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Lilligant (Analysis)

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  1. Cassie

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    Lilligant

    [Overview]

    <p>Lilligant is one of four Pokemon that receives Chlorophyll as its ability this generation. Although it's a pure Grass-type in a tier with many common Flying-types, it can do surprisingly well with Sunny Day support, even with its below average defenses. Keeping it alive is the biggest problem, though, as Lilligant can't take many hits. A decent base 90 Speed, high 110 base Special Attack, and access to Chlorophyll are Lilligant's strong points, so you'll find that with the right support, Lilligant can be a deadly foe.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Sunny Day Special Attacker
    move 1: Leaf Storm / Solarbeam
    move 2: Hidden Power Rock
    move 3: Sleep Powder
    move 4: Protect / Quiver Dance
    nature: Modest
    ability: Chlorophyll
    item: Life Orb
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe


    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is meant to be used under Sunny Day conditions. Leaf Storm and Solarbeam are the strongest STAB choices for Lilligant, and with Sunny Day Solarbeam does not have to waste a turn charging. Solarbeam is usually preferred as Leaf Storm will lower Lilligant's Special Attack two stages, but if Sunny Day support is unavailable Leaf Storm becomes the primary option. Sleep Powder allows Lilligant to support its team by putting opponents to sleep, and in the sun Lilligant can outspeed nearly every Pokemon and put it to sleep before it can attack. The choice between Protect or Quiver Dance is one between security and power. Protect is usually preferred, as many of the common Pokemon in VGC 2011 can OHKO Lilligant, and with Lilligant's weaknesses it will have few opportunities to set up with Quiver Dance. Protect allows Lilligant to shield itself from blows that could KO it while its teammates take out the threat. Hidden Power Rock hits the Flying-type Pokemon that resist Lilligant's STAB attacks, also nailing Chandelure for super effective damage. A Modest nature is preferred when the sun is up, because with Chlorophyll activated Lilligant is already outspeeding most Pokemon. Life Orb adds to the damage Lilligant can deal, and thus is the item of choice here.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>If you don't like the idea of Lilligant being OHKOed before it can attack, Focus Sash is a viable item in place of Life Orb. Quiver Dance allows Lilligant to set up after Sleep Powder, which is extremely useful if you can keep Lilligant from fainting. After a Quiver Dance Lilligant can OHKO Pokemon that normally counter it, such as Tornadus, Thundurus, and Chandelure, with Hidden Power Rock. With 252 EVs in Special Attack along with Life Orb, Lilligant can OHKO Terrakion with Solarbeam. With the sun up and 252 Speed EVs, the only Pokemon that can outspeed Lilligant are fellow Chlorophyll abusers Sawsbuck and Leavanny, which allows Lilligant to run a Modest nature with close-to-no drawbacks.</p>

    <p>Fire-types or Wide Guard users are the best partners for Lilligant. Chandelure is common, so Heat Wave is definitely a threat. With a partner using Wide Guard and good prediction, Lilligant can avoid being OHKOed by Heat Wave, and hit back hard with a super effective Hidden Power Rock. A Fire-type partner discourages the use of Heat Wave by Chandelure and Volcarona. Whimsicott sets Sunny Day faster than any other Pokemon usable in the VGC 2011 tier, so it is definitely a good teammate for Lilligant. If Teeter Dance is being used, a partner with the ability Prankster can use Substitute to prevent becoming confused.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Another possibility for Lilligant's STAB move would be Giga Drain. Although it has less power, the restored HP can really help Lilligant survive longer. Hidden Power Rock can allow 4 Speed EVs to be invested in HP instead. Hidden Power Ice can also be used over Hidden Power Rock; It still hits Flying-type Pokemon hard, and scores super effective damage on Hydreigon, but then Lilligant will not be able to do anything to Chandelure. Teeter Dance also deserves a mention, being able to confuse all Pokemon on the field. A partner with either Protect or Wide Guard is needed if Teeter Dance is going to be used, however, to keep Lilligant's partner from being confused too. With 100% accuracy and a 50% chance of the foe hurting itself in confusion, Teeter Dance could be considered more viable than Sleep Powder. Confusion from Teeter Dance either forces a switch or the opponent has to risk a 50% chance of hurting itself, which can ruin unprepared teams.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>With Lilligant's below average defenses, most Fire- and Flying-type moves can OHKO it. The extremely common genies and Chandelure are definite threats that can easily take out Lilligant before it deals any damage. Amoonguss walls Lilligant, has access to Spore, and even with a Quiver Dance, Lilligant can only 3HKO physically defensive Amoonguss with Hidden Power Rock. Virizion can counter Lilligant lacking Hidden Power Ice, and even after a Quiver Dance Lilligant can manage a 2HKO on Virizion. Without Hidden Power Ice Lilligant is also walled by Hydregion, though after a Quiver Dance a Lilligant with Hidden Power Ice has a 92.3% chance to OHKO 4 / 0 Hydregion. The low accuracy of Sleep Powder makes it hard for Lilligant to survive more than one hit from anything if Sleep Powder misses.</p>
  2. muffinhead

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    just a small thing: thanks to hp rock, only 248 speed EVs are needed. also mention whimsicott to get up instant sun :3
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    EVs: 4 Hp/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe

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    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    edit edit: yeah i also meant that 248 and 252 get the same stat, but yeah i derped
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    Teeter dance is how the cool kids roll.
  4. PlatinumDude

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    Just a couple options I thought of: If Lilligant is paired with Archeops, Lilligant can use Entrainment or Worry Seed to change Archeops' Defeatist to something else. It can also use those moves to screw with Pokemon reliant on their abilities.

    Lilligant can also use Helping Hand to boost the power of its partner's moves, or Safeguard to protect the team from status for a while (or Aromatherapy to cure it).

    Focus Sash can also be considered to ensure Lilligant gets an attack in before going down.

    So yeah, Lilligant's defenses aren't the best, but those options could work if pulled off right.
  5. Red

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    What has helped me many times before, is actually the usage of attract. Surprisingly, there is an influx of amount of males in the 5th generation metagame. A good viable set would be:

    Lilligant @ Focus Sash
    Name: Attract
    Nature: Timid
    Ability: Own Tempo
    EV: 4HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Move 1: Attract
    Move 2: Hidden Power Rock
    Move 3: Quiver Dance
    Move 4: Giga Drain / Petal Dance

    Attract has 100% accuracy, and 50% Immobilization rate. Although this set probibly requires luck, it can be relied upon over Sleep Powder or Teeter Dance. Before anyone flames me, think about it. Lilligant has poor coverage by itself, relying on a Hidden power to cover its weaknesses. Putting this aside, If you are using this pokemon, generally you run the risk of encountering its most common counters, i.e. Dragons, etc. This pokemon would be much more suited in UU / NU rather then VGC's but at least this set gives a haxxy chance to set up + 2 Quiver Dance which enables Lilligant to outspeed most LO Dragons, etc.

    Again, most users have male pokemon on their teams, as for some reason they are more dominant in battle. Few Genderless pokemon in 5th Generation can counter wall, save for Cryogonal And a Few dragons

    Own Tempo and Petal Dance can be used also, to prevent confusion, amd a great STAB move.

    This is just my diffrent and awkward take on Lilligant

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    In the sun, Hidden Power Fire could be used.
    With an added boost frok the sun, Lilligant can take down doubles Amoongus. Although this severly limits the ability to check other counters, it really is best to pair lilligant with a pokemon that can check her counters.
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    All of the males are because that is the default on PO. Youll have far less success on wifi.
  7. JRank

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    I think Focus Sash deserves a mention with all of the Heat Waves and Acrobatics being thrown around. Also, if you're going to give Timid a mention in the set comments, you might as well slash it in with Modest, or drop the mention to AC or even OO.

    Expand on this a bit maybe?
  8. Cassie

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    Done. n_n as for the other sets, I really don't think they should be mentioned as VGC is way to fast paced to really set up anything.
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    expand on teeter dance like JRank said, 1/2

    Oh and just a nitpick, I would prefer if HP Rock and Sleep Powder's order were switched.
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    There's only so much this can do. Expand on Teeter Dance. Otherwise OK.

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    [Overview]

    <p>Lilligant is one of four Pokemon that receives Chlorophyll as its ability this generation. Although it's a pure Grass-type in a tier with many common Flying-types, it can do surprisingly well in Sunny Day conditions with Sunny Day support, even with its below average defenses. Keeping it alive is the biggest problem, though, as Lilligant can't take many hits. It's base 90 Speed that's doubled with Chlorophyll, as well as it's base 110 special attack are definitely it's strong points. The right support can make Lilligant deadly to many opponents A decent base 90 Speed, high 110 base Special Attack, and access to Chlorophyll are Lilligant's strong points. Overall, with the right support, Lilligant can be a deadly foe.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Sunny Day Attacker
    move 1: Leaf Storm / Solarbeam
    move 2: Hidden Power Rock
    move 3: Sleep Powder
    move 4: Protect / Quiver Dance
    nature: Modest
    ability: Chlorophyll
    item: Life Orb
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe


    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is meant to be used under Sunny Day conditions. Modest is preferred when sun is up. Life Orb adds to the damage Lilligant can deal. Leaf Storm and Solarbeam are the strongest STAB choices for Lilligant, and with Sunny Day Solarbeam does not have to waste a turn charging. hits first turn. Solarbeam is usually preferred as Leaf Storm will lower Lilligant's Special Attack by two stages, but if Sunny Day support is not available, Leaf Storm becomes the primary option. Sleep Powder allows Lilligant to support its team by putting opponents to sleep, and in sun Lilligant can outspeed nearly every Pokemon and put it to sleep before it can attack. gives Lilligant and it's teammates an upper hand, and can be incredibly useful in several situations. Sleep Powder The choice between Protect or Quiver Dance is basically a choice one between security and power. Protect is usually preferred, as many of the VGC 2011 common Pokemon in VGC 2011 can OHKO Lilligant, and with Lilligant's weaknesses it will have few opportunities to set up with Quiver Dance. Protect also allows Lilligant to shield itself from blows that could KO it while its teammates takes out the threat. Hidden Power Rock hits the Flying-type Pokemon that resist Lilligant's Leavanny's STAB attacks, as well as being able to hit Chandelure for super effective damage. A Modest nature is preferred when sun is up, because with Chlorophyll Lilligant is already outspeeding most Pokemon. Life Orb adds to the damage Lilligant can deal. </p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>If you don't like the idea of Lilligant being OHKOed before it can attack, Focus Sash is a viable item in place of Life Orb. If the idea of Lilligant being taken out before it even gets a chance to hit anything is distasteful, Focus Sash can be used instead. Quiver Dance allows Lilligant to set up after Sleep Powder, which is extremely useful if you can keep Lilligant from fainting. After a Quiver Dance Lilligant can OHKO Pokemon that normally counter it, such as Tornadus, Thundurus, and Chandelure with Hidden Power Rock. Lilligant can take on Jellicent, both outspeeding and KOing it in Sunny conditions. It also deals around 75% to several of the common VGC 2011 Pokemon that don't resist it. Having the chance to set up a Quiver Dance, Lilligant can possibly OHKO Chandelure, Tornadus, Thundurus, and Bisharp, which it otherwise couldn't. With 252 EVs in Special Attack along with Life Orb, Lilligant can OHKO Terrakion with Solarbeam. With sun up and 252 Speed EVs, the only Pokemon that can outspeed Lilligant are Sawsbuck and Leavanny, which allows Lilligant to run a Modest nature with few drawbacks. </p> The only Pokemon that can outspeed Lilligant are Sawsbuck and Leavanny when Sunny Day is up. </p>

