Ludicolo

Twix

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[OVERVIEW]

Ludicolo finds its niche in the tier as a rain sweeper alongside Kabutops and Omastar, due to its ability Swift Swim. Ludicolo possesses outstanding coverage with its Water- and Grass-type STAB moves and Ice Beam, making it very difficult to switch into. However, even with a Swift Swim boost, Ludicolo is outsped by common Pokemon if it runs a Modest nature, such as Choice Scarf Delphox, Choice Scarf Durant, Choice Scarf Flygon, and Unburden Hitmonlee, all of which can deal solid damage to it. Strong priority moves such as Fletchinder's Acrobatics and Shiftry's Sucker Punch can take Ludicolo down as well. Ludicolo is also severely hindered by status, as paralysis cripples its Speed, while burns and poison can weaken it quickly in combination with Life Orb damage.

[SET]
name: Swift Swim Sweeper
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Hydro Pump gains a STAB boost and generally deals the most damage to foes, but it can't be relied on due to its shaky accuracy. Surf is a more reliable option over Hydro Pump, although it lacks a lot of power, while Scald can burn and cripple physical attackers, at the cost of even more power. Giga Drain gains a STAB boost, can take on Water-types, and offers a bit of recovery, which works well with Life Orb. Ice Beam takes on opposing Grass-types and Dragon-types, forming perfect coverage with Ludicolo's Grass- and Water-type STAB moves. Rain Dance allows Ludicolo to activate Swift Swim so that it can attempt to clean an opposing team.

Set Details
========

Maximum Special Attack and Speed EVs paired with a Modest nature allow Ludicolo to hit as hard as it can while still outspeeding all it needs to under rain. A Timid nature can be used to outspeed Choice Scarf Delphox, Choice Scarf Durant, Choice Scarf Flygon, and Unburden Hitmonlee. Life Orb raises Ludicolo's damage output but at the cost of HP. Swift Swim allows Ludicolo to become a dangerous threat under rain, allowing it to outpace Pokemon it normally wouldn't.

Usage Tips
========

Ludicolo does best under rain and should be used under it if attempting to clean an opposing team. Attempt to keep Ludicolo away from status, as status can either shorten its longevity or compromise its Speed. Ludicolo should be brought in with slow momentum moves, such as Volt Switch from Eelektross and U-turn from Pelipper.

Team Options
========

Rain Dance users, such as Liepard, Bronzong, Uxie, and Volbeat, can set up rain for Ludicolo so that it doesn't have to set it for itself. In particular, Liepard and Volbeat have Prankster to set up rain with priority. Bronzong and Uxie can set up Stealth Rock and Rain Dance, with the former using Explosion and the latter using Memento to give Ludicolo a free switch in after both are set up. Other rain abusers, such as Omastar, Kabutops, and Seismitoad, can work well with Ludicolo to break down an opposing team. Slow momentum users, such as Pelipper and Eelektross, can allow Ludicolo to enter the field without taking damage. Memento and Healing Wish support from Spiritomb and Mespirit, respectively, can either weaken the foe's offensive presence or heal Ludicolo and remove its status. Rock-types such as Tyrantrum, Kabutops, and Omastar can take on Flying- and Bug-types for Ludicolo, while Ludicolo can take on Grass- and Water-types for them in return. Electric-types such as Eelektross, Rotom-C, and Jolteon can take on Flying-types for Ludicolo, as well as pivot to it with Volt Switch.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Choice Specs can be used over Life Orb to deal more damage, with the drawback of locking Ludicolo into a move and disabling it from using Rain Dance on its own. Assault Vest might seem like a plausible item due to Ludicolo's stat distribution, but it loses out on the power of Life Orb and the utility from Rain Dance. A Swords Dance set can be used to catch foes off-guard, although it is only made remotely viable due to its surprise factor and is weak until it gets a boost. Ludicolo can run a defensively based SubSeed set with Rain Dish, recovering almost a quarter of its health per turn, but due to rain being limited, using such a set isn't a good idea. Focus Blast can be used to take on Ferroseed, but that is its only target. Energy Ball can be used over Giga Drain for more damage at the cost of recovery, but it doesn't gain any notable KOs.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Special Walls**: Amoonguss and Registeel can easily take Ludicolo's attacks, with the former being able to retaliate with its Poison-type STAB moves and the latter crippling it with Thunder Wave. Similarly, Aromatisse can stall out rain turns with a combination of Wish and Protect, although it has to look out for a rain-boosted Hydro Pump.

**Strong Priority**: Priority moves such as Fletchinder's Acrobatics and Spiritomb's and Shiftry's Sucker Punch can deal solid damage to Ludicolo, with the former OHKOing it and the latter 2HKOing it.

