Why would we move gunk down? It counters chinchou one of the best and most common pokes in the current meta along with tirtouga and dwebble via taunt, a rank for gunk.
Sorry you're argument is really flawed here. It's like saying Murkrow's LO set isn't noteworthy even though it 2HKOs the entire tier, because Cranidos can 2HKO the entire tier as well and that's not moving above B anytime soon. With Swords Dance, Drilbur is actually one of the hardest Pokemon to switch into if you can set it up. 17 Speed isn't bad at all and can outspeed and take out loads of slower. With an Eviolite it also survives hits from faster Pokemon such as Murkrow and Misdreavus. OHKOing Missy at +2 definitely makes a Rapid Spinner noteworthy.OHKOing Missy at +2 makes something noteworthy?
Riolu can OHKO Missy with Crunch at +2, but I don't see it above D tier anytime soon.
And let's not forget that Azurill OHKOs Missy at +0 with Knock Off, but it has numerous flaws that keep it from being viable.
Yeah, pretty much one of the main reasons.The point is that Missie, one of the premier spinblockers, is killed on the switch. That makes Drilbur a much more viable spinner, as it can remove its counters.
In addition, a +2 Drilbur also OHKOs every single S-rank mon with either Earthquake or Rock Slide.
>OHKOing missy wiht Knock OffOHKOing Missy at +2 makes something noteworthy?
Riolu can OHKO Missy with Crunch at +2, but I don't see it above D tier anytime soon.
And let's not forget that Azurill OHKOs Missy at +0 with Knock Off, but it has numerous flaws that keep it from being viable.
Agreed here !! Drilbur is the slayer of Sturdy + BJ mons who rely on that sash to stay intact and can outspeed all of them before they can Smash. Also to note that without Sand Rush it's still a powerhouse.Drilbur is actually very good, agreed with Corkscrew
Yup! Here are the only Pokemon able to use Mold Breaker in LC: Axew, Cranidos, Drilbur, Pancham. Cranidos is too slow to sweep, so is Pancham! Axew I guess can set up a DD but doesn't have great coverage, it can't get EQ or Bulldoze in fact. That just leaves Drilbur...And with it's decent speed, it can definitely destroy things in the tier (not to mention Drilbur also outspeeds Axew)! And with Gligar out of the way, there are no reliable passers to pass speed, as Venipede doesn't get Baton Pass, and Torchic doesn't have the best defenses in the world....And if you're thinking about Aipom...not the best defenses either, and it's generally better to be run as an All-Out-Attacker anyway.Agreed here !! Drilbur is the slayer of Sturdy + BJ mons who rely on that sash to stay intact and can outspeed all of them before they can Smash. Also to note that without Sand Rush it's still a powerhouse.
Pretty much. It abuses prankster with substitute, leech seed, and status to be really annoying. It's also got the new fairy type which makes it stand out more so than last genI understand how whimsicott is used in the upper tiers. Is cottonee used the same way?
You also have to consider that with the way the power scale works (or whatever you call it) the low amount of attack that Cottonee has is still enough to allow it to attack well and viably hurt threats. But yeah, it's an annoying one like it's evo.Pretty much. It abuses prankster with substitute, leech seed, and status to be really annoying. It's also got the new fairy type which makes it stand out more so than last gen
i dont actually feel like croagunk fits these requirements. croagunk has a major flaw because it does what it does and nothing else. it cant wall and support the majority of the tier, it can wall and support maybe 40% of the tier (51% is considered majority by all accounts). it fills its niche well, but after that it is not a threatening pokemon. i dont even think it has outstanding traits, because outside of switching into fighting types it does absolutely nothing. unlike gen 5 there arent 5 fighting types a team and there is just more viabilty of pokemon who beat itReserved for Pokemon that are outstanding in the LC metagame and can sweep, wall, or support the majority of the tier. These Pokemon require less support than other Pokemon to be used effectively and have few flaws that can be overlooked when compared to their outstanding traits.
