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Lilligant [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

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  1. Jukain

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    [Overview]

    <p>At first glance, it may seem as though Lilligant is just another outclassed Grass-type. However, due to her access to the coveted Quiver Dance, this is not the case. With Quiver Dance, Lilligant is transformed from a hopeful bud into a bursting flower that dishes out a whole boatload of pain. Sleep Powder makes Lilligant even better, with many setup opportunities arising once an opposing Pokemon is put to sleep. Her Special Attack and Speed are excellent, but unfortunately she has mediocre defenses and limited coverage that hold her back. Her mediocre defenses are mitigated somewhat by Sleep Powder removing the need to take a hit and her coverage issues can be resolved with the right support. While Lilligant is definitely not a standalone sweeper by any means, her bursting power is not to be underestimated.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Quiver Dance
    move 1: Quiver Dance
    move 2: Sleep Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Meet Quiver Dance Lilligant, the flower that could be. Speaking of Quiver Dance, the move is simply amazing, boosting Lilligant's two best stats and bolstering her mediocre Special Defense to acceptable levels. After a Quiver Dance or two and with her counters removed, there's no question that she can pull off a sweep. Sleep Powder helps with setting up, as incapacitating a foe gives her a free turn to set up or, if something that can counter her is still alive, bring in the appropriate teammate for free. The ease with which Lilligant can set up means that she is one of the few of the large group of frail setup sweepers that can actually switch in instead of coming in from a slow U-turn or after sacking something.</p>

    <p>Both of Lilligant's STAB choices have their own advantages and disadvantages, so the decision must be carefully made. Giga Drain is preferred due to its decent power and that it actually heals Lilligant every time it is used. It also lacks a lock-in, giving Lilligant the freedom to put something to sleep, set up some more, hit a resist with Hidden Power, or switch to a teammate if she cannot handle an opposing Pokemon. However, although being locked into a Grass-type move is not exactly preferable, the additional power from Petal Dance is helpful against certain Pokemon, and Lilligant will not be confused afterwards due to Own Tempo. Here are some calculations that help demonstrate the uses of the additional power provided by Petal Dance, assuming one boost, a Modest nature, and a Life Orb:</p>

    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Chandelure 77.9% - 91.6%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Zapdos 63.6% - 74.8%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Arcanine 70.1% - 82.2%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Cobalion 75.2% - 88.5%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Heracross 64.6% - 75.8%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 252 / 252+ Umbreon 56.6% - 67%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 252 / 0 Bronzong 48.2% - 56.8%</li>
    </ul>

    <p>The last thing to worry about as far as moveset is concerned is Hidden Power. The Hidden Power choice should be tailored to what support Lilligant has. Hidden Power Rock is by far preferred to hit Chandelure, Darmanitan, Victini, Zapdos, Crobat, and Arcanine. It might be helpful to use Petal Dance in conjunction, as Steel-types will have trouble taking boosted Petal Dances provided Stealth Rock is on the field, and Grass + Rock coverage sadly misses out on hitting Steel-types. Hidden Power Rock hits Zapdos and Togekiss in particular, which take little from Petal Dance. Hidden Power Fire is another option that may be used to hit Bronzong, Heracross, Roserade, Shaymin, Cobalion, and Bisharp hard, especially without any sort of boost.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs are quite simple, with max Speed allowing Lilligant to tie with Roserade and max Special Attack for the highest possible damage output. Alternatively, the Speed EVs can be dropped to 224, enough to outspeed Rotom-H, which should be considered particularly if running Hidden Power Rock, as then Lilligant has trouble doing very much damage to Roserade without numerous boosts. The remaining 32 EVs should be placed in either HP or Special Defense in this case. A Modest nature is by far preferable for the additional damage output, but a Timid nature may be used to outspeed max Speed Roserade as well as most Yanmega, Adamant Victini, and Modest Shaymin.</p>

    <p>The choice of item is quite simple: either sustained extra power from Life Orb or a one-time save from status with Lum Berry. While the additional power from Life Orb is by far preferred, Lum Berry means that Lilligant gets a free pass against paralysis and Toxic Spikes. As far as abilities are concerned, Chlorophyll is useful if Lilligant is on a sun team or to beat opposing sun, but Own Tempo is useful in its own right for preventing confusion from Petal Dance. The only other move option that should be considered is Hidden Power Ice, which is like a semi-hybrid of Hidden Power Rock and Fire in that it hits Flying-types like the former and Grass-types like the latter, as well as hitting Flygon and OHKOing Gligar without any boosts. Due to Lilligant's rather desolate movepool, there is little else that could possibly be run.</p>

    <p>As Lilligant will always miss out on a few Pokemon due to having to pick between Hidden Powers, proper support to remove these threats is needed. If lacking Hidden Power Rock, a Pokemon like Aerodactyl to remove Flying-types and a Water-type, such as Kingdra or Blastoise, to remove Fire-types should be considered. If lacking Hidden Power Fire, Magneton, Darmanitan, or Chandelure should be considered to remove Steel-types. Entry hazards are vital to Lilligant's success, putting many targets into KO range and wearing down her counters. Froslass and Qwilfish can set up Spikes and Cobalion, which has excellent type synergy with Lilligant, can set up Stealth Rock. Sun support is helpful due to Chlorophyll doubling Lilligant's Speed under it; Arcanine, Chandelure, and Uxie are the best choices for the job. Fire-types resist all of Lilligant's main weaknesses, so bulkier Fire-types such as Victini and Arcanine make great partners. Lilligant definitely needs some key support to work, but carrying the right support makes Lilligant a very dangerous sweeper and an excellent addition to any team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Although her offensive movepool is quite shallow, Lilligant has a good few neat little niche support options. The main one is Aromatherapy, which can aid in setting up against walls, but Lum Berry already covers that and mono-Grass is terrible coverage, not to mention that Shaymin and Roserade fill the post of cleric support much better. Healing Wish is a rare move that Lilligant has access to, having the ability to give a teammate a second chance. Lastly, a set consisting of Sunny Day, Sleep Powder, Leaf Storm or SolarBeam, and Hidden Power Rock, Fire, or Ice holding a Heat Rock is viable as an offensive sun setter for sun teams. There honestly is little left in Lilligant's shallow movepool that could hold any possible use.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Lilligant has quite a few good countermeasures. RestTalk Snorlax is perhaps the premier counter, taking little damage even from a boosted Petal Dance and phazing Lilligant out with Whirlwind or exploiting its low Defense stat with Return. Crobat is a decent check, boasting a 4x resistance to Lilligant's STAB, but must watch out for Hidden Power Rock, being OHKOed after a single Quiver Dance. Priority from the likes of Hitmontop and Bisharp is a great way to prey on Lilligant's low defenses. Choice Scarf Krookodile, Mienshao, Darmanitan, and Victini can all revenge +1 Lilligant. Honchkrow can switch in on Lilligant's STAB and KO with Brave Bird. Other counters depend on the Hidden Power of choice. If Lilligant lacks Hidden Power Rock, Fire-types, such as Arcanine, Victini, Darmanitan, and Chandelure, as well as Flying-types, such as Zapdos and Togekiss, do well against her. If she lacks Hidden Power Fire, Escavalier, Registeel, Heracross, and ironically Cobalion do well against her. One must never let Lilligant obtain many boosts, however, as with them these counters are all but insignificant little pests to the monstrous flower that is Lilligant.</p>
  2. kokoloko

