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Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by Sixonesix, Sep 25, 2011.

  1. Sixonesix

    is a Past SPL Champion

    Dec 2, 2007



    move 1: Fake Out
    move 2: Surf / Hydro Pump/ Scald
    move 3: Giga Drain / Ice Beam
    move 4: Protect
    item: Life Orb / Absorb Bulb
    ability: Swift Swim
    nature: Modest
    evs: 172 HP / 252 SpA / 84 Spe

    Fake Out lets Ludicolo put pressure on the opponent turn 1 and can set up for all kinds of attacks from its partner. Giga Drain is its most reliable Grass STAB, dealing massive damage to Rotom-W and Gastrodon even with Rindo Berry. Ice Beam hits Dragonite super-effective, preventing it from walling Ludicolo's STAB moves. For Water STAB, Ludicolo can choose from Surf, which hits every Pokemon on the field, Hydro Pump, which hits one select target for massive damage, or Scald, which is less powerful than Hydro Pump but is more reliable.

    Life Orb gives Ludicolo more power at the cost of HP. Absorb Bulb lets it gain a one-time Special Attack boost when paired with a partner with Surf.

    A spread of 6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe lets Ludicolo outspeed Adamant Choice Scarf Terrakion in rain.
    Ice Beam can replace any of the other slots as well.

    move 1: Leech Seed
    move 2: Substitute / Ice Beam
    move 3: Giga Drain / Scald
    move 4: Protect
    item: Leftovers / Sitrus Berry
    ability: Swift Swim
    nature: Modest
    evs: 252 HP / 124 SpA / 132 SpD

    Leech Seed is an incredibly disruptive move, made even better by the fact that Ludicolo can attach Leech Seed to both of the active enemy Pokemon in a double battle. Substitute lets Ludicolo stall with Leech Seed, which can net a win if the time limit is drawing near. Ice Beam hits most other Grass-types super-effective, which is important because Leech Seed will not affect Grass-types. Giga Drain gets Ludicolo even more health back, but Scald may be more useful for the chance to burn Ferrothorn, which is immune to Leech Seed and takes little damage from Ice Beam.

    Swift Swim makes Ludicolo's Substitutes nigh unpreventable in rain, but Rain Dish lets Ludicolo regain even more health every turn. With Leech Seed, Leftovers, and Rain Dish, Ludicolo can recover all of the health lost from one Substitute in a single turn.

    [Other Options]
    Grass Knot is often more powerful than Giga Drain, but one key target, Rotom-W, gets hit by Grass Knot for 20 base power so it essentially walls Ludicolo if its only Grass move is Grass Knot. Politoed is also only hit for 60 base power compared to Giga Drain's 75. Water Gem can be used to boost its more powerful STAB moves.

    [Checks and Counters]
    Scizor and Hitmontop both get Technician Aerial Ace which will OHKO Ludicolo without Coba Berry.
    Tornadus and Crobat will both OHKO with Flying Gem Acrobatics, but they often have trouble surviving rain-boosted water attacks without extra HP EVs. Latios takes minimal damage from either of Ludicolo's STAB attacks, and Draco Meteor will 2HKO Ludicolo at worst. However, Ludicolo can fight back somewhat if it has Ice Beam and rain is up. Though Ludicolo has a lot of resistances, its average defensive stats do not allow it to take neutral hits very well, so powerful attacks like Thunder, Close Combat, and Draco Meteor will brutalize it.
  2. muffinhead

    muffinhead b202 wifi vgc
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    Mar 6, 2010
    is this ready for qc? o.o
    solace and i would like to see a calm bulky spread with leech seed and sitrus / lefties.
    absorb bulb and life orb are the two best options for offensive ludicolo, please move lefties / sitrus to oo.
    theres nothing about teammates xD
    also could you add lati@s to checks and counters (if ludicolo doesnt have ice beam)?

    move 3: Surf / Hydro Pump / Scald should be before Giga Drain / Ice Beam, its stronger because of rain.
  3. Drifblim


    Nov 9, 2011
    Why would Technician Scizor be using Aerial Ace rather than Bug Bite? Could mention a Rain Dish set with Lefties and Leech Seed, after one turn of set up that gets 1/4th back a turn. With Ludicolo's decent typing and OK defensive stats that could become a seious nuisance
  4. Solace

    Solace cheap thrills
    is a Site Staff Alumnusis a Super Moderator Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnusis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnus

    Nov 4, 2009
    taken over by cybertron here.

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