LC Lileep

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[OVERVIEW]

Lileep is arguably one of the best Water-type checks in LC. It has access to Storm Drain, a very handy tool that lets it absorb Water-type moves and boost its already decent Special Attack by one stage; this allows Lileep to check the majority of Water-types in the tier, such as Chinchou, Mareanie, Tirtouga, and Corphish. It also sports impressive natural bulk that is further boosted by Eviolite, which lets it switch in on moves that are weak or are resisted with ease. Furthermore, it has access to Stealth Rock, which is very useful to weaken the opposing team, and Lileep can easily set it up thanks to its bulk and its ability. On top of that, Giga Drain and Recover both grant it a solid form of recovery and the possibility to stay around for much longer. However, like most defensive Pokemon, Lileep has poor Speed, meaning that it will almost always take a hit before moving, and despite its decent Special Attack it suffers from a mediocre damage output, even after a Storm Drain boost. While it has impressive bulk, its typing leaves it weak to common Steel-, Fighting-, and Ice-type moves, with the last one being quite a nuisance because almost any Water-types that Lileep checks tends to carry Ice Beam. Finally, its tanking abilities are severely hindered by both Knock Off and Toxic.

[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Recover
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Ancient Power / Earth Power / Toxic
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Bold
evs: 68 HP / 220 Def / 108 SpA / 60 SpD / 12 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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Recover is the most important move on this set because it gives Lileep a solid form of recovery to stay in for longer. Giga Drain acts as a secondary form of recovery while doing damage at the same time, and it can be used to weaken the opposing Water-types that Lileep checks; for example, it can 2HKO Slowpoke, Staryu, and Corphish. Stealth Rock is used to inflict chip damage whenever the opponent switches a Pokemon in, and it works well with Lileep's ability to force out Water-types. For the last slot, Ancient Power is a STAB move that allows Lileep to hit Flying-types such as Doduo, Rufflet, and Archen. On the other hand, Earth Power allows Lileep to hit opposing Steel-types such as Magnemite, Pawniard and Honedge. Finally, Toxic puts opposing walls such as Munchlax and Spritzee on a timer and is a good source of chip damage in tandem with Stealth Rock; however, keep in mind that the damage from Toxic adds up very slowly because of LC's low HP stats.

Set Details
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The given EV spread when used with Eviolite maximizes Lileep's bulk; a Bold nature further boosts Lileep's Defense, allowing it to sponge physical hits better; its special bulk is not a thing to underestimate too, as when Lileep is equipped with Eviolite, it can avoid the 2HKO from Choice Scarf Chinchou's Ice Beam and OHKO Chinchou in return after Stealth Rock. 108 Special Attack EVs guarantee that Lileep can 2HKO Steel-types such as Magnemite and Pawniard most of the time with Earth Power. 12 Speed EVs let Lileep Speed tie with Spritzee and let it outspeed Munchlax, allowing Lileep to use Toxic on it before it can do anything. Storm Drain is useful to absorb Water-type moves and boost Lileep's Special Attack by one stage whenever it's hit by said moves.

Usage Tips
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Lileep can be directly switched in on Water-type moves because it can absorb them and boost its Special Attack to good levels. It can come in on a plethora of Water-types, such as Chinchou, Mareanie, Tirtouga, Corphish (but it still dislikes Knock Off), and Carvanha. It can also check Foongus, Ponyta, and Ferroseed—be wary of Iron Head and Knock Off though—and can easily set up Stealth Rock on any of them. Recover should be used on any predicted switch, as it restores Lileep's health, allowing it to stay around for longer; Lileep has no trouble pulling Recover off thanks to its unique set of resistances. When facing a Water-type, Lileep should prioritize setting up Stealth Rock because it can afford to take an Ice Beam. After Stealth Rock has been set up, Lileep should either switch out or start using Giga Drain to restore its health. Note that a boosted Giga Drain can hit the majority of Water-types hard. Be wary of set up sweepers like Scraggy, Timburr, and Spritzee coming in on Lileep and starting to set up, as Lileep can't do anything to stop them, and this could potentially allow them to sweep your entire team.

Team Options
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Hippopotas is an exceptional partner because it can remove Steel-types for Lileep, but most importantly because it has access to Sand Stream, which sets sand to boost Lileep's Special Defense by 50%; in exchange, Lileep stops the Water-types that scare Hippopotas away. Partners that can handle Fighting-types are appreciated because Lileep has issues against them. Snubbull is a prime example, boasting Intimidate and a Fairy typing to come in on them. Spritzee lacks Intimidate, but it can heal Lileep's possible status ailments thanks to Aromatherapy and can KO most Fighting-types with Moonblast. Pawniard is difficult for Lileep to face if it lacks Earth Power, and even if it has the move, the Special Defense drop can trigger Defiant. Fighting-types such as Timburr and Mienfoo pair well with Lileep because they stop Pawniard; Timburr is a bit better because it can stop set up sweepers thanks to its priority moves and can also remove Pawniard. Lileep is a nice partner for Pokemon that struggle against bulky Water-types; examples are Carvanha, Ponyta, and Corphish, which can easily wallbreak or clean when Water-types have been removed or weakened. While not mandatory, Lileep likes the presence of a Defog or Rapid Spin user because it dislikes taking damage from entry hazards. Phazers like Roar Mudbray and Haze users such as Mareanie can prevent setup sweepers from sweeping your team after setting up on Lileep; both of them also check Fighting- and Steel-types and, in Mudbray's case, it also forces the foe to take damage from the Stealth Rock that Lileep sets. Speaking of entry hazards, more of them are useful for Lileep, doing some chip damage to the foe; the aforementioned Mareanie can set up Toxic Spikes, while Dwebble can set up Spikes.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Lileep has access to Curse to boost its Attack and Defense; however, this set is more susceptible to burns and Intimidate and does not use Storm Drain to its maximum potential. Lileep doesn't have many viable coverage options, but it can run a Hidden Power to specifically hit some Pokemon, such as Hidden Power Fire for Ferroseed and Grass-types in general, and Hidden Power Fighting for more damage against Pawniard and to hit Dark-types super effectively; however, these moves are difficult to fit in a slot because Lileep needs Recover, its STAB move, and either Earth Power or Stealth Rock. Mirror Coat can surprise an opponent and remove a special sweeper such as Gastly or Abra: however, this can work just once because it can only work with a surprise factor. Finally, Lileep has access to Sandstorm and can act as a secondary weather setter for dedicated sand teams; unfortunately, it lacks a moveslot for it.

Checks and Counters
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**Steel-types**: Lileep has a hard time against Steel-types because it can only hit them with Earth Power. Magnemite can take a Earth Power thanks to Sturdy and severely damage Lileep with STAB Flash Cannon. Pawniard hates taking an Earth Power, but it can KO Lileep with STAB Iron Head or remove its Eviolite with a powerful Knock Off.

**Fighting-types**: Fighting-types outspeed Lileep and severely damage it with a STAB move. Timburr can come in on Toxic and activate Guts, severely hurting Lileep with STAB Drain Punch. Croagunk walls Lileep lacking Earth Power and can use it to set up Nasty Plot.

**Grass-types**: Lileep has nothing to hit Grass-types beside the rare Hidden Power Fire. Ferroseed can set up entry hazards on Lileep, is immune to Toxic, and can threaten Lileep with Iron Head or Knock Off. Foongus fears nothing from Lileep and can hit it with Sludge Bomb. Due to Lileep's passivity, Snivy can use it to boost its Special Attack with Contrary Leaf Storm without fearing anything from Lileep.

**Setup Sweepers**: Lileep is quite passive; this makes it a setup bait for Pokemon such as Bulk Up Timburr, Dragon Dance Scraggy, and Swords Dance Mienfoo.

**Toxic Poison**: While it doesn't mind being paralyzed or burned, Lileep hates being poisoned; both Toxic and Toxic Spikes can heavily reduce Lileep's longevity.
 
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[OVERVIEW]
  • Mention that its defensive typing is not very good, as it leaves it weak to common offensive types in Fighting, Steel, and Ice. Especially the latter one is a problem, since many Water-types like Staryu and Chinchou that it would otherwise be able to check carry Ice-type coverage, making it much harder for Lileep to stay in.
  • Mention that it is quite passive, meaning it can be set up bait for certain Pokemon, such as Timburr, Scraggy, and Calm Mind Spritzee.
  • Mention specifically why Lileep suffers from Knock Off more than other Pokemon (losing its Eviolite greatly lowers its bulk)

[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Recover
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Ancient Power / Earth Power / Toxic
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Bold
evs: 68 HP / 220 Def / 108 SpA / 60 SpD / 12 Spe
ivs: 0 Atk

I think the ability to hit Steel-types is better than the ability to slightly cripple defensive mons, as Toxic ramps up very slowly due to LCs low HP stats.

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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  • Don't say 'most important move', that's filler text and doesn't add anything. Just say that Recover allows Lileep to heal itself and greatly increase its longevity.
  • Mention that Giga Drain and Ancient Power get STAB
  • Mention that Giga Drain also hits the Water-types that Lileep can check super effectively, 2HKOing Slowpoke, Staryu, and Corphish
  • Switch the order of Earth Power and Toxic descriptions around to match the new order in the set.
  • Mention that Toxic takes a long time to ramp up in damage due to LC's low HP stats.

Set Details
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  • Mention examples of calcs that these EVs and nature hit in combination with Eviolite, such as avoiding the 2HKO from Pawniard while OHKOing back after Stealth Rock with Earth Power, and almost always avoiding the 2HKO from Scarf Chinchou's Ice Beam, also while usually OHKOing back with Giga Drain after Stealth Rock.
  • Mention Storm Drain and why it is useful

Usage Tips
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  • Remove Staryu from the list of Water-types Lileep can come into, as it often carries Ice Beam and a Life Orb, which will 2HKO Lileep. In its place, add Mareanie
  • Mention other Pokemon that Lileep can check, such as Foongus lacking HP Fighting, Ponyta, and Ferroseed. Lileep can also set up Stealth Rock on any of these Pokemon.
  • Be wary of set up sweepers like Scraggy, Timburr, and Spritzee coming in on Lileep and starting to set up, as Lileep can't do anything to stop them and this could potentially allow them to sweep your team.

Team Options
========
  • Mention phazers like Roar Mudbray and Haze users such as Mareanie can prevent set up sweepers from sweeping your team after setting up on Lileep. Both of them also check Fighting- and Steel-types.
  • Mention Pokemon that appreciate Lileep checking bulky Waters, such as Mienfoo, Ponyta, or Corphish, as Lileep can potentially enable them to wallbreak or clean
  • You have a typo: 'Fighiting-types such as Timburr'

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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  • Mention Mirror Coat as an option to catch special attackers off guard, but it will only work a maximum of once in a match and is thus usually inferior to the listed moves.
  • Mention other interesting support options, such as Confuse Ray, Worry Seed, Sunny Day, and Sandstorm, and say that Lileep struggles to find a moveslot for them.

Checks and Counters
===================
  • Mention that the STAB moves from Steel- and Fighting-types hit Lileep super effectively.
  • Ferroseed never runs Gyro Ball, so it can't really do much to Lileep. In stead, just mention that it can set up hazards on it. Also mention that Lileep can return the favour with its own Stealth Rock.
  • Change the status ailments section to a Poison section, as it is the only status you talk about.
  • Mention set up sweepers, as they can set up on Lileep and potentially sweep your team.
Implement all this and then QC 1/3
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In general, make sure you're adding your own sentences when a QC member checks your analysis. Don't copy what they say word for word.

Set Details:
- Talk about the nature and EVs in one sentence when you write this up
- Mention Storm Drain as Thunderboy said
- Not really sure what went wrong with the Pawniard mentions here but they're just not true. AD Thunderboy do your calcs better noob
156 Atk Pawniard Iron Head vs. 68 HP / 220+ Def Eviolite Lileep: 14-18 (58.3 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Lileep Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 116 SpD Eviolite Pawniard: 10-12 (47.6 - 57.1%) -- 12.1% chance to 2HKO
0 SpA Lileep Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Pawniard: 14-18 (66.6 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Usage Tips:
- Remove Dewpider from the list of Waters as it beats Lileep with a bug STAB
- Lileep doesn't care about HP Fighting from Foongus at all. Sludge Bomb does more damage and can poison.
- Mention something about using Recover often to keep Lileep healthy

Team Options:
- Toxic isn't really relevant enough to make that a good reason to use Timburr over Mienfoo. A better reason might be that Timburr can stop set-up sweepers thanks to its priority.
- Mienfoo doesn't care about most Water-types, use a different example
- Remove the Toxic Spikes mention, not relevant enough to include here
- Add Hippopotas. It takes care of Steel-types for Lileep, but more importantly it sets up Sandstorm that boosts Lileep's Special Defense.

Other Options:
- I don't think anything in that last bullet point is worth mentioning except maybe Sandstorm for dedicated sand teams.

Checks and Counters:
- Timburr can't OHKO Lileep, rephrase that part a bit.
- Don't mention HP Fighting when talking about Foongus
- Definitely mention Snivy in the Grass-types as it abuses Lileeps passive nature with Contrary Leaf Storm
- Replace Calm Mind Spritzee with DD Scraggy as its much more common and CM Spritzee doesn't like Toxic

Looking good, go ahead and write this up after you make the changes! QC 2/3 :toast:
 

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Overview
* Remove the "if not the" part of your first sentence, there are easily better Water-type checks in practice although not necessarily on paper (like Croagunk and Chinchou).
* I'd remove Frillish as an example of a Pokemon Lileep checks. Not sure that it's relevant enough to warrant a mention.
* Change 'astonishing bulk' to something like 'impressive bulk' - this is because the word astonishing sort of sounds like it has negative connotations behind it in some cases, when really you're emphasizing Lileep's good bulk.

Set
Looks good

Moves
Looks solid as well

Set Details
* Give examples of specific Steel-types 2HKOed by Earth Power with the given Special Attack investment, since Ferroseed is definitely an exception.

Usage Tips
* Again, remove Frillish as an example since it isn't as relevant as the other mons you have mentioned. If you want, you can feel free to give a more relevant example, like maybe Carvanha or Kabuto.
* Mention that Lileep should be wary of Iron Head and/or Knock Off from Ferroseed.
* " Lileep has no trouble pulling it off thanks to its unique asset of resistances." - this sentence is a little unclear. What exactly are you suggesting Lileep can pull off? I believe its forcing switches, but this should nonetheless be made a little clearer.

Team Options
* I honestly was under the impression that at first, in talking about additional entry hazards, you meant Pokemon that could support Lileep in providing the team with a hazard alongside Lileep's Stealth Rock. In all honesty, it doesn't make sense to put two Stealth Rock users on a team, so other Pokemon that set up Stealth Rock really shouldn't be used as examples. I'd mention stuff like Mareanie, which sets up Toxic Spikes, and Dwebble, which can set up Spikes in addition to Lileep's Stealth Rock.

Other Options
Looks good

Checks and Counters
* Change "Bulk Up / Swords Dance Mienfoo" to just Swords Dance Mienfoo, since it rarely runs BU nowadays.
* Add when talking about Ferroseed say that it can threaten Lileep with Knock Off and/or Iron Head, and remove the part where you say it can't do much in return since it'll always have at least one of those moves.

Implement these changes and you'll have my 3/3
good work, try writing up Alolan Grimer so I can bring that out of QC for you soon as well
 
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[OVERVIEW]


Lileep is arguably one of the best Water-type checks existing in LC; in fact, it has access to Storm Drain, a very handy tool that lets it absorb Water-type moves and to (original sounds like Storm Drain itself grants the boost) boost its already decent Special Attack by one stage; this allows Lileep to check the majority of Water-types running around the tier, such as Chinchou, Mareanie, Tirtouga, and Corphish. It also sports an impressive natural bulk, (RC) that is further boosted by Eviolite, which lets it switch in on resisted or weak moves it resists or can sponge with ease. ("moves it can sponge" already implies that it can switch into them) Furthermore, it has access to Stealth Rock, which is very useful to weaken the opposing team, and Lileep can easily set it up thanks to its bulk and its ability. On top of that, it has access to Giga Drain and Recover, (RC) both of which ("it has access to" is repetitive) grant it a solid form of recovery and the possibility to stay around for much longer. However, no Pokemon can claim to be perfect, and Lileep is not an exception: as with most defensive Pokemon, Lileep has poor Speed, meaning it will almost always take a hit before moving; it is a passive Pokemon with a mediocre damage output and won’t dish out insane amount of damage even after a Storm Drain boost. While it has an impressive bulk, its typing leaves it weak to common Steel-, Fighting-, and Ice-type moves, with the latter one last being quite a nuisance because almost any Water-types Lileep would check carry carries Ice Beam. Finally, its tanking abilities are severely hindered by both Knock Off and Toxic.

[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Recover
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Ancient Power / Earth Power / Toxic
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Bold
evs: 68 HP / 220 Def / 108 SpA / 60 SpD / 12 Spe
ivs: 0 Atk

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Recover is the most important move on the set because it gives Lileep a solid form of recovery to stay in for longer. Giga Drain acts as a secondary form of recovery while doing damage at the same time, (RC) and can be used to weaken the opposing Water-types it can check; for example, it can 2HKO Slowpoke, Staryu, and Corphish. Stealth Rock are is used to inflict chip damage whenever the opponent switches a Pokemon in, and it works well with Lileep’s ability to scare out Water-types. For the last slot, Ancient Power is a STAB move that allows Lileep to hit Flying-types such as Doduo, Rufflet, and Archen. (RP) On the other hand, while Earth Power allows Lileep to hit opposing Steel-types such as Magnemite, Pawniard, (AC) and Honedge. Finally, Toxic puts opposing walls such as Munchlax and Spritzee on a timer, (RC) and is a good source of chip damage in tandem with Stealth Rock; however, keep in mind that the damage from Toxic adds up very slowly because of LC Pokemon's low HP stats.

Set Details
========

The defensive EVs spread hits Eviolite numbers, maximizing Lileep’s Lileep's (use the ASCII apostrophe) bulk: a Bold nature further boosts its Defense, allowing Lileep to sponge physical hits better; its special bulk is not a thing to underestimate too either ("too" indicates that we can underestimate the previously mentioned physical bulk), (RC) because when Lileep is equipped with an Eviolite, it can avoid the 2HKO from Choice Scarf Chinchou's Ice Beam, (RC) while in return usually OHKOing it Chinchou after Stealth Rock. 108 Special Attack EVs guarantee that Lileep can 2HKO Steel-types such as Magnemite and Pawniard most of the time with Earth Power. 12 Speed EVs let Lileep Speed tie with Spritzee and outspeeds Munchlax, allowing Lileep to Toxic it before they it can do anything. Storm Drain is useful to absorb Water-type moves and to boost Lileep's Special Attack by 1 stage whenever it's hit by said moves.

Usage Tips
========

Lileep can be directly switched in on Water-type moves because it can absorbs them and boost its SpA Special Attack to good levels (or clarify what exactly is "good levels"). It can come in on a plethora of Water-types, such as Chinchou, Mareanie, Tirtouga, Corphish (but it dislikes Knock Off), and Carvanha; it can also check Foongus, Ponyta, and Ferroseed (be ware wary of Iron Head and Knock Off), and can easily setting (repetitive) up Stealth Rock on any of them. Recover should be used on any predicted switch, as it restores Lileep's health, allowing it Lileep to stay around for longer; Lileep has no trouble pulling Recover off (perhaps making full/proper use of Recover would be better) thanks to its unique asset (do you mean "set" here?) of resistances. When facing a Water-type, Lileep should prioritize in setting up Stealth Rock because it can afford to take an Ice Beam. After Stealth Rock has been set up, then Lileep should either switch out, (RC) or start using Giga Drain to restore its health. Note that a boosted Giga Drain can hit the majority of Water-types hard. Be wary of set(remove space)up sweepers like Scraggy, Timburr, and Spritzee coming in on Lileep and starting to set up, as Lileep can't do anything to stop them and this could potentially allow them to sweep your entire team.

Team Options
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Hippopotas is an exceptional partner because it can remove Steel-types for Lileep, but most more importantly, (AC) because it has access to Sand Stream, which boosts Lileep's Special Defense by 50%; in exchange, Lileep stops the Water-types that scare Hippopotas away. Partners that can handle Fighting-types are appreciated because Lileep has issues against them. Snubbull is a prime example, boasting Intimidate and a Fairy-typing (remove hyphen) to come in on them.; (period -> semicolon) Spritzee lacks Intimidate, but it can heal Lileep from Poison thanks to Aromatherapy and can KO most Fighting-types with Moonblast. Pawniard is difficult for Lileep to face if it lacks Earth Power, and even if it has the move, the Special Defense drop can trigger Defiant. Fighting-types such as Timburr and Mienfoo pair well with Lileep because they stop Pawniard; Timburr is a bit better because it can also stop set(remove space)up sweepers thanks to its priority moves and can also remove Pawniard (beating Pawniard was already mentioned before the semicolon). Lileep is a nice partner for Pokémon Pokemon (don't use an accent) who that struggle against bulky Water-types; examples are Carvanha, Ponyta, and Corphish, which can easily wallbreak or clean when Water-types have been removed or weakened. While not mandatory, Lileep likes the presence of a Defog or Rapid Spin user, (RC) because it dislikes taking damage from entry hazards. Phazers like Roar Mudbray and Haze users such as Mareanie can prevent stop set(remove space)up sweepers from sweeping your team after setting up on Lileep; both of them also check Fighting- and Steel-types, (AC) and, (RC) in Mudbray’s case, it also forces the opponent foe (opponent = the other player; foe = the opposing Pokemon) to take damage from the Stealth Rock Lileep sets up. Speaking of entry hazards, more of them are useful for to Lileep, doing some chip damage to the opponent foe; the aforementioned Mareanie can set up Toxic Spikes, while Dwebble can set up Spikes.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Lileep has access to Curse to boost its Attack and Defense; however, this set is more susceptible to burns and Intimidate, and it does not make full use of Storm Drain to its maximum (original wording sounds awkward). Lileep has not doesn't have many coverage options worth a moveslot, (RC) but can run an Hidden Power to specifically hit some Pokemon, such as Hidden Power Fire for Ferroseed and Grass-types, (AC) in general, or Hidden Power Fighting for more damage on Pawniard and to hit Dark-types super effectively; however, these moves are difficult to fit in a moveslot, (RC) because Lileep needs Recover, its STAB moves, and Earth Power or Stealth Rock. Mirror Coat can surprise an opponent and remove a special sweeper such as Gastly or Abra:; (colon->semicolon) however, this can work just once because it can only work with the surprise factor. Finally, Lileep has access to Sandstorm, and so it can act as a secondary or backup weather setter for dedicated sand teams; unfortunately, it lacks a the needed moveslot for it.

Checks and Counters
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**Steel-types**: Lileep has a hard time against Steel-types, (RC) because it can hit them only with Earth Power. Magnemite can take an Earth Power thanks to Sturdy and severely damage Lileep with STAB Flash Cannon. Pawniard hates taking an Earth Power, (RC) but can KO Lileep with STAB Iron Head or remove its Eviolite with a powerful Knock Off.

**Fighting-types**: Fighting-types outspeed Lileep and severely damage it with a STAB move. Timburr can come in on Toxic and activate Guts, severely hurting Lileep with STAB Drain Punch. Croagunk walls Lileep lacking Earth Power, (RC) and can use it to set up Nasty Plot.

**Grass-types**: Lileep has nothing to hit Grass-types besides the rare Hidden Power Fire. Ferroseed can set up entry hazards on Lileep, is immune to Toxic, and can threaten Lileep with Iron Head or Knock Off. Foongus fears nothing from Lileep, (RC) and can hit it with Hidden Power Fighting. Due to Lileep's passivity, Snivy can use it to boost its Specail Special Attack with Contrary Leaf Storm without fearing anything from Lileep.

**Setup Sweepers**: As precedently saw, Lileep is quite passive: this makes it a setup bait for Pokemon such as Bulk Up Timburr, Dragon Dance Scraggy, and Swords Dance Mienfoo.

**Toxic Poison**: While it doesn't mind being paralyzed or burned, Lileep hates being poisoned; both Toxic and Toxic Spikes can heavily reduce Lileep's longevity
 
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[OVERVIEW]
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Lileep is arguably one of the best Water-type checks existing in LC. (AP); (RSC) in fact, (RC) It has access to Storm Drain, a very handy tool that lets it absorb Water-type moves and boost its already decent Special Attack by one stage; this allows Lileep to check the majority of Water-types running around in the tier, such as Chinchou, Mareanie, Tirtouga, and Corphish. It also sports an impressive natural bulk, (RC) that is further boosted by Eviolite, which lets it switch in on moves that are weak or are resisted it resists or can sponge with ease. Furthermore, it has access to Stealth Rock, which is very useful to weaken the opposing team, and Lileep can easily set it up thanks to its bulk and its ability. On top of that, it has access to Giga Drain and Recover, (RC) both of which grant it a solid form of recovery and the possibility to stay around for much longer. However, no Pokemon can claim to be perfect, and Lileep is not an exception: as like most defensive Pokemon, Lileep has poor Speed, meaning that it will almost always take a hit before moving; it is a passive Pokemon with a mediocre damage output (but you said earlier in the paragraph that it has a decent Special Attack stat?) and won't dish out an insane amount of damage, (AC) even after a Storm Drain boost. While it has an impressive bulk, its typing leaves it weak to common Steel-, Fighting-, and Ice-type moves, with the latter last one being quite a nuisance because almost any Water-types that Lileep would check carry checks tends to carry Ice Beam. Finally, its tanking abilities are severely hindered by both Knock Off and Toxic.

[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Recover
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Ancient Power / Earth Power / Toxic
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Bold
evs: 68 HP / 220 Def / 108 SpA / 60 SpD / 12 Spe
ivs: 0 Atk (this doesnt get put into the importable on-site, and all special attacking sets on PS are automatically given 0 IVS)

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Recover is the most important move on the this set because it gives Lileep a solid form of recovery to stay in for longer. Giga Drain acts as a secondary form of recovery while doing damage at the same time, and it can be used to weaken the opposing Water-types it can check that Lileep checks; for example, it can 2HKO Slowpoke, Staryu, and Corphish. Stealth Rock are is used to inflict chip damage whenever the opponent switches a Pokemon in, and it works well with Lileep's ability to scare force out Water-types. For the last slot, Ancient Power is a STAB move that allows Lileep to hit Flying-types such as Doduo, Rufflet, and Archen. On the other hand, Earth Power allows Lileep to hit opposing Steel-types such as Magnemite, Pawniard, (AC) and Honedge. Finally, Toxic puts opposing walls such as Munchlax and Spritzee on a timer, (RC) and is a good source of chip damage in tandem with Stealth Rock; however, keep in mind that the damage from Toxic adds up very slowly because of LC LC's low HP stats.

Set Details
========

The defensive EVs given EV spread hits Eviolite numbers, maximizing when used with Eviolite maximizes Lileep's bulk; (ASC): (RC) a Bold nature further boosts its Lileep's Defense, allowing Lileep it to sponge physical hits better; its special bulk is not a thing to underestimate too, because as when Lileep is equipped with Eviolite, it can avoid the 2HKO from Choice Scarf Chinchou's Ice Beam, (RC) while usually OHKOing it and OHKO Chinchou in return (let me know if i misinterpreted this sentence) after Stealth Rock. 108 Special Attack EVs guarantee that Lileep can 2HKO Steel-types such as Magnemite and Pawniard most of the time with Earth Power. 12 Speed EVs let Lileep Speed tie with Spritzee and outspeeds let it outspeed Munchlax, allowing Lileep to use Toxic on it (avoid using moves as verbs) before they it can do anything. Storm Drain is useful to absorb Water-type moves and boost Lileep's Special Attack by 1 one stage whenever it's hit by said moves.

Usage Tips
========

Lileep can be directly switched in on Water-type moves because it can absorbs absorb them and boost its SpA Special Attack to good levels. It can come in on a plethora of Water-types, such as Chinchou, Mareanie, Tirtouga, Corphish (but it still dislikes Knock Off), and Carvanha. (AP); (RSC) It can also check Foongus, Ponyta, and Ferroseed—(be ware wary of Iron Head and Knock Off),though—and can easily set up Stealth Rock on any of them. Recover should be used on any predicted switch, as it restores Lileep's health, allowing it to stay around for longer; Lileep has no trouble pulling Recover off thanks to its unique asset set of resistances. When facing a Water-type, Lileep should prioritize in setting up Stealth Rock because it can afford to take an Ice Beam. After Stealth Rock has been set up, then Lileep should either switch out, (RC) or start using Giga Drain to restore its health. Note that a boosted Giga Drain can hit the majority of Water-types hard. Be wary of set up sweepers like Scraggy, Timburr, and Spritzee coming in on Lileep and starting to set up, as Lileep can't do anything to stop them, (AC) and this could potentially allow them to sweep your entire team.

Team Options
========

Hippopotas is an exceptional partner because it can remove Steel-types for Lileep, but most importantly because it has access to Sand Stream, which sets sand to boost boosts Lileep's Special Defense by 50%; in exchange, Lileep stops the Water-types that scare Hippopotas away. Partners that can handle Fighting-types are appreciated because Lileep has issues against them. Snubbull is a prime example, boasting Intimidate and Fairy-typing a Fairy typing to come in on them. Spritzee lacks Intimidate, but it can heal Lileep from Poison Lileep's possible status ailments thanks to Aromatherapy and can KO most Fighting-types with Moonblast. Pawniard is difficult for Lileep to face if it lacks Earth Power, and even if it has the move, the Special Defense drop can trigger Defiant. Fighting-types such as Timburr and Mienfoo pair well with Lileep because they stop Pawniard; Timburr is a bit better because it can stop set up sweepers thanks to its priority moves and can also remove Pawniard. Lileep is a nice partner for Pokémon who Pokemon that struggle against bulky Water-types; examples are Carvanha, Ponyta, and Corphish, which can easily wallbreak or clean when Water-types have been removed or weakened. While not mandatory, Lileep likes the presence of a Defog or Rapid Spin user, (RC) because it dislikes taking damage from entry hazards. Phazers like Roar Mudbray and Haze users such as Mareanie can prevent set up setup sweepers from sweeping your team after setting up on Lileep; both of them also check Fighting- and Steel-types and, in Mudbray's case, it also forces the opponent foe to take damage from the Stealth Rock that Lileep sets. Speaking of entry hazards, more of them are useful for Lileep, doing some chip damage to the opponent foe; the aforementioned Mareanie can set up Toxic Spikes, while Dwebble can set up Spikes.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Lileep has access to Curse to boost its Attack and Defense; however, this set is more susceptible to burns and Intimidate, (RC) and does not use Storm Drain to its maximum potential. Lileep doesn't have many viable coverage options has not many coverage option worth a slot, but it can run an a Hidden Power to specifically hit some Pokemon, such as Hidden Power Fire for Ferroseed and Grass-types in general, or and Hidden Power Fighting for more damage against Pawniard and to hit Dark-types super effectively; however, these moves are difficult to fit in a slot, (RC) because Lileep needs Recover, its STAB move, and either Earth Power or Stealth Rock. Mirror Coat can surprise an opponent and remove a special sweeper such as Gastly or Abra: however, this can work just once because it can only work with a surprise factor. Finally, Lileep has access to Sandstorm, (RC) and can act as a secondary or backup weather setter for dedicated sand teams; unfortunately, it lacks a moveslot for it.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Steel-types**: Lileep has a hard time against Steel-types, (RC) because it can only hit them only with Earth Power. Magnemite can take a Earth Power thanks to Sturdy and severely damage Lileep with STAB Flash Cannon. Pawniard hates taking an Earth Power, but it can KO Lileep with STAB Iron Head or remove its Eviolite with a powerful Knock Off.

**Fighting-types**: Fighting-types outspeed Lileep and severely damage it with a STAB move. Timburr can come in on Toxic and activate Guts, severely hurting Lileep with STAB Drain Punch. Croagunk walls Lileep lacking Earth Power, (RC) and can use it to set up Nasty Plot.

**Grass-types**: Lileep has nothing to hit Grass-types beside the rare Hidden Power Fire. Ferroseed can set up entry hazards on Lileep, is immune to Toxic, and can threaten Lileep with Iron Head or Knock Off. Foongus fears nothing from Lileep, (RC) and can hit it with Sludge Bomb. Due to Lileep's passivity, Snivy can use it to boost its Specail Special Attack with Contrary Leaf Storm without fearing anything from Lileep.

**Setup Sweepers**: As precedently saw, (RC) Lileep is quite passive; (RC -> ASC) this makes it a setup bait for Pokemon such as Bulk Up Timburr, Dragon Dance Scraggy, and Swords Dance Mienfoo.

**Toxic Poison**: While it doesn't mind being paralyzed or burned, Lileep hates being poisoned; both Toxic and Toxic Spikes can heavily reduce Lileep's longevity. (AP)
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[OVERVIEW]

Lileep is arguably one of the best Water-type checks in LC. It has access to Storm Drain, a very handy tool that lets it absorb Water-type moves and boost its already decent Special Attack by one stage; this allows Lileep to check the majority of Water-types in the tier, such as Chinchou, Mareanie, Tirtouga, and Corphish. It also sports impressive natural bulk that is further boosted by Eviolite, which lets it switch in on moves that are weak or are resisted with ease. Furthermore, it has access to Stealth Rock, which is very useful to weaken the opposing team, and Lileep can easily set it up thanks to its bulk and its ability. On top of that, Giga Drain and Recover both grant it a solid form of recovery and the possibility to stay around for much longer. However, like most defensive Pokemon, Lileep has poor Speed, meaning that it will almost always take a hit before moving, and despite its decent Special Attack it suffers from a mediocre damage output, even after a Storm Drain boost. While it has impressive bulk, its typing leaves it weak to common Steel-, Fighting-, and Ice-type moves, with the last one being quite a nuisance because almost any Water-types that Lileep checks tends to carry Ice Beam. Finally, its tanking abilities are severely hindered by both Knock Off and Toxic.

[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Recover
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Ancient Power / Earth Power / Toxic
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Bold
evs: 68 HP / 220 Def / 108 SpA / 60 SpD / 12 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Recover is the most important move on this set because it gives Lileep a solid form of recovery to stay in for longer. Giga Drain acts as a secondary form of recovery while doing damage at the same time, and it can be used to weaken the opposing Water-types that Lileep checks; for example, it can 2HKO Slowpoke, Staryu, and Corphish. Stealth Rock is used to inflict chip damage whenever the opponent switches a Pokemon in, and it works well with Lileep's ability to force out Water-types. For the last slot, Ancient Power is a STAB move that allows Lileep to hit Flying-types such as Doduo, Rufflet, and Archen. On the other hand, Earth Power allows Lileep to hit opposing Steel-types such as Magnemite, Pawniard and Honedge. Finally, Toxic puts opposing walls such as Munchlax and Spritzee on a timer and is a good source of chip damage in tandem with Stealth Rock; however, keep in mind that the damage from Toxic adds up very slowly because of LC's low HP stats.

Set Details
========

The given EV spread when used with Eviolite maximizes Lileep's bulk; a Bold nature further boosts Lileep's Defense, allowing it to sponge physical hits better; its special bulk is not a thing to underestimate too, as when Lileep is equipped with Eviolite, it can avoid the 2HKO from Choice Scarf Chinchou's Ice Beam and OHKO Chinchou in return after Stealth Rock. 108 Special Attack EVs guarantee that Lileep can 2HKO Steel-types such as Magnemite and Pawniard most of the time with Earth Power. 12 Speed EVs let Lileep Speed tie with Spritzee and let it outspeed Munchlax, allowing Lileep to use Toxic on it before it can do anything. Storm Drain is useful to absorb Water-type moves and boost Lileep's Special Attack by one stage whenever it's hit by said moves.

Usage Tips
========

Lileep can be directly switched in on Water-type moves because it can absorb them and boost its Special Attack to good levels. It can come in on a plethora of Water-types, such as Chinchou, Mareanie, Tirtouga, Corphish (but it still dislikes Knock Off), and Carvanha. It can also check Foongus, Ponyta, and Ferroseed—be wary of Iron Head and Knock Off though—and can easily set up Stealth Rock on any of them. Recover should be used on any predicted switch, as it restores Lileep's health, allowing it to stay around for longer; Lileep has no trouble pulling Recover off thanks to its unique set of resistances. When facing a Water-type, Lileep should prioritize setting up Stealth Rock because it can afford to take an Ice Beam. After Stealth Rock has been set up, Lileep should either switch out or start using Giga Drain to restore its health. Note that a boosted Giga Drain can hit the majority of Water-types hard. Be wary of set up sweepers like Scraggy, Timburr, and Spritzee coming in on Lileep and starting to set up, as Lileep can't do anything to stop them, and this could potentially allow them to sweep your entire team.

Team Options
========

Hippopotas is an exceptional partner because it can remove Steel-types for Lileep, but most importantly because it has access to Sand Stream, which sets sand to boost Lileep's Special Defense by 50%; in exchange, Lileep stops the Water-types that scare Hippopotas away. Partners that can handle Fighting-types are appreciated because Lileep has issues against them. Snubbull is a prime example, boasting Intimidate and a Fairy typing to come in on them. Spritzee lacks Intimidate, but it can heal Lileep's possible status ailments thanks to Aromatherapy and can KO most Fighting-types with Moonblast. Pawniard is difficult for Lileep to face if it lacks Earth Power, and even if it has the move, the Special Defense drop can trigger Defiant. Fighting-types such as Timburr and Mienfoo pair well with Lileep because they stop Pawniard; Timburr is a bit better because it can stop set up sweepers thanks to its priority moves and can also remove Pawniard. Lileep is a nice partner for Pokemon that struggle against bulky Water-types; examples are Carvanha, Ponyta, and Corphish, which can easily wallbreak or clean when Water-types have been removed or weakened. While not mandatory, Lileep likes the presence of a Defog or Rapid Spin user because it dislikes taking damage from entry hazards. Phazers like Roar Mudbray and Haze users such as Mareanie can prevent setup sweepers from sweeping your team after setting up on Lileep; both of them also check Fighting- and Steel-types and, in Mudbray's case, it also forces the foe to take damage from the Stealth Rock that Lileep sets. Speaking of entry hazards, more of them are useful for Lileep, doing some chip damage to the foe; the aforementioned Mareanie can set up Toxic Spikes, while Dwebble can set up Spikes.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Lileep has access to Curse to boost its Attack and Defense; however, this set is more susceptible to burns and Intimidate and does not use Storm Drain to its maximum potential. Lileep doesn't have many viable coverage options, but it can run a Hidden Power to specifically hit some Pokemon, such as Hidden Power Fire for Ferroseed and Grass-types in general, and Hidden Power Fighting for more damage against Pawniard and to hit Dark-types super effectively; however, these moves are difficult to fit in a slot because Lileep needs Recover, its STAB move, and either Earth Power or Stealth Rock. Mirror Coat can surprise an opponent and remove a special sweeper such as Gastly or Abra: however, this can work just once because it can only work with a surprise factor. Finally, Lileep has access to Sandstorm and can act as a secondary weather setter for dedicated sand teams; unfortunately, it lacks a moveslot for it.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Steel-types**: Lileep has a hard time against Steel-types because it can only hit them with Earth Power. Magnemite can take a Earth Power thanks to Sturdy and severely damage Lileep with STAB Flash Cannon. Pawniard hates taking an Earth Power, but it can KO Lileep with STAB Iron Head or remove its Eviolite with a powerful Knock Off.

**Fighting-types**: Fighting-types outspeed Lileep and severely damage it with a STAB move. Timburr can come in on Toxic and activate Guts, severely hurting Lileep with STAB Drain Punch. Croagunk walls Lileep lacking Earth Power and can use it to set up Nasty Plot.

**Grass-types**: Lileep has nothing to hit Grass-types beside the rare Hidden Power Fire. Ferroseed can set up entry hazards on Lileep, is immune to Toxic, and can threaten Lileep with Iron Head or Knock Off. Foongus fears nothing from Lileep and can hit it with Sludge Bomb. Due to Lileep's passivity, Snivy can use it to boost its Special Attack with Contrary Leaf Storm without fearing anything from Lileep.

**Setup Sweepers**: Lileep is quite passive; this makes it a setup bait for Pokemon such as Bulk Up Timburr, Dragon Dance Scraggy, and Swords Dance Mienfoo.

**Toxic Poison**: While it doesn't mind being paralyzed or burned, Lileep hates being poisoned; both Toxic and Toxic Spikes can heavily reduce Lileep's longevity.


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[OVERVIEW]

Lileep is arguably one of the best Water-type checks in LC. It has access to Storm Drain, a very handy tool that lets it absorb Water-type moves and boost its already decent Special Attack by one stage; this allows Lileep it to check the majority of Water-types in the tier, such as Chinchou, Mareanie, Tirtouga, and Corphish. It also sports impressive natural bulk that is further boosted by Eviolite, which lets it switch in on moves that are weak or are resisted with ease. Furthermore, it has access to Stealth Rock, which is very useful to for weakening the opposing team, and Lileep can easily set it up thanks to its bulk and its ability. On top of that, Giga Drain and Recover both grant it a solid forms of recovery and the possibility ability to stay around for much longer. However, like most defensive Pokemon, Lileep has poor Speed, meaning that it will almost always take a hit before moving, and despite its decent Special Attack, (comma) it suffers from a mediocre damage output, even after a Storm Drain boost. While it has impressive bulk, its typing leaves it weak to common Steel-, Fighting-, and Ice-type moves, with the that last one weakness being quite a nuisance because almost any Water-types that Lileep checks tends to carry Ice Beam. Finally, its tanking abilities are severely hindered by both Knock Off and Toxic.

