Little Cup Stats - September 2011

[AlphaJolt]

Standard LC Rated

Total battles: 1972
Total teams: 3944
Total pokemon: 21012.0
+ ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + 
| Rank | Pokemon | Usage | Percent | 
+ ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + 
| 1 | Mienfoo | 1486 | 42.433% |
| 2 | Gastly | 1296 | 37.007% |
| 3 | Staryu | 724 | 20.674% |
| 4 | Scraggy | 719 | 20.531% |
| 5 | Magnemite | 690 | 19.703% |
| 6 | Ferroseed | 681 | 19.446% |
| 7 | Dwebble | 645 | 18.418% |
| 8 | Chinchou | 624 | 17.818% |
| 9 | Timburr | 595 | 16.990% |
| 10 | Slowpoke | 574 | 16.391% |
| 11 | Croagunk | 561 | 16.019% |
| 12 | Hippopotas | 527 | 15.049% |
| 13 | Frillish | 517 | 14.763% |
| 14 | Munchlax | 511 | 14.592% |
| 15 | Taillow | 478 | 13.649% |
| 16 | Drifloon | 449 | 12.821% |
| 17 | Drilbur | 420 | 11.993% |
| 18 | Lileep | 410 | 11.708% |
| 19 | Abra | 382 | 10.908% |
| 20 | Houndour | 360 | 10.280% |
| 21 | Bronzor | 347 | 9.909% |
| 22 | Diglett | 295 | 8.424% |
| 23 | Elekid | 258 | 7.367% |
| 24 | Snover | 235 | 6.710% |
| 25 | Pawniard | 219 | 6.254% |
| 26 | Ponyta | 211 | 6.025% |
| 27 | Exeggcute | 199 | 5.682% |
| 28 | Dratini | 198 | 5.654% |
| 29 | Tentacool | 184 | 5.254% |
| 30 | Meowth | 181 | 5.168% |
| 31 | Stunky | 181 | 5.168% |
| 32 | Koffing | 173 | 4.940% |
| 33 | Shelmet | 169 | 4.826% |
| 34 | Doduo | 163 | 4.654% |
| 35 | Axew | 163 | 4.654% |
| 36 | Natu | 154 | 4.397% |
| 37 | Duskull | 146 | 4.169% |
| 38 | Omanyte | 124 | 3.541% |
| 39 | Onix | 122 | 3.484% |
| 40 | Wynaut | 122 | 3.484% |
| 41 | Porygon | 114 | 3.255% |
| 42 | Shellder | 104 | 2.970% |
| 43 | Squirtle | 96 | 2.741% |
| 44 | Ekans | 92 | 2.627% |
| 45 | Larvesta | 91 | 2.599% |
| 46 | Zorua | 90 | 2.570% |
| 47 | Lickitung | 88 | 2.513% |
| 48 | Bulbasaur | 83 | 2.370% |
| 49 | Growlithe | 82 | 2.342% |
| 50 | Clamperl | 82 | 2.342% |
| 51 | Vullaby | 82 | 2.342% |
| 52 | Remoraid | 79 | 2.256% |
| 53 | Machop | 78 | 2.227% |
| 54 | Solosis | 73 | 2.085% |
| 55 | Darumaka | 67 | 1.913% |
| 56 | Sandshrew | 65 | 1.856% |
| 57 | Nosepass | 64 | 1.828% |
| 58 | Tirtouga | 64 | 1.828% |
| 59 | Bagon | 63 | 1.799% |
| 60 | Cottonee | 63 | 1.799% |
| 61 | Pineco | 62 | 1.770% |
| 62 | Aipom | 58 | 1.656% |
| 63 | Mantyke | 58 | 1.656% |
| 64 | Joltik | 57 | 1.628% |
| 65 | Mankey | 56 | 1.599% |
| 66 | Aron | 56 | 1.599% |
| 67 | Cacnea | 53 | 1.513% |
| 68 | Larvitar | 52 | 1.485% |
