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Ledyba (Gen 4, LC Analysis)*

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Dracoyoshi8, Mar 9, 2010.

  1. Dracoyoshi8

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    tried to keep the sets as short as possible while keeping in all the important info. Counters may need some work.

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    [OVERVIEW]

    <p>For a such a little bug, Ledyba has a great movepool. Encore, dual screens, Baton Pass, and two boosting moves means Ledyba can be a great supporter. It also isn't too shabby on the offensive, even with its abysmal Attack and average Special Attack. Ledyba's Bug / Flying typing and average Speed are what really hurt it. However, if you can get by that, Ledyba is a fun choice in Little Cup and can certainly live up to the name of the Five Star Pokemon.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Baton Pass
    move 1: Agility / Swords Dance
    move 2: Encore
    move 3: Baton Pass
    move 4: Substitute / Bug Buzz
    item: Liechi Berry / Petaya Berry / Salac Berry
    ability: Early Bird
    nature: Timid
    EVs: 196 HP / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is very similar to Baton Pass Gligar. The only main difference is Ledyba can use Encore, which is a huge benefit. Come in on something like Bronzor or Omanyte, and Encore Stealth Rock and Spikes respectively. Ledyba is also a good choice to come in on Paras, since it resists both of its STABs and Early Bird helps it take Spore. From there, you can either set up a Substitute, or you can immediately start using Agility or Swords Dance. Bug Buzz can be used as a way to make Wynaut much more wary about coming in and using Encore, although Ledyba can Baton Pass right out of there.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>Liechi Berry is useful if you are running Agility, since it allows Ledyba to Baton Pass Attack as well as Speed. Petaya Berry also works well with Agility. Salac Berry works best if you are passing Swords Dance, not only because you get to pass Speed, but because Ledyba isn't exactly lightning fast. All three items work best when combined with Substitute, though. If you are running Bug Buzz over Substitute, then Oran Berry can be used to increase Ledyba's chances of pulling off a successful Baton Pass.</p>

    <p>Ledyba can Baton Pass to just about anything in the metagame. Honestly, the only limit of Baton Pass recievers is your imagination. However, Numel and Bidoof get a special mention, since they have the Simple ability. This can turn them into extremely potent sweepers very quickly. Cubone with Thick Club also appreciates an Agility being passed to it. Elekid, who already has high Speed, appreciates a Swords Dance being passed to it. Ledyba is also a good choice for a Baton Pass Chain, thanks to Encore. Ledyba does appreciate having Rapid Spin support. Squirtle and Baltoy make excellent teammates for Ledyba because of this.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: U-turn
    move 4: Encore / Roost
    item: Oran Berry / Light Clay
    ability: Early Bird
    nature: Jolly
    EVs: 196 HP / 36 Def / 36 Sdef / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Ledyba is an excellent user of Light Screen and Reflect. Ledyba's main selling point as a dual screener is that it can use U-turn to escape from Wynaut's Shadow Tag. This alone gives Ledyba an edge over other dual screeners. Encore is useful against Pokemon like Bronzor and Omanyte using Stealth Rock, allowing Ledyba time to set up Light Screen and Reflect. Roost is helpful if you are running Light Clay, since it gives Ledyba a form of recovery. It is also great when you consider that Ledyba's 50% of its Hit Points upon each switch-in thanks to Stealth Rock.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>Oran Berry is almost always the way to go, considering Ledyba's weakness to Stealth Rock. However, Light Clay is certainly an option, giving your sweepers a better chance to set up. As expected, Ledyba really needs Rapid Spin support to shine. Squirtle and Baltoy are the best options, since Squirtle covers Ledyba's Ice- and Fire-type weaknesses, while Baltoy deals with its Electric- and Rock-type weaknesses. Kabuto can also work, considering Ledyba covers Kabuto's Fighting- and Ground-type weaknesses extremely well. A Ghost-type is also useful, since it can come in on Counter just in case Wynaut uses it when Ledyba U-turns.</p>