[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Recover
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Ancient Power / Earth Power / Toxic
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Bold
evs: 68 HP / 220 Def / 108 SpA / 60 SpD / 12 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Recover is the most important move on this set because it gives Lileep a solid form of recovery, (comma) meaning it can to stay in for longer. Giga Drain acts as a secondary form of recovery while doing damage at the same time, and it can be used to weaken the opposing Water-types that Lileep checks; for example, it can 2HKO Slowpoke, Staryu, and Corphish. Stealth Rock is used to inflict chip damage whenever the opponent switches a Pokemon in, and it works well with Lileep's ability to force out Water-types. For the last slot, Ancient Power is a STAB move that allows Lileep to hit Flying-types such as Doduo, Rufflet, and Archen. On the other hand, Earth Power allows Lileep to hit opposing Steel-types such as Magnemite, Pawniard and Honedge. Finally, Toxic puts opposing walls such as Munchlax and Spritzee on a timer and is a good source of chip damage in tandem with Stealth Rock; however, keep in mind that the damage from Toxic adds up very slowly because of LC's low HP stats.

Set Details
========

The given EV spread when used with Eviolite maximizes Lileep's bulk; a Bold nature further boosts Lileep's Defense, allowing it to sponge physical hits better;. (semicolon) (period) Its special bulk is not a thing to underestimate too either, as when Lileep is equipped with Eviolite, it can avoid the 2HKO from Choice Scarf Chinchou's Ice Beam and OHKO Chinchou in return after Stealth Rock damage. 108 Special Attack EVs guarantee that Lileep can 2HKO Steel-types such as Magnemite and Pawniard most of the time with Earth Power. 12 Speed EVs let Lileep Speed tie with Spritzee and let it outspeed Munchlax, allowing Lileep to use Toxic on it before it can do anything. Storm Drain is useful to for absorbing Water-type moves and boosting Lileep's Special Attack by one stage whenever it's hit by said moves in the process.

Usage Tips
========

Lileep can be directly switched in on Water-type moves because it can absorb them and boost its Special Attack to good levels of its ability. It can come in on a plethora of Water-types, such as Chinchou, Mareanie, Tirtouga, Corphish (but though it still dislikes Knock Off), and Carvanha. It can also check Foongus, Ponyta, and Ferroseed—be wary of Iron Head and Knock Off though—and can easily set up Stealth Rock on any of them. Recover should be used on any predicted switch, as it restores Lileep's health, allowing it to stay around for longer; Lileep has no trouble pulling Recover off thanks to its unique set of resistances. When facing a Water-type, Lileep should prioritize setting up Stealth Rock because it can afford to take an Ice Beam. After Stealth Rock has been set up, Lileep should either switch out or start using Giga Drain to restore its health. Note that a boosted Giga Drain can hit the majority of Water-types hard. Be wary of set(space)up sweepers like Scraggy, Timburr, and Spritzee coming in on Lileep and starting to set up, as Lileep can't do anything to stop them, (comma) and this could potentially allow them to sweep your entire team.

Team Options
========

Hippopotas is an exceptional partner because it can remove Steel-types for Lileep, but most importantly because it has access to Sand Stream, which sets sand to boost Lileep's Special Defense by 50%; in exchange, Lileep stops the Water-types that scare Hippopotas away. Partners that can handle Fighting-types are appreciated because Lileep has issues against them. Snubbull is a prime example, boasting Intimidate and a Fairy typing that enable it to come in on them. Spritzee lacks Intimidate, but it can heal Lileep's possible status ailments thanks to Aromatherapy and can KO most Fighting-types with Moonblast. Pawniard is difficult for Lileep to face if it lacks Earth Power, and even if it has the move, the Special Defense drop can trigger Defiant. Fighting-types such as Timburr and Mienfoo pair well with Lileep because they stop Pawniard; Timburr is a bit better because it can also stop set up sweepers thanks to its priority moves and can also remove Pawniard. Lileep is a nice partner for Pokemon that struggle against bulky Water-types; examples are Carvanha, Ponyta, and Corphish, which can easily wallbreak or clean when Water-types have been removed or weakened. While not mandatory, Lileep likes the presence of a Defog or Rapid Spin user because it dislikes taking damage from entry hazards. Phazers like Roar Mudbray and Haze users such as Mareanie can prevent put a stop to setup sweepers from sweeping your team after if they setting up on Lileep; both of them also check Fighting- and Steel-types and, in Mudbray's case, it also forces the foe to take damage from the Stealth Rock that Lileep sets. Speaking of entry hazards, more of them are useful for Lileep, (comma) by doing some chip damage to the foe; the aforementioned Mareanie can set up Toxic Spikes, while Dwebble can set up Spikes.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Lileep has access to Curse to boost its Attack and Defense; however, this set is more susceptible to burns and Intimidate and does not use Storm Drain to its maximum potential. Lileep doesn't have many viable coverage options, but it can run a Hidden Power to specifically hit some Pokemon, such as Hidden Power Fire for Ferroseed and Grass-types in general, (comma) and or Hidden Power Fighting for more damage against Pawniard and to hit Dark-types super effectively; however, these moves are difficult to fit in a slot because Lileep needs Recover, its STAB move, and either Earth Power or Stealth Rock. Mirror Coat can surprise an the opponent and remove a special sweeper such as Gastly or Abra:, (colon) (comma) but it is then easily played around however, this can work just once because it can only work with a surprise factor. Finally, Lileep has access to Sandstorm and so can act as a secondary weather setter for dedicated sand teams; unfortunately, it lacks a moveslot for it.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Steel-types**: Lileep has a hard time against Steel-types because it can only hit them with Earth Power. Magnemite can take a Earth Power thanks to Sturdy and severely damage Lileep with STAB Flash Cannon. Pawniard hates taking an Earth Power, but it can KO Lileep with STAB Iron Head or remove its Eviolite with a powerful Knock Off.

**Fighting-types**: Fighting-types outspeed Lileep and severely damage it with a STAB move. Timburr can come in on Toxic and activate Guts, severely hurting Lileep with STAB Drain Punch. Croagunk walls Lileep lacking Earth Power and can use it to set up Nasty Plot.

**Grass-types**: Lileep has nothing to hit Grass-types with beside the rare Hidden Power Fire. Ferroseed can set up entry hazards on Lileep, is immune to Toxic, and can threaten Lileep with Iron Head or Knock Off. Foongus fears nothing from Lileep and can hit it with Sludge Bomb. Due to Lileep's passivity, Snivy can use it to boost its Special Attack with Contrary Leaf Storm without fearing anything from Lileep.

**Setup Sweepers**: Lileep is quite passive; this makes it a setup bait for Pokemon such as Bulk Up Timburr, Dragon Dance Scraggy, and Swords Dance Mienfoo.

**Toxic Poison**: While it doesn't mind being paralyzed or burned, Lileep hates being poisoned; both Toxic and Toxic Spikes can heavily reduce Lileep's longevity.
 
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and i do it again, might as well have some involvement in the other hoenn fossil. taggin OP Corporal Levi macle or anyone else to edit op and upload.