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    Just fyi, Petal Dance does not suck, especially on Lilligant who even gets Own Tempo to ignore the confusion. You should really test that out further before going forward with this.
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    Also, Hidden Power Ice should be at least an OO mention, or even an AC for the offensive set, as it hybrids HP Fire and HP Rock. This allows Lilligant to hit Grass-types and Flying-types, all while nabbing Flygon, once behind a few Quiver Dances, and other Grass-neutral Ground-types such as Gligar.
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    Proof:

    [All calcs are using Petal Dance and running Modest with a Life Orb and a +1 boost)

    v. 4/0 Chandelure: 77.9% - 91.6%
    v. 4/0 Zapdos: 63.6% - 74.8%
    v. 4/0 Arcanine: 70.1% - 82.2%
    v. 4/0 Cobalion: 75.2% - 88.5%
    v. 4/0 Heracross: 64.6% - 75.8%
    v. 252/252+ Umbreon: 56.6% - 67%
    And my favorite: v. 252/0 Bronzong: 48.2% - 56.8%

    Petal Dance hits like a goddamn nuke, and is invaluable in case you do not have the correct Hidden Power to deal with whatever faces you. Slash it in (and Own Tempo obviously). Note that you are probably going to be better off running HP Rock with Petal Dance so you can get past Togekiss and Zapdos; the most common steel types in UU cannot wall you.
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    Okay so Hidden Power Fire and Hidden Power Rock are both good choices, but I think the order should be reversed because the pokemon you hit with Hidden Power Rock are way more threatening than the pokemon you hit with Hidden Power Fire. Pokemon in the top 20 of August's Usage Stats you hit with each:

    Fire: Heracross, Bronzong, Roserade
    Rock: Chandelure, Darmanitan, Victini, Zapdos, Togekiss, Crobat, Arcanine

    Rock has 7 targets, Fire only has 3. (Albeit, 3 common ones) But yeah, I'd definately want to make sure that I can hit those pokemon on the bottom. Also, Victini and Darmanitan can outrun Lilly at +1 so it's nice to be able to hit them on the switch with something if you've used your Sleep Powder already.
  6. Jukain

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    Tested and you're right.
    I put the calcs in the skelly for the proof, thanks!!! :DDD
    mentioned in AC
    reversed order

    this is ready for QC approvals then!
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    Fine, just don't screw up the writeup, please.

    QC Approved 1/3
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    thanks koko don't worry it'll turn out good
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    Q/C Approved 2/3
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    There should be an ability tag in the first set. If you're not using Petal Dance, Chlorophyll is slightly more useful than Own Tempo as Chlorophyll gives you more Speed when fighting sun teams whereas Own Tempo doesn't give you any boost. Of course, when using Petal Dance, Own Tempo is more useful. Also, while we're on the topic of Petal Dance, make sure to mention the downside of being locked into a Grass-type move and being unable to switch out once you use Petal Dance. There are many resistances to Grass-type attacks, but luckily that is somewhat remedied by sheer power of the 120 base STAB move and the +1 Special Attack boost.

    Also, the c&c section is really barren... and the other move options section of AC. You could probably just move Aromatherapy to AC of Utility; clerics are always nice and there aren't all that many in UU anyways besides Roserade / Umbreon / Togekiss. For c&c, I'm sure you can think of more than three bullet points. Honchkrow and Crobat come to mind as stuff that needs a bigger mention. Crobat doesn't care about Petal Dance and would enjoy Lilligant being locked into it and it won't even be OHKO'd by +1 Hidden Power Rock. In addition, it OHKO's Lilligant easily with Brave Bird. Honchkrow has powerful priority in Sucker Punch (and is more relevant as a priority user than Hitmontop) which will do a ton of damage to Lilligant and also, if you actually want to give up Moxie, you could use Insomnia for Sleep Powder. Sleep is a really bullshit status anyways. You also don't mention Pokemon that can check Lilligant when it has Hidden Power Rock, which you should when it's the first slash in the coverage move list. Escavalier (and Registeel, but it's ehhh) can easily tank a +1 Life Orb Hidden Power Rock and not get 2HKO'd.

    I'm also confused as to why Hidden Power Fire is suddenly so much better than Hidden Power Rock on the support set when Grass + Rock has better coverage overall in UU; mind clarifying why?

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    Uh, now that DTC mentions it, I'm not too fond about the second set. I mean, the only thing it has over Roserade is Healing Wish, and Lilligant isn't exactly a great user of Healing Wish because it can barely tank a hit and its speed is just average in UU.

    The only reason that set is on the OU Analysis is Drought support, because it basically allows Lilligant to get a couple of strong hits or sleep something, and when it's low on health or you don't need it, it can use Healing Wish thanks to the great speed under the sun to give Ninetales / random pokemon you choose a second chance.

    So yeah, while I can see it has some kind of a niche, I'm not sure if it should be a set or if it just deserves an OO mention at best.

