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LC Community Create A Team (Step 2-4)

Discussion in 'BW LC' started by Charmander, Feb 6, 2012.

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  1. Charmander

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    We are currently on Step 2 and nominating Pokemon for the fourth slot.

    As you know, the CCAT is where the community works together to make a team of excellent quality and creativity. The steps and instructions on how to contribute are listed below. Remember, as long as your post is thoughtful and aims to help, there is never a penalty for making a suggestion, so don't hesitate to contribute! Also, remember that we don't want some boring team with Murkrow, Misdreavus, Gligar, and Mienfoo. Be as creative as you can!

    [box]Step 1: We are going to start by picking which Pokemon (and set) we are going to be basing the team around. This does NOT mean the Pokemon has to be the late game sweeper, it means the team will be built around that Pokemon and whatever role it plays. After about a week, I will select which Pokemon are going to be in the poll that will be posted after we decide on a list of Pokemon. This means you have to convince me, and others, that your Pokemon is worth being put in the vote.

    Step 2: We select Pokemon that work well around our Pokemon and fit the team style and test it. The nomination and voting processes will be identical to the initial nomination. Note that this one step will be, on its own, a 5-step process as all of the remaining Pokemon will need to be determined during this phase.

    Step 3: We finalize the team and write up a 5-star RMT! Please stay on topic. This thread is meant to create discussion, but lets keep it civil gents and ladies![/box]

    Lastly, as much as discovering new sets is cool, please make sure that you have tested your set before posting it.

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  2. Furai

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    Okay let's get this rolling~

    nominating:

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    Porygon @ Eviolite
    Trait: Trace
    EVs: 236 HP / 196 Def / 76 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Recover
    - Tri Attack
    - Ice Beam
    - Charge Beam

    Porygon is a beast, that was intoduced massively last end-metagame, before the return of Murkrow, Gligar, and Misdreavus. It worked great last metagame, and I'd like to see us make it work this metagame as well! It's like a bulky Abra; it boasts a lot of power while still having tons of bulk. Tri Attack is an AMAZING STAB which can also Burn, Freeze, or Paralyze. Charge Beam because boosting your Special Attack is sweet, and it also creates the BoltBeam coverage with Ice Beam. If we use Snover Porygon would prefer Blizzard. Recover is a great recovery move. Trace, however, is probably what makes Porygon so annoying. If we switch Porygon into Murkrow it gets Prankster, which will allow it to priority Recover. If the opponent switches Mienfoo as we switch Porygon we get Regenerator, or even if Slowpoke switches in. Magic Guard Abra is also an amazing Pokemon to switch into; taking no damage from weather, especially if we're using Snover, is BOSS.
  3. spuds4ever

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    Seems like a good pokemon to base a team around.

    As porygon is lacking in speed (presuming we are going along with this) I would like to suggest another team member to help in the field.

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    Venonat @eviolite
    Compound Eyes
    EVs: 196 HP, 40 def, 36 sp. atk 236 spe
    Timid
    Sleep Powder
    Psychic
    Agility
    Baton pass

    Venonat 4x resists porygon's only weakness virtually ensuring a safe switch in. Sleep powder with compound eyes becomes nearly unmissable. Agility is great as not only does it ensure it out-speeds all scarfers bar elekid (who he still ties with), he can get a guarenteed baton pass in unless he's hit by an inconvenient prankster taunt (which is rare). Porygon with a +2 speed boost even with no speed investment still out-speeds everything unscarfed making him tricky to revenge kill with such good defenses and speed. Psychic supports porygon well as it hits fighting types for super-effective damage as well as being his strongest move outside of sludge bomb, which has terrible coverage.
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    While I agree Venonat would be awesome support for Porygon; I'm pretty sure the point of this thread would be to suggest mons to build around. You're jumping the gun to Step 2.

    Venonat itself can be built around though; lots of things enjoy an (almost) equivlent spore/AgiPass.