[OVERVIEW]

Lileep is arguably one of the best Water-type checks in LC. It has access to Storm Drain, a very handy tool that lets it absorb Water-type moves and boost its already decent Special Attack by one stage; this allows it to check the majority of Water-types in the tier, such as Chinchou, Mareanie, Tirtouga, and Corphish. It also sports impressive natural bulk that is further boosted by Eviolite, which lets it switch in on moves that are weak or resisted with ease. Furthermore, it has access to Stealth Rock, which is very useful for weakening the opposing team, and Lileep can easily set it up thanks to its bulk and its ability. On top of that, Giga Drain and Recover grant it solid forms of recovery and the ability to stay around for much longer. However, like most defensive Pokemon, Lileep has poor Speed, meaning that it will almost always take a hit before moving, and despite its decent Special Attack, it suffers from mediocre damage output, even after a Storm Drain boost. While it has impressive bulk, its typing leaves it weak to common Steel-, Fighting-, and Ice-type moves, with that last weakness being quite a nuisance because almost any Water-type that Lileep checks tends to carry Ice Beam. Finally, its tanking abilities are severely hindered by both Knock Off and Toxic.

[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Recover
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Ancient Power / Earth Power / Toxic
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Bold
evs: 68 HP / 220 Def / 108 SpA / 60 SpD / 12 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Recover is the most important move on this set because it gives Lileep a solid form of recovery, meaning it can stay in for longer. Giga Drain acts as a secondary form of recovery while doing damage at the same time, and it can be used to weaken the Water-types that Lileep checks; for example, it can 2HKO Slowpoke, Staryu, and Corphish. Stealth Rock is used to inflict chip damage whenever the opponent switches a Pokemon in, and it works well with Lileep's ability to force out Water-types. For the last slot, Ancient Power is a STAB move that allows Lileep to hit Flying-types such as Doduo, Rufflet, and Archen. On the other hand, Earth Power allows Lileep to hit opposing Steel-types such as Magnemite, Pawniard and Honedge. Finally, Toxic puts opposing walls such as Munchlax and Spritzee on a timer and is a good source of chip damage in tandem with Stealth Rock; however, keep in mind that the damage from Toxic adds up very slowly because of LC's low HP stats.

Set Details
========

The given EV spread when used with Eviolite maximizes Lileep's bulk; a Bold nature further boosts Lileep's Defense, allowing it to sponge physical hits better. Its special bulk is not a thing to underestimate either, as when Lileep is equipped with Eviolite, it can avoid the 2HKO from Choice Scarf Chinchou's Ice Beam and OHKO Chinchou in return after Stealth Rock damage. 108 Special Attack EVs guarantee that Lileep can 2HKO Steel-types such as Magnemite and Pawniard most of the time with Earth Power. 12 Speed EVs let Lileep Speed tie with Spritzee and outspeed Munchlax, allowing Lileep to use Toxic on it before it can do anything. Storm Drain is useful for absorbing Water-type moves and boosting Lileep's Special Attack by one stage in the process.

Usage Tips
========

Lileep can be directly switched in on Water-type moves because of its ability. It can come in on a plethora of Water-types, such as Chinchou, Mareanie, Tirtouga, Corphish ( though it dislikes Knock Off), and Carvanha. It can also check Foongus, Ponyta, and Ferroseed—be wary of Iron Head and Knock Off though—and can easily set up Stealth Rock on any of them. Recover should be used on any predicted switch, as it restores Lileep's health, allowing it to stay around for longer; Lileep has no trouble pulling Recover off thanks to its unique set of resistances. When facing a Water-type, Lileep should prioritize setting up Stealth Rock because it can afford to take an Ice Beam. After Stealth Rock has been set up, Lileep should either switch out or start using Giga Drain to restore its health. Note that a boosted Giga Drain can hit the majority of Water-types hard. Be wary of set up sweepers like Scraggy, Timburr, and Spritzee coming in on Lileep and starting to set up, as Lileep can't do anything to stop them and this could potentially allow them to sweep your entire team.

Team Options
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Hippopotas is an exceptional partner because it can remove Steel-types for Lileep, but most importantly has access to Sand Stream, which sets sand to boost Lileep's Special Defense by 50%; in exchange, Lileep stops the Water-types that scare Hippopotas away. Partners that can handle Fighting-types are appreciated because Lileep has issues against them. Snubbull is a prime example, boasting Intimidate and a Fairy typing that enable it to come in on them. Spritzee lacks Intimidate, but it can heal Lileep's possible status ailments thanks to Aromatherapy and KO most Fighting-types with Moonblast. Pawniard is difficult for Lileep to face if it lacks Earth Power, and even if it has the move, the Special Defense drop can trigger Defiant. Fighting-types such as Timburr and Mienfoo pair well with Lileep because they stop Pawniard; Timburr is a bit better because it can also stop set up sweepers thanks to its priority moves. Lileep is a nice partner for Pokemon that struggle against bulky Water-types; examples are Carvanha, Ponyta, and Corphish, which can easily wallbreak or clean when Water-types have been removed or weakened. While not mandatory, Lileep likes the presence of a Defog or Rapid Spin user because it dislikes taking damage from entry hazards. Phazers like Roar Mudbray and Haze users such as Mareanie can put a stop to setup sweepers if they set up on Lileep; both of them also check Fighting- and Steel-types and, in Mudbray's case,forces the foe to take damage from the Stealth Rock that Lileep sets. Speaking of entry hazards, more of them are useful for Lileep by doing some chip damage to the foe; the aforementioned Mareanie can set up Toxic Spikes, while Dwebble can set up Spikes.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Lileep has access to Curse to boost its Attack and Defense; however, this set is more susceptible to burns and Intimidate and does not use Storm Drain to its maximum potential. Lileep doesn't have many viable coverage options, but it can run Hidden Power to specifically hit some Pokemon, such as Hidden Power Fire for Ferroseed and Grass-types in general or Hidden Power Fighting for more damage against Pawniard and Dark-types; however, these moves are difficult to fit in a slot because Lileep needs Recover, its STAB move, and either Earth Power or Stealth Rock. Mirror Coat can surprise the opponent and remove a special sweeper such as Gastly or Abra, but it is then easily played around. Finally, Lileep has access to Sandstorm and so can act as a secondary weather setter for dedicated sand teams; unfortunately, it lacks a moveslot for it.

Checks and Counters
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**Steel-types**: Lileep has a hard time against Steel-types because it can only hit them with Earth Power. Magnemite can take a Earth Power thanks to Sturdy and severely damage Lileep with STAB Flash Cannon. Pawniard hates taking an Earth Power, but it can KO Lileep with STAB Iron Head or remove its Eviolite with a powerful Knock Off.

**Fighting-types**: Fighting-types outspeed Lileep and severely damage it with a STAB move. Timburr can come in on Toxic and activate Guts, severely hurting Lileep with STAB Drain Punch. Croagunk walls Lileep lacking Earth Power and can use it to set up Nasty Plot.

**Grass-types**: Lileep has nothing to hit Grass-types with beside the rare Hidden Power Fire. Ferroseed can set up entry hazards on Lileep, is immune to Toxic, and can threaten Lileep with Iron Head or Knock Off. Foongus fears nothing from Lileep and can hit it with Sludge Bomb. Due to Lileep's passivity, Snivy can use it to boost its Special Attack with Contrary Leaf Storm without fearing anything.

**Setup Sweepers**: Lileep is quite passive; this makes it a setup bait for Pokemon such as Bulk Up Timburr, Dragon Dance Scraggy, and Swords Dance Mienfoo.

**Toxic Poison**: While it doesn't mind being paralyzed or burned, Lileep hates being poisoned; Toxic and Toxic Spikes can heavily reduce Lileep's longevity.
 

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