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Little Cups (Cup 4, FINALS!)

Discussion in 'BW LC' started by blarajan, Oct 24, 2012.

  1. blarajan

    blarajan Rest in Bling
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    Aug 29, 2010
    Credit to Oglemi / RU for the OP

    All right so basically we'll be spicing some things up in LC from now on~ It'll be like teambats, but much less annoying for us to deal with.

    How to participate:
    • The LC Mini-Tournaments are run just like an official Smogon tournament. *The first thread/post posted is the sign-ups. *During the sign-ups you post "in".
    • All of the Rounds will take place in this thread, so keep your eyes peeled for when the round is over and the next round has started!
    • Sign ups will be in multiples of 8, randomized like official tournaments

    General Rulings for all Tournaments (open)


    I expect many battles to be completed under alts. This can be bad for tournament security, and thus I will make this clear: If I hear any whispers of identity theft (battling as someone you are not) or proxy battling (helping someone else battle through pm) I will not be pleased and I will take severe actions.


    Next, I do not want to hear anything about counterteaming, at all. Do not complain about it. I also don't want to hear about any blatant scouting. There is a difference between "[user] is known for using stall" and "let me follow [user] around all day to watch all his battles since I am his opponent". I expect a lot of the former and none of the latter. With that said, I give permission to all battlers to ask any person spectating their battle to leave if they do not want them watching.*

    Timer Clause

    As for taking long between moves, if your opponent asks you to hurry up, please oblige. If you are doing a damage calc for a key turn that is one thing, but prolonging every move is suspicious and annoying. Don't do it. Furthermore, Battle Timeout is a rule for a reason. If you run out of time, you lose, simple as that. It does not matter what your opponent says. Do not battle if you think you will have to leave mid battle, and instead reschedule for a better time.


    Finally, in the case of a disconnect, the decision is in the hands of the player who did not disconnect. The options are: redo the battle move for move, redo the battle with the same teams but different moves, or redo the battle with completely different teams. If the battle was without a doubt over, they may also take the win. Any suspicion that a disconnect was committed on purpose to redo a match may be appealed to me, and if I feel this happened there will be severe consequences, don't do it.

    I know that was a lot to read, but it is all necessary for me to have posted here so everyone can see it in the case of a dispute. I don't want any confusion or any problems.

    LC Mini-Tournaments Rules:
    • Battles will be played on Pokemon Showdown! / Pokemon Online.
    • Gen V LC
    • This is a single elimination best of one tournament.
    • You may switch your team each round.
    Little Cup Rules:
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    Pokémon: Players are allowed a team of up to 6 Pokémon that meet the following conditions:

    • The Pokémon must be able to evolve.
    • The Pokémon must be the earliest evolution stage obtainable.
    • The Pokémon must be at Level 5.
    • The Pokémon must not be on the Ubers list.
    Species Clause - Only one Pokémon may be on a team from each species.

    Ubers - The following are banned from use in Little Cup:


    Abilities, Items, and Moves:

    Abilities: Moody is banned.

    Items: Pokémon in Little Cup are allowed to hold items, as in any Pokémon match. The "Item Clause" is not in effect in Little Cup, multiple teammates can hold the same item. The item Berry Juice is banned.

    Moves: Pokémon in Little Cup can use (nearly) any move available to them at Level 5. All non-genderless Pokemon can use their level-up moves, and genderless Pokemon can use any 3rd generation level-up move in conjunction with any TMs. Sonicboom and Dragon Rage are both banned moves. Further information on illegal move combinations is located here.

    OHKO Clause - Moves that score a guaranteed "One-hit-KO" on the opponent, such as Sheer Cold, Horn Drill, Guillotine, or Fissure, are banned.

    Evasion Clause - Moves that directly increase a users Evasion such as Double Team and Minimize are banned.

    Battle Mechanics:

    Sleep Clause - Only one Pokémon can be put to sleep by an opponent at a time, per team.

    Self-KO Clause - If an opponent uses Selfdestruct or Explosion with their last Pokémon, they lose the game regardless of the number of Pokémon remaining on the other team.

    Evasion Clause - Moves that boost evasion (i.e. Double Team and Minimize) are not allowed.

    EVs: Contrary to some beliefs, it has been proven that even with a level 5 baby, any EV spread is possible on any Pokémon. Thus, the standard in game maximum of 255 EVs per stat, 510 EVs total is the only limitation on EVs in Little Cup.

    Other things to note about LC Mini-Tournaments:
    • All Rounds and tournaments will take place in this thread, so keep your eyes peeled for the start of new rounds and sign-ups.
    • Each tournament can and probably will have a quirk dealing with the LC metagame, which can change the ban list
    • Because most of these tourneys will have weird quirks, please save your logs and be prepared to take a screenshot of the battle should you suspect your opponent of cheating. *However, I do not want your logs and you don't have to submit your teams to me or whoever is running the mini-tourney.
    • Because all of the mini-tourneys will take place in this thread, there won't be more than one tourney running at a time.
    • Any of the above rules are subject to change depending on the tourney.
    Important Note

    • Little Cups performance will be incorporated for Little Cup Player Ranking.
    • As such, deadlines will now be stringent. Extensions will be the exception, not the norm.
    • Every round you win in a Little Cup will give you 1 point for the Little Cup Player Ranking. See here for details.