Croagunk should stay in A-Rank imo. Even if it becomes "a libaility" dependent on team matchup, you can say that's the same for most pokemon. I have a team that has Scarf Pawniard/Chinchou/Archen as a core and it renders Murkrow as somewhat of a liability. Of course, that case is a bit extreme but Croagunk's role on a team and it's niche is way too good for it to be B. Pretty much everything it checks is rising in usage from my personal experience (People are hyping scraggy a bit more now)
Croagunk does have occasional issues of lack of power in comparison to the rest of the mons in LC, which can make it a momentum killer on a lot of offensive teams, which is what keeps it from being an Elite A Mon, but it's still deserves an A rank. If this had subdivisions, it would definitely be an A-.
I'm pretty sure Lickitung does have a real niche. It's a bulky normal type cleric. It counters completely different things to Spritzee, so although they have the same cleric/wish role, one cannot be said to outclass the other. And if you do compare them, 90/75/75 stats are better than 78/60/65. Lickitung deserves B because it plays a massive support role, makes Pokemon such as Snubbull, Cottonee and Koffing much more viable thanks to Wish Support and it's almost impossible to take down without a Fighting-type Pokemon. (Seriously run a team with no fighting-types and see how tough Lickitung is to take down)This is sort of random but
Lickitung for C.
B seems a little high for a pokemon that seemingly has no niche. As a bulky normal, there is Porygon and Munchlax, and as a cleric there is Spritzee. The only things it really has are Dragon Tail and Knock Off, but I don't think either of them are enough to warrant B. I've used it couple times and its usually just fodder since it needs Protect to use Wish effectively because its super slow.
Agree about Buneary being at least C or D rank. It's not even *that* frail specially. I sometimes run a baton pass set on it. It does that niche pretty well as there are not that many (or any other?) baton passers with cosmic power, agility, power-up punch + probably more things it can do.Buneary needs a rank on this. It has a niche in switcheroo + klutz, which allows cool stuff like giving a wall an assault vest, effectively permanently taunting it. Its attack is also not bad at base 65, and it has a lot of cool support options, along with a very high base 85 speed. Yeah, it's pretty frail and it can't damage bulky mons, but I think its niche is big enough for at least D rank, if not C.
Well it kind of depends how you play Spritzee. I have switched Mienfoo into the Knock Offs and preserved Eviolite on Spritzee to check loads of threats. Then again, if you are using it as a dedicated fighting counter, then it will get knocked off and that's all it will be able to do, but it does it really well and takes stress off the rest of your team.also on a side note who agrees spritzee for b. its so easily taken advantage of and needs and doesnt actually wall a majority of the tier. especially when its eviolite flies off by 3rd turn every game.
The problem with constant switching with Spritzee is the Dwebble hazards metagame. You are forced to spin or defog as Spritzee is trash with hazards on the field. All the 3HKOs on it that it can switch into become 2HKOs. It's honestly a complete liability. I just don't think Spritzee is that great in this meta and ANY competent player will get it knocked off early in the game as prem said.Well it kind of depends how you play Spritzee. I have switched Mienfoo into the Knock Offs and preserved Eviolite on Spritzee to check loads of threats. Then again, if you are using it as a dedicated fighting counter, then it will get knocked off and that's all it will be able to do, but it does it really well and takes stress off the rest of your team.
To me Spritzee looks like one of the most reliable Pokemon in the tier.
I think that it isn't bulky enough as it has 60/45/45 defenses and with Carvahna, Chinchou, and Tirtouga running around, it will not survive, and there is many other things out there that prevent it from setting up. *cough* TauntFoo *cough* If it does get set up though, it can obviously kills like everything if it has Flamethrower and Earth Power.Numel for c rank if you give this guy a vulpix its a boss simple growth in the sun give you +4 attack AND special attack and flame charge gives you +2 speed with simple, making it a very good pokemon with enough support therefore defining the c rank requirments. What do you guys think?
The amount of set up required for Numel to be effective is usually too high for it to be C rank. Having two fire types is generally a liability, for what BC said above, water types are inconveniently common, as is Stealth Rock.Numel for c rank if you give this guy a vulpix its a boss simple growth in the sun give you +4 attack AND special attack and flame charge gives you +2 speed with simple, making it a very good pokemon with enough support therefore defining the c rank requirments. What do you guys think?