**Status**: Ludicolo despises all status problems, as they can all cripple it in their own ways. Paralysis from Pokemon such as Druddigon, Registeel, and Uxie can compromise its speed, while Toxic from Togetic or Bronzong can weaken it quicker. Druddigon in particular can either deal massive damage to Ludicolo or paralyze it and take its STAB moves well.

**Flying-types**: Fletchinder can outpace and OHKO Ludicolo with Gale Wings Acrobatics. Other Flying-types such as Sigilyph and Braviary can outpace Ludicolo if rain is not up, but they fear an Ice Beam.

**Virizion**: Virizion, with its high natural special bulk, takes very little damage from Ludicolo's STAB moves, while it loses around three-fifths of its health from Ice Beam. In return, Virizion can deal massive damage to Ludicolo with its Fighting-type STAB moves. This situation often ends with both of the Pokemon being KOed, or with one being severely weakened.
 
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Mention it's all-around good coverage with dual stabs + ice beam in overview

I don't like Surf or Scald slashes; perhaps mention them in moves?

In set details, mention timid, which outspeeds all those Scarf users but misses out on power.

Bronzong as a rain setter. Emphasize how both Bronzong and Uxie can set up rocks, rain, and safely bring in a sweeper via explosion and memento.

In c&c maybe mention drudd somewhere, which can take a beating and hurt ludicolo or glare it

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EonX

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Virizion is a decent offensive check. It is able to handle a single Ice Beam and deal significant damage with Close Combat, often ending Ludicolo's sweep prematurely in conjunction with LO recoil. It is generally a trade though, so it probably should only go at the bottom of C&C if it goes at all. Also think you mean Eelektross in the Electric-types mention in Team Options, not Eelektrick lol. Seems solid, so

QC Approved 2/3 Twix
 

atomicllamas

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I think you oversell ludicolo in the overview a bit with "proinent rain sweeper", as rain sweepers aren't in general very prominent, you could say Ludicolo finds its niche as a good rain sweeper in RU or something along those lines.

In general you have all the information that would be necessary in your analysis, but I really feel like there are some writing issues in how this is presented :x.

For example, "Ludicolo is only under its full potential under rain, and should be used under it if it's attempting to clean an opposing team." is a very awkward and unnecessarily wordy sentence. Most of the writing in this analysis, while possibly not technically wrong (some of it is technically wrong) is worded in a way that just doesn't sound natural. If you could try to straigten out the prose a little bit, so it is easier to understand I would be willing to give you a third stamp, if not, I will probably have to reassign as its gonna be a pain for GP in this state :x.
 

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[OVERVIEW]

Ludicolo finds its niche in the tier as a rain sweeper in the tier alongside Kabutops and Omastar, due to its ability Swift Swim. Ludicolo possesses outstanding coverage with its Water- and Grass-type STAB moves Water and Grass STABs, and Ice Beam, (comma) making it very difficult to switch into. However, even with a Swift Swim boost, Ludicolo is outsped by common Pokemon if it has runs a Modest nature, such as Choice Scarf Delphox, Choice Scarf Durant, Choice Scarf Flygon, and Unburden Hitmonlee, which can all deal solid damage against it. Ludicolo can be taken on by Strong priority moves such as Fletchinder's Acrobatics or and Shiftry's Sucker Punch can take Ludicolo down as well. Ludicolo is also severely weak to hindered by status, (comma) as burn and poison can weaken it quickly in combination with Life Orb damage, (remove comma) and paralysis can cripples its Speed.

[SET]
name: Damp Pineapple (Swift Swim Sweeper)
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Hydro Pump gains a STAB boost and generally deals the most damage to a foes, but it can't be relied on due to its sketchy shaky accuracy. Surf is an more reliable option over Hydro Pump as it is more reliable, although it loses a lot of power in the process, while Scald can burn and cripple physical attackers, at the loss of even more power. Giga Drain gains a STAB boost when used by Ludicolo, can take on Water-types, and offers a bit of recovery, which works well with Life Orb. Ice Beam takes on opposing Grass-types and Dragon-types, forming a perfect coverage with Ludicolo's Grass- and Water-type STABs moves. Rain Dance allows Ludicolo to activate Swift Swim, and so that it can attempt to clean an opposing team.

Set Details
========

Maximum Special Attack and Speed EVs paired with a Modest nature allows Ludicolo to hit as hard as it can, (remove comma) while still outspeeding all it needs to under rain. A Timid nature could be used to outspeed Choice Scarf Delphox, Choice Scarf Durant, Choice Scarf Flygon, and Unburden Hitmonlee. Life Orb raises Ludicolo's damage output per attack, but at the cost of HP loss. Swift Swim allows Ludicolo to become a dangerous threat under rain, by allowing it to outpace Pokemon it normally wouldn't.