    Possible Rewards for *multiple* winners:
    • Custom title under your forum name
    • HOPs (Half-ops status (%) in #littlecup)

    If you have any questions/concerns please don't be hesitate to post them below. Please refer to this thread for any basic questions. Otherwise, refer to any analyses / guides, join #littlecup on IRC, or post here!

    Cup 1 (open)

    Little Cups 1!
    Weather Palooza

    Special Rules:

    • Vulpix / Drought is unbanned from LC
    • Poliwag will be given Drizzle (which means all challenges will be made in a Pokemon Showdown! Hackmons sort of tier)
    • Drizzle + Swift Swim will be legal, we straight up thug in LC
    note: All move illegalities that apply to Poliwag with Swift Swim will be in effect for Poliwag with Drizzle

    Sign ups:

    1. Dr. Ciel
    2. Silvershadow234
    3. JacobNinja
    4. Chieliee
    5. DittoCrow
    6. Raseri
    7. New Breed
    8. Furry
    9. Nanoswine
    10. Ray Jay
    11. dragonboy52
    12. Delver
    13. Hawkstar
    14. BROStime
    15. Litchi
    16. Elevator Music
    17. Mylo Xyloto
    18. Sir
    19. Gengan
    20. A l e x a n d e r
    21. Metroid78
    22. iss
    23. comatthew6
    24. Corkscrew
    25. blarajan
    26. MarceloDK
    27. little_gk
    28. Enix
    29. prem
    30. KingTorterraXIV
    31. Someoneelse
    32. spuds4ever
    Round 1

    KingTorterraXIV vs iss
    Corkscrew vs little_gk
    Elevator Music vs A l e x a n d e r
    Silvershadow234 vs Dr. Ciel
    Ray Jay vs Enix
    Metroid78 vs Furry
    New Breed vs Mylo Xyloto
    Delver vs Chieliee
    blarajan vs Litchi
    JacobNinja vs DittoCrow
    prem vs Someoneelse
    Gengan vs MarceloDK
    Raseri vs Nanoswine
    Princess Bri vs comatthew6
    Hawkstar vs Sir
    dragonboy52 vs spuds4ever


    MarceloDK vs dragonboy52
    Mylo Xyloto vs comatthew6
    Dr. Ciel vs Chieliee
    Someoneelse vs KingTorterraXIV
    Nanoswine vs Corkscrew
    Enix vs Hawkstar
    DittoCrow vs Metroid78
    Elevator Music vs Litchi

    ROUND 3

    Elevator Music vs Metroid 78
    Hawkstar vs MarceloDK
    Mylo Xyloto vs Chieliee
    Corkscrew vs Someoneelse

    ROUND 4

    MarceloDK vs Elevator Music
    Corkscrew vs Chieliee


    Elevator Music
    vs Chieliee

    Cup 2 (open)


    Rule: No Scraggy Allowed
    Otherwise Standard
    Sign Ups:
    1. Jacob Ninja
    2. Corkscrew
    3. Chieliee
    4. Delver
    5. Hawkstar
    6. iss
    7. Sir
    8. DatCoconut
    9. Litchi
    10. Ray Jay
    11. Tofu
    12. Raseri
    13. Elevator Music
    14. little gk
    15. prem
    16. Phazon00
    17. Woodchuck
    18. Mikel
    19. thebrownie
    20. TehMexicanDewd
    21. Oiawesome
    22. The Unlucky one
    23. Demist
    24. comatthew6
    25. viashinomage
    26. Gone to the beach
    27. blarajan
    28. EBeast
    29. FLCL
    30. Enigneer Pikachu
    Round 1

    Oiawesome vs Engineer Pikachu
    The Unlucky one vs DatCoconut
    Chieliee vs Ray Jay Furai
    Jacob Ninja vs iss
    Hawkstar vs Gone to the beach
    comatthew6 vs TehMexicanDewd
    thebrownie vs Sir
    EBeast vs blarajan
    prem vs viashinomage
    Mikel vs Corkscrew
    Raseri vs Elevator Music
    Demist vs Delver
    Woodchuck vs Phazon00
    Tofu vs little gk
    FLCL vs BYE
    Litchi vs BYE

    Deadline will be 11:59 PM EST Wednesday, December 5th.

    Round 2

    Gave Gone to the Beach and Tofu activity wins.

    Gone to the beach vs Furai
    Engineer Pikachu vs Litchi
    Mikel vs TehMexicanDewd
    thebrownie vs Tofu
    Elevator Music vs Delver
    prem vs iss
    Woodchuck vs FLCL
    EBeast vs The Unlucky one

    Deadline 12/12/12!!!

