Lilligant (Analysis) [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

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    [Overview]

    <p>Lilligant might at first seem outclassed by other sun sweepers such as Venusaur and Volcarona, having a virtually nonexistent offensive movepool and inferior defenses, but with access to Quiver Dance, this is not the case. When paired with Chlorophyll, Lilligant has a great niche as the fastest Quiver Dance user in the game with sun up. Her high 110 base Special Attack makes boosted attacks hit extremely hard, and with a 90 base Speed, she outspeeds the most common Chlorophyll user, Venusaur. Lilligant even gets Sleep Powder, which helps her set up against troublesome opponents like Choice Band Tyranitar and Tentacruel. Even though Lilligant's coverage is limited, with Giga Drain and her Hidden Power of choice being essentially all she gets, Lilligant has great potential as a sweeper when used correctly, and underestimating what she can do compared to other sun sweepers is a dire mistake.

    [SET]
    name: Quiver Dance
    move 1: Quiver Dance
    move 2: Sleep Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
    item: Life Orb / Lum Berry / Leftovers
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 60 Def / 252 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Lilligant has use at pretty much every point in the game, being able to put something to sleep early and sweep mid- or late-game. Unlike Fire-type sweepers, she is excellent against rain, as its Water-type sweepers fall to Giga Drain and the possible Dragonite and Therian formes of the genies fall to Hidden Power Ice. Sand does not like facing Lilligant either, especially if she is running Hidden Power Fire, as it often utilizes many Rock-, Ground-, and Steel-types weak to Lilligant's coverage. That is the main thing unique about Lilligant, as she is a sun sweeper but can smash apart other weather teams, giving her a somewhat unique position on sun teams. Another thing to note is that she outspeeds Choice Scarf Terrakion after a Chlorophyll boost with a neutral nature, which is something Venusaur only can dream of doing.</p>

    <p>Quiver Dance is among the best boosting moves in the game, only eclipsed somewhat by Shell Smash. It boosts Lilligant's two best stats, Special Attack and Speed, making it perhaps the most tailor-made Pokemon to use Quiver Dance other than Volcarona. Sleep Powder tends to help out a lot with setting up, as it can be essentially a death sentence for many Pokemon, as sleep mechanics reset the counter upon switching out, giving the sleeping Pokemon at least one turn of guaranteed uselessness every time it switches in. Sleep Powder is particularly useful against targets that Lilligant needs a boost or two to KO, such as Tentacruel or Tyranitar in sand. Giga Drain is a great STAB move, especially because it helps mitigate the damage from Life Orb via recovering Lilligant's health when she attacks with it, as well as boasting a decent Base Power. The choice of Hidden Power has already been discussed above, basically boiling down to whether you want her to perform better against sand or rain. Also, because Lilligant is best on sun teams, the rest of the team should have a method to handle Steel-types, so Hidden Power Fire isn't always necessary.</p>

    <p>Note that the given EV spread is best for Modest Lilligant, and 24 HP / 252 SpA / 228 Spe is preferable with a Timid nature, outspeeding neutral base 100s without a boost and everything bar +2 Landorus and Terrakion as well as +1 Ninjask with a boost. The given EV spread for a Modest nature outspeeds Scarf Latios with a Chlorophyll boost, neutral base 80s and positive base 70s without a boost, and Jolteon and Aerodactyl at +1 without a Chlorophyll boost, while the Defense EVs allow her to always survive Life Orb Ice Shard from Jolly Mamoswine, as well as increasing her chances at surviving Adamant variants.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Lilligant has many other options in the realm of Speed EVs. She can run 252 Spe with a Timid nature to help against Adamant Landorus-T and Adamant Lucario without any type of boost. 160 EVs can be run to outspeed Timid Venusaur, allowing Lilligant to invest 64 Special Defense EVs to survive Choice Scarf Politoed's Ice Beam. As for the nature, Modest is preferred for the extra power, but Timid is helpful as well for having the potential to outspeed neutral base 100s with the Chlorophyll boost and almost anything with it. As for the item, Life Orb is preferred for the great increase in power, but Lum Berry can help for switching into Toxic Spikes and setting up on Jirachi attempting to paralyze Lilligant if she is running Hidden Power Fire. Leftovers can also be used for passive recovery, giving her a chance at getting off more than one or two more hits after surviving an Ice Shard from Mamoswine, though Giga Drain recovers her health and KOes Mamoswine, limiting the use of Leftovers.</p>

    <p>Other Hidden Powers can be used to hit certain targets. Hidden Power Rock can be run solely for Volcarona, while maintaining coverage against Flying-types such as Dragonite, Salamence, Thundurus-T, and Tornadus-T, as well as super effective coverage against Gyarados and hitting Fire-types that resist Giga Drain. Hidden Power Ground can be used to get past Heatran, while also hitting Fire-types as Hidden Power Rock does. The latter has much more limited application, but at the same time is very potent against the aforementioned targets. Lilligant can also run Sunny Day to function as a backup sun setter and to make her own sweep easier, but struggles to find a moveslot for it, especially because it would be competing with Sleep Powder, a vital move on Lilligant. This is not to mention that Lilligant doesn't always need sun to function.</p>

    <p>As far as support is concerned, Ninetales is a given as Lilligant, while she can function in other weathers, is first and foremost a sun sweeper; reciprocatively, Ninetales benefits from Lilligant being excellent against rain, and to a lesser extent, sand. Stealth Rock and Spikes, from partners like Dugtrio, Landorus-T, and Forretress, are extremely useful, especially considering that a boosted Lilligant is very threatening and can force many switches. Sleep Powder forces many Pokemon out as well, racking up entry hazard damage to the point where Lilligant can function as a late-game cleaner, finishing off games. The former two also benefit from the removal of physical walls, namely Gliscor, Ferrothorn, and Skarmory. A Toxic Spikes absorber like Venusaur, Tentacruel, or Amoonguss is crucial, as Lilligant hates Toxic Spikes. The former can punch holes for Lilligant to sweep, and vice versa. The aforementioned Dugtrio is helpful for trapping and KOing Heatran and other Fire-types if Lilligant isn't running Hidden Power Rock or Ground. Gothitelle or Magnezone can be helpful for trapping and KOing Steel-types if Hidden Power Fire is not run. A Choice Scarf user like Salamence or Latios that can take on the genies and Dragon-types is helpful if Hidden Power Ice is not run. Ground-types like Landorus-T can help by forcing out or KOing Heatran and other Fire-types if Hidden Power Ground is not run. A lot of the support that is needed is all based on what Hidden Power is being run.</p>

    <p>Where actual partners are concerned, the best is the aforementioned Venusaur, as both can set up sweeps for one another: mixed Venusaur is particularly potent after its counters are removed by Lilligant. Volcarona is also excellent, as Lilligant is great at facilitating a Volcarona sweep, KOing the bulky Water-types Volcarona hates if it is not running Giga Drain, and Volcarona would much prefer to run a Hidden Power, Roost, or even Rest. Essentially anything that likes bulky Water-types removed will enjoy having Lilligant as a partner, ranging from frail attackers like Infernape to slow attackers like Conkeldurr.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Sun UtiLily
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Healing Wish
    move 3: Sleep Powder
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Modest
    evs: 60 Def / 252 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Instead of the usual Quiver Dance sweeper, Lilligant can take a supportive role on sun teams. Her main niche is as the fastest user of Healing Wish in the game. It can give certain Pokemon, especially Volcarona, the premier recipient, a second chance at sweeping when they are at low health or afflicted with crippling status, at the cost of Lilligant herself, so it must be used with great care. Volcarona is the premier recipient because it normally only has one or two times it can switch into Stealth Rock from full health (depending on whether or not it has to take a hit), and because Healing Wish acts before entry hazards, Volcarona is given another shot at surviving entry hazards. This is also true of many other Pokemon when they are in range of being KOed by entry hazards. Leaf Storm is almost like a nuke, punching huge holes in anything that does not resist it. It is so powerful that Tyranitar cannot survive it even under sand; Politoed is also cleanly OHKOed. Sleep Powder is as dangerous as it is on the Quiver Dance set; however, instead of helping Lilligant sweep, it helps teammates sweep. Hidden Power Rock is great for coverage against Volcarona and other Fire-types, while also getting coverage on Flying-types like Dragonite, Salamence, the genies, and Gyarados. Hidden Power Fire also has use when against Steel-types like Ferrothorn and Forretress.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread allows Lilligant to outspeed positive base 80s and neutral base 70s, as well as Scarf Latios with a Chlorophyll boost. The Defense EVs allow Lilligant to always survive an Ice Shard from Jolly Mamoswine, as well as giving it a decent chance at surviving the move from Adamant variants. Lilligant can then OHKO with a powerful Leaf Storm. 24 HP / 242 SpA / 228 Spe with a Timid nature can be used to outspeed base 100s without a boost, but that is much less relevant when considering that this Lilligant will almost always be under sunlight. 64 EVs can be moved to Special Defense to survive Choice Scarf Politoed's Ice Beam and KO with Leaf Storm, but Mamoswine's Ice Shard is much more of an issue, as Politoed has trouble switching in, as it fears losing the weather war against Ninetales by falling to Leaf Storm. A Modest nature gives maximum power in conjunction with Life Orb. Leftovers may also be used to give passive recovery, but Life Orb is almost always preferred to give Leaf Storm the maximum possible damage output.</p>

    <p> Hidden Power Ice is the main alternative Hidden Power type for its coverage against Dragon-types and the genies, but Hidden Power Ground is also viable to hit Heatran, as well as maintaining coverage on other Fire-types. Another option is Aromatherapy over Healing Wish if you only need Lilligant to heal status, which has the advantage of not killing herself. This turns Lilligant into a much less unique support Pokemon and makes her compete with Celebi for space on a team, and Celebi's much higher bulk and slightly better Speed without a Chlorophyll boost makes it superior if Lilligant is not running Healing Wish, though Lilligant still stands out with Sleep Powder. She also competes with Roserade, who has access to Sleep Powder and Aromatherapy, as well as having access to the elusive Toxic Spikes and more Special Attack, making it so she hits harder with Leaf Storm than Lilligant.</p>

    <p>This set really doesn't need much support. Ninetales is a given for this set, as it is made for sun teams, and Lilligant can remove Tyranitar, Politoed, Hippowdon, and even Abomasnow, but there really isn't much else. What she really needs is partners that appreciate sleeping Pokemon: think Swords Dance Breloom, Calm Mind Gothitelle, Bulk Up Conkeldurr, Growth Venusaur, Dragon Dance Salamence and, of course, Quiver Dance Volcarona. Note that the latter two love Healing Wish as well because they are weak to Stealth Rock. Without something like one of those Pokemon, this set is pretty much wasted. Otherwise, this set really stands out on its own, and is a great supporter for any team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>For a Pokemon with such a shallow movepool, Lilligant actually has a decent amount of things she can do other than what is discussed above. The first of these is SubSeed, which is pretty good considering how fast Lilligant is after a Chlorophyll boost, but Jumpluff and Whimsicott essentially outclass Lilligant at this strategy. Synthesis can be used, recovering two-thirds of her HP in sun, but unfortunately drops to a measly one-third once an opposing weather inducer comes in, and Lilligant struggles to find space for it on its moveset. Stun Spore is outclassed by Sleep Powder, as sleep is much more potent than paralysis most of the time, so there isn't much room for it either. Petal Dance can be used, either with a Lum Berry or with Own Tempo to avoid confusion, but Grass has a lot of resists, so it leaves Lilligant prone to being setup on or KOed. Don't use Energy Ball, as while the 5 Base Power it has over Giga Drain may seem appealing, the power difference is meaningless, and Lilligant loses the recovery from Giga Drain that she loves. Lastly, she can use Leaf Storm to hit harder, or Sunny Day + SolarBeam to hit a tad weaker than the former but more consistently.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Lilligant's counters are mainly based on her Hidden Power of choice. If not running Hidden Power Fire, Scizor, Ferrothorn, Jirachi, Forretress, Skarmory, Lucario, and Bronzong do fairly well against her. Note that Skarmory is shaky, as a boosted Hidden Power Ice and Rock can do a number, but Brave Bird does a lot in return. Lucario is shaky as well because Lilligant can just put it to sleep and set up to a point where it can be KOed by Giga Drain. Dragonite, Tornadus-T, Thundurus-T, Latios, Latias, Haxorus, and Hydreigon do well if she isn't running Hidden Power Ice, though the former three are hit hard by Hidden Power Rock as well. Thundurus-T is fairly frail, and sun-boosted Hidden Power Fire does a number. Hidden Power Rock and Ground are rare, so Volcarona and Heatran are pretty much solid counters, taking anything Lilligant throws at them and retaliating with sun- plus STAB-boosted Fire-type attacks. The same goes for Ninetales and other Fire-types like Chandelure. However, Volcarona is OHKOed by a +1 Hidden Power Fire after Stealth Rock damage, so it must have Stealth Rock off the field for it to do any good against Lilligant.</p>

    <p>Any good special wall not weak to one of Lilligant's attacks, namely specially defensive Deoxys-D, Blissey, and Chansey, can wall Lilligant pretty easily. However, they are vulnerable to being put to sleep and being set up on, though they can all status Lilligant in the form of Thunder Wave or Toxic, reducing her sweeping capabilities immensely. Tentacruel can take on Lilligant once something is already asleep and if Lilligant has not acquired many boosts, but only if it carries Ice Beam or the rare Venoshock. Tentacruel also sets up the Toxic Spikes that Lilligant hates. Sand is also a huge problem, as sand + Life Orb recoil means Lilligant will die extremely quickly.</p>

    <p>Without any boosts from Chlorophyll or Quiver Dance, Lilligant is open to being KOed by anything faster. This ranges from Choice Scarf users to naturally faster Pokemon, including but not limited to Tornadus-T, Terrakion, Salamence, and Starmie. Speaking of Starmie, Timid Choice Scarf Starmie outspeeds 196 Spe Lilligant even after a Chlorophyll boost, easily KOing with Ice Beam or sun-boosted Hidden Power Fire. Priority from likes of Mamoswine and Breloom does a number as well, especially considering the fact that Lilligant is fairly frail. Overall, your best bet against Lilligant is removing her beloved sun, using priority, or any Scarf user with a base Speed greater than 110 and a Speed-boosting nature.</p>
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    Do not slash Petal Dance anywhere. Despite its power, being locked in for several turns is never worth it for a move that has many, many resistances. Literally half of OU can come in and wall Lilligant's Petal Dance, such as Heatran, and proceed to destroy it while it is locked in. Petal Dance + Own Tempo may seem tempting, but there's absolutely no reason to use Lilligant without sun support + Chlorophyll.
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    imo the main spread on the Quiver Dance set should be 60 Def / 252 SpA / 196 Spe, with Leftovers mentioned as a slash.

    196 speed EVs let it outspeed Choice Scarf Latios with a Chlorophyll boost and also lets it outspeed Jolteon and Aerodactyl outside of Sunlight with +1 Quiver Dance. It also outspeeds neutral base 80s and +speed base 70s without any boosts. It really doesn't need any more speed than that.

    The def EVs allow it to always survive LO Jolly Mamoswine's Ice Shard after Stealth Rock and gives it a better chance of surviving Adamant LO Ice Shard as well. Leftovers helps when facing powerful priority users so it's worth a slash. With LO, Lilligant can easily be revenge killed by Scizor, Mamoswine, and Breloom after it has taken SR damage and 1 round of LO recoil.

    I don't think Petal Dance deserves a mention. Being locked into a Grass move isn't the best idea considering how many things resist it.
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    The consensus so far is against Petal Dance. It's getting removed.

    That's the perfect spread for Modest Lilligant, Bribery, and Timid should be running 24 HP / 252 SpA / 228 Spe, which is enough to outspeed neutral base 100s without a Chlorophyll boost.

    EDIT: Sun UtiLily seems fine, but I haven't actually used it. Does anyone know if the set is really any good? I'll be testing it, but I'd like a few opinions.
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    Alright, I've tested Sun UtiLily. Heal Bell is second option, HP Fire first, HP Ice third.

    EDIT: I am finishing up the skeleton with three sections left: an extra set, other options, and checks and counters

    EDIT2: finished Sunny Day set

    EDIT3: finished OO, all that's left is checks and counters. will post once skeleton is complete
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    sorry for the triple post, but this is ready for QC
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    I’ve done a quick glance, and so far, I don’t really have anything to say, except everything here looks decent. One of the only things I’m unsure about is the Sunny Day set (why did we approve a Sunny Day set on Venusaur again?), which looks a little messy at the moment, with all the item and Grass-type STAB slashes. On top of that, I’m not sure you should be putting SolarBeam so high on top of that list of Grass-type STABs, though it can be consistently useful if you play with it smartly enough.

    Also, Sun UtiLily’s fine (seeing that it’s the most used set, last time I checked), though, yes, it can use an update. You may mention Hidden Power Ice as an option against boosting Dragon-types, since the rest of your teammates should already pack Fire-type moves of their own so Lilligant doesn’t have to. You also have to explain what Heal Bell is doing in that last slot since...well, Healing Wish is there, and it’s stated that you may replace Healing wish with a status-healing move.
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    So....
    Sunny Day
    - fix Grass-type move slashes (choose 1 or 2). I'm thinking take out Giga Drain and make Leaf Storm the main option, with Solarbeam in AC.

    - leave the item at Life Orb, with Heat Rock in AC and Leftovers removed

    Sun UtiLily
    - Hidden Power Rock / Hidden Power Fire in the last slot, with HP Ice in AC
    - Heal Bell in AC

    EDIT: .5 k fun

    EDIT2: made the above changes, as well as Healing Wish to AC on Sunny Day and putting Sun UtiLily on top. Any other issues?

    EDIT3: Largely based on the opinions I have gathered, I'm removing Sunny Day and moving Quiver Dance back to the top.

    EDIT4: had a conversation on #C&C with some QC members and did some stuff:
    - mentioned Venusaur as the premier Healing Wish recipient
    - mentioned that is outspeeds Terrakion with a neutral nature
    - mentioned 160 Spe to outspeed Timid Chlorophyll-boosted Venusaur on QD
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    You forgot to mention Volcorona as the premier (imo give it a bigger mention; a mention in both the set comments & ac should do the trick)

    otherwise

    QC APPROVED (1/3)
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    Lilligant is hot.

    [qc]2/3[/qc]
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    Everything got covered, so:

    QC Approved (3/3)
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    Bumping because this is written up and ready for any last nitpicks from QC and GP checks.
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    am gp check (open)


    It's just an amateur gp check, I tried to be thorough but didn't do much cleaning, just minor things.
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    Lilligant is female, so the biggest mistake was using 'it' instead of 'she' (though I'm not completely sure of what Smogon policy is about genders, since it varies between different analyses). That can be easily changed by using Word, though you should take a look at it still due to object pronouns.
    I hate using serial comma, but as far as I'm concerned I'm of the minority so I can't possibly correct it.
    Most comments are me asking questions, not so much influential to further changes.

    Overall it's great!! I know it seems like many corrections, but since most of them are about pronouns (which for all I know could still be right), you really did a great job. You forgot a few things so I added them, but that's all. Of course, you have no reason to use my corrections if you don't agree with me, but if you o, I'll be happy to provide a copypastable version...
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    This is a pretty good check at first glance, I'm going to look over it and see what I want to change. Thanks!
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    After checking over Ernesto's check, I made many of his changes and a few of my own. This still needs 2 checks, so please do them so this can be done.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Lilligant may at first seem outclassed by other sun sweepers such as Venusaur and Volcarona, having a virtually nonexistent offensive movepool and worse defenses, but with access to Quiver Dance, this is not the case. With it and Chlorophyll, Lilligant has a great niche as the fastest Quiver Dance user in the game with sun up. Her high 110 base Special Attack makes boosted attacks hit extremely hard, and, with a 90 base Speed, she outspeeds the most common Chlorophyll user, Venusaur. Lilligant even gets Sleep Powder, which helps her set up against troublesome opponents like Choice Band Tyranitar and Tentacruel. Even though her coverage is limited, with Giga Drain and her Hidden Power of choice being essentially all she gets, Lilligant has great potential as a sweeper when used correctly, and underestimating what she can do compared to other sun sweepers is a dire mistake.

    [SET]
    name: Quiver Dance
    move 1: Quiver Dance
    move 2: Sleep Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
    item: Life Orb / Lum Berry / Leftovers
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 60 Def / 252 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With Chlorophyll, Lilligant is the only Pokemon in OU that boosts its Speed not named Ninjask with amazing Speed before it even sets up, let alone after it sets up. She Lilligant has use at pretty much every point in the game, being able to put something to sleep early and sweep mid- or late-game. Unlike other sun sweepers, she is excellent against rain, as its Water-type sweepers fall to Giga Drain and the possible Dragonite and Therian formes of the genies fall to Hidden Power Ice. Sand does not like facing Lilligant either, especially if she is running Hidden Power Fire, as it often utilizes many Rock-, Ground-, and Steel-types weak to Lilligant's coverage. That is the main thing unique about Lilligant, as she is a sun sweeper but can smash apart other weather teams, giving her a somewhat unique position on sun teams. Another thing to note is that she outspeeds Choice Scarf Terrakion after a Chlorophyll boost with a neutral nature, which is something Venusaur only can dream of doing.</p>

    <p>Quiver Dance is among the best boosting moves in the game, eclipsed somewhat by only Shell Smash. It boosts Lilligant's two best stats, Special Attack and Speed, making it perhaps the most tailor-made Pokemon to use Quiver Dance other than Volcarona. Sleep Powder tends to help out a lot with setting up, as it can be essentially a death sentence for many Pokemon, as sleep mechanics reset the counter upon switching out, giving the sleeping Pokemon at least one turn of guaranteed uselessness every time it switches in. Sleep Powder is particularly useful against targets Lilligant needs a boost or two to KO, such as Tentacruel or Tyranitar in sand. Giga Drain is a great STAB move, especially because it helps helping mitigate the damage from Life Orb via recovering Lilligant's health when she attacks with it, as well as boasting a decent Base Power. The choice of Hidden Power has already been described above, basically boiling down to whether you want her to perform better against sand or rain, more simply defined as hitting Steel-types with Hidden Power Fire and the genies and Dragon-types like Salamence and Dragonite with Hidden Power Ice. Also, because Lilligant is best on sun teams, the rest of the team should have a method to handle Steel-types, so Hidden Power Fire isn't always necessary.</p>

    <p>Note that the given EV spread is best for Modest Lilligant, and 24 HP / 252 SpA / 228 Spe is preferable with a Timid nature, outspeeding neutral base 100s without a boost and everything bar +2 Landorus and Terrakion as well as +1 Ninjask with a boost, which she can never do without a boost either way. The given EV spread for a Modest nature outspeeds Scarf Latios with a Chlorophyll boost, neutral base 80s and positive base 70s without a boost, and Jolteon and Aerodactyl at +1 without a Chlorophyll boost; with the Defense EVs allows her to always survive Life Orb Ice Shard from Jolly Mamoswine, as well as increasing her chances at surviving Adamant variants.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Lilligant has many other options in the realm of Speed EVs. She can run 252 Spe with a Timid nature to help against Adamant Landorus-T and Adamant Lucario without any type of boost. 160 EVs can be run to outspeed Timid Venusaur, and is the best benchmark if running another option, which is 64 Special Defense EVs to survive Choice Scarf Politoed's Ice Beam. As for the nature, Modest is preferred for the extra power, but Timid is helpful as well for having the potential to outspeed neutral base 100s with the Chlorophyll boost and almost anything with it. As for the item, Life Orb is preferred for the great increase in power, but Lum Berry can help for switching into Toxic Spikes and setting up on Jirachi attempting to paralyze Lilligant if Lilligant herself is running Hidden Power Fire. Leftovers can also be used for passive recovery, given her a chance at getting off more than one or two more hits after surviving an Ice Shard from Mamoswine, though Giga Drain recovers its health and KOes Mamoswine, limiting the use of Leftovers.</p>

    <p>Other Hidden Powers can be used to hit designated targets. Hidden Power Rock can be run solely for Volcarona, while maintaining coverage against Flying-types such as Dragonite, Salamence, Thundurus-T, and Tornadus-T, as well as super effective coverage against Gyarados and hitting Fire-types that resist Giga Drain. Hidden Power Ground can be used to get past Heatran, while also hitting Fire-types as Hidden Power Rock does. The latter has much more limited application, but at the same time is very potent against the named targets. Lilligant can also run Sunny Day to function as a backup sun setter and to more easily facilitate her own sweep, but struggles to find a moveslot for it, especially because it would be competing with Sleep Powder, a vital move on Lilligant. Not to mention that Lilligant doesn't always need sun to function,so she can often be even more of a wasted move.</p>

    <p>As far as support is concerned, Ninetales is a given as Lilligant, while she can function in other weathers, is first and foremost a sun sweeper, and Ninetales benefits from Lilligant being excellent against rain, and to a lesser extent, sand. Stealth Rock and Spikes, from partners like Dugtrio, Landorus-T, and Forretress, are extremely useful, especially considering that a boosted Lilligant is very threatening and can force many switches. as well as Sleep Powder forcing Sleep Powder forces many Pokemon out as well, racking up entry hazard damage to the point where Lilligant can function as a sort of cleaner, finishing off games. The former two also benefit from the removal of physical walls, namely Gliscor, Ferrothorn, and Skarmory. A Toxic Spikes absorber like Venusaur, Tentacruel, or Amoonguss is crucial, as Lilligant hates Toxic Spikes. The former can punch holes for Lilligant to sweep, or even the reverse, with Lilligant setting up a sweep for Venusaur. The aforementioned Dugtrio is helpful for trapping and KOing Heatran and other Fire-types if Lilligant isn't running Hidden Power Rock or Ground. Gothitelle or Magnezone can be helpful for trapping and KOing Steel-types if Hidden Power Fire is not run. A Choice Scarf user like Salamence or Latios that can take on the genies and Dragon-types is helpful if Hidden Power Ice is not run, as Lilligant struggles with them without it. Ground-types like Landorus-T can help for KOing Heatran and other Fire-types if Hidden Power Ground is not run. A lot of the support that is what support is needed is all based on what Hidden Power is being run.</p>

    <p>Where actual partners are concerned, the best is the aforementioned Venusaur, as both can set up sweeps for one another, mixed Venusaur being particularly potent with its counters removed by Lilligant. Volcarona is also excellent, as Lilligant is great at facilitating a Volcarona sweep, KOing the bulky Water-types Volcarona hates if not running Giga Drain, and Volcarona would much prefer to run a Hidden Power, Roost, or even Rest. Essentially anything that likes bulky Water-types removed will enjoy having Lilligant as a partner, ranging from frail attackers like Infernape to slow attackers like Conkeldurr.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Sun UtiLily
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Healing Wish
    move 3: Sleep Powder
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Modest
    evs: 60 Def / 252 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Instead of the usual Quiver Dance sweeper, Lilligant can take a supportive role on sun teams. Her main niche is as the fastest user of Healing Wish in the game. It can give certain Pokemon, especially Volcarona, the premier recipient, a second chance at sweeping when they are at low health, at the cost of Lilligant itself, so it must be used with great care. Volcarona is the premier recipient because it normally only has one or two times it can switch into Stealth Rock from full health (depending on whether or not it has to take a hit), and because Healing Wish acts before entry hazards, Volcarona is given another shot at surviving entry hazards. This is true of many other Pokemon as well when they are in range of being KOed by entry hazards. Leaf Storm is almost like a nuke, punching huge holes in anything that does not resist it. It is so powerful that Tyranitar cannot survive it even under its preferred weather, while Politoed is also cleanly OHKOed. Sleep Powder is as dangerous as it is on the Quiver Dance set, however, instead of helping Lilligant sweep, it helps teammates sweep. Hidden Power Rock is great for coverage against Volcarona and other Fire-types, while also getting coverage on Flying-types like Dragonite, Salamence, the genies, and Gyarados. Hidden Power Fire also has use when against Steel-types like Ferrothorn and Forretress.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread remains the same as Quiver Dance because there really is no better spread, although surviving Mamoswine's Ice Shard can become much more crucial when considering this Lilligant wants to survive as long as possible until she is ready to go for Healing Wish, and surviving Ice Shard can give her the ability to pull off a Healing Wish. (you need to explain the EV spread, treat each set separately) 24 HP / 242 SpA / 228 Spe with a Timid nature can be used to outspeed base 100s without a boost, but that is much less relevant when considering that this Lilligant will almost always be under sunlight. 64 EVs can be moved to Special Defense to survive Choice Scarf Politoed's Ice Beam and KO with Leaf Storm, but Mamoswine's Ice Shard is much more of an issue, as Politoed has trouble switching in, as it fears losing the weather war against Ninetales by falling to Leaf Storm. A Modest nature gives maximum power in conjunction with Life Orb. Leftovers may also be used to give passive recovery, but Life Orb is almost always preferred to give Leaf Storm the maximum possible damage output.</p>

    <p>As with the Quiver Dance set, this set has other options for Hidden Power. Hidden Power Ice is the main one alternative Hidden Power type for its coverage against for Dragon-types and the genies, but Hidden Power Ground is also viable to hit Heatran, as well as maintaining coverage on other Fire-types. Another option is Aromatherapy over Healing Wish if you only need Lilligant to heal status and not need to kill herself to do so. This turns Lilligant into a much less unique support Pokemon and makes her compete with Celebi for space on a team, and Celebi's much higher bulk and Speed without a Chlorophyll boost makes it superior if Lilligant is not running Healing Wish, though Lilligant still stands out with Sleep Powder. She also competes with Roserade, who has access to Sleep Powder and Aromatherapy, as well as having access to the elusive Toxic Spikes and more Special Attack, making it so she hits harder with Leaf Storm than Lilligant.</p>

    <p>This set really doesn't need much support. Ninetales is a given for this set, as it is made for sun teams, and Lilligant can remove Tyranitar, Politoed, Hippowdon, and even Abomasnow, but there really isn't much else. What she really needs is partners that appreciate sleeping Pokemon: think Dragon Dance Salamence, Swords Dance Breloom, Calm Mind Gothitelle, Bulk Up Conkeldurr, Growth Venusaur, Dragon Dance Salamence and, of course, Quiver Dance Volcarona. Note that the former and latter latter two love Healing Wish as well because they are weak to Stealth Rock. Without something like one of those Pokemon, this set is pretty much wasted. Otherwise, this set really stands on its own, a great supporter for any team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>For a Pokemon with such a shallow movepool, Lilligant actually has a decent amount of things she can do other than what is talked about above. The first of which is SubSeed, which is pretty good considering how fast Lilligant is after a Chlorophyll boost, but Jumpluff and Whimsicott essentially outclass Lilligant at the strategy. Synthesis can be used as well for recovering two-thirds of her HP in sun, but drops to a measly one-third once an opposing weather inducer comes in, and Lilligant struggles to find space for it on its moveset. Stun Spore is outclassed by Sleep Powder, as sleep is much more potent than paralysis, arguably, so there isn't much room for it either. Petal Dance can be used, either with a Lum Berry or with Own Tempo, but Grass has a lot of resistances, so it leaves Lilligant prone to being setup on and/or KOed. Don't use Energy Ball, as the 5 Base Power it has over Giga Drain may seem appealing, but the power difference is meaningless and you lose the recovery that Lilligant loves from Giga Drain. Use Leaf Storm to hit harder, or Sunny Day + SolarBeam to hit a tad weaker but more consistently.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Lilligant's counters are mainly based on her Hidden Power of choice. If not running Hidden Power Fire, Scizor, Ferrothorn, Jirachi, Forretress, Skarmory, Lucario, and Bronzong do fairly well against her. Note that Skarmory is shaky, as a boosted Hidden Power Ice and Rock can do a number, but Brave Bird does a lot in return. Lucario is shaky as well because Lilligant can just put it to sleep and setup to a point where it can be KOed by Giga Drain. Dragonite, Tornadus-T, Thundurus-T, Latios, Latias, Haxorus, and Hydreigon do well if she isn't running Hidden Power Ice, though the former three are hit hard by Hidden Power Rock as well. Thundurus-T is fairly frail, and sun-boosted Hidden Power Fire does a number. Hidden Power Rock and Ground are rare, so Volcarona and Heatran are pretty much solid counters, taking anything Lilligant throws at them and retaliating with sun- plus STAB-boosted Fire-type attacks. The same goes for Ninetales and other Fire-types like Chandelure. However, Volcarona is OHKOed with a +1 Hidden Power Fire after Stealth Rock damage, so it must have Stealth Rock off the field for it to do any good against Lilligant.</p>

    <p>Any good special wall not weak to one of Lilligant's attacks, namely specially defensive Deoxys-D, Blissey, and Chansey, can wall Lilligant pretty easily. However, they are vulnerable to being put to sleep and being set up on, though they can all status Lilligant in the form of Thunder Wave or Toxic, reducing her sweeping capabilities immensely. Tentacruel can take on Lilligant once something is already asleep and if Lilligant has not acquired many boosts, but only if it carries Ice Beam or the rare Venoshock. Tentacruel also sets up the Toxic Spikes that Lilligant hates. Sand is also a huge problem, as sand + Life Orb means Lilligant will die extremely quickly.</p>

    <p>Without any boosts from Chlorophyll or Quiver Dance, Lilligant is open to being KOed by anything faster. This ranges from Choice Scarf users to Pokemon naturally faster, including but not limited to Tornadus-T, Terrakion, Salamence, and Starmie. Speaking of Starmie, Timid Choice Scarf Starmie outspeeds 196 Spe Lilligant even after a Chlorophyll boost, easily KOing with Ice Beam or sun-boosted Hidden Power Fire. Priority from likes of Mamoswine and Breloom does a number as well, especially considering the fact that Lilligant is fairly frail. Overall, your best bet against Lilligant is removing her beloved sun, using priority, or any Scarf user with a base Speed greater than 110 and a Speed-boosting nature.</p>


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    Thanks a lot Poppy, I implemented most of your changes except:

    • the &mdash; in the overview, it doesn't really make sense
    • I did this: "make more easily facilitate her own sweep easier" instead of this: "more easily facilitate her own sweep easier"
    • I did this: "can help for forcing out or KOing Heatran" instead of this: "help fby threatening or KOing Heatran"
    • I only put "sand" for the fourth-to-last sentence of the first paragraph of Sun UtiLily: I did not add your "the"
    • In the second-to-last sentence of OO, I did not make the change from "meaningless" to "useless"

    I made a few of my own changes were I saw fit, as I went over the analysis as I was going over your check to see what I was going to change. All of your other changes have been made. Thanks for the check, you gave some excellent changes!

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    [Overview]

    <p>Lilligant might at first seem outclassed by other sun sweepers such as Venusaur and Volcarona, having a virtually nonexistent offensive movepool and inferior defenses, but with access to Quiver Dance, this is not the case. When paired with Chlorophyll, Lilligant has a great niche as the fastest Quiver Dance user in the game with sun up. Her high 110 base Special Attack makes boosted attacks hit extremely hard, and, with a 90 base Speed, she outspeeds the most common Chlorophyll user, Venusaur. Lilligant even gets Sleep Powder, which helps her set up against troublesome opponents like Choice Band Tyranitar and Tentacruel. Even though Lilligant's coverage is limited, with Giga Drain and her Hidden Power of choice being essentially all she gets, Lilligant has great potential as a sweeper when used correctly, and underestimating what she can do compared to other sun sweepers is a dire mistake.

    [SET]
    name: Quiver Dance
    move 1: Quiver Dance
    move 2: Sleep Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
    item: Life Orb / Lum Berry / Leftovers
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 60 Def / 252 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Lilligant has use at pretty much every point in the game, being able to put something to sleep early and sweep mid- or late-game. Unlike Fire-type sweepers, she is excellent against rain, as its Water-type sweepers fall to Giga Drain and the possible Dragonite and Therian formes of the genies fall to Hidden Power Ice. Sand does not like facing Lilligant either, especially if she is running Hidden Power Fire, as it often utilizes many Rock-, Ground-, and Steel-types weak to Lilligant's coverage. That is the main thing unique about Lilligant, as she is a sun sweeper but can smash apart other weather teams, giving her a somewhat unique position on sun teams. Another thing to note is that she outspeeds Choice Scarf Terrakion after a Chlorophyll boost with a neutral nature, which is something Venusaur only can dream of doing.</p>

    <p>Quiver Dance is among the best boosting moves in the game, only eclipsed somewhat by Shell Smash. It boosts Lilligant's two best stats, Special Attack and Speed, making it perhaps the most tailor-made Pokemon to use Quiver Dance other than Volcarona. Sleep Powder tends to help out a lot with setting up, as it can be essentially a death sentence for many Pokemon, as sleep mechanics reset the counter upon switching out, giving the sleeping Pokemon at least one turn of guaranteed uselessness every time it switches in. Sleep Powder is particularly useful against targets that Lilligant needs a boost or two to KO, such as Tentacruel or Tyranitar in sand. Giga Drain is a great STAB move, especially because it helps mitigate the damage from Life Orb via recovering Lilligant's health when she attacks with it, as well as boasting a decent Base Power. The choice of Hidden Power has already been discussed above, basically boiling down to whether you want her to perform better against sand or rain. Also, because Lilligant is best on sun teams, the rest of the team should have a method to handle Steel-types, so Hidden Power Fire isn't always necessary.</p>

    <p>Note that the given EV spread is best for Modest Lilligant, and 24 HP / 252 SpA / 228 Spe is preferable with a Timid nature, outspeeding neutral base 100s without a boost and everything bar +2 Landorus and Terrakion as well as +1 Ninjask with a boost. The given EV spread for a Modest nature outspeeds Scarf Latios with a Chlorophyll boost, neutral base 80s and positive base 70s without a boost, and Jolteon and Aerodactyl at +1 without a Chlorophyll boost;, while the Defense EVs allow her to always survive Life Orb Ice Shard from Jolly Mamoswine, as well as increasing her chances at surviving Adamant variants.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Lilligant has many other options in the realm of Speed EVs. She can run 252 Spe with a Timid nature to help against Adamant Landorus-T and Adamant Lucario without any type of boost. 160 EVs can be run to outspeed Timid Venusaur, allowing Lilligant to invest 64 Special Defense EVs to survive Choice Scarf Politoed's Ice Beam. As for the nature, Modest is preferred for the extra power, but Timid is helpful as well for having the potential to outspeed neutral base 100s with the Chlorophyll boost and almost anything with it. As for the item, Life Orb is preferred for the great increase in power, but Lum Berry can help for switching into Toxic Spikes and setting up on Jirachi attempting to paralyze Lilligant if she is running Hidden Power Fire. Leftovers can also be used for passive recovery, giving her a chance at getting off more than one or two more hits after surviving an Ice Shard from Mamoswine, though Giga Drain recovers its her (I figured that, since you've used "her" throughout, you shouldn't switch to "it") health and KOes Mamoswine, limiting the use of Leftovers.</p>

    <p>Other Hidden Powers can be used to hit certain targets. Hidden Power Rock can be run solely for Volcarona, while maintaining coverage against Flying-types such as Dragonite, Salamence, Thundurus-T, and Tornadus-T, as well as super effective coverage against Gyarados and hitting Fire-types that resist Giga Drain. Hidden Power Ground can be used to get past Heatran, while also hitting Fire-types as Hidden Power Rock does. The latter has much more limited application, but at the same time is very potent against the aforementioned targets. Lilligant can also run Sunny Day to function as a backup sun setter and to make her own sweep easier, but struggles to find a moveslot for it, especially because it would be competing with Sleep Powder, a vital move on Lilligant. This is not to mention that Lilligant doesn't always need sun to function.</p>

    <p>As far as support is concerned, Ninetales is a given as Lilligant, while she can function in other weathers, is first and foremost a sun sweeper; reciprocatively, Ninetales benefits from Lilligant being excellent against rain, and to a lesser extent, sand. Stealth Rock and Spikes, from partners like Dugtrio, Landorus-T, and Forretress, are extremely useful, especially considering that a boosted Lilligant is very threatening and can force many switches. Sleep Powder forces many Pokemon out as well, racking up entry hazard damage to the point where Lilligant can function as a late-game cleaner, finishing off games. The former two also benefit from the removal of physical walls, namely Gliscor, Ferrothorn, and Skarmory. A Toxic Spikes absorber like Venusaur, Tentacruel, or Amoonguss is crucial, as Lilligant hates Toxic Spikes. The former can punch holes for Lilligant to sweep, and vice versa. The aforementioned Dugtrio is helpful for trapping and KOing Heatran and other Fire-types if Lilligant isn't running Hidden Power Rock or Ground. Gothitelle or Magnezone can be helpful for trapping and KOing Steel-types if Hidden Power Fire is not run. A Choice Scarf user like Salamence or Latios that can take on the genies and Dragon-types is helpful if Hidden Power Ice is not run. Ground-types like Landorus-T can help by forcing out or KOing Heatran and other Fire-types if Hidden Power Ground is not run. A lot of the support that is needed is all based on what Hidden Power is being run.</p>

    <p>Where actual partners are concerned, the best is the aforementioned Venusaur, as both can set up sweeps for one another: mixed Venusaur is particularly potent after its counters are removed by Lilligant. Volcarona is also excellent, as Lilligant is great at facilitating a Volcarona sweep, KOing the bulky Water-types Volcarona hates if it is not running Giga Drain, and Volcarona would much prefer to run a Hidden Power, Roost, or even Rest. Essentially anything that likes bulky Water-types removed will enjoy having Lilligant as a partner, ranging from frail attackers like Infernape to slow attackers like Conkeldurr.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Sun UtiLily
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Healing Wish
    move 3: Sleep Powder
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Modest
    evs: 60 Def / 252 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Instead of the usual Quiver Dance sweeper, Lilligant can take a supportive role on sun teams. Her main niche is as the fastest user of Healing Wish in the game. It can give certain Pokemon, especially Volcarona, the premier recipient, a second chance at sweeping when they are at low health or afflicted with crippling status, at the cost of Lilligant herself, so it must be used with great care. Volcarona is the premier recipient because it normally only has one or two times it can switch into Stealth Rock from full health (depending on whether or not it has to take a hit), and because Healing Wish acts before entry hazards, Volcarona is given another shot at surviving entry hazards. This is also true of many other Pokemon when they are in range of being KOed by entry hazards. Leaf Storm is almost like a nuke, punching huge holes in anything that does not resist it. It is so powerful that Tyranitar cannot survive it even under sand; Politoed is also cleanly OHKOed. Sleep Powder is as dangerous as it is on the Quiver Dance set,; however, instead of helping Lilligant sweep, it helps teammates sweep. Hidden Power Rock is great for coverage against Volcarona and other Fire-types, while also getting coverage on Flying-types like Dragonite, Salamence, the genies, and Gyarados. Hidden Power Fire also has use when against Steel-types like Ferrothorn and Forretress.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread allows Lilligant to outspeed positive base 80s and neutral base 70s, as well as Scarf Latios with a Chlorophyll boost. The Defense EVs allow Lilligant to always survive an Ice Shard from Jolly Mamoswine, as well as giving it a decent chance at surviving the move from Adamant variants. Lilligant can then OHKO with a powerful Leaf Storm. 24 HP / 242 SpA / 228 Spe with a Timid nature can be used to outspeed base 100s without a boost, but that is much less relevant when considering that this Lilligant will almost always be under sunlight. 64 EVs can be moved to Special Defense to survive Choice Scarf Politoed's Ice Beam and KO with Leaf Storm, but Mamoswine's Ice Shard is much more of an issue, as Politoed has trouble switching in, as it fears losing the weather war against Ninetales by falling to Leaf Storm. A Modest nature gives maximum power in conjunction with Life Orb. Leftovers may also be used to give passive recovery, but Life Orb is almost always preferred to give Leaf Storm the maximum possible damage output.</p>

    <p>Hidden Power Ice is the main alternative Hidden Power type for its coverage against Dragon-types and the genies, but Hidden Power Ground is also viable to hit Heatran, as well as maintaining coverage on other Fire-types. Another option is Aromatherapy over Healing Wish if you only need Lilligant to heal status, which has the advantage of not killing herself. This turns Lilligant into a much less unique support Pokemon and makes her compete with Celebi for space on a team, and Celebi's much higher bulk and slightly better Speed without a Chlorophyll boost makes it superior if Lilligant is not running Healing Wish, though Lilligant still stands out with Sleep Powder. She also competes with Roserade, who has access to Sleep Powder and Aromatherapy, as well as having access to the elusive Toxic Spikes and more Special Attack, making it so she hits harder with Leaf Storm than Lilligant.</p>

    <p>This set really doesn't need much support. Ninetales is a given for this set, as it is made for sun teams, and Lilligant can remove Tyranitar, Politoed, Hippowdon, and even Abomasnow, but there really isn't much else. What she really needs is partners that appreciate sleeping Pokemon: think Swords Dance Breloom, Calm Mind Gothitelle, Bulk Up Conkeldurr, Growth Venusaur, Dragon Dance Salamence and, of course, Quiver Dance Volcarona. Note that the latter two love Healing Wish as well because they are weak to Stealth Rock. Without something like one of those Pokemon, this set is pretty much wasted. Otherwise, this set really stands out on its own, and is a great supporter for any team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>For a Pokemon with such a shallow movepool, Lilligant actually has a decent amount of things she can do other than what is discussed above. The first of these is SubSeed, which is pretty good considering how fast Lilligant is after a Chlorophyll boost, but Jumpluff and Whimsicott essentially outclass Lilligant at this strategy. Synthesis can be used, recovering two-thirds of her HP in sun, but unfortunately drops to a measly one-third once an opposing weather inducer comes in, and Lilligant struggles to find space for it on its moveset. Stun Spore is outclassed by Sleep Powder, as sleep is much more potent than paralysis most of the time, so there isn't much room for it either. Petal Dance can be used, either with a Lum Berry or with Own Tempo to avoid confusion, but Grass has a lot of resists, so it leaves Lilligant prone to being setup on or KOed. Don't use Energy Ball, as while the 5 Base Power it has over Giga Drain may seem appealing, but the power difference is meaningless., and Lilligant loses the recovery from Giga Drain that she loves. Lastly, she can use Leaf Storm to hit harder, or Sunny Day + SolarBeam to hit a tad weaker than the former but more consistently.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Lilligant's counters are mainly based on her Hidden Power of choice. If not running Hidden Power Fire, Scizor, Ferrothorn, Jirachi, Forretress, Skarmory, Lucario, and Bronzong do fairly well against her. Note that Skarmory is shaky, as a boosted Hidden Power Ice and Rock can do a number, but Brave Bird does a lot in return. Lucario is shaky as well because Lilligant can just put it to sleep and set (space!) up to a point where it can be KOed by Giga Drain. Dragonite, Tornadus-T, Thundurus-T, Latios, Latias, Haxorus, and Hydreigon do well if she isn't running Hidden Power Ice, though the former three are hit hard by Hidden Power Rock as well. Thundurus-T is fairly frail, and sun-boosted Hidden Power Fire does a number. Hidden Power Rock and Ground are rare, so Volcarona and Heatran are pretty much solid counters, taking anything Lilligant throws at them and retaliating with sun- plus STAB-boosted Fire-type attacks. The same goes for Ninetales and other Fire-types like Chandelure. However, Volcarona is OHKOed with by a +1 Hidden Power Fire after Stealth Rock damage, so it must have Stealth Rock off the field for it to do any good against Lilligant.</p>

    <p>Any good special wall not weak to one of Lilligant's attacks, namely specially defensive Deoxys-D, Blissey, and Chansey, can wall Lilligant pretty easily. However, they are vulnerable to being put to sleep and being set up on, though they can all status Lilligant in the form of Thunder Wave or Toxic, reducing her sweeping capabilities immensely. Tentacruel can take on Lilligant once something is already asleep and if Lilligant has not acquired many boosts, but only if it carries Ice Beam or the rare Venoshock. Tentacruel also sets up the Toxic Spikes that Lilligant hates. Sand is also a huge problem, as sand + Life Orb recoil means Lilligant will die extremely quickly.</p>

    <p>Without any boosts from Chlorophyll or Quiver Dance, Lilligant is open to being KOed by anything faster. This ranges from Choice Scarf users to Pokemon naturally faster Pokemon, including but not limited to Tornadus-T, Terrakion, Salamence, and Starmie. Speaking of Starmie, Timid Choice Scarf Starmie outspeeds 196 Spe Lilligant even after a Chlorophyll boost, easily KOing with Ice Beam or sun-boosted Hidden Power Fire. Priority from likes of Mamoswine and Breloom does a number as well, especially considering the fact that Lilligant is fairly frail. Overall, your best bet against Lilligant is removing her beloved sun, using priority, or any Scarf user with a base Speed greater than 110 and a Speed-boosting nature.</p>
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