    Anyways; will post a set I have in mind after I test it some.
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    Eevee @ Life Orb
    Trait: Adaptability
    EVs: 236 Atk / 240 Spd
    Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
    - Quick Attack
    - Return
    - Bite
    - Hidden Power [Fire]


    Eevee boasts a powerful Quick Attack when paired with Adaptability, on par with a non-STAB'd Extremespeed, making it easy for Eevee to pick off weakened foes. Return also becomes an incredible 204 Base Power move, hitting everything that's not resistant to it hard. Bite and Hidden Power Fire round out Eevee's coverage and allow it to hit Ghost and Steel-types who won't take much from its STABs, potentially OHKOing Eviolite Gastly and 2HKOing standard Frillish and Ferroseed, provided the former 2 have switched in on Stealth Rock.
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    Yeah :L I just don't really know anything under-rated to build a team around that would work well in the current meta-game...

    I did use dratini a while a couple of metas ago and it worked well, especially once you got around steel types. Here's a slightly custom-made set for this meta which I will try and test out when I get the chance. This in theory could work well if given some steel-killing support (magnemite, show us your stuff).

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    Dratini @oran berry/Eviolite
    Shed Skin
    EVs: 244 atk, 36 sp. atk, 28 HP, 116 sp.def, 36 spe
    Adamant
    Dragon Rush
    Ice Beam
    Extreme speed
    Dragon Dance

    This is based around a normal DD set but has quite a few tweaks to fit better in the meta-game. Dragon Dance does what we all know it does, boosts his very nice attack (hits a good 17 with adamant nature) Dragon Rush, yes, it is quite innacurate, but getting locked into a move is really bad in this meta-game where faster scarfers and priority are everywhere. Extreme speed is the crux of the set, beating faster scarfers and priority abusers allowing dratini to sweep more easily. Ice beam takes the place of where fire blast usually is. This is important as it OHKOes the most used pokemon in the tier, gligar, who would otherwise wall this set as well as hitting murkrow harder than extreme speed if it tries to switch in. The EVS seem strange but they are tailored to give him maximum attack, ensuring he hits as hard as possible with extreme speed, as well as some good special bulk which is handy seeing as dratini has a great specially defensive typing. As I said, I haven't tested this (it would be great if someone else could test this too) and I'll get over to it ASAP. Sorry if this is posted too early.
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    Cacnea @ Life Orb/Oran Berry/Brightpowder (Sand Hax ftw)
    Sand Veil
    EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 236 Spd
    Adamant
    Swords Dance
    Sucker Punch
    Substitute
    Focus Punch

    This guy isn't really seen much, but it's damn powerful. After a Swords Dance, not much can survive a sucker punch coming from 38 atk. It can also abuse subpunch with Sand Veil which is sure to frustrate the opponent especially with Brightpowder (Although I think Oran Berry is the superior option). Substitute also works well with Sucker Punch as it forces the opponent to attack.


    P.S. Where do you guys get the moving sprites from?
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    guys do something weird like Cacnea or Venomoth. We all know what Porygon, Eevee, and Dratini do...
  9. spuds4ever

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    This looks like it could be fun :). I hope you don't mind if I test it out. Btw, on your set, the speed EVs are pointless as focus punch has negative priority and sucker punch has positive unless you just want it to get a substiute up really quickly, but 11 speed will probably do. I'll try the same set with HP EVs instead, though I may give drain punch and seed bomb a go.

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    Solosis @ Life Orb
    Trait: Magic Guard
    EVs: 236 HP / 240 SAtk
    Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
    - Psychic
    - Hidden Power [Fighting]
    - Shadow Ball
    - Trick Room

    LC is pretty speed-driven so trick room could be fairly anti-metagame. Although I rarely play LC
  11. Rowan

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    Yes I suppose the Speed EV's are slightly redundant, I'm not sure what threats you'd need to outspeed. Drain Punch and Seed Bomb/Bullet Seed work too I guess. I just like haxing with a sub up because I'm cheap like that.
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    Suggested last time by Darkamber