Usage Tips
========

Ludicolo does best under rain, (remove comma) and should be used under it if attempting to clean an opposing team. Attempt to keep Ludicolo away from status, (comma) as it status can either shorten its longevity or compromise its Speed. Ludicolo should be brought in from with slow momentum moves such as a Volt Switch from Eelektross or and U-turn from Pelipper.

Team Options
========

Rain Dance users, such as Liepard, Bronzong, Uxie, and Volbeat, (comma) can set up rain for Ludicolo, meaning so that it doesn't have to set it for itself. In particular, Liepard and Volbeat have Prankster to set up rain with priority. Bronzong and Uxie can set up Stealth Rock and Rain Dance, with the former using Explosion and the latter using Memento to give Ludicolo a free switch in after both are set up. Liepard and Volbeat function as rain setters with Prankster. (I prefer it before Bronzong/Uxie's sentence but it's not a necessary change) Other rain abusers, such as Omastar, Kabutops, and Seismitoad, (comma) can work well with Ludicolo to breaking down an opposing team. Slow momentum users, such as Pelipper and Eelektross, can allow Ludicolo to enter the field without taking damage. Memento and Healing Wish support from Spiritomb and Mespirit, (comma) respectively, (comma) can either weaken the foe's attacking offensive presence or heal Ludicolo and remove its status. Rock-types such as Tyrantrum, Kabutops, and Omastar can take on Flying- and Bug-types for Ludicolo, while Ludicolo can take on Grass- and Water-types for them in return. Electric-types such as Eelektross, Rotom-C, and Jolteon can take on Flying-types for Ludicolo, as well as switch pivot to it with Volt Switch.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Choice Specs can be used over Life Orb to produce deal more damage, with the drawback of locking Ludicolo into a move and disabling it from using Rain Dance on its own. Assault Vest may might seem like a plausible item due to Ludicolo's stat distribution, but it loses out on the power of Life Orb and the utility from Rain Dance. A Swords Dance set could be a set used to catch foes off-guard, although it is only made remotely viable due to its surprise factor and is weak until it gets a boost. Ludicolo could run a defensively based SubSeed set with Rain Dish, recovering a quarter of its health per turn, but due to rain being limited, it isn't a good idea. Focus Blast can be used to take on Ferroseed, but that is its only target (or "the moveslot has better uses") takes up a move slot just for it. Energy Ball can be used over Giga Drain for more damage at the loss of recovery, but it doesn't gain any notable KOs.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Special Walls**: Amoonguss and Registeel can easily take on Ludicolo's attacks, (comma) with the former being able to take it on with its Poison STABs retaliate with its Poison-type STAB moves and the latter crippling it with Thunder Wave. Similarly, Aromatisse can stall out rain turns with a combination of Wish and Protect, although it has to look out for a rain(dash)boosted Hydro Pump.

**Strong Priority**: Priority moves such as Fletchinder's Acrobatics or and Spiritomb's and Shiftry's Sucker Punch can deal solid damage to Ludicolo, (comma) with the former OHKOing it and the latter 2HKOing it.

**Status**: Ludicolo despises all status, (comma) as they can all cripple it in their own ways. Paralysis from Pokemon such as Druddigon, Registeel, or and Uxie can compromise its speed, while Toxic from Togetic or Bronzong can weaken it quicker and burn from Scald does as well. Druddigon especially, can either deal massive damage towards Ludicolo or paralyze it and take on its attacks well.

**Flying-types**: Fletchinder, (comma) among others, can outpace and OHKO Ludicolo with Gale Wings Acrobatics. Other Flying-types, (remove comma) such as Sigilyph and Braviary can outpace Ludicolo if rain is not up, however but they have to fear an Ice Beam.

**Virizion**: Virizion, with its high natural special bulk, takes very little damage from Ludicolo's STAB moves, while it loses losing around three-fifths of its health from Ice Beam. In return, Virizion can deal massive damage to Ludicolo with it using its Fighting-type STABs moves. This situation often ends in both of the Pokemon being KOed KO'd, or by with one being severely weakened.
 
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[OVERVIEW]

Ludicolo finds its niche in the tier as a rain sweeper alongside Kabutops and Omastar, due to its ability Swift Swim. Ludicolo possesses outstanding coverage with its Water- and Grass-type STAB moves and Ice Beam, making it very difficult to switch into. However, even with a Swift Swim boost, Ludicolo is outsped by common Pokemon if it runs a Modest nature, such as Choice Scarf Delphox, Choice Scarf Durant, Choice Scarf Flygon, and Unburden Hitmonlee, all of which can all deal solid damage to it. Strong priority moves such as Fletchinder's Acrobatics and Shiftry's Sucker Punch can take Ludicolo down as well. Ludicolo is also severely hindered by status, as paralysis cripples its Speed, while burns and poison can weaken it quickly in combination with Life Orb damage and paralysis cripples its Speed.