    PS: going to remove my QC Approval so other QC can weigh on this.
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    Although I love the name of the second set, I don't think healing wish warrants its own set. Other than that QC APPROVED 3/3
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    okay UtiLily is removed Destiny's and DTC's stuff implemented I will write this up maybe tomorrow?
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    this is written up and ready for gp checks, i apologize for any issues with spelling in advance due to this being written on mobile
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    [Overview]

    <p>At first glance, it may seem as though Lilligant is just another outclassed Grass-type. However, due to her access to the coveted Quiver Dance, this is not the case. With it, Lilligant is transformed from a hopeful bud into a bursting flower that dishes out a whole boatload of pain. Sleep Powder makes Lilligant even better, with setup opportunities galore once an opposing Pokemon is put to sleep. Her Special Attack and Speed are excellent, but unfortunately she has mediocre defenses and limited coverage that hold her back. Her defenses are helped mitigated by Sleep Powder removing the need to take a hit and her coverage issues can be resolved with the right support, however. While Lilligant is definitely not a standalone sweeper by any means, her bursting power is not to be underestimated.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Quiver Dance
    move 1: Quiver Dance
    move 2: Sleep Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Meet Quiver Dance Lilligant, the flower that could be. Speaking of Quiver Dance, the move is just amazing, boosting Lilligant's two best stats and bolstering her mediocre Special Defense to acceptable levels. After a Quiver Dance or two and her counters removed, there's no question that she can pull off a sweep. Sleep Powder helps with setting up, as incapacitating a foe gives her an easy free turn to set up or, (AC) if something that can counter her is still alive, bring in the appropriate teammate for free. The ease with which Lilligant can set up means that she is one of the few of the large group of frail setup sweepers that can actually switch in instead of coming in from a slow U-turn or after sacking something.</p>

    <p>Both of Lilligant's STAB choices have their own advantages and disadvantages, so the decision must be carefully made. Giga Drain is preferred due to its decent power and that it actually heals Lilligant every time it is used. It also lacks a lock-in, giving Lilligant the freedom to put something to sleep, set up some more, hit a resist with Hidden Power, or switch to a teammate if she cannot handle an opposing Pokemon. However, although being locked into a Grass-type move is not exactly preferrable, the additional power from Petal Dance is helpful against certain Pokemon, and Lilligant will not be confused afterwards due to Own Tempo. Here are some calculations that help demonstrate the uses of the additional power provided by Petal Dance, assuming a +1, a Modest nature, and a Life Orb:</p>

    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4/0 Chandelure 77.9% - 91.6%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4/0 Zapdos 63.6% - 74.8%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4/0 Arcanine 70.1% - 82.2%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4/0 Cobalion 75.2% - 88.5%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4/0 Heracross 64.6% - 75.8%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 252/252+ Umbreon 56.6% - 67%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 252/0 Bronzong 48.2% - 56.8%</li>
    </ul>

    <p>The last thing to worry about as far as moveset is concerned is Hidden Power. The Hidden Power choice should be tailored to what support Lilligant has. Hidden Power Rock is by far preferred to hit Chandelure, Darmanitan, Victini, Zapdos, Crobat, and Arcanine. It might be helpful to use Petal Dance in conjunction, as Steel-types will have trouble taking boosted Petal Dances provided Stealth Rock is on the field, and Grass + Rock coverage sadly misses out on hitting Steel-types. Hidden Power Rock hits in particular Zapdos and Togekiss, which take little from Petal Dance. Hidden Power Fire is another option that may be used to hit Bronzong, Heracross, Roserade, Shaymin, Cobalion, and Bisharp hard, especially without any sort of boost.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs are quite simple, with max Speed allowing Lilligant to to tie with Roserade and max Special Attack for the highest possible damage output. Alternatively, the Speed EVs can be dropped to 224, which is enough to outspeed Rotom-H, which should be considered particularly if running Hidden Power Rock, as then Lilligant has trouble doing very much damage to Roserade without numerous boosts. The remaining 32 EVs should be placed in either Special Attack Special attack is already maxed wut or Special Defense in this case. A Modest nature is by far preferable for the additional damage output, but a Timid nature may be used to outspeed max Speed Roserade as well as most Yanmega, Adamant Victini, and Modest Shaymin.</p>

    <p>The choice of item is quite simple: either sustained extra power from Life Orb or a one-time save from status with Lum Berry. While the additional power from Life Orb is by far preferred, Lum Berry means that Lilligant gets a free pass against paralysis, Toxic Spikes, and Roserade that win the Speed tie. As far as abilities are concerned, Chlorophyll is useful if Lilligant is on a sun team or to beat opposing sun, but Own Tempo is useful in its own right for preventing confusion from Petal Dance. The only other move option that should be considered is Hidden Power Ice, which is like a semi-hybrid of Hidden Power Rock and Fire in that it hits Flying-types like the former and Grass-types like the latter, as well as hitting Flygon and OHKOing Gligar without any boosts required. Due to Lilligant's rather desolate movepool, there is little else that could possibly be run.</p>

    <p>As Lilligant will always miss out on a few Pokemon due to having to pick between Hidden Powers, proper support to remove these threats is needed. If lacking Hidden Power Rock, a Pokemon such as Aerodactyl to remove Flying-types and a Water-type such as Kingdra or Blastoise to remove Fire-types should be considered. If lacking Hidden Power Fire, a Pokemon such as Magneton, Aerodactyl, or Chandelure should be considered to remove Steel-types. Entry hazards are vital to Lilligant's success, putting many targets into KO range and wearing down her counters. Froslass and Roserade can set up Spikes, though the former and Lilligant have redundant typing, and Cobalion, which has excellent synergy with Lilligant, can set up Stealth Rock. Sun support is helpful due to Chlorophyll doubling Lilligant's Speed under it; (semicolon) Arcanine, Chandelure, and Uxie are the best choices for the job. Fire-types resist all of Lilligant's main weaknesses, so bulkier Fire-types such as Victini and Arcanine make great partners. Lilligant definitely needs some key support to work, but carrying the right support makes Lilligant a very dangerous sweeper and an excellent addition to any team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Although her offensive movepool is quite shallow, Lilligant has a good few neat little niche support options. The main one is Aromatherapy, which can aid in setting up against walls, but Lum Berry already covers that and mono-Grass is terrible coverage, not to mention that Shaymin and Roserade fill the post of cleric support much better. Healing Wish is a rare move that Lilligant has access too, having the ability to give a teammate a second chance. Lastly, a set consisting of Sunny Day, Sleep Powder, Leaf Storm or Solarbeam, and Hidden Power Rock, Fire, or Ice holding a Heat Rock is viable as an offensive sun setter for sun teams. There honestly is little left in Lilligant's shallow movepool that could hold any possible use.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Lilligant has quite a few good countermeasures. Crobat is the a main great counter, taking little from any attack and KOing in return with Brave Bird. Priority from the likes of Hitmontop and Bisharp is a great way to prey on Lilligant's low defenses. Choice Scarf Krookodile, Mienshao, Darmanitan, and Victini can all revenge +1 Lilligant. Honchkrow can switch in on Liligant's STAB and KO with Brave Bird. Other counters depend on the Hidden Power of choice. If Liligant lacks Hidden Power Rock, Fire-types such as Arcanine, Victini, Darmanitan, and Chandelure, as well as Flying-types such as Zapdos and Togekiss, (AC) do well against her. If she lacks Hidden Power Fire, Escavalier, Registeel, Heracross, and ironically Cobalion do well against her. One must never let Lilligant obtain many boosts, as with them these counters are all but insignificant little pests to the monstrous flower that is Lilligant.
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    boom boom chick boom implemented most of your changes Gato except for a few i disagree with:

    • i kept "Quiver Dance" in the third sentence of the overview where you suggested replace that with "it"
    • where you said to remove "just" in the first para of the set i replaced it with "simply"
    • oh yeah and second-to-last sentence of overview "however" is really awkward-sounding at the end of the sentence and you just left it at "helped mitigated" which is eww ugly i made it "mitigated somewhat"

    otherwise yeah great check i need some official ones though please
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    bumping for gp checks
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    I think QC needs to give this write up a once-over before it goes through more GP checks. Just a few things I noticed:

    - Aerodactyl should not be listed as a way to remove steel-types
    - Lum Berry doesn't really help if you lose the speed tie against Roserade because it's just going to Sludge Bomb you anyway. I honestly don't think Lum deserves a mention when your sweeping move is generally going to have 75 BP.
    - Roserade seems like a mediocre teammate for Liligant, given how much they compound each other's weaknesses. If you want to mention a spiker, mention Qwilfish.
    - Crobat is not a counter. Crobat is ohko'd by +1 HP Rock. There is no mention of RestTalk Snorlax, which is probably one of the best defensive counters.
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    1) lol what was i smoking fixed
    2) paralysis is significant enough of a problem imo that lum deserves a mention. more qc input is needed here. removed roserade mention.
    3) fixed, mentioned qwilfish>roserade
    4) lessened crobat's mention, mentioned resttalk snorlax

    now this is ready for gp checks
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    <p>At first glance, it may seem as though Lilligant is just another outclassed Grass-type. However, due to her access to the coveted Quiver Dance, this is not the case. With Quiver Dance, Lilligant is transformed from a hopeful bud into a bursting flower that dishes out a whole boatload of pain. Sleep Powder makes Lilligant even better, with many setup opportunities galore arising once an opposing Pokemon is put to sleep. Her Special Attack and Speed are excellent, but unfortunately she has mediocre defenses and limited coverage that hold her back. Her mediocre defenses are mitigated somewhat by Sleep Powder removing the need to take a hit and her coverage issues can be resolved with the right support. While Lilligant is definitely not a standalone sweeper by any means, her bursting power is not to be underestimated.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Quiver Dance
    move 1: Quiver Dance
    move 2: Sleep Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Meet Quiver Dance Lilligant, the flower that could be. Speaking of Quiver Dance, the move is simply amazing, boosting Lilligant's two best stats and bolstering her mediocre Special Defense to acceptable levels. After a Quiver Dance or two and with her counters removed, there's no question that she can pull off a sweep. Sleep Powder helps with setting up, as incapacitating a foe gives her a free turn to set up or, if something that can counter her is still alive, bring in the appropriate teammate for free. The ease with which Lilligant can set (space) up means that she is one of the few of the large group of frail setup sweepers that can actually switch in instead of coming in from a slow U-turn or after sacking something.</p>

    <p>Both of Lilligant's STAB choices have their own advantages and disadvantages, so the decision must be carefully made. Giga Drain is preferred due to its decent power and that it actually heals Lilligant every time it is used. It also lacks a lock-in, giving Lilligant the freedom to put something to sleep, set up some more, hit a resist with Hidden Power, or switch to a teammate if she cannot handle an opposing Pokemon. However, although being locked into a Grass-type move is not exactly preferrable, the additional power from Petal Dance is helpful against certain Pokemon, and Lilligant will not be confused afterwards due to Own Tempo. Here are some calculations that help demonstrate the uses of the additional power provided by Petal Dance, assuming a +1 one boost, a Modest nature, and a Life Orb:</p>

    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 (spaces between EV spreads) Chandelure 77.9% - 91.6%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 (spaces between EV spreads) Zapdos 63.6% - 74.8%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 (spaces between EV spreads) Arcanine 70.1% - 82.2%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 (spaces between EV spreads) Cobalion 75.2% - 88.5%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 (spaces between EV spreads) Heracross 64.6% - 75.8%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 252 / 252+ (spaces between EV spreads) Umbreon 56.6% - 67%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 252 / 0 (spaces between EV spreads) Bronzong 48.2% - 56.8%</li>
    </ul>

    <p>The last thing to worry about as far as moveset is concerned is Hidden Power. The Hidden Power choice should be tailored to what support Lilligant has. Hidden Power Rock is by far preferred to hit Chandelure, Darmanitan, Victini, Zapdos, Crobat, and Arcanine. It might be helpful to use Petal Dance in conjunction, as Steel-types will have trouble taking boosted Petal Dances provided Stealth Rock is on the field, and Grass + Rock coverage sadly misses out on hitting Steel-types. Hidden Power Rock hits in particular Zapdos and Togekiss, which take little from Petal Dance. Hidden Power Fire is another option that may be used to hit Bronzong, Heracross, Roserade, Shaymin, Cobalion, and Bisharp hard, especially without any sort of boost.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs are quite simple, with max Speed allowing Lilligant to to speedtie with Roserade and max Special Attack for the highest possible damage output. Alternatively, the Speed EVs can be dropped to 224, enough to outspeed Rotom-H, which should be considered particularly if running Hidden Power Rock, as then Lilligant has trouble doing very much damage to Roserade without numerous boosts. The remaining 32 EVs should be placed in either HP or Special Defense in this case. A Modest nature is by far preferable for the additional damage output, but a Timid nature may be used to outspeed max Speed Roserade as well as most Yanmega, Adamant Victini, and Modest Shaymin.</p>

    <p>The choice of item is quite simple: either sustained extra power from Life Orb or a one-time save from status with Lum Berry. While the additional power from Life Orb is by far preferred, Lum Berry means that Lilligant gets a free pass against paralysis and Toxic Spikes. As far as abilities are concerned, Chlorophyll is useful if Lilligant is on a sun team or to beat opposing sun, but Own Tempo is useful in its own right for preventing confusion from Petal Dance. The only other move option that should be considered is Hidden Power Ice, which is like a semi-hybrid of Hidden Power Rock and Fire in that it hits Flying-types like the former and Grass-types like the latter, as well as hitting Flygon and OHKOing Gligar without any boosts required. Due to Lilligant's rather desolate movepool, there is little else that could possibly be run.</p>

    <p>As Lilligant will always miss out on a few Pokemon due to having to pick between Hidden Powers, proper support to remove these threats is needed. If lacking Hidden Power Rock, a Pokemon such as Aerodactyl to remove Flying-types and a Water-type such as Kingdra or Blastoise to remove Fire-types should be considered. If lacking Hidden Power Fire, Magneton, Darmanitan, or Chandelure should be considered to remove Steel-types. Entry hazards are vital to Lilligant's success, putting many targets into KO range and wearing down her counters. Froslass and Qwilfish can set up Spikes and Cobalion, which has excellent type synergy with Lilligant, can set up Stealth Rock. Sun support is helpful due to Chlorophyll doubling Lilligant's Speed under it; Arcanine, Chandelure, and Uxie are the best choices for the job. Fire-types resist all of Lilligant's main weaknesses, so bulkier Fire-types such as Victini and Arcanine make great partners. Lilligant definitely needs some key support to work, but carrying the right support makes Lilligant a very dangerous sweeper and an excellent addition to any team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Although her offensive movepool is quite shallow, Lilligant has a good few neat little niche support options. The main one is Aromatherapy, which can aid in setting up against walls, but Lum Berry already covers that and mono-Grass is terrible coverage, not to mention that Shaymin and Roserade fill the post of cleric support much better. Healing Wish is a rare move that Lilligant has access too, having the ability to give a teammate a second chance. Lastly, a set consisting of Sunny Day, Sleep Powder, Leaf Storm or Solarbeam, and Hidden Power Rock, Fire, or Ice holding a Heat Rock is viable as an offensive sun setter for sun teams. There honestly is little left in Lilligant's shallow movepool that could hold any possible use.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Lilligant has quite a few good countermeasures. RestTalk Snorlax is perhaps the premier counter, taking little damage even from a boosted Petal Dance and phazing Lilligant out with Whirlwind or exploiting its low Defense stat with Return. Crobat is a decent check, boasting a 4x resistance to Lilligant's STAB, but must watch out for Hidden Power Rock, and is being OHKOed with a +1 boost after a single Quiver Dance. Priority from the likes of Hitmontop and Bisharp is a great way to prey on Lilligant's low defenses. Choice Scarf Krookodile, Mienshao, Darmanitan, and Victini can all revenge +1 Lilligant. Honchkrow can switch in on Lilligant's STAB and KO with Brave Bird. Other counters depend on the Hidden Power of choice. If Lilligant lacks Hidden Power Rock, Fire-types such as Arcanine, Victini, Darmanitan, and Chandelure, as well as Flying-types such as Zapdos and Togekiss, do well against her. If she lacks Hidden Power Fire, Escavalier, Registeel, Heracross, and ironically Cobalion do well against her. One must never let Lilligant obtain many boosts however, as with them these counters are all but insignificant little pests to the monstrous flower that is Lilligant.
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    [Overview]

    <p>At first glance, it may seem as though Lilligant is just another outclassed Grass-type. However, due to her access to the coveted Quiver Dance, this is not the case. With Quiver Dance, Lilligant is transformed from a hopeful bud into a bursting flower that dishes out a whole boatload of pain. Sleep Powder makes Lilligant even better, with many setup opportunities arising once an opposing Pokemon is put to sleep. Her Special Attack and Speed are excellent, but unfortunately she hasr mediocre defenses and limited coverage that hold her back. Her mediocre defenses are mitigated somewhat by Sleep Powderowever, Sleep Powder helps cover the issue of her defenses, removing the need to take a hit when setting up, and her coverage issues can be resolved with the right support. While Lilligant is definitely not a standalone sweeper by any means, her bursting power is not to be underestimated.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Quiver Dance
    move 1: Quiver Dance
    move 2: Sleep Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Meet Quiver Dance Lilligant, the flower that could be. Speaking of Quiver Dance, the move is simply amazing, boosting Lilligant's two best stats and bolstering her mediocre Special Defense to acceptable levels. After a Quiver Dance or two and with her counters removed, there's no question that she can pull off a sweep. Sleep Powder helps with setting up, as incapacitating a foe gives her a free turn to set up or, if something that can counter her is still alive, bring in the appropriate teammate for free. The ease with which Lilligant can set up means that she is one of the few of the large group of frail setup sweepers that can actually switch in instead of coming in from a slow U-turn or after sacking somethingrificing a teammate.</p>

    <p>Both of Lilligant's STAB choices have their own advantages and disadvantages, so the decision must be carefully made. Giga Drain is preferred due to its decent power and that it actually heals Lilligant every time it is used. It also lacks a lock-ine healing it provides Lilligant every time it is used. Unlike Petal Dance, it doesn't lock Lilligant into one move either, giving Lilligant the freedom to put something to sleep, set up some more, hit a resist with Hidden Power, or switch to a teammate if she cannot handle an opposing Pokemon. However, although being locked into a Grass-type move is not exactly preferrable, the additional power from Petal Dance is helpful against certain Pokemon, and Lilligant will not be confused afterwards due to Own Tempo. Here are some calculations that help demonstrate the uses of the additional power provided by Petal Dance, assuming one boost, a Modest nature, and a Life Orb:</p>

    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Chandelure 77.9% - 91.6%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Zapdos 63.6% - 74.8%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Arcanine 70.1% - 82.2%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Cobalion 75.2% - 88.5%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Heracross 64.6% - 75.8%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 252 / 252+ Umbreon 56.6% - 67%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 252 / 0 Bronzong 48.2% - 56.8%</li>
    </ul>

