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I mean..I don't see why we should hide? If there's a Japanese, Sports, Chess, Health and Fitness chat, why not an LGBT one? It isn't the point about what would be discussed. It's more of: bring awareness, and as I said before let other LGBT players know they aren't alone. In Fitness and Health they mostly talk about whatever lol

Also, there are trolls in every chat. I'm sure that will never change.
 

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I mean..I don't see why we should hide? If there's a Japanese, Sports, Chess, Health and Fitness chat, why not an LGBT one? It isn't the point about what would be discussed. It's more of: bring awareness, and as I said before let other LGBT players know they aren't alone. In Fitness and Health they mostly talk about whatever lol

Also, there are trolls in every chat. I'm sure that will never change.
I think it has to do with the topic's controversy (sadly lol), so it's assumed that trolls would be more prominent than they would be in any other PS chat, that's why I feel they're opposed to it. Although, I think a Discord one would be nice, it's much easier to moderate in case any troll shows up and stuff. Also, I'm sure there will be a lot of topics to talk about, given that it is a more casual enviroment than in a forum, which also involves dynamism and such :P
 
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An invite only discord chan doesn't sound bad. safer semi-private space, controlled access. its a nice place to negotiate with the everyday that might not suit a forum conversation.
 

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I mean..I don't see why we should hide? If there's a Japanese, Sports, Chess, Health and Fitness chat, why not an LGBT one? It isn't the point about what would be discussed. It's more of: bring awareness, and as I said before let other LGBT players know they aren't alone. In Fitness and Health they mostly talk about whatever lol

Also, there are trolls in every chat. I'm sure that will never change.
I'll give you a PS policy admin perspective.

The Japanese (and other language rooms) exist because they're spaces for people of those languages/cultures/regions to congregate and talk in their native/preferred language. They're essentially byproducts of PS being an English-first website.

The rest you listed (Sports, et al) are hobby rooms.

The remaining rooms on PS can be broken into competitive/play rooms (i.e. Pokemon rooms) and general lifestyle (e.g. THP, and you could argue H&F goes here, too). LGBTQ+ could fit into the lifestyle category, but THP is broad enough to be a stand-in for Lifestyle with a capital L, meaning it's an appropriate place to discuss "life" and your personal experiences.

We start to wade into the "what about x" territory when discussing making an LGBTQ+ room. "What about political affiliation rooms?" "What about minority group rooms?"

On the whole, we try our best to make PS as accepting of everyone already regardless of who they are, without needing to resort to making special rooms to accommodate them.
 
Lobby policy people got into a discussion about it on our own and came to the relative same conclusion, if that means anything to anyone. I don't want to talk more policy than is necessary outside of specifically ordained zones for it, but trust me when I say avenues towards a public LGBTQ+ room have been discussed deeply by many people on PS staff from the lowest on the totem pole to the higher ups.
 
Lobby policy people got into a discussion about it on our own and came to the relative same conclusion, if that means anything to anyone. I don't want to talk more policy than is necessary outside of specifically ordained zones for it, but trust me when I say avenues towards a public LGBTQ+ room have been discussed deeply by many people on PS staff from the lowest on the totem pole to the higher ups.

That is good to hear.
 
I think it has to do with the topic's controversy (sadly lol), so it's assumed that trolls would be more promiment than they would be in any other PS chat, that's why I feel they're opposed to it. Although, I think a Discord one would be nice, it's much easier to moderate in case any troll shows up and stuff. Also, I'm sure there will be a lot of topics to talk about, given that it is a more casual enviroment than in a forum, which also involves dynamism and such :P


Posho, do we know each other? I feel like we were in a league or something together...
 

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August Ames, a pornstar recently killed herself after making some comments on twitter in which she admitted she wouldn't do a scene with a man who has done gay porn due to the increased risk of STDs. This led to a lot of outrage from the LGBTQ community which led to online bullying, and general harassment. I think that this is overall a pretty bad look for the community at large, and considering how often they deal with the same things online, overall pretty insensitive. What are your thoughts on this?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/50835...orn-starlet-passes-away-her-husband-confirms/

her twitter for reference: https://twitter.com/augustamesxxx
 
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This isn't a "bad look for the community" this kind of thing happens all the time. Online bullying is the culprit, that happens in every subset and every community, and is pretty much in the top 5 uses of Twitter, ie. it's way easier to throw an insult in 280 characters than criticism. It's sad ya, and if it had been an lgbt celebrity that committed suicide because of bullying i'd be a bit more sad about it because i'd be able to relate more.

Your question is basically like asking my Muslim friend "did you hear about how some Muslims beheaded a gay guy in Iran last night, doesn't make your community look good."
 

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There's a fair amount of layers to it and Oglemi covers a good part of how it's online harassment that's a problem but it's such a weird beast when it's just "Someone says shitty thing in a very public space thousands of people hear about it and express frustration and anger at the person for said shitty thing all at once." I'm sure a great many people went over the line in expressing their anger and frustration but are they not justified to be angry about something like that? Are people supposed to just roll over and be like "yes this is all very fine" when people say homophobic shit. Keep in mind for these people this isn't an isolated event for them, this is one statement in a long line of daily sometimes hourly statements about how x random person thinks something horrible about them for literally no reason. That said, for August it could very well be an isolated homophobic thing and it wasn't as bad as all that, and she didn't deserve to be exposed to the volume of anger and backlash. So in this situation what do you do? Who is to blame? Honestly the solution isn't in the behaviors and attitudes needing fixing it's a problem inherent to the platform of social media. It's hard to reconcile that a public conversation amongst a small following of people who like could be shown to thousands of people who may not at all like you or what you have to say in the slightest. Maybe there's a solution to have where twitter can filter out a high volume of responses from people who don't follow you so that something like this doesn't happen anymore (but twitter has been very reticent to implement anything of the sort and thus their harassment problem continues to grow and fester).
 

