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Magmortar (Update)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Komodo, Apr 9, 2010.

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    -Mixed wall breaker set by Ich777ich

    [Overview]


    <p>With excellent offensive stats and a decent movepool, Magmortar can be a huge threat in UU. However, it's cursed with being a Fire-type,
    thus losing 25% of its health to Stealth Rock upon switching in. Magmortar's Speed is also only average, leaving it vulnerable to faster sweepers, provided that they can switch in safely. What sets Magmortar apart from other Fire-types like Blaziken and Typhlosion is its access to Thunderbolt, which gives it an easier time against bulky Water-types like Slowbro. As long as you can get around Magmortar's weaknesses, it makes an effective sweeper.</p>

    [SET]

    name: Mixed Attacker
    move 1: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
    move 2: Thunderbolt
    move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
    move 4: Cross Chop
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Naive / Hasty
    evs: 16 Atk / 252 SpA / 240 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]


    <p>Magmortar's greatest strength lies in its ability to deal with both the physical and special walls of UU, thanks to its sky-high base 125 Special Attack and solid base 95 Attack. These are backed by Magmortar's extremely diverse movepool and the 1.3x power boost from Life Orb, turning Magmortar into a mixed attacker who can blast through the strongest walls of UU.</p>


    <p>Fire Blast is Magmortar's main attacking move that can deal deadly damage to almost every Pokemon who doesn't resist it. Thunderbolt is an ideal move on Magmortar, as it OHKOes Moltres and gives Magmortar coverage over bulky Water
    -types. The third slot is chosen based on personal preference. Hidden Power Grass is usually the more reliable option because it allows Magmortar to hit a wider range of Pokemon, including Rhyperior and the Ground-types who would otherwise wall this set. It is also Magmortar's strongest move against Lanturn. Hidden Power Ice is the other alternative; while the only notable Pokemon it hits is Altaria, it still scores super effective hits on Ground-types (however, it doesn't OHKO Rhyperior), making it a good alternative option. The last move, Cross Chop, allows Magmortar to destroy Chansey, who would otherwise wall this set completely. With Stealth Rock in play, the combination of Fire Blast and Cross Chop has a high chance of KOing it. Cross Chop also OHKOes Houndoom, another troublesome Pokemon.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]


    <p>A Speed-boosting nature is chosen for this set, as it allows Magmortar to outspeed Milotic, Feraligatr, and all max Speed
    Pokemon with Base 80 Speed and a positive nature, including Venusaur and Blaziken. The choice of nature depends on what you want Magmortar to take less damage from. A Naive nature allows Magmortar to take less damage from physical priority attacks (such as Fake Out or Mach Punch), while a Hasty nature allows Magmortar to take less from special attacks like Leaf Storm. Life Orb is the item of choice on this set, allowing Magmortar to switch freely between attacks and give it a welcomed power boost. Here are some damage calculations demonstrating the power of this Magmortar:</p>

    <h3>Damage Calculations</h3>

    <ul class="damage_calculations">
    <li>Fire Blast vs. 52 HP / 0 SpD Adamant Donphan - 109.71% - 131.44%</li>
    <li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Bold Weezing - 73.95% - 87.42%</li>
    <li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 216 SpD Careful Registeel - 74.17% - 87.91%</li>
    <li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Bold Claydol - 65.12% - 77.16%</li>
    <li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 116 SpD Careful Spiritomb - 61.51% - 73.02%</li>
    <li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Calm Clefable - 55.58% - 65.48%</li>
    <li>Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Calm Chansey - 26.83% - 31.82%</li>
    <li>Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Bold Slowbro - 79.18% - 93.40%</li>
    <li>Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Bold Milotic - 54.96% - 65.13%</li>
    <li>Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 56 SpD Calm Milotic - 47.20% - 55.83%</li>
    <li>Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Bold Blastoise - 69.06% - 81.76%</li>
    <li>Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Bold Cloyster - 107.23% - 126.31%</li>
    <li>Hidden Power Grass vs. 136 HP / 0 SpD Adamant Rhyperior - 115.55% - 136.29%</li>
    <li>Hidden Power Grass vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Careful Quagsire - 91.37% - 108.62%</li>
    <li>Hidden Power Grass vs. 40 HP / 252 SpD Calm Lanturn - 41.39% - 48.87%</li>
    <li>Cross Chop vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Calm Chansey - 61.15% - 72.07%</li>
    </ul>

    <p>These calculations effectively portray Magmortar's raw power. Any of these Pokemon who switches into Fire Blast is then KOed by one of Magmortar's coverage moves (with the sole exception of Lanturn). For example, if a physically defensive Milotic switches in on Fire Blast, it is then KOed by Thunderbolt (assuming Stealth Rock is up). The calculations also show the importance of Stealth Rock, which allows Magmortar to gain some very important OHKOs and 2HKOs.</p>


    <p>Despite its excellent attacking prowess, this Magmortar generally has a short lifespan. Stealth Rock chips off a whopping 25% of Magmortar's health every time it switches in. This, coupled with recoil damage from Life Orb, can often lead to Magmortar's early demise. Therefore, Rapid Spin support is invaluable to Magmortar, as it allows Magmortar to switch in much more freely in order to fire off its powerful attacks. The two Rapid Spinners who have the greatest synergy with Magmortar are Claydol and Blastoise. Claydol can switch into Ground- and Rock-type attacks aimed at Magmortar, spin away entry hazards, and then proceed to set up Stealth Rock to aid Magmortar. Blastoise also makes a great partner to Magmortar because it can come in on Water- and Fire-type attacks easily; moreover, it has access to Foresight, which allows it to spin on Ghost-types. Wish support from the likes of Leafeon and Chansey is also greatly appreciated by Magmortar, since it can restore health lost due to entry hazards, Life Orb recoil, and other forms of residual damage.</p>


    <p>Magmortar pairs well with Pokemon who either defensively complement it or take advantage of the large holes that Magmortar can punch into the opposing team. Toxicroak makes a great partner to Magmortar, as it can come in on Water-type attacks directed at Magmortar, set up Swords Dance or Nasty Plot, and attempt to sweep. Thanks to its typing and ability, Toxicroak can also come in on numerous priority attacks, such as Aqua Jet or Mach Punch, which greatly threaten Magmortar. Physical variants of Toxicroak often lure in Will-O-Wisp users, such as Spiritomb, whom Magmortar can freely switch into. Due to its ability to eliminate bulky Waters with Thunderbolt, Magmortar can open up opportunities for Pokemon such as Rock Polish Rhyperior to sweep. Rhyperior can also come in on Thunder Wave from defensive Pokemon whom Magmortar cannot OHKO, such as Uxie, and then proceed to set up the following turn.</p>


    [SET]

    name: Special Attacker
    move 1: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
    move 2: Thunderbolt
    move 3: Focus Blast
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
    item: Life Orb / Expert Belt
    nature: Timid / Modest
    evs: 16 HP / 252 SpA / 240 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]


    <p>This set takes advantage of Magmortar's excellent Special Attack and usable Speed. Fire Blast is a powerful STAB attack, though you may use Flamethrower if you prefer perfect accuracy. Thunderbolt allows Magmortar to hit bulky Water-types like Milotic and Flying-types such as Moltres super effectively. Focus Blast lets Magmortar strike Regirock and Houndoom for deadly damage. Hidden Power Ice allows Magmortar to OHKO Altaria, while Hidden Power Grass is used to OHKO Rhyperior and Quagsire. Life Orb is the preferred item,
    although you may choose an Expert Belt if you wish to be free from recoil damage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]


    <p>With a Timid nature and 240 EVs in Speed, Magmortar has the ability to outrun all positive natured base 80 Pokemon, while also beating Offensive Milotic by one point. Max Special Attack is vital, as it grants Magmortar's attacks more power behind them. The remaining EVs are placed into HP, giving Magmortar a small defensive boost, while retaining an odd number that allows it to switch into Stealth Rock five times.</p>


    <p>Being a Fire-type, Magmortar loses a quarter of its health upon switching into Stealth Rock. Support from Rapid Spin is a necessity, as Magmortar will also be losing health from Life Orb recoil, making a sweep much more difficult. Donphan is an excellent user of Rapid Spin as it can switch into physically-based Rock- and Ground-type moves aimed at Magmortar, while hitting Ghost-types with Assurance.</p>


    <p>Without any physical attacks, this set has trouble getting past special walls, primarily Chansey and Clefable. There are numerous ways to deal with this problem. The first way is to use Choice Band Dugtrio, who can trap them with its ability, and 2HKO them with Earthquake. Mixed Blaziken is also an option to deal with special walls, as it can lure them in with specially-based moves and hit them with Superpower. Finally, Taunt Mismagius can shut down most special walls with ease and setup with Nasty Plot. After three boosts from Nasty Plot, Mismagius can 2HKO Chansey with Hidden Power Fighting.</p>


    [SET]

    name: Choice
    move 1: Fire Blast / Overheat
    move 2: Thunderbolt
    move 3: Focus Blast
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
    item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 44 Def / 252 SpA / 216 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]


    <p>This set uses Choice items to either boost Magmortar's Speed or Special Attack to an overwhelming level. Fire Blast and Overheat allow Magmortar to leave large dents on a variety of opponents; Fire Blast is the most reliable choice as it doesn't lower Magmortar's Special Attack after use, which is more suitable for late-game cleaning, but Overheat deals more damage and has better uses earlier on. Flamethrower can be used if you would rather have perfect accuracy over power. Thunderbolt allows Magmortar to damage Water-types like Milotic and Flying-types such as Moltres for super effective damage. Focus Blast is used to blast opponents who resist or are immune to Fire-type moves, such as Regirock and Houndoom. Hidden Power Ice deals huge damage to Altaria, while providing excellent coverage alongside Thunderbolt. Alternatively, Hidden Power Grass can be used to OHKO Quagsire and Rhyperior, who take less damage from any other move listed.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]


    <p>With a Modest nature and a Choice Scarf, Magmortar reaches 384 Speed, outrunning max Speed Swellow and everything below. Using more Speed is unnecessary as Magmortar won't outrun anything notable. Max Special Attack gives Magmortar added power behind its attacks. The remaining EVs are placed into Defense for additional physical bulk. When using Choice Specs, a Timid nature along with an EV spread of 16 HP / 252 SpA / 240 Spe is recommended. This allows Magmortar to outrun maximum Speed Modest Milotic.</p>


    <p>Since Choice Magmortar will have to switch out frequently, removing Stealth Rock from the field via Rapid Spin is a must. Donphan is an excellent choice as it can switch into Rock- and Ground-type moves that Magmortar is weak to and smack most spinblockers hard with Earthquake and Assurance, while also setting up Stealth Rock for Magmortar. Hitmontop is another great Rapid Spinner as it has Foresight to eliminate Ghost-types' immunity to Rapid Spin.</p>


    <p>Like the Special Sweeper set, this set has trouble with Chansey, who can survive even Choice Specs Focus Blast with ease. Physically-based sweepers such as Hitmontop are great teammates as they can eliminate Chansey with their powerful STAB moves. Taunt Mismagius is another option as Chansey is unable to damage it with Seismic Toss. Mismagius can use this time to set up Nasty Plot and 2HKO it with +6 Hidden Power Fighting.</p>


    [SET]

    name: SubPunch
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Focus Punch
    move 3: Fire Blast / Lava Plume
    move 4: Thunderbolt
    item: Expert Belt / Leftovers
    nature: Mild
    evs: 48 Atk / 228 SpA / 232 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]


    <p>Like the first set, this set also attempts to break through your opponent's walls, but this time with a combination of Substitute and Focus Punch. Substitute grants Magmortar safety from crippling status moves, while also giving protection for Focus Punch's charging turn. Focus Punch deals solid damage to any Pokemon who is not hit super effectively by Fire Blast and Thunderbolt. Fire Blast and Lava Plume both provide reliable STAB; the choice depends on whether you prefer higher power in Fire Blast or higher accuracy and burn rate with Lava Plume. Thunderbolt damages bulky Water-types like Milotic, as well as Flying-types like Moltres. The item choice depends on the player's preference; Expert Belt boosts the power of Magmortar's attacks, while Leftovers help regain HP lost from using Substitute.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]


    <p>232 Speed EVs give Magmortar the ability to outrun all neutral base 80 Pokemon, which includes Venusaur and Blaziken. 48 Attack EVs ensure that Magmortar OHKOes Chansey with an Expert Belt boosted Focus Punch after it switches into Stealth Rock. The remaining EVs are placed into Special Attack, giving Magmortar more power behind its specially-based moves.</p>


    <p>Support from Rapid Spin is even more important on this set as Magmortar's HP is already lowered with Substitute, which means that you want to preserve as much HP as possible by preventing residual damage. Claydol is a decent choice for this role as it can switch into Rock- and Ground-type attacks aimed at Magmortar, while providing extra support with dual screens and Stealth Rock of its own. It shares a weakness to Water-type moves, however.</p>


    <p>As Magmortar will be losing a lot of its health due to Substitute and possibly entry hazards, Wish support is an excellent option. Chansey and Clefable are excellent partners for Magmortar as they can cripple the opponent with status, while providing reliable support with Wish. Clefable also has access to Encore to stop set-up sweepers from sweeping.</p>


    [Team Options]


    <p>Rapid Spin support is the biggest thing to consider when using Magmortar, as losing 25% of its health upon switching into Stealth Rock is a burden. Donphan and Hitmontop are both excellent options to provide support. Donphan can use Assurance to hit incoming Mismagius and Rotom who attempt to block Rapid Spin, while Hitmontop can use Foresight, which temporarily removes a Ghost's immunity to Rapid Spin. Entry hazards of your own are helpful as Magmortar forces a lot of switches. Specifically, Toxic Spikes are helpful as they can cripple common Magmortar switch-ins: bulky Water-types and Chansey. Drapion is an excellent choice to set them up due to its great typing and decent defensive stats. Stealth Rock and Spikes are both excellent tools to rack up residual damage as well; Donphan is great at setting up Stealth Rock, and Qwilfish can quickly setup Spikes. Magmortar also appreciates support in the form of Baton Pass; a Speed boost is very welcomed to remedy Magmortar's mediocre Speed stat. Ambipom is a great option as it can shut down opponents with Taunt, and its high Speed allows it to pass boosts without taking too many hits. If you are lucky enough, Ambipom may also be able to pass Special Attack boosts with Nasty Plot, which would raise Magmortar's Special Attack to insane levels and make it a powerful force in UU.</p>


    <p>In general, Magmortar has trouble dealing with Chansey (without Cross Chop), bulky Water
    -types such as Milotic and Lanturn, bulky Rock-types such as Rhyperior and Regirock, and faster foes such as Alakazam and Swellow. Dugtrio is an excellent offensive partner as it can trap most of the aforementioned Pokemon and KO them with STAB Earthquake (though Regirock, Rhyperior, and Milotic need to be severely weakened enough to be KOed). Additionally, it can use Sucker Punch to hit faster opponents, most notably Swellow. Using your own Rhyperior and Hitmontop can make quick work of a majority of these threats with their STAB moves. Specially-based Venusaur is an effective way to deal with bulky Water- and Rock-types with its Grass moves, while also being able to support Magmortar with Leech Seed. Nasty Plot Mismagius is an ideal partner for Magmortar as it can take advantage of the holes made in the opponent's team. For example, without Registeel and Chansey, Mismagius is able to set up and sweep the opponent's weakened team. Magmortar's ability to take out Steel-types gives Pokemon like Swellow and Scyther the opportunity to sweep the opponent's team. Without Registeel and Steelix, there's little left that can withstand boosted Facades from Swellow, or Swords Dance boosted Quick Attacks and Bug Bites from Scyther.</p>

    <p>Bulky Water-types make excellent defensive partners as they can comfortably switch into Ground-, Water-
    , and Rock-type moves aimed at Magmortar, and then cripple the opposition with Toxic. Blastoise gets a special mention as it has access to Rapid Spin, which makes it easier for Magmortar to switch in. Finally, Quagsire provides excellent defensive synergy with Magmortar as it can switch into most physical threats with ease and cripple them with a combination of Yawn and Encore.</p>

    [Optional Changes]


    <p>Magmortar has an amazing movepool filled with man
    y viable options. With Will-O-Wisp, Magmortar can burn physical threats more reliably than by using Lava Plume. Taunt can be used to stop any opponent who attempts to set up on Magmortar or cripple it with status moves. A SunnyBeamer set can be used to some success, but Magmortar's average Speed can make this difficult. Psychic is available to hit Fighting-types like Hitmontop and Blaziken super effectively, though it provides little coverage compared to other moves. Magmortar can utilize a Choice Band set thanks to its decent physical movepool consisting of Cross Chop, Earthquake, Thunderpunch, and Fire Punch, but Blaziken does this better due to its higher Attack and Fighting STAB. Mach Punch may be used for priority, allowing Magmortar to overcome its Speed issue. Belly Drum is a gimmicky option for Magmortar and it can have a huge payoff at the cost of major team support; