue its rampage.</p>

    <p>However, Latios does suffer from several drawbacks. It has a somewhat wide list of weaknesses, which, when combined with Latios' subpar physical bulk, means it is in constant danger of being dispatched. As a result, Latios heavily relies on its Speed to take out many threats, which can be somewhat of a liability as many common battle conditions in VGC 2012 can alter turn orders. Despite these setbacks, the aforementioned positives are more than enough to secure Latios' place as one of the most devastating special attackers in this metagame.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Special Sweeper
    move 1: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
    move 2: Thunderbolt / Psyshock / Surf
    move 3: Hidden Power Ground / Hidden Power Fire / Tailwind
    move 4: Protect
    item: Life Orb / Dragon Gem
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 4 Def / 248 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This may be Latios' only featured set in this analysis, but there is no denying that it draws much of its destructiveness from this set alone. Although Latios is a very one-sided Pokemon in this metagame, it performs that one role exceptionally well that predictability is almost never an issue!</p>

    <p>Latios' primary offensive potential comes from its powerful Dragon-type STAB attacks. Draco Meteor is the very portrait of such strength, capable of OHKOing or severely injuring most Pokemon, especially if they lack resistance to it. For instance, Life Orb Draco Meteor has a very good chance of OHKOing Max HP Rotom-W! However, the harsh Special Attack reduction after it is used can leave Latios quite vulnerable, and thus should be used sparingly. Another option would be Dragon Pulse, which does not have a drawback and can be thrown around more safely, but is nowhere as powerful as Draco Meteor. </p>

    <p>The remainder of Latios' moveslots focus on coverage. Thunderbolt hits Gyarados, Politoed, and Togekiss super effectively and does a fair amount of damage to Scizor, while Psyshock grants Latios an alternative STAB that lets it beat down Fighting types (bar Scrafty), Amoonguss, and can dent Snorlax and Specially Defensive Gastrodon. Surf can take advantage of the omnipresent rain in this metagame and deal major damage. However, Latios' common partners don't enjoy Surf so use with care. Hidden Power Ground dents Metagross, Excadrill, and may OHKO Heatran. Hidden Power Fire has even greater coverage, as it hits Metagross, Excadrill, Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Abomasnow for super-effective damage, but can be weakened by Rain and leaves Latios hanging with 30 Speed IVs, making it vulnerable against opposing base 110ers. If coverage isn't a big issue, Tailwind is an alternative over the Hidden Powers. Latios' raw power ensures that it can easily make use of the Tailwind it set up, and its high base Speed allows it to outrun virtually every Speedy weather abuser, with the exception of the rare Jumpluff (whom Latios speedties with), and the even rarer Floatzel. </p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>Latios has two very notable item choices. Life Orb grants Latios a consistent power boost, but causes it to suffer from recoil. On the other hand, Dragon Gem is a viable alternative to boost Latios' Dragon-type attack further. For instance, a Dragon Gem boosted Draco Meteor can OHKO the standard Reuniclus. However, it is consumed after one use and does not power up the rest of Latios' attacks, and Latios may find itself unable to 2HKO Metagross with Hidden Power Ground as a result.</p>

    <p>The EVs maximize Speed and Special Attack under the assumption HP Ground is used. The rest maximize the usage of the few EVs left [Kind of awkward, but I'll accept it]. If, for some reason, Latios' divisible-by-4 HP does not appeal to you, simply take it out. Keep in mind it has nowhere else to place it. HP Fire variants should use 4 HP / 4 Def / 248 SpA / 4 SpD / 248 Spe. Use 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe if you don't plan on using Hidden Power.</p>

    <p>In general, Latios' best partners are Fighting- and Steel- types. Excellent Fighting-type choices are Infernape and Hitmontop. The former rounds out Latios coverage very well with its Fire- and Fighting- type attacks, helping it against pesky threats such as Metagross, Abomasnow, Bronzong, Weavile, and Scizor. The latter can increase Latios' lifespan with Intimidate support. Hitmontop can also opt to specialize in priority attacks, which helps mostly against Weavile and Choice Scarf Abomasnow. Notable Steel-type partner choices include Metagross and Scizor. Metagross is also an excellent partner as it can take out Tyranitar, Weavile, Snorlax, and Abomasnow. It can also take advantage of Latios' Levitate and use Earthquake. Scizor performs similarly, but it can not use Earthquake and must watch out for Snorlax's Fire Punch. Latios also aids these Pokemon with some of their problems. For instance, Latios can take out Rotom-W and Gyarados, both of whom trouble Metagross and Infernape, respectively.</p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>Latios' wide movepool grants it a fair amount of other choices to utilize to keep itself from being too predictable. Substitute can be used to take advantage of free turns as well as to avoid Sucker Punches and status attacks. However, Latios may find itself hard pressed to remove one of its valuable moveslots. Recover can be used to maintain Latios' presence in the battlefield, while also avoiding Sucker Punch. Latios' bulk may not be very impressive, but it does have an incredible number of useful resistances. This works best with a type-resist berry such as Haban. Grass Knot 2HKOes Tyranitar and Gastrodon, and OHKOes Rhyperior. Latios has access to many supporting options. It learns Heal Pulse, Icy Wind, Helping Hand, Thunder Wave, Reflect, and Light Screen, but Latias generally performs that role better.</p>

    <p>Latios has several other item choices it can consider. It can utilize Choice Specs rather well due to its insanely high Special Attack stat, and can also open up the possibility of using Trick to cripple a target. However, as Latios gets locked in and is unable to use Protect, the danger of being KOed increases. Choice Scarf is also a viable option to make Latios faster than virtually anything outside of Trick Room. White Herb is an option to restore Latios' Special Attack one time after using Draco Meteor, and can also aid it against Icy Wind. Beware of Intimidate, however, as it will simply waste the White Herb and Latios would have almost certainly preferred receiving the Attack drop anyways. Latios' weaknesses can be temporarily fixed via the aid of a type-resist berry. Haban Berry allows Latios to live against an otherwise fatal Dragon-type attack such as Garchomp's Dragon Claw and Kingdra's Dragon Pulse. Colbur Berry grants it a one-time protection against Sucker Punch from the likes of Toxicroak and Hitmontop, and allows it to survive Tyranitar's Crunch. Alternatively, Focus Sash can let Latios survive any fatal hit provided that it was struck at full HP.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>Tyranitar is a solid counter, being able to usually live two hits from Latios and OHKOing back with Crunch. Keep in mind though - if Tyranitar does not invest very heavily in Special Defense, it will be 2HKOed by Life Orb Grass Knot. Bronzong resists Latios' STABs and Hidden Power Ground, and can use Trick Room to nullify Latios' Speed advantage. Latios also does not enjoy taking multiple Iron Heads or Gyro Balls. Beware of Hidden Power Fire in the sun, however, as it can deal massive damage. Metagross needs to watch out for Hidden Power Ground and Hidden Power Fire (if it is not raining). However, it can tank everything else reasonably well and deal major damage with Meteor Mash. Though Latios will survive the Meteor Mash, it will not survive the following Bullet Punch. Scizor beats those without Hidden Power Fire. It can swiftly dispatch Latios with its powerful STAB Bug Bite. Ferrothorn also defeats Latios without Hidden Power Fire (and can beat one with it in the rain). Its added resistances to Surf and Thunderbolt means that Latios will have a tough time breaking through it, while Ferrothorn can 2HKO Latios with Gyro Ball. Snorlax's incredible special bulk allows it to absorb Latios' attacks without too much of a hassle, but Snorlax must be wary of Psyshock. In return, Latios fears Body Slam, Crunch, or Return. Chansey can easily absorb Latios' attacks and stall it out with Toxic and Softboiled, but Chansey is rather rare in this metagame.</p>

    <p>Faster Pokemon such as Weavile, Choice Scarf Abomasnow, Choice Scarf Garchomp, and Yanmega (after a
    Speed Boost) are troublesome, and Sucker Punch from the likes of Hitmontop and Toxicroak will inflict heavy damage. Latios despises paralysis as it relies on its Speed very much due to its weaknesses and poor physical defense. Beware of Thunder Wave from Pokemon such as Cresselia, Rotom-W, Thundurus, and Gyarados, as it will likely render Latios useless for the remainder of the match. Trick Room also does it no favors as well, for reasons similar to the above.</p>