    <p>The last thing to worry about as far as moveset is concerned is which Hidden Power to use. The Hidden Power choice should be tailored to what support Lilligant has. Hidden Power Rock is by far preferred to hit Chandelure, Darmanitan, Victini, Zapdos, Crobat, and Arcanine. It might be helpful to use Petal Dance in conjunction with Hidden Power Rock, as Steel-types will have trouble taking boosted Petal Dances &mdash;provided Stealth Rock is on the field, &mdash;and Grass +/ Rock coverage sadly misses out on hitting Steel-types. In particular Hidden Power Rock hits in particular Zapdos and Togekiss, which take little from Petal Dance. Hidden Power Fire is another option that may be used to hit Bronzong, Heracross, Roserade, Shaymin, Cobalion, and Bisharp hard, especially without any sort of boost.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs are quite simple, with max Speed allowing Lilligant to tie with Roserade and max Special Attack for the highest possible damage output. Alternatively, the Speed EVs can be dropped to 224, enough to outspeed Rotom-H, which should be considered particularly if running Hidden Power Rock, as then Lilligant has trouble doing very much damage to Roserade without numerous boosts, no matter if it outspeeds or not. The remaining 32 EVs should be placed in either HP or Special Defense in this case. A Modest nature is by far preferable for the additional damage output, but a Timid nature may be used to outspeed max Speed Roserade as well as most Yanmega, Adamant Victini, and Modest Shaymin.</p>

    <p>The choice of item is quite simple: either sustained extra power from Life Orb or a one-time save from status with Lum Berry. While the additional power from Life Orb is by far preferred, Lum Berry means that Lilligant gets a free pass against paralysis and Toxic Spikes. As far as abilities are concerned, Chlorophyll is useful if Lilligant is on a sun team or to beat opposing sun, but Own Tempo is useful in its own right for preventing confusion from Petal Dance. The only other move option that should be considered is Hidden Power Ice, which is like a semi-hybrid of Hidden Power Rock and Fire in that it hits Flying-types like the former and Grass-types like the latter, as well as hitting Flygon and OHKOing Gligar without any boosts. Due to Lilligant's rather desolate movepool, there is little else that could possibly be run.</p>

    <p>As Lilligant will always miss out on covering a few Pokemon due to having to pick between Hidden Powers, proper support to remove these threats is needed. If lacking Hidden Power Rock, a Pokemon such as Aerodactyl to remove Flying-types and a Water-type such as Kingdra or Blastoise to remove Fire-types should be considered. If lacking Hidden Power Fire, Magneton, Darmanitan, or Chandelure should be considered to remove Steel-types. Entry hazards are vital to Lilligant's success, putting many targets into KO range and wearing down her counters. Froslass and Qwilfish can set up Spikes and Cobalion, which has excellent type synergy with Lilligant, can set up Stealth Rock. Sun support is helpful due to Chlorophyll doubling Lilligant's Speed under it; Arcanine, Chandelure, and Uxie are the best choices for the job. Fire-types resist all of Lilligant's main weaknesses, so bulkier Fire-types such as Victini and Arcanine make great partners. Lilligant definitely needs some key support to work, but carrying the right support makes Lilligant a very dangerous sweeper and an excellent addition to any team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Although her offensive movepool is quite shallow, Lilligant has a good few neat little niche support options. The main one is Aromatherapy, which can aid in setting up against walls, but Lum Berry already covers that and mono-Grass is terrible coverage, not to mention that Shaymin and Roserade fill the post of cleric support much better. Healing Wish is a rare move that Lilligant has access to, having the ability to give a teammate a second chance. Lastly, a set consisting of Sunny Day, Sleep Powder, Leaf Storm or Solarbeam, and Hidden Power Rock, Fire, or Ice holding a Heat Rock is viable as an offensive sun setter for sun teams. There honestly is little left in Lilligant's shallow movepool that could hold any possible use.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Lilligant has quite a few good countermeasures. RestTalk Snorlax is perhaps the premier counter, taking little damage even from a boosted Petal Dance and phazing Lilligant out with Whirlwind or exploiting its low Defense stat with Return. Crobat is a decent check, boasting a 4x resistance to Lilligant's STAB, but must watch out for Hidden Power Rock, being OHKOed after a single Quiver Dance. Priority from the likes of Hitmontop and Bisharp is a great way to prey on Lilligant's low defenses. Choice Scarf Krookodile, Mienshao, Darmanitan, and Victini can all revenge +1 Lilligant. Honchkrow can switch in on Lilligant's STAB and KO with Brave Bird. Other counters depend on the Hidden Power of choice. If Lilligant lacks Hidden Power Rock, Fire-types such as Arcanine, Victini, Darmanitan, and Chandelure, as well as Flying-types such as Zapdos and Togekiss, do well against her. If she lacks Hidden Power Fire, Escavalier, Registeel, Heracross, and ironically Cobalion do well against her. One must never let Lilligant obtain many boosts, however, as with them these counters are all but insignificant little pests to the monstrous flower that is Lilligant.

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    [Overview]

    <p>At first glance, it may seem as though Lilligant is just another outclassed Grass-type. However, due to her access to the coveted Quiver Dance, this is not the case. With Quiver Dance, Lilligant is transformed from a hopeful bud into a bursting flower that dishes out a whole boatload of pain. Sleep Powder makes Lilligant even better, with many setup opportunities arising once an opposing Pokemon is put to sleep. Her Special Attack and Speed are excellent, but unfortunately her mediocre defenses and limited coverage hold her back. However, Sleep Powder helps cover the issue of her defenses, removing the need to take a hit when setting up, and her coverage issues can be resolved with the right support. While Lilligant is definitely not a standalone sweeper by any means, her bursting power is not to be underestimated.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Quiver Dance
    move 1: Quiver Dance
    move 2: Sleep Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Meet Quiver Dance Lilligant, the flower that could be. Speaking of Quiver Dance, the move is simply amazing, boosting Lilligant's two best stats and bolstering her mediocre Special Defense to acceptable levels. After a Quiver Dance or two and with her counters removed, there's no question that she can pull off a sweep. Sleep Powder helps with setting up, as incapacitating a foe gives her a free turn to set up or, if something that can counter her is still alive, bring in the appropriate teammate for free. The ease with which Lilligant can set up means that she is one of the few of the large group of frail setup sweepers that can actually switch in instead of coming in from a slow U-turn or after sacrificing a teammate.</p>

    <p>Both of Lilligant's STAB choices have their own advantages and disadvantages, so the decision must be carefully made. Giga Drain is preferred due to its decent power and the healing it provides Lilligant every time it is used. Unlike Petal Dance, it doesn't lock Lilligant into one move either, giving Lilligant the freedom to put something to sleep, set up some more, hit a resist with Hidden Power, or switch to a teammate if she cannot handle an opposing Pokemon. However, although being locked into a Grass-type move is not exactly preferable, the additional power from Petal Dance is helpful against certain Pokemon, and Lilligant will not be confused afterwards due to Own Tempo. Here are some calculations that help demonstrate the uses of the additional power provided by Petal Dance, assuming one boost, a Modest nature, and a Life Orb:</p>