| 69 | Voltorb | 51 | 1.456% |
| 70 | Grimer | 50 | 1.428% |
| 71 | Totodile | 50 | 1.428% |
| 72 | Trubbish | 50 | 1.428% |
| 73 | Archen | 49 | 1.399% |
| 74 | Teddiursa | 48 | 1.371% |
| 75 | Cranidos | 46 | 1.314% |
| 76 | Riolu | 45 | 1.285% |
| 77 | Cubone | 43 | 1.228% |
| 78 | Litwick | 42 | 1.199% |
| 79 | Buneary | 39 | 1.114% |
| 80 | Baltoy | 38 | 1.085% |
| 81 | Woobat | 38 | 1.085% |
| 82 | Corphish | 37 | 1.057% |
| 83 | Snivy | 37 | 1.057% |
| 84 | Charmander | 36 | 1.028% |
| 85 | Sandile | 36 | 1.028% |
| 86 | Wingull | 35 | 0.999% |
| 87 | Wailmer | 35 | 0.999% |
| 88 | Rufflet | 35 | 0.999% |
| 89 | Deino | 32 | 0.914% |
| 90 | Magby | 31 | 0.885% |
| 91 | Cyndaquil | 30 | 0.857% |
| 92 | Deerling | 30 | 0.857% |
| 93 | Wooper | 29 | 0.828% |
| 94 | Shroomish | 29 | 0.828% |
| 95 | Anorith | 29 | 0.828% |
| 96 | Rhyhorn | 28 | 0.800% |
| 97 | Rattata | 27 | 0.771% |
| 98 | Zubat | 27 | 0.771% |
| 99 | Gible | 27 | 0.771% |
| 100 | Poliwag | 26 | 0.742% |
| 101 | Eevee | 26 | 0.742% |
| 102 | Chimchar | 26 | 0.742% |
| 103 | Budew | 26 | 0.742% |
| 104 | Piplup | 25 | 0.714% |
| 105 | Golett | 24 | 0.685% |
| 106 | Venonat | 23 | 0.657% |
| 107 | Tyrogue | 23 | 0.657% |
| 108 | Turtwig | 23 | 0.657% |
| 109 | Buizel | 23 | 0.657% |
| 110 | Bellsprout | 22 | 0.628% |
| 111 | Gligar | 22 | 0.628% |
| 112 | Feebas | 22 | 0.628% |
| 113 | Magikarp | 21 | 0.600% |
| 114 | Smoochum | 21 | 0.600% |
| 115 | Caterpie | 20 | 0.571% |
| 116 | Weedle | 20 | 0.571% |
| 117 | Vulpix | 20 | 0.571% |
| 118 | Goldeen | 20 | 0.571% |
| 119 | Kabuto | 20 | 0.571% |
| 120 | Treecko | 20 | 0.571% |
| 121 | Phanpy | 19 | 0.543% |
| 122 | Mudkip | 19 | 0.543% |
| 123 | Electrike | 19 | 0.543% |
| 124 | Tepig | 19 | 0.543% |
| 125 | Vanillite | 19 | 0.543% |
| 126 | Krabby | 18 | 0.514% |
| 127 | Cleffa | 18 | 0.514% |
| 128 | Yamask | 18 | 0.514% |
| 129 | Drowzee | 17 | 0.485% |
| 130 | Shieldon | 17 | 0.485% |
| 131 | Glameow | 17 | 0.485% |
| 132 | Klink | 17 | 0.485% |
| 133 | Oddish | 16 | 0.457% |
| 134 | Oshawott | 16 | 0.457% |
| 135 | Blitzle | 16 | 0.457% |
| 136 | Misdreavus | 15 | 0.428% |
| 137 | Wurmple | 15 | 0.428% |
| 138 | Trapinch | 15 | 0.428% |
| 139 | Shuppet | 15 | 0.428% |
| 140 | Snorunt | 15 | 0.428% |
| 141 | Pidgey | 14 | 0.400% |
| 142 | Spearow | 14 | 0.400% |
| 143 | Paras | 13 | 0.371% |
| 144 | Horsea | 13 | 0.371% |
| 145 | Carvanha | 13 | 0.371% |
| 146 | Happiny | 13 | 0.371% |