    <p>Set up sweepers are the teammates you want for this set. Nasty Plot Houndour is easily the best choice. Ledyba covers two of Houndour's weaknesses with ease, while Houndour can use Fire-type moves aimed at Ledyba as a way to activate Flash Fire. Dratini can come in on Electric- and Fire-type moves and use Dragon Dance. Larvitar and Aron can easily switch in on Rock-type moves and use Rock Polish. Agility Chinchou and Swords Dance Totodile also greatly appreciate dual screens, so they are great teammates as well. Swords Dance Anorith may share a Rock-type weakness with Ledyba, but the sheer power of it under screens makes it a good option. With Light Screen up, Rain Dance Mantyke shrugs off any non-Electric-type special move.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Swords Dance
    move 1: Swords Dance
    move 2: Bug Bite
    move 3: Mach Punch
    move 4: Aerial Ace / Ice Punch / ThunderPunch
    item: Life Orb / Oran Berry
    nature: Jolly / Adamant
    EVs: 36 HP / 196 Atk / 36 Def / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Even with Ledyba's pathetic base 20 Attack, Ledyba can be a decent Swords Dancer with a movepool that is slightly better than the average Bug-type’s. Bug Bite is going to be your main form of STAB. In Little Cup, Bug Bite is a fantastic move, since it allows you to heal using your opponents' Oran Berries. Mach Punch provides Ledyba with good coverage and a form of priority. The last moveslot is pretty much your preference. Aerial Ace gets STAB, and combined with Bug Bite and Mach Punch, hits everything in Little Cup for at least neutral damage. Ice Punch is useful against Flying- and Ground-types, especially Gligar. ThunderPunch hits Mantyke for a OHKO, and hits Water- and Flying-types hard. Baton Pass also gets small mention, since it allows Ledyba to get out of there when something like Phanpy comes in while passing the Swords Dance.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>Ledyba has poor Attack, so Life Orb is recommended above all other items. Oran Berry is still an option due to Ledyba's horrible Stealth Rock weakness. Jolly nature is suggested over Adamant since Ledyba has only average Speed, and Swords Dance boosts its Attack. Adamant is still a viable option, since Mach Punch does somewhat make up for Ledyba's Speed.</p>

    <p>Rapid Spin support is an absolute must for this set if you are running Life Orb. Baltoy is your best option, since it can Rapid Spin as well as set up Stealth Rock, which all offensive Pokemon adore. Baltoy can also run dual screens, which makes setting up Swords Dance much easier for Ledyba. Squirtle is also a good partner for Ledyba, as is Kabuto. Kabuto also gets the benefit of being able to support Ledyba with Stealth Rock. Phanpy is a big problem for this set due to Ice Shard and its physical bulk. Bulky Water-types like Slowpoke and the previously mentioned Squirtle can be big assets to Ledyba.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Swarming Sweeper
    move 1: Agility
    move 2: Substitute
    move 3: Bug Buzz
    move 4: Hidden Power Flying / Hidden Power Ground / Baton Pass
    item: Petaya Berry
    ability: Swarm
    nature: Modest
    EVs: 36 HP / 36 Def / 196 Satk / 236 Spe

    <p>This is probably Ledyba's most famous set. It's a one-time use set, but Ledyba can rip holes through teams during that time. The magic of this set is Swarm, which raises Bug Buzz's base power to a fantastic 180 when Ledyba is at one-third of its HP.</p>