    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Chandelure 77.9% - 91.6%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Zapdos 63.6% - 74.8%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Arcanine 70.1% - 82.2%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Cobalion 75.2% - 88.5%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Heracross 64.6% - 75.8%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 252 / 252+ Umbreon 56.6% - 67%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 252 / 0 Bronzong 48.2% - 56.8%</li>
    </ul>

    <p>The last thing to worry about as far as moveset is concerned is which Hidden Power to use. The Hidden Power choice should be tailored to what support Lilligant has. Hidden Power Rock is by far preferred to hit Chandelure, Darmanitan, Victini, Zapdos, Crobat, and Arcanine. It might be helpful to use Petal Dance in conjunction with Hidden Power Rock, as Steel-types will have trouble taking boosted Petal Dances&mdash;provided Stealth Rock is on the field&mdash;and Grass / Rock coverage sadly misses out on hitting Steel-types. In particular Hidden Power Rock hits Zapdos and Togekiss, which take little from Petal Dance. Hidden Power Fire is another option that may be used to hit Bronzong, Heracross, Roserade, Shaymin, Cobalion, and Bisharp hard, especially without any sort of boost.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs are quite simple, with max Speed allowing Lilligant to tie with Roserade and max Special Attack for the highest possible damage output. Alternatively, the Speed EVs can be dropped to 224, enough to outspeed Rotom-H, which should be considered particularly if running Hidden Power Rock, as then Lilligant has trouble doing very much damage to Roserade without numerous boosts, no matter if it outspeeds or not. The remaining 32 EVs should be placed in either HP or Special Defense in this case. A Modest nature is by far preferable for the additional damage output, but a Timid nature may be used to outspeed max Speed Roserade as well as most Yanmega, Adamant Victini, and Modest Shaymin.</p>

    <p>The choice of item is quite simple: either sustained extra power from Life Orb or a one-time save from status with Lum Berry. While the additional power from Life Orb is by far preferred, Lum Berry means that Lilligant gets a free pass against paralysis and Toxic Spikes. As far as abilities are concerned, Chlorophyll is useful if Lilligant is on a sun team or to beat opposing sun, but Own Tempo is useful in its own right for preventing confusion from Petal Dance. The only other move option that should be considered is Hidden Power Ice, which is like a semi-hybrid of Hidden Power Rock and Fire in that it hits Flying-types like the former and Grass-types like the latter, as well as hitting Flygon and OHKOing Gligar without any boosts. Due to Lilligant's rather desolate movepool, there is little else that could possibly be run.</p>

    <p>As Lilligant will always miss out on covering a few Pokemon due to having to pick between Hidden Powers, proper support to remove these threats is needed. If lacking Hidden Power Rock, a Pokemon such as Aerodactyl to remove Flying-types and a Water-type such as Kingdra or Blastoise to remove Fire-types should be considered. If lacking Hidden Power Fire, Magneton, Darmanitan, or Chandelure should be considered to remove Steel-types. Entry hazards are vital to Lilligant's success, putting many targets into KO range and wearing down her counters. Froslass and Qwilfish can set up Spikes and Cobalion, which has excellent type synergy with Lilligant, can set up Stealth Rock. Sun support is helpful due to Chlorophyll doubling Lilligant's Speed under it; Arcanine, Chandelure, and Uxie are the best choices for the job. Fire-types resist all of Lilligant's main weaknesses, so bulkier Fire-types such as Victini and Arcanine make great partners. Lilligant definitely needs some key support to work, but carrying the right support makes Lilligant a very dangerous sweeper and an excellent addition to any team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Although her offensive movepool is quite shallow, Lilligant has a good few neat little niche support options. The main one is Aromatherapy, which can aid in setting up against walls, but Lum Berry already covers that and mono-Grass is terrible coverage, not to mention that Shaymin and Roserade fill the post of cleric support much better. Healing Wish is a rare move that Lilligant has access to, having the ability to give a teammate a second chance. Lastly, a set consisting of Sunny Day, Sleep Powder, Leaf Storm or Solarbeam, and Hidden Power Rock, Fire, or Ice holding a Heat Rock is viable as an offensive sun setter for sun teams. There honestly is little left in Lilligant's shallow movepool that could hold any possible use.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Lilligant has quite a few good counters. RestTalk Snorlax is perhaps the premier counter, taking little damage even from a boosted Petal Dance and phazing Lilligant out with Whirlwind or exploiting its low Defense stat with Return. Crobat is a decent check, boasting a 4x resistance to Lilligant's STAB, but must watch out for Hidden Power Rock, being OHKOed after a single Quiver Dance. Priority from the likes of Hitmontop and Bisharp is a great way to prey on Lilligant's low defenses. Choice Scarf Krookodile, Mienshao, Darmanitan, and Victini can all revenge +1 Lilligant. Honchkrow can switch in on Lilligant's STAB and KO with Brave Bird. Other counters depend on the Hidden Power of choice. If Lilligant lacks Hidden Power Rock, Fire-types such as Arcanine, Victini, Darmanitan, and Chandelure, as well as Flying-types such as Zapdos and Togekiss, do well against her. If she lacks Hidden Power Fire, Escavalier, Registeel, Heracross, and ironically Cobalion do well against her. One must never let Lilligant obtain many boosts, however, as with them these counters are all but insignificant little pests to the monstrous flower that is Lilligant.