| 147 | Swinub | 12 | 0.343% |
| 148 | Torchic | 12 | 0.343% |
| 149 | Geodude | 11 | 0.314% |
| 150 | Pichu | 11 | 0.314% |
| 151 | Finneon | 11 | 0.314% |
| 152 | Skorupi | 10 | 0.286% |
| 153 | Foongus | 10 | 0.286% |
| 154 | Elgyem | 10 | 0.286% |
| 155 | Togepi | 9 | 0.257% |
| 156 | Zigzagoon | 9 | 0.257% |
| 157 | Seedot | 9 | 0.257% |
| 158 | Azurill | 9 | 0.257% |
| 159 | Spoink | 9 | 0.257% |
| 160 | Swablu | 9 | 0.257% |
| 161 | Barboach | 9 | 0.257% |
| 162 | Spheal | 9 | 0.257% |
| 163 | Mime Jr. | 9 | 0.257% |
| 164 | Purrloin | 9 | 0.257% |
| 165 | Munna | 9 | 0.257% |
| 166 | Chikorita | 8 | 0.228% |
| 167 | Hoppip | 8 | 0.228% |
| 168 | Meditite | 8 | 0.228% |
| 169 | Bidoof | 8 | 0.228% |
| 170 | Roggenrola | 8 | 0.228% |
| 171 | Petilil | 8 | 0.228% |
| 172 | Minccino | 8 | 0.228% |
| 173 | Sneasel | 7 | 0.200% |
| 174 | Panpour | 7 | 0.200% |
| 175 | Pidove | 7 | 0.200% |
| 176 | Nidoran-M | 6 | 0.171% |
| 177 | Scyther | 6 | 0.171% |
| 178 | Ralts | 6 | 0.171% |
| 179 | Numel | 6 | 0.171% |
| 180 | Shinx | 6 | 0.171% |
| 181 | Seel | 5 | 0.143% |
| 182 | Mareep | 5 | 0.143% |
| 183 | Sunkern | 5 | 0.143% |
| 184 | Skitty | 5 | 0.143% |
| 185 | Pansage | 5 | 0.143% |
| 186 | Tangela | 4 | 0.114% |
| 187 | Igglybuff | 4 | 0.114% |
| 188 | Lotad | 4 | 0.114% |
| 189 | Venipede | 4 | 0.114% |
| 190 | Nidoran-F | 3 | 0.086% |
| 191 | Psyduck | 3 | 0.086% |
| 192 | Yanma | 3 | 0.086% |
| 193 | Murkrow | 3 | 0.086% |
| 194 | Combee | 3 | 0.086% |
| 195 | Cubchoo | 3 | 0.086% |
| 196 | Sentret | 2 | 0.057% |
| 197 | Ledyba | 2 | 0.057% |
| 198 | Nincada | 2 | 0.057% |
| 199 | Whismur | 2 | 0.057% |
| 200 | Beldum | 2 | 0.057% |
| 201 | Deoxys | 2 | 0.057% |
| 202 | Starly | 2 | 0.057% |
| 203 | Burmy | 2 | 0.057% |
| 204 | Cherubi | 2 | 0.057% |
| 205 | Shellos | 2 | 0.057% |
| 206 | Bonsly | 2 | 0.057% |
| 207 | Sewaddle | 2 | 0.057% |
| 208 | Gothita | 2 | 0.057% |
| 209 | Ferrothorn | 2 | 0.057% |
| 210 | Slugma | 1 | 0.029% |
| 211 | Poochyena | 1 | 0.029% |
| 212 | Makuhita | 1 | 0.029% |
| 213 | Gulpin | 1 | 0.029% |
| 214 | Chingling | 1 | 0.029% |
| 215 | Serperior | 1 | 0.029% |
| 216 | Emboar | 1 | 0.029% |
| 217 | Patrat | 1 | 0.029% |
| 218 | Krookodile | 1 | 0.029% |
| 219 | Zoroark | 1 | 0.029% |
| 220 | Jellicent | 1 | 0.029% |
| 221 | Eelektross | 1 | 0.029% |
| 222 | Chandelure | 1 | 0.029% |
| 223 | Braviary | 1 | 0.029% |
| 224 | Hydreigon | 1 | 0.029% |