    Coinflipped Engineer Pikachu vs. Litchi

    Round 3:
    Elevator Music vs. FLCL
    Furai vs. EBeast
    Litchi vs. prem
    thebrownie vs. TehMexicanDewd

    Deadline is 12/20/12

    Round 4

    FLCL v. thebrownie
    EBeast v. Litchi

    deadline 12/28/12


    FlCL v. Litchi

    Cup 3 (open)
    Little Cup 3


    1. FireMage
    2. Raseri
    3. prem
    4. Elevator Music
    5. Hawkstar
    6. Good Luck
    7. FLCL
    8. Mikel
    9. iss
    10. Corkscrew
    11. The Unlucky One
    12. The Ttar
    13. Litchi
    14. Woodchuck
    15. Mylo Xyloto
    16. Chieliee
    17. blarajan
    18. DatCoconut
    19. Dr. Ciel
    20. Diana
    21. little_gk
    22. Windsong

    Round 1

    little_gk vs FLCL
    Hawkstar vs Bye
    Elevator Music vs Diana
    iss vs FireMage
    Chieliee vs Litchi
    The Ttar vs Woodchuck
    prem vs DatCoconut
    Mylo Xyloto vs blarajan
    Raseri vs Dr. Ciel
    Good Luck vs Mikel
    The Unlucky One vs Corkscrew
    Windsong vs Bye

    Round 2

    Woodchuck vs Elevator Music
    iss vs Windsong
    Good Luck vs Mylo Xyloto blarajan
    The Unlucky One vs Chieliee
    prem vs Raseri
    Hawkstar vs FLCL

    Round 3

    Elevator Music vs iss
    Hawkstar vs Good Luck
    Raseri vs The Unlucky One


    Hawkstar v Elevator Music
    Elevator Music v The Unlucky One
    Hawkstar v The Unlucky One
  2. Elevator Music

    Elevator Music still not a girl, sry
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    Little Cup 4



    1. iss
    2. Good_Luck!
    3. Electrolyte
    4. JacobNinja
    5. Hawkstar
    6. DatCoconut
    7. Novaray
    8. Shining Latios
    9. default NNC
    10. Skittle
    11. Woodchuck
    12. The Unlucky one
    13. Corkscrew
    14. Sarkynin
    15. Mikel
    16. The Quasar
    17. macle
    18. Chieliee
    19. celever
    20. Litchi
    21. Delver
    22. blarajan
    23. Organization Member XIV
    24. Finchinator
    25. shuckles my hero
    26. AuraRayquaza
    27. Grimsly
    28. FireMage
    29. Conzipe
    30. Younii
    31. Nozzle
    32. Qwilphish
  3. iss

    iss happily ever after
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    Jun 5, 2009

    it's almost begging for sand usage T.T
  4. Good_Luck!


    Apr 18, 2011
    That would be too obvious yet effective.

  5. Electrolyte

    Electrolyte Who says I can't get stoned?
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    Jul 5, 2012
  6. JacobNinja


    Aug 5, 2012
    In. I don't use snover
  7. Celestavian

    Celestavian Let the fire consume me, let the courage flow through me
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    May 23, 2010
  8. Coconut

    Coconut Stranded in the Kalahari, will you share your flask?
    is a Tutor

    Jul 22, 2012
  9. Nova

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    Nov 13, 2011
  10. Shining_Latios


    May 5, 2010
  11. default NNC

    default NNC

    Nov 21, 2012
    In please! LC is an underrated tier. ^.^
  12. Skittle


    Jan 15, 2013
  13. Woodchuck

    Woodchuck actual cannibal
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    May 25, 2010
    I hope this doesn't turn out to be terrible
    also: ten bucks iss uses wingull
  14. TUO


    Jun 5, 2012
    these cups are really lacking diversity. In anyways, hopefully timezone bs doesn't turn me to The Unreasonable One again
  15. Rowan

    Rowan not a professor
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    Jul 21, 2009
    in it to win it not get knocked out round 1 again
  16. apt-get

    apt-get I shall drain every drop of spring from you!
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    Aug 19, 2012
    I'll try, in I guess
  17. michael

    michael m as in mancy
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    Jun 26, 2011
    i'm so very inb4 i get haxed again

    woodchuck stop trying to gull the users

  18. The Quasar

    The Quasar
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    Jul 27, 2012
    I don't know LC at all. That's a good reason to IN
  19. macle

    macle formerly Bane. (Sunflora- add 50 spe)
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    Jun 21, 2008
  20. Chieliee


    Sep 26, 2010
  21. Celever


    Sep 25, 2012
  22. Litchi


    Dec 3, 2011
  23. Delver

    Delver I got the runs like Jagger

    Sep 26, 2012
    I dont get the point of this LCC but I guess I'll get in on it.

    edit: I guess a better way to state it is: The majority of people are going to be running sand teams and then theres going to be a select few trying to get things like Cottonee to work while they get swept because drilbur is going to be running X-scissor.
  24. blarajan

    blarajan Rest in Bling
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    Aug 29, 2010

    the point of these fuckers is to learn something

    stop complaining start LEARNING

    "no hail == sand++ so hmmm what do we do about that, is sand actually overpowering without snover?"

  25. iss

    iss happily ever after
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    Jun 5, 2009
    figure way to trap hippo + rain + wingull = win

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