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    <p>At first glance, it may seem as though Lilligant is just another outclassed Grass-type. However, due to her access to the coveted Quiver Dance, this is not the case. With Quiver Dance, Lilligant is transformed from a hopeful bud into a bursting flower that dishes out a whole boatload of pain. Sleep Powder makes Lilligant even better, with many setup opportunities arising once an opposing Pokemon is put to sleep. Her Special Attack and Speed are excellent, but unfortunately she has mediocre defenses and limited coverage that hold her back. Her mediocre defenses are mitigated somewhat by Sleep Powder removing the need to take a hit and her coverage issues can be resolved with the right support. While Lilligant is definitely not a standalone sweeper by any means, her bursting power is not to be underestimated.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Quiver Dance
    move 1: Quiver Dance
    move 2: Sleep Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Meet Quiver Dance Lilligant, the flower that could be. Speaking of Quiver Dance, the move is simply amazing, boosting Lilligant's two best stats and bolstering her mediocre Special Defense to acceptable levels. After a Quiver Dance or two and with her counters removed, there's no question that she can pull off a sweep. Sleep Powder helps with setting up, as incapacitating a foe gives her a free turn to set up or, if something that can counter her is still alive, bring in the appropriate teammate for free. The ease with which Lilligant can set up means that she is one of the few of the large group of frail setup sweepers that can actually switch in instead of coming in from a slow U-turn or after sacking something.</p>

    <p>Both of Lilligant's STAB choices have their own advantages and disadvantages, so the decision must be carefully made. Giga Drain is preferred due to its decent power and that it actually heals Lilligant every time it is used. It also lacks a lock-in, giving Lilligant the freedom to put something to sleep, set up some more, hit a resist with Hidden Power, or switch to a teammate if she cannot handle an opposing Pokemon. However, although being locked into a Grass-type move is not exactly preferable, the additional power from Petal Dance is helpful against certain Pokemon, and Lilligant will not be confused afterwards due to Own Tempo. Here are some calculations that help demonstrate the uses of the additional power provided by Petal Dance, assuming one boost, a Modest nature, and a Life Orb:</p>

    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Chandelure 77.9% - 91.6%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Zapdos 63.6% - 74.8%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Arcanine 70.1% - 82.2%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Cobalion 75.2% - 88.5%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 4 / 0 Heracross 64.6% - 75.8%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 252 / 252+ Umbreon 56.6% - 67%</li>
    <li>Petal Dance vs. 252 / 0 Bronzong 48.2% - 56.8%</li>
    </ul>

    <p>The last thing to worry about as far as moveset is concerned is Hidden Power. The Hidden Power choice should be tailored to what support Lilligant has. Hidden Power Rock is by far preferred to hit Chandelure, Darmanitan, Victini, Zapdos, Crobat, and Arcanine. It might be helpful to use Petal Dance in conjunction, as Steel-types will have trouble taking boosted Petal Dances provided Stealth Rock is on the field, and Grass + Rock coverage sadly misses out on hitting Steel-types. Hidden Power Rock hits in particular Zapdos and Togekiss in particular, which take little from Petal Dance. Hidden Power Fire is another option that may be used to hit Bronzong, Heracross, Roserade, Shaymin, Cobalion, and Bisharp hard, especially without any sort of boost.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs are quite simple, with max Speed allowing Lilligant to tie with Roserade and max Special Attack for the highest possible damage output. Alternatively, the Speed EVs can be dropped to 224, enough to outspeed Rotom-H, which should be considered particularly if running Hidden Power Rock, as then Lilligant has trouble doing very much damage to Roserade without numerous boosts. The remaining 32 EVs should be placed in either HP or Special Defense in this case. A Modest nature is by far preferable for the additional damage output, but a Timid nature may be used to outspeed max Speed Roserade as well as most Yanmega, Adamant Victini, and Modest Shaymin.</p>

    <p>The choice of item is quite simple: either sustained extra power from Life Orb or a one-time save from status with Lum Berry. While the additional power from Life Orb is by far preferred, Lum Berry means that Lilligant gets a free pass against paralysis and Toxic Spikes. As far as abilities are concerned, Chlorophyll is useful if Lilligant is on a sun team or to beat opposing sun, but Own Tempo is useful in its own right for preventing confusion from Petal Dance. The only other move option that should be considered is Hidden Power Ice, which is like a semi-hybrid of Hidden Power Rock and Fire in that it hits Flying-types like the former and Grass-types like the latter, as well as hitting Flygon and OHKOing Gligar without any boosts. Due to Lilligant's rather desolate movepool, there is little else that could possibly be run.</p>

    <p>As Lilligant will always miss out on a few Pokemon due to having to pick between Hidden Powers, proper support to remove these threats is needed. If lacking Hidden Power Rock, a Pokemon like Aerodactyl to remove Flying-types and a Water-type, such as Kingdra or Blastoise, to remove Fire-types should be considered. If lacking Hidden Power Fire, Magneton, Darmanitan, or Chandelure should be considered to remove Steel-types. Entry hazards are vital to Lilligant's success, putting many targets into KO range and wearing down her counters. Froslass and Qwilfish can set up Spikes and Cobalion, which has excellent type synergy with Lilligant, can set up Stealth Rock. Sun support is helpful due to Chlorophyll doubling Lilligant's Speed under it; Arcanine, Chandelure, and Uxie are the best choices for the job. Fire-types resist all of Lilligant's main weaknesses, so bulkier Fire-types such as Victini and Arcanine make great partners. Lilligant definitely needs some key support to work, but carrying the right support makes Lilligant a very dangerous sweeper and an excellent addition to any team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Although her offensive movepool is quite shallow, Lilligant has a good few neat little niche support options. The main one is Aromatherapy, which can aid in setting up against walls, but Lum Berry already covers that and mono-Grass is terrible coverage, not to mention that Shaymin and Roserade fill the post of cleric support much better. Healing Wish is a rare move that Lilligant has access to, having the ability to give a teammate a second chance. Lastly, a set consisting of Sunny Day, Sleep Powder, Leaf Storm or SolarBeam, and Hidden Power Rock, Fire, or Ice holding a Heat Rock is viable as an offensive sun setter for sun teams. There honestly is little left in Lilligant's shallow movepool that could hold any possible use.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Lilligant has quite a few good countermeasures. RestTalk Snorlax is perhaps the premier counter, taking little damage even from a boosted Petal Dance and phazing Lilligant out with Whirlwind or exploiting its low Defense stat with Return. Crobat is a decent check, boasting a 4x resistance to Lilligant's STAB, but must watch out for Hidden Power Rock, being OHKOed after a single Quiver Dance. Priority from the likes of Hitmontop and Bisharp is a great way to prey on Lilligant's low defenses. Choice Scarf Krookodile, Mienshao, Darmanitan, and Victini can all revenge +1 Lilligant. Honchkrow can switch in on Lilligant's STAB and KO with Brave Bird. Other counters depend on the Hidden Power of choice. If Lilligant lacks Hidden Power Rock, Fire-types, such as Arcanine, Victini, Darmanitan, and Chandelure, as well as Flying-types, such as Zapdos and Togekiss, do well against her. If she lacks Hidden Power Fire, Escavalier, Registeel, Heracross, and ironically Cobalion do well against her. One must never let Lilligant obtain many boosts, however, as with them these counters are all but insignificant little pests to the monstrous flower that is Lilligant.</p>


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