Took this from Antar's thread. Any Pokemon that didn't appear in the battle is not listed in these stats.

Mienfoo and Gastly stay in the top two spots. Staryu and Chinchou pretty much swapped places. Taillow isn't getting as much love anymore and dropped 8 spots. Abra skyrocketted from 31 to 19. We also have about 600 battles less than last month. Those are my highlights and quick observations.

Have fun discussing!

aerrow edit: sticky'd!

 

[mite b cool]

people should use Cottonee more, it's awesome

 

[PoJ]

Abra seems to have gotten more usage. I can see why, it's so powerful and fast and can beat Mienfoo / Timburr (Unless Mach Punch can like 2HKO but I don't think it can). And now that Abra has access to Magic Guard, it can use LO without taking recoil and won't take any status / entry hazard damage. That's awesome... Imo. :)

 

[sax king]

It's funny to me that Magnemite gets more usage than Feroseed. I mean, who uses Magnemite for any purpose other than for killing Feroseeds?

 

[Heysup]

Bronzor has become quite popular too, that's why.

 

[AlphaJolt]

Magnemite also hits like a truck, and resists both of Snover's STAB attacks.

 

[iss]

does this mean i need to start laddering again

chinchou :(

 

[comatthew6]

iss: Chinchou is overrated anyways it doesn't deserve to be top-5.

HOWEVER, Drilbur is incredibly powerful and I still wonder how it's not even top-15 but I guess I can keep it for myself. It surprises me that they aren't higher, but my lack of laddering is probably a fair reason.

 

[Darkamber8828]

iss: Chinchou is overrated anyways it doesn't deserve to be top-5.

HOWEVER, Drilbur is incredibly powerful and I still wonder how it's not even top-15 but I guess I can keep it for myself. It surprises me that they aren't higher, but my lack of laddering is probably a fair reason.

sandstorm is boring

But yeah, Chinchou is good, but not THAT good.

meanwhile dratini sits at #28 what the hell guys

 

[Good_Luck!]

meanwhile dratini sits at #28 what the hell guys

I haven't use Dratini; I think it IS underrated, it has a pseudo immunity to status and that's great for a sweeper with acces to DD. Also ice moves had dropped in usage with Gligar gone. But magnemite and ferro are in the top ten... maybe that's why ._.

I agree with the opinion on Chinchou... I like the blue thingy though.

Also:

We also have about 600 battles less than last month.

What's with you, guys?

 

[PoJ]

But magnemite and ferro are in the top ten... maybe that's why ._.

Dratini can beat both of them with Fire Blast :)

I agree that Dratini is very underrated... my recent teams are not at all prepared for DD Dratini. Especially if it carries Fire Blast.

 

[Raseri]

Drifloon's still on the rise <33333

Eggy's going up to! Both of my babies are doing well in this metagame =D
Hopefully we start the next round soon so th number of battles goes up

 

[macle]

why start a next round when nothing is even close to broken

 

[blarajan]

why start a next round when nothing is even close to broken

Are we even starting another round? Though I agree with this.

 

[macle]

i don't know its up to vader and dubs.

but anyway i think abra is being used way to much. Magic Guard doesn't really do much for abra. You can't use counter with it (3rd gen tutor move) so all you have is encore? There's a ton of better encores than abra.

 

[Heysup]

why start a next round when nothing is even close to broken

Eviolite

 

[King John]

I'm glad Frillish is still near the top. It's a good counter for rain teams, plus it can cripple physical attackers and walls alike with Willowisp.

 

[PoJ]

but anyway i think abra is being used way to much. Magic Guard doesn't really do much for abra. You can't use counter with it (3rd gen tutor move) so all you have is encore? There's a ton of better encores than abra.

Well, Magic Guard is a much better ability than Inner Focus or Synchronize, Imo.

And, why is Gastly being used so much over Abra? Abra has better Special Attack and better speed. The only reasons I see is that Abra has less resistances and immunities. Oh, and because Abra doesn't have access to Hypnosis (Sub Hypnosis Abra :o)... I guess Abra is kind of overrated now that it has Magic Guard, but it's still great.

 

[Elevator Music]

Yea, it's pretty much the same reasons people use Gengar over Alakazam in OU....

 

[Crux]

As I said on IRC, the fact that Scraggy is number 4 and 5 of the top 15 are Scraggy checks and counters is pretty damn worrying... Scraggy may have seemed underwhelming this round, but that is because everyone and their mother was forced to run ~3 Scraggy checks in order to beat it. I think it is this that makes Scraggy broken, just like Excadrill in OU. The fact that it forces people to run multiple checks limits creativity and innovation and centralises the metagame, as you can see by these stats.

Scraggy no longer seems to be the offensive menace it was simply because people are forced to use 3 of their team slots to check/counter it, which makes it really game breaking.

 

[Ray Jay]

My thoughts so far:

why start a next round when nothing is even close to broken

1.)

Eviolite

This needs more discussion. I've heard a lot of good arguments from both sides on this.

2.)

I think it is this that makes Scraggy broken, just like Excadrill in OU. The fact that it forces people to run multiple checks limits creativity and innovation and centralises the metagame, as you can see by these stats.

Scraggy no longer seems to be the offensive menace it was simply because people are forced to use 3 of their team slots to check/counter it, which makes it really game breaking.

Overcentralization is always a shaky argument, however, it can get to a point where it is so extreme that it merits discussing. Ultimately, I think the problem with Scraggy is twofold: it's ridiculously overpowered (yet not without answers) and, on the other hand, can't get past said answers. Does the second problem keep him from being broken? I don't believe so.