[SET]
name: Damp Pineapple (Swift Swim Sweeper)
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Hydro Pump gains a STAB boost and generally deals the most damage to foes, but it can't be relied on due to its shaky accuracy. Surf is a more reliable option over Hydro Pump, although it lacks a lot of power in the process, while Scald can burn and cripple physical attackers, at the cost of even more power. Giga Drain gains a STAB boost, can take on Water-types, and offers a bit of recovery, which works well with Life Orb. Ice Beam takes on opposing Grass-types and Dragon-types, forming perfect coverage with Ludicolo's Grass- and Water-type STAB moves. Rain Dance allows Ludicolo to activate Swift Swim so that it can attempt to clean an opposing team.

Set Details
========

Maximum Special Attack and Speed EVs paired with a Modest nature allow Ludicolo to hit as hard as it can while still outspeeding all it needs to under rain. A Timid nature can be used to outspeed Choice Scarf Delphox, Choice Scarf Durant, Choice Scarf Flygon, and Unburden Hitmonlee. Life Orb raises Ludicolo's damage output but at the cost of HP. Swift Swim allows Ludicolo to become a dangerous threat under rain, allowing it to outpace Pokemon it normally wouldn't.

Usage Tips
========

Ludicolo does best under rain and should be used under it if attempting to clean an opposing team. Attempt to keep Ludicolo away from status, as status can either shorten its longevity or compromise its Speed. Ludicolo should be brought in with slow momentum moves, such as Volt Switch from Eelektross and U-turn from Pelipper.

Team Options
========

Rain Dance users, such as Liepard, Bronzong, Uxie, and Volbeat, can set up rain for Ludicolo so that it doesn't have to set it for itself. In particular, Liepard and Volbeat have Prankster to set up rain with priority. Bronzong and Uxie can set up Stealth Rock and Rain Dance, with the former using Explosion and the latter using Memento to give Ludicolo a free switch in after both are set up. Other rain abusers, such as Omastar, Kabutops, and Seismitoad, can work well with Ludicolo to break down an opposing team. Slow momentum users, such as Pelipper and Eelektross, can allow Ludicolo to enter the field without taking damage. Memento and Healing Wish support from Spiritomb and Mespirit, respectively, can either weaken the foe's offensive presence or heal Ludicolo and remove its status. Rock-types such as Tyrantrum, Kabutops, and Omastar can take on Flying- and Bug-types for Ludicolo, while Ludicolo can take on Grass- and Water-types for them in return. Electric-types such as Eelektross, Rotom-C, and Jolteon can take on Flying-types for Ludicolo, as well as pivot to it with Volt Switch.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Choice Specs can be used over Life Orb to deal more damage, with the drawback of locking Ludicolo into a move and disabling it from using Rain Dance on its own. Assault Vest might seem like a plausible item due to Ludicolo's stat distribution, but it loses out on the power of Life Orb and the utility from Rain Dance. A Swords Dance set can be used to catch foes off-guard, although it is only made remotely viable due to its surprise factor and is weak until it gets a boost. Ludicolo can run a defensively based SubSeed set with Rain Dish, recovering a quarter of its health per turn (you might want to reword this since it isn't exactly a quarter with Leech Seed), but due to rain being limited, using such a set isn't a good idea. Focus Blast can be used to take on Ferroseed, but that is its only target. Energy Ball can be used over Giga Drain for more damage at the cost of recovery, but it doesn't gain any notable KOs.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Special Walls**: Amoonguss and Registeel can easily take Ludicolo's attacks, with the former being able to retaliate with its Poison-type STAB moves and the latter crippling it with Thunder Wave. Similarly, Aromatisse can stall out rain turns with a combination of Wish and Protect, although it has to look out for a rain-boosted Hydro Pump.

**Strong Priority**: Priority moves such as Fletchinder's Acrobatics and Spiritomb's and Shiftry's Sucker Punch can deal solid damage to Ludicolo, with the former OHKOing it and the latter 2HKOing it.

**Status**: Ludicolo despises all status problems, as they can all cripple it in their own ways. Paralysis from Pokemon such as Druddigon, Registeel, and Uxie can compromise its speed, while Toxic from Togetic or Bronzong can weaken it quicker and burn from Scald does as well. Druddigon in particular can either deal massive damage to Ludicolo or paralyze it and take on its STAB moves well.

**Flying-types**: Fletchinder, among others, can outpace and OHKO Ludicolo with Gale Wings Acrobatics. Other Flying-types such as Sigilyph and Braviary can outpace Ludicolo if rain is not up, but they have to fear an Ice Beam.

**Virizion**: Virizion, with its high natural special bulk, takes very little damage from Ludicolo's STAB moves, while it loses around three-fifths of its health from Ice Beam. In return, Virizion can deal massive damage to Ludicolo with its Fighting-type STAB moves. This situation often ends with both of the Pokemon being KOed, or with one being severely weakened.


GP 2/2 Twix
 
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