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    Gligar (M) @ Eviolite
    Trait: Hyper Cutter
    EVs: 156 Atk / 76 Def / 236 Spe
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Aerial Ace
    - Earthquake / U-turn
    - Roost
    - Stealth Rock / Toxic

    Although AcroBat is seen on virtually every team, defensive Gligar certainly merits use as it fills a completely different role. Primarily, it is a monster late game (see the teambat where it single handedly played to my demise) once the opponent is unfortunate enough to lack anything to break through it. Also, it is notable for being a more solid switch-in to Fighting-types than AcroBat. Finally, it deviates from the current trend in the metagame of high Speed, high offensive Pokemon and with Eviolite provides enough bulk to take nigh all physical attacks.
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    Murkrow (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Prankster
    EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 20 Def / 20 SDef / 188 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Brave Bird
    - Substitute
    - Roost
    - Sucker Punch

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    I'm with Sax King, Teddiursa is so fun to use! I tried building a team around her and it didn't do so great, so maybe the LC community can make a better one xD

    Teddiursa has my vote (though I doubt she'll win D:)!
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    Frillish @ Choice Scarf
    Water Absorb | Timid
    76 HP / 236 SpA / 196 Spe
    - Water Spout
    - Shadow Ball
    - Hydro Pump / Surf
    - Energy Ball / Ice Beam / Recover

    This thing actually can do a lot of damage. With 21 Speed and 16 Special Attack, Water Spout actually hurts a ton. While it isn't powerful to OHKO things on its own, it will 2HKO common switchins, such as Eviolite Misdreavus:

    236 SpAtk Frillish Water Spout vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Eviolite Misdreavus: 54.55% - 68.18%

    Wrecks all forms of Gligar:

    236 SpAtk Frillish Water Spout vs 236 HP/0 SpDef Eviolite Gligar: 115.38% - 138.46%

    OHKOs non-Eviolite Murkrow:

    236 SpAtk Frillish Water Spout vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Murkrow: 113.64% - 140.91%

    Shadow Ball is a nice auxillary STAB move, while Hydro Pump and Surf provide secondary Water-type attacks. The last slot comes down to personal preference: Energy Ball usually will 2HKO Chinchou after Stealth Rock (41.67% - 58.33%), while Ice Beam hits Dragon-types and Recover can allow Frillish to repower its Water Spout on a predicted switch/choiced Water-type attack. Water Absorb also helps out here.

    Staryu is obviously awesome for removing Stealth Rock/Spikes, Gligar/Dwebble for entry hazards, etc. Pretty standard for a sweeper in terms of teammates, with slightly more emphasis on spinning.

    In general, Frillish hits surprisngly hard, and the sheer surprise value of a non-defensive Frillish will net it at least one or two KOes per match if played well.
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    Totodile @ Life Orb
    Torrent | Adamant
    36 HP / 236 Atk / 4 Def / 52 SpD / 172 Spe
    - Swords Dance
    - Aqua Jet
    - Ice Punch
    - Crunch

    I believe this set is effective in the current meta, none of the big 3 can safely switch in. Offensive Gligar is OHKO'd by +2 Aqua Jet, while defensive is beaten by Ice Punch without being able to deal enough damage back. Even defensive Misdreavus is likely to be KO'd by a +2 Crunch, with Stealth Rock guaranteeing it. Murkrow has a chance of being KO'd by a +2 Aqua Jet, while CM Featherdance will take a lot of damage from Ice Punch before you switch out. This set will need a lot of support, but near the end of the game it rips through both offensive and defensive teams. Also SE Priority for Drillbur is always nice
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    Teddiursa
    Solosis
    Cacnea
    Totodile

    Those are you choices. Bold your vote, you can only vote one. Also you should probably put a reason for your vote or it wont count! I want discussion here :)
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    After some thought, it's gotta be Cacnea. I find pretty Teddiursa and Totodile pretty one dimensional, especially when one considers the fact that Totodile REALLY struggles to compete with Tirtouga (higher base Attack, secondary STAB, Shell Smash) and they're both pretty prone to being revenged. Most notably, I think Snover has started to overpopulate the tier and that sand is still probably a viable strategy, despite the fact that a lot of people are afraid to use it. I've never really been interested in Trick Room due to how easy it is to stall out, but Solosis' power could almost make up for that. Either way, I think Cacnea is the way to go because it has some different options, is pretty unpredictable, and I would like to see a tandem Sand Veil abuse team between it and Gligar (considering Sand Veil was really what many people thought sent Gligar over the top anyways...).

    In terms of what set to use, I'm not entirely sure. I've used the set posted above, and also used a bulkier spread and replaced Swords Dance with Toxic. I've also toyed with Synthesis, but sandstorm really hurts that. Still relatively unsure about what's a good idea where. I really would like to see Baton Pass Gligar considered as a teammate, as you pass a Swords Dance to Cacnea when Chinchou comes in or on a weaker shot from Bronzor and see what happens. The double ice weakness there is a bummer, but can be worked around for sure. Overall, interested to see where this goes.

    tl;dr: Cacnea is the only multidimensional guy up there that seems both fun to use while being very unique.
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    Totodile

    I've had really great success with Feraligatr, which is his final evo in RU, therefore i think this thing would work pretty well here too.
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    Totodile


    Swords Dance, STAB Priority, and amazing coverage? Sure, why not. Should be pretty cool to build around it, especially in a metagame it could function pretty well~
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    For the record, BrightPowder is banned under the Evasion clause, thus Cacnea cannot use it in tandem with Sand Veil. Just making sure that was clear since the set posted has BrightPowder as an option.

    I think Cacnea and Solosis are both good options, but not the sets that were proposed. Trick Room just doesn't work well in Little Cup since so many Pokemon run Protect and use Eviolite. It was great last Gen when the metagame was frailer and much more offensive-based. With the introduction of Eviolite, it is really difficult to pull off Trick Room. It could propose an interesting challenge when building a team, but I just can't see it being successful, especially when Murkrow's priority moves complete negate it. And that Cacnea set is easily worked around with Gligar and MissyD. So long as you aren't attacking it, Cacnea can't do squat. You can just set up while it tries to Sucker Punch you.

    If the community were to pursue those Pokemon, I think a more bulky attacker approach to Solosis and support-based Cacnea would be better. Solosis's Magic Guard means it can switch in repeatedly without fear of hazards, status, etc. That means when it uses Recover it can "hang on" to that health much longer. Solosis's Special Attack is so high it doesn't need Life Orb to inflict a lot of damage, so it can afford to run Eviolite. Cacnea has access to moves like Spikes, Switcheroo and Destiny Bond that allow it to support its team with hazards or messing up a dangerous Pokemon. It also has two forms of semi-reliable recovery: Giga Drain and Drain Punch. Both of Cacnea's offensive stats are great, so it can use them both effectively. It could pose to be a challenge to stop, especially considering Sand Veil.

    just my 2 cents
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    Solosis

    I've seen it used a few times in the past, especially by Elevator Music, and it is actually incredibly hard to kill with Recover added in. 105 base SpA is ridiculous too.

    Teddiursa and Totodile feel too well-known to me, and Cacnea sort of sucks. Run Life Orb mixed Cacnea if you're going to use it- a SubPunch set is going nowhere.
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    Totodile was my original vote; but to be honest; rayjay is right: Tirtogua gives it a lot of competition that it really doesnt have an answer to. Totodile needs his Sheer Force for Recoiless LO attacks pretty badly.

    Teddiursa gets my vote. It's adorable and has potential. Plus I think cacnea is lame :/ and TR can be used in tandem with a Teddiursa.


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    Am I allowed to vote for my own suggestion? If so I'll vote Totodile for STAB Priority and amazing coverage. I've used it a lot and have never wanted to use Tirtouga over it so yeah,

    If I can't vote for myself change my vote to Solosis; ive also used Solosis a lot(and Elgyem <3) and its a great at Offensive Trick Room imo
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