Dratini can beat both of them with
Fire Blast :)

I agree that Dratini is very underrated... my recent teams are not at all prepared for DD Dratini. Especially if it carries Fire Blast.

Dratini is actually, imo, very overrated in this metagame. While it doesn't lack coverage, it does not have the defensive stats of its ou counterpart to set up. Thus, it has a hard time setting up. I think I need to see more usage of Dratini with an encore user.

Well, Magic Guard is a much better ability than Inner Focus or Synchronize, Imo.

And, why is Gastly being used so much over Abra? Abra has better Special Attack and better speed. The only reasons I see is that Abra has less resistances and immunities. Oh, and because Abra doesn't have access to Hypnosis (Sub Hypnosis Abra :o)... I guess Abra is kind of overrated now that it has Magic Guard, but it's still great.

Abra is certainly an all-around devastating mon, but it's by no means better than Gastly. Gastly has wicked dual stab (Ghost being a lot better than Psychic, and Poison having fantastic neutral coverage against what Ghost doesn't hit) which is important to keep in mind when it comes to power. Of course, Hypnosis also deserves mention. Gastly already has an immunity to Toxic Spikes, arguably the most important status of lc atm, and has an easier time switching in. So yes, everything you mentioned basically compounds to make Gastly so devastating and Abra manageable.

 

[Darkamber8828]

Dratini is actually, imo, very overrated in this metagame. While it doesn't lack coverage, it does not have the defensive stats of its ou counterpart to set up. Thus, it has a hard time setting up. I think I need to see more usage of Dratini with an encore user.

Eviolite Dratini is pretty damn bulky. Taking +1 Zuruggu Crunches and such.

Also, Abra has Magic Guard, which means it's immune to Toxic Spikes too.

Not that Abra is better than Gastly, because it isn't. Just saying.

On the topic of Eviolite, I hate it. I really do. But it's not "broken-broken." It just entirely changed the face of the LC metagame from hyper offense to bulky offense. That's pretty big, but it IS entirely up to the opinion of the player. Someone suggested a split LC metagame, "with eviolite" and "without eviolite," but since the playerbase is so small...

It still would be cool to do an Eviolite suspect testing though.

 

[Elevator Music]

As a community we really shouldn't ban an item (or really anything for that matter) just because "we don't like what it does to the metagame". That doesn't actually say anything about the suspect in question, all it says is that you personally don't like whatever it does (in this case that the metagame is more bulky offense oriented). For the people that really want Eviolite banned, it's up to you to show that the effects it has are detrimental to the metagame to the point where it needs to go, ie: Eviolite reduces the level of skill required or makes the game too luck-oriented or 'whatever', which is bad for a competitive game which should have these characteristics. IMHO, you should probably brush up on Doug's old PR topic if you're really intent on doing so.



(And yes, it is your job to show that Eviolite hurts the metagame more than it helps it, not that "Eviolite does X which isn't broken but I don't like it". As the players, we shouldn't have the power to ban stuff because we prefer one style of play over another, or because we don't want to feel forced to run pokemon X on our team (hinthint I'm not just talking about Eviolite here obviously). As a note though, 'hurting the metagame more than it helps it' maybe isn't even the right way to word it, it might be too lenient....).

But hey, we know how I'll vote on it should it come to a vote...

EDIT: I know this isn't entirely coherent but I think you should get the general point... I'll go back and fix this up later for clarity. I just figured I'd chime in before things got out of hand.

 

[Heysup]

There have been plenty of arguments for the brokeness of Eviolite just not from the last suspect period - we apparently decided to ban a few Pokemon instead of just Eviolite.

To recap, anything with some sort of reliable recover becomes nearly impossible for almost any Pokemon to kill except for a super effective STAB attack or another Eviolite Pokemon with a stat boosting move. Eviolite does a similar thing to Berry Juice except it significantly boosts Pokemon with recovery AND a stat boost rather than every stat-boosting Pokemon. It makes them really hard to KO and with the stat boosts, you know they'll KO you right back. Note that recovery moves include Drain Punch which is very common in this metagame due to so many Pokemon having it (Croagunk, Mienfoo, Timburr, Scraggy, etc).

It's not just a "dislike" it just gives a select number Pokemon an uncompetitive advantage over others.

 

[Ray Jay]

Although I don't agree with Heysup's statement as a whole, it can be evidenced through one Pokemon: Scraggy. Next time you're rolling around town, try using Scraggy without Evoilite and see what happens.