    <p>The best thing to do is switch Ledyba in on a Choice-locked Ground- or Fighting-type move. Ledyba will take little damage, or no damage thanks to its immunity to Ground, from these moves. Use this as a chance to use Agility. From there, just keep using Substitute until you activate Petaya Berry. Then, proceed to sweep. Bug Buzz is going to be Ledyba's main form of doing damage. Hidden Power Flying hits Fighting-types for super effective damage and gains STAB. It also hits Levitating Ghost-types. Hidden Power Ground hits Fire-, Electric-, Steel-, and Poison-types super effectively. Baton Pass can be used as a last ditch effort to pass Ledyba's boosts when you think Ledyba's time is done.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>Rapid Spin support isn't nessecary for this set, but it is still recommended, so Squirtle and Baltoy are great teammates. However, Stealth Rock and dual screens support are a huge help. Lead Kabuto and Phanpy are two excellent Stealth Rock users to use on a team with Ledyba. Bronzor is also a fine choice, since it can support Ledyba with both Stealth Rock and dual screens. Heatproof Bronzor can actually prove useful with Ledyba, since it will lure in Ground-type moves for Ledyba to take advantages of. Dual screening Electric-types, like Mareep, are good teammates as well, since they draw in Electric-type moves like honey to ants. If you are running Baton Pass, having a special sweeper that can take advantage of the Petaya boost is always nice. Houndour and Gastly are two great examples.</p>

    [TEAM OPTIONS]

    <p>Rapid Spin support is extremely helpful, no matter what set you are running. Baltoy is easily the best choice, since it resists Rock-type moves and is immune to Electric-type moves. Squirtle is also a good choice, since it can come in easily on Ice- and Fire-type moves. Kabuto is a fine choice too, since it can also use Stealth Rock.</p>

    <p>Support sets work best on teams with sweepers that can take advantage of it the best. Cubone, Numel, and Bidoof are excellent Baton Pass receivers. Cubone's low Speed but high Attack with Think Club makes it an excellent Agility receiver. Bidoof and Numel both have Simple, doubling the boosts they recieve. However, only your creativity limits what you can pass to. Nasty Plot Houndour is a great partner to the dual screens set. It can use Fire-type moves thrown at Ledyba for a Flash Fire boost and set up. Dratini can come in on Fire- and Electric-type moves and use Dragon Dance, as can Larvitar. Aron easily switches in on Rock- and Ice-type moves. Totodile, Chinchou and Mantyke also greatly appreciate dual screens, so they are fine options.</p>

    <p>Sweeping sets greatly appreciate dual screens and Stealth Rock being up. Bronzor and Baltoy are two great options for both, and Baltoy can use Rapid Spin to remove Stealth Rock. Lead Phanpy, Omanyte, and Kabuto are great options for setting up Stealth Rock. Dual screens Pokemon weak to Ground- and Fighting-type moves, such as Heatproof Bronzor, are excellent options. These moves are the best moves for Ledyba to come in on.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>Ledyba has a rather big movepool, so it has quite a few other options. Refresh can be used to remove status from Ledyba. Knock Off is useful if you want to remove an opponents item, but it's only medicore in Little Cup. Protect can be used for scouting or if you are using Ledyba as a lead. Tailwind is like Agility for the whole team, but three turns is often too short to take full advantage of. Focus Punch can be used with Substitute and Swords Dance for a gimmicky SubPunch set. Brick Break can be used if you don't like Mach Punch's base power. Return and Double-Edge are always decent options. Drain Punch and Giga Drain are interesting choices, but useally not good enough to make it onto a set.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Countering Baton Pass Ledyba is very difficult if it has a Substitute up. If you have something faster with Encore, like Abra, you can try to Encore it, but if it has used Agility, it probably won't be staying in. Ledyba doesn't run any priority on the Baton Pass set, so hitting it with moves like Ice Shard and Aqua Jet is a safe bet. In fact, just attacking is probably your best option. The dual screens set is stopped by Brick Break, but Ledyba can easily Encore it. Taunt users, like Stunky, do very well against these sets. Also, anything innitially faster with Ledyba that isn't using a Choice item can do a fair job of scaring Ledyba off.</p>

    <p>Swords Dance Ledyba without Ice Punch is beaten by Phanpy easily. Chinchou also does well against it thanks to STAB Thunderbolt and its natural bulk. Slugma can threaten to burn Ledyba with Flame Body and hit it with a super effective Lava Plume. The Swarming Sweeper is very weak to priority, so anything with priority not named Mach Punch or Vacuum Wave can handle it. Munchlax and Mantyke can stop it thanks to their huge Special Defense.</p>
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    [23:44] <Zy> I'll proofread Ledyba tomorrow
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    [OVERVIEW]

    <p>For a such a little bug, Ledyba has a great movepool. Encore, dual screens, Baton Pass, and two boosting moves means Ledyba can be a great supporter to a team. It also isn't too shabby on the offensive, even with its absymal Attack and average Special Attack. Ledyba's Bug / Flying typing and only average Speed are what really hurt it. However, if you can get by that, Ledyba is a fun choice in Little Cup, and can certainly live up to the name of the Five Star Pokemon.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Baton Pass
    move 1: Agility / Swords Dance
    move 2: Encore
    move 3: Baton Pass
    move 4: Substitute / Bug Buzz
    item: Liechi Berry / Petaya Berry / Salac Berry
    ability: Early Bird
    nature: Timid
    EVs: 196 HP / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is very similar to Baton Pass Gligar. The only main difference is Ledyba can use Encore, which is a huge benefit. Come in on something like Bronzor or Omanyte, and Encore Stealth Rock and Spikes respectively. Ledyba is also a good choice to come in on Paras, since it resists both of its STABs and Early Bird helps it take Spore. From there, you can either set up a Substitute, or you can immediately start using Agility or Swords Dance. Bug Buzz can be used as a way to make Wynaut much more wary about coming in and using Encore, although Ledyba can Baton Pass right out of there.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>Liechi Berry is useful if you are running Agility, since it allows Ledyba to Pass Attack as well as Speed. Petaya Berry also works well with Agility. Salac Berry works best if you are passing Swords Dance, not only because you get to pass Speed, but because Ledyba isn't exactly lightning fast. All three items work best when combined with Substitute, though. If you are running Bug Buzz over Substitute, then Oran Berry can be used to increase Ledyba's chances of pulling off a successful Baton Pass.</p>

    <p>Ledyba can Baton Pass to just about anything in the metagame. Honestly, the only limit of Baton Pass recievers is your imagination. However, Numel and Bidoof get a special mention, since they have the Simple ability. This can turn them into extremely potent sweepers very quickly. Cubone with Thick Club also appreciates an Agility being passed to it. Ledyba does appreciate having Rapid Spin support, though; Squirtle and Baltoy make excellent teammates for Ledyba because of this.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: U-turn
    move 4: Encore / Roost
    item: Oran Berry / Light Clay
    ability: Early Bird
    nature: Jolly
    EVs: 196 HP / 36 Def / 36 Sdef / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Ledyba is an excellent user of Light Screen and Reflect. Ledyba's main selling point as a dual screener is that it can use U-turn to escape from Wynaut's Shadow Tag. This alone gives Ledyba an edge over other dual screeners. Encore is useful against Pokemon like Bronzor and Omanyte using Stealth Rock, allowing Ledyba time to set up Light Screen and Reflect. Roost is helpful if you are running Light Clay, since it gives Ledyba a form of recovery. It is also great when you consider Ledyba's 4x weakness to Stealth Rock.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>Oran Berry is almost always the way to go, considering Ledyba's weakness to Stealth Rock. However, Light Clay is certainly an option, giving your sweepers a better chance to set up. As expected, Ledyba really needs Rapid Spin support to shine. Squirtle and Baltoy are the best options, since Squirtle covers Ledyba's Ice- and Fire-type weaknesses, while Baltoy deals with its Electric- and Rock-type weaknesses. Kabuto can also work, considering Ledyba covers Kabuto's Fighting- and Ground-type weaknesses extremely well. A Ghost-type is also useful, since it can come in on Counter just in case Wynaut uses it when Ledyba U-turns.</p>

    <p>Set up sweepers are the teammates you want for this set. Nasty Plot Houndour is easily the best choice. Ledyba covers two of Houndour's weaknesses with ease, while Houndour can use Fire-type moves aimed at Ledyba as a way to activate Flash Fire. Dratini can come in on Electric- and Fire-type moves and use Dragon Dance. Larvitar and Aron can easily switch in on Rock-type moves and use Rock Polish. Agility Chinchou and Swords Dance Totodile also greatly appreciate dual screens, so they are great teammates as well. With Light Screen up, Rain Dance Mantyke shrugs off any non-Electric-type special move.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Swords Dance
    move 1: Swords Dance
    move 2: Bug Bite
    move 3: Mach Punch
    move 4: Aerial Ace / Ice Punch / ThunderPunch
    item: Life Orb / Oran Berry
    nature: Jolly / Adamant
    EVs: 36 HP / 196 Atk / 36 Def / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Even with Ledyba's pathetic base 20 Attack, Ledyba can be a decent Swords Dancer with a movepool better than the average Bug-type. Bug Bite is going to be your main form of STAB. In Little Cup, Bug Bite is a fantastic move, since it allows you to heal using your opponents' Oran Berries. Mach Punch provides Ledyba with good coverage and a form of priority. The last moveslot is pretty much your preference. Aerial Ace gets STAB, and combined with Bug Bite and Mach Punch, hits everything in Little Cup for at least neutral damage. Ice Punch is useful against Flying- and Ground-types, especially Gligar. ThunderPunch hits Mantyke for a OHKO, and hits Water- and Flying-types hard. Baton Pass also gets small mention, since it allows Ledyba to get out of there when something like Phanpy comes in while passing the Swords Dance.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>Ledyba has poor Attack, so Life Orb is recommended above all other items. Oran Berry is still an option due to Ledyba's horrible Stealth Rock weakness. Jolly nature is suggested over Adamant since Ledyba has only average Speed, and Swords Dance boosts its Attack. Adamant is still a viable option, since Mach Punch does somewhat make up for Ledyba's Speed.</p>

    <p>Rapid Spin support is an absolute must for this set if you are running Life Orb. Baltoy is your best option, since it can Rapid Spin as well as set up Stealth Rock, which all offensive Pokemon adore. Baltoy can also run dual screens, which makes setting up Swords Dance much easier for Ledyba. Squirtle is also a good partner for Ledyba, as is Kabuto. Kabuto also gets the benefit of being able to support Ledyba with Stealth Rock. Phanpy is a big problem for this set due to Ice Shard and its physical bulk. Bulky Water-types like Slowpoke and the previously mentioned Squirtle can be big assets to Ledyba.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Swarming Sweeper
    move 1: Agility
    move 2: Substitute
    move 3: Bug Buzz
    move 4: Hidden Power Flying / Hidden Power Ground / Baton Pass
    item: Petaya Berry
    ability: Swarm
    nature: Modest
    EVs: 36 HP / 36 Def / 196 Satk / 236 Spe

    <p>This is probably Ledyba's most famous set. It's a one-time use set, but Ledyba can rip holes through teams during that time. The magic of this set is Swarm, which raises Bug Buzz's base power to a fantastic 180 when Ledyba is at one-third of its HP.</p>