    <p>Fire-types or Wide Guard users are the best partners for Lilligant. Chandelure is common, so, Heat Wave is definitely a threat. With a Wide Guard partner using Wide Guard and good prediction, Lilligant can avoid being OHKO'd OHKOed by Heat Wave, and hit back hard with a super effective Hidden Power Rock. A Fire-types partner discourages the use of Heat Wave, which is common on Chandelure and Volcarona. Whimsicott sets sun up faster than any other Pokemon usable in the VGC 2011 tier, so it is definitely a possible choice for that when choosing Lilligant's partners a good teammate for Lilligant.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>If speed is a concern, Lilligant can always run Timid instead. (you're outrunning almost everything in sun so Timid isn't needed) Another possibility for Lilligant's STAB move would be Giga Drain. Although it has less power, the restored HP can really help Lilligant survive longer. Hidden Power Rock can allow 4 Speed EVs to be invested in HP instead. Hidden Power Ice can also be used over Hidden Power Rock. It can still hits Flying-type Pokemon hard, and hits Hydregion for super effective damage, but it loses out on being able to do anything to Chandelure. Teeter Dance also deserves a mention, being able to confuse all Pokemon on the field. Either A partner with a either Protect or Wide Guard is needed if Teeter Dance is going to be used, however, to keep Lilligant's partners from being confused, too. preferred to keep them safe from also being affected. With 100% accuracy and a 50% chance of the foe hurting itself in confusion, Teeter Dance could be considered more viable than Sleep Powder. It Confusion from Teeter Dance either forces a switch or the opponent takes has to risk a 50% chance of hurting itself, which can ruin unprepared teams.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>With Lilligant's below average defenses, most Fire- and Flying-type moves can OHKO it. The extremely common genies and Chandelure are definite threats, that can easily take out Lilligant before it deals any damage. Amoonguss walls Lilligant, has access to Spore, and even with a Quiver Dance, Lilligant can only 3HKO physically defensive Amoonguss with Hidden Power Rock. Virizion and Hydregion can counter Lilligant lacking Hidden Power Ice, and even after a Quiver Dance Lilligant is only 2HKOing Virizion. Without Hidden Power Ice, Lilligant is also walled by Hydregion, though after a Quiver Dance Hidden Power Ice has a 92.3% chance to OHKO 4 / 0 Hydregion. unless it has HP Ice, and both need two hits to be KO'd. The low accuracy of Sleep Powder also makes it hard for Lilligant to survive more than one hit from anything if Sleep Powder misses.</p>​


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    <p>Lilligant is one of four Pokemon that receives Chlorophyll as its ability this generation. Although it's a pure Grass-type in a tier with many common Flying-types, it can do surprisingly well with Sunny Day support, even with its below average defenses. Keeping it alive is the biggest problem, though, as Lilligant can't take many hits. A decent base 90 Speed, high 110 base Special Attack, and access to Chlorophyll are Lilligant's strong points, so you'll find that Overall, with the right support, Lilligant can be a deadly foe.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Sunny Day Special Attacker
    move 1: Leaf Storm / Solarbeam
    move 2: Hidden Power Rock
    move 3: Sleep Powder
    move 4: Protect / Quiver Dance
    nature: Modest
    ability: Chlorophyll
    item: Life Orb
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe


    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is meant to be used under Sunny Day conditions. Leaf Storm and Solarbeam are the strongest STAB choices for Lilligant, and with Sunny Day Solarbeam does not have to waste a turn charging. Solarbeam is usually preferred as Leaf Storm will lower Lilligant's Special Attack two stages, but if Sunny Day support is unavailable Leaf Storm becomes the primary option. Sleep Powder allows Lilligant to support its team by putting opponents to sleep, and in the sun Lilligant can outspeed nearly every Pokemon and put it to sleep before it can attack. The choice between Protect or Quiver Dance is one between security and power. Protect is usually preferred, as many of the common Pokemon in VGC 2011 can OHKO Lilligant, and with Lilligant's weaknesses it will have few opportunities to set up with Quiver Dance. Protect also allows Lilligant to shield itself from blows that could KO it while its teammates take out the threat. Hidden Power Rock hits the Flying-type Pokemon that resist Lilligant's STAB attacks, as well as being able to hit nailing Chandelure for super effective damage. A Modest nature is preferred when the sun is up, because with Chlorophyll activated Lilligant is already outspeeding most Pokemon. Life Orb adds to the damage Lilligant can deal, and thus is the item of choice here.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>If you don't like the idea of Lilligant being OHKOed before it can attack, Focus Sash is a viable item in place of Life Orb. Quiver Dance allows Lilligant to set up after Sleep Powder, which is extremely useful if you can keep Lilligant from fainting. After a Quiver Dance Lilligant can OHKO Pokemon that normally counter it, such as Tornadus, Thundurus, and Chandelure, with Hidden Power Rock. With 252 EVs in Special Attack along with Life Orb, Lilligant can OHKO Terrakion with Solarbeam. With the sun up and 252 Speed EVs, the only Pokemon that can outspeed Lilligant are fellow Chlorophyll abusers Sawsbuck and Leavanny, which allows Lilligant to run a Modest nature with few close-to-no drawbacks.</p>

    <p>Fire-types or Wide Guard users are the best partners for Lilligant. Chandelure is common, so Heat Wave is definitely a threat. With a partner using Wide Guard and good prediction, Lilligant can avoid being OHKOed by Heat Wave, and hit back hard with a super effective Hidden Power Rock. A Fire-type partner discourages the use of Heat Wave which is common on by Chandelure and Volcarona. Whimsicott sets Sunny Day up faster than any other Pokemon usable in the VGC 2011 tier, so it is definitely a good teammate for Lilligant.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Another possibility for Lilligant's STAB move would be Giga Drain. Although it has less power, the restored HP can really help Lilligant survive longer. Hidden Power Rock can allow 4 Speed EVs to be invested in HP instead. Hidden Power Ice can also be used over Hidden Power Rock; it still hits Flying-type Pokemon hard, and hits Hydreigon for scores super effective damage on Hydreigon, but it loses out on being then Lilligant will not be able to do anything to Chandelure. Teeter Dance also deserves a mention, being able to confuse all Pokemon on the field. Either A partner with either a Protect or Wide Guard is needed if Teeter Dance is going to be used, however, to keep Lilligant's partner from being confused too. With 100% accuracy and a 50% chance of the foe hurting itself in confusion, Teeter Dance could be considered more viable than Sleep Powder. Confusion from Teeter Dance either forces a switch or the opponent has to risk a 50% chance of hurting itself, which can ruin unprepared teams.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>With Lilligant's below average defenses, most Fire- and Flying-type moves can OHKO it. The extremely common genies and Chandelure are definite threats that can easily take out Lilligant before it deals any damage. Amoonguss walls Lilligant, has access to Spore, and even with a Quiver Dance, Lilligant can only 3HKO physically defensive Amoonguss with Hidden Power Rock. Virizion can counter Lilligant lacking Hidden Power Ice, and even after a Quiver Dance Lilligant is 2HKOing can only manage a 2HKO on Virizion. Without Hidden Power Ice Lilligant is also walled by Hydregion, though after a Quiver Dance a Lilligant with Hidden Power Ice has a 92.3% chance to OHKO 4 / 0 Hydregion. The low accuracy of Sleep Powder makes it hard for Lilligant to survive more than one hit from anything if Sleep Powder misses.</p>


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    Mention Prankster Sub as a partner for Teeter Dance, since the sub will block the confusion.

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