    [Dream World]
    <p> Latios does not have a Dream World ability. However, as far as unobtainable material goes, Latios can potentially receive Soul Dew from a future event. This exclusive held item boosts Latios' (and Latias') Special Attack and Special Defense by a humongous 50%, turning it into a complete monster. It is very likely, though, that if Soul Dew does get released, it will be banned from use in VGC or any other official Pokemon tournaments, as it has been that way in the past.</p>
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    pre-skeleton done i think lol
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    I think Colbur Berry deserves a mention in OO. Halves damage from Dark-type attacks and this is really great against Sucker Punch users such as Shiftry and Hitmontop (Top does 74.36% max), and Top is likely going to be common, and Shiftry is a great mon on sun teams.
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    If metagross is worthy enough to be mentioned then Bronzong (will get to this guy's analysis to) would like to be known for its roboticness resisting pretty much its whole movepool and showing that dragon the power of his gyros in some tricky rooms.
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    Skeleton done. Added moof's changes (over IRC), and Bronzong and Colbur.
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    I've tried a Scarf set before, and it was pretty successful I thought, outspeeding Scarf-Chomp, and getting quick kills, while its relative bulk allowed it to switch in and out. Although, that was when the metagame was relatively young, so it might not work as well.
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    Ctrl + F "recover": no results

    Latios doesn't have the same bulk as Latias and is more suited to attacking, but Recover is quite useful to take advantage of Latios's many resistances and avoid Sucker Punch while healing, and works extremely well with a resist berry. It can go over Thunderbolt/Psyshock quite easily.
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    Added Recover in OO.
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    This is a small nitpick, but I think Dragon Pulse should take precedence over Draco Meteor. The predictability of the 110 Spe Latios when on the field with a foe Dragon-type means that the opponent will almost certainly Protect, or switch, or Protect then switch. In whatever manner, the opponent is going to be certain that that Dragon doesn't take the DM, and will neuter Latios by leaving it at half SpA. It's always played out that way for me, and I've ended up going to Dragon Pulse every time; it makes the important KOs and lets Latios safely be a vanguard Pokemon instead of a late-gamer. Obviously if you have experiences to the contrary I don't want to contradict them, but it looks this way as far as I've ever seen it.
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    I think DM vs DPulse is more of a preference kind of thing I guess. One of the neat things about DM I found is that it's so strong that predicting it can be difficult if it could KO both targets, and can sometimes substitute for a super effective Thunderbolt or Psyshock if you feel like you need to secure a KO on a target and fear that it may switch out (rather odd situation to describe). Granted, the special attack drop does suck, so you might want bulky teammates if you want to be able to swap around.
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    That's true, and with Dragon Gem / Life Orb it has a good chance for taking out either foe. I wish there were a more objective way to measure one move or another, but the only info I have on what is essentially VGC2012 is what notes I've taken out of the GBU. Either way Latios is a Pokemon that will no doubt see its share of action.
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    looking good jibbles!
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    Specs should definitely be an option as a late game or middle game or even early game sweeper. It may seem redundant and not usable with LO, but the increased power is definitely better and serves a great niche in this Metagame with many sweeping and (OH)KO options. It is definitely good enough for a set.
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    An excellent writeup. Kudos. Mainly changed for small grammatical and aesthetic errors.

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    Almost forgot about this.

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    Added White Herb in OO after seeing it being used a few times but tbh it's not that good...
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    It should be noted that Latios can almost guarantee a OHKO to every common dragon-type in VGC with Dragon Pulse plus either a Life Orb or a Dragon Gem (only defensive variants or those using Haban berry stand a chance). It also outspeeds every other dragon, except for Swift Swim Kingdra in rain, choice scarf dragons, and opposing Latios/Latias.
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    Added Tailwind onto main set. I'll decide later whether I want to put the whole "outruns virtually every dragon & destroys with Dragon move thing" since there seems to be a number of Dragons (percentage wise in usage) that kind of...deny that speed advantage. Idk, i'll think about it later.
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    I uploaded this and made the changes myself, please move.

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