    <p>The best thing to do is switch Ledyba in on a Choice-locked Ground- or Fighting-type move. Ledyba will take little damage, or no damage thanks to its immunity to Ground, from these moves. Use this as a chance to use Agility. From there, just keep using Substitute until you activate Petaya Berry. Then, proceed to sweep. Bug Buzz is going to be Ledyba's main form of doing damage. Hidden Power Flying hits Fighting-types for super effective damage and gains STAB. It also hits Levitating Ghost-types. Hidden Power Ground hits Fire-, Electric-, Steel-, and Poison-types super effectively. Baton Pass can be used as a last ditch effort to pass Ledyba's boosts when you think Ledyba's time is done.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>Rapid Spin support isn't nessecary for this set, but it is still recommended, so Squirtle and Baltoy are great teammates. However, Stealth Rock and dual screens support are a huge help. Lead Kabuto and Phanpy are two excellent Stealth Rock users to use on a team with Ledyba. Bronzor is also a fine choice, since it can support Ledyba with both Stealth Rock and dual screens. Heatproof Bronzor can actually prove useful with Ledyba, since it will lure in Ground-type moves. Dual screening Electric-types, like Mareep, are good teammates as well, since they draw in Electric-type moves like honey to ants. If you are running Baton Pass, having a special sweeper that can take advantage of the Petaya boost is always nice. Houndour and Gastly are two great examples.</p>

    [TEAM OPTIONS]

    <p>Rapid Spin support is extremely helpful, no matter what set you are running. Baltoy is easily the best choice, since it resists Rock-type moves and is immune to Electric-type moves. Squirtle is also a good choice, since it can come in easily on Ice- and Fire-type moves. Kabuto is a fine choice too, since it can also use Stealth Rock.</p>

    <p>Support sets work best on teams with sweepers that can take advantage of it the best. Cubone, Numel, and Bidoof are excellent Baton Pass recievers. Cubone's low Speed but high Attack with Think Club makes it an excellent Agility reciever. Bidoof and Numel both have Simple, doubling the boosts they recieve. However, only your creativity limits what you can pass to. Nasty Plot Houndour is a great partner to the dual screens set. It can use Fire-type moves thrown at Ledyba for a Flash Fire boost and set up. Dratini can come in on Fire- and Electric-type moves and use Dragon Dance, as can Larvitar. Aron easily switches in on Rock- and Ice-type moves. Totodile, Chinchou and Mantyke also greatly appreciate dual screens, so they are fine options.</p>

    <p>Sweeping sets greatly appreciate dual screens and Stealth Rock being up. Bronzor and Baltoy are two great options for both, and Baltoy can use Rapid Spin to remove Stealth Rock. Lead Phanpy, Omanyte, and Kabuto are great options for setting up Stealth Rock. Dual screens Pokemon weak to Ground- and Fighting-type moves, such as Heatproof Bronzor, are excellent options. These moves are the best moves for Ledyba to come in on.</p>

    [Other Changes]

    <p>Ledyba has a rather big movepool, so it has quite a few other options. Refresh can be used to remove status from Ledyba. Knock Off is useful if you want to remove an opponents item, but it's only medicore in Little Cup. Protect can be used for scouting or if you are using Ledyba as a lead. Tailwind is like Agility for the whole team, but three turns is often too short to take full advantage of. Focus Punch can be used with Substitute and Swords Dance for a gimmicky SubPunch set. Brick Break can be used if you don't like Mach Punch's base power. Return and Double-Edge are always decent options. Drain Punch and Giga Drain are interesting choices, but useally not good enough to make it onto a set.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Countering Baton Pass Ledyba is very difficult if it has a Substitute up. If you have something faster with Encore, like Abra, you can try to Encore it, but if it has used Agility, it probably won't be staying in. Ledyba doesn't run any priority on the Baton Pass set, so hitting it with moves like Ice Shard and Aqua Jet is a safe bet. In fact, just attacking is probably your best option. The dual screens set is stopped by Brick Break, but Ledyba can easily Encore it. Taunt users, like Stunky, do very well against these sets. Also, anything innitially faster with Ledyba that isn't using a Choice item can do a fair job of scaring Ledyba off.</p>

    <p>Swords Dance Ledyba without Ice Punch is beaten by Phanpy easily. Chinchou also does well against it thanks to STAB Thunderbolt and its natural bulk. The Swarming Sweeper is very weak to priority, so anything with priority not named Mach Punch or Vacuum Wave can handle it. Munchlax and Mantyke can stop it thanks to their huge Special Defense.</p>
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