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Hey so recently in Australia, the results of our same sex marriage survey were announced. 62% of voters were in favour of changing the laws!! This is a huge result and a step in the right direction towards marriage equality here in Australia. It's not legalised yet, but is currently being debated in the Australian Senate and is on track to be legalised by Christmas. I'm so proud of my country and so happy for everyone.
Australia now has same sex marriage! It's been legalised today! Woohoo!
 
I don’t have a long story to accompany this post because I’ve never felt super conflicted or anything, but I’ve now come out to all family, friends, and coworkers (the ones I interact with). Everyone seems fine with my being gay and are supportive of me.

I’m currently seeing a guy and we are headed to Disney this weekend. :)

P.S. gay senior staff conspiracy yaddayadda
 

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Hahaha. Way to leave out every bit of context. That's a huge insult to us.

When people like Ben Shapiro and Milo, among others, use their platforms to bully LGBT+ people under the guise of "free speech", we hear crickets from people like you. When people give JT Brown (black hockey player) death threats for peacefully protesting, we hear crickets from people like you. And when this happened, we got, "SJWs are murderers! The LGBT+ community wants everyone to conform to their views and exterminate you if you don't! This is another attack on free speech from the tolerant left!"

When an LGBT+ person expresses disgust about being bullied, the right simultaneously labels them as a triggered bluepilled libtard SJW snowflake cuck who needs a safe space and a dangerous terrorist hell-bent on destroying free speech. Because the targeted person is just way too sensitive about being politically incorrect, as is the standard for the entitled generation, apparently. Then Ames kills herself, and because it fits your narrative, all of a sudden, bullying is suddenly bad?

Bullying is not a partisan issue, no matter how much the right tries to make it seem. It doesn't matter who it's coming from; it should not happen, and there must be better efforts to stop it. Indeed, one of Ames's colleagues (Jaxton Wheeler) did send her a death threat. That's completely unacceptable, and he should be permanently out of a job for it. Conversely, another one of Ames's colleagues (Aspen Brooks) simply explained that she accepted Ames's views despite not agreeing with them. Although Brooks said that in a completely non-aggressive way, the following morning, she faced death threats herself. Brooks did absolutely nothing wrong, and people are doing to her what was done to Ames, only this time it's apparently acceptable. Conversely, the people who disagreed with Ames's viewpoints still seem very shocked at what transpired and are outraged at the bullying that took place (myself included). The double standards and hypocrisy are outrageous. I rest my case.

(just had to fix a minor grammar mistake; hope I don't get fired from GP for it lol)
 
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Hahaha. Way to leave out every bit of context. That's a huge insult to us.

When people like Ben Shapiro and Milo, among others, use their platforms to bully LGBT+ people under the guise of "free speech", we hear crickets from people like you. When people give JT Brown (black hockey player) death threats for peacefully protesting, we hear crickets from people like you. And when this happened, we got, "SJWs are murderers! The LGBT+ community wants everyone to conform to their views and exterminate you if you don't! This is another attack on free speech from the tolerant left!"

When an LGBT+ person expresses disgust about being bullied, the right simultaneously labels them as a triggered bluepilled libtard SJW snowflake cuck who needs a safe space and a dangerous terrorist hell-bent on destroying free speech. Because the targeted person is just way too sensitive about being politically incorrect, as is the standard for the entitled generation, apparently. Then Ames kills herself, and because it fits your narrative, all of a sudden, bullying is suddenly bad?

Bullying is not a partisan issue, no matter how much the right tries to make it seem. It doesn't matter who it's coming from; it should not happen, and there must be better efforts to stop it. Indeed, one of Ames's colleagues (Jaxton Wheeler) did send her a death threat. That's completely unacceptable, and he should be permanently out of a job for it. Conversely, another one of Ames's colleagues (Aspen Brooks) simply explained that she accepted Ames's views despite not agreeing with them. Although Brooks said that in a completely non-aggressive way, the following morning, she faced death threats herself. Brooks did absolutely nothing wrong, and people are doing to her what was done to Ames, only this time it's apparently acceptable. Conversely, the people who disagreed with Ames's viewpoints still seem very shocked at what transpired and are outraged at the bullying that took place (myself included). The double standards and hypocrisy are outrageous. I rest my case.

(just had to fix a minor grammar mistake; hope I don't get fired from GP for it lol)
So a few hours later, apparently Brooks had to delete all of her social media pages b/c somebody threatened that he would kill her when she gets discharged from the hospital; she had her tonsils out, and the guy who made the threat knows where the hospital is. And once again, crickets.

I also failed to notice that some outrage was directed at Brooks telling Ames to "suck [her] dick" or something like that, but that's hardly bullying. Ames getting mad at that is the same thing that the right loves to attack "SJW"s for. Now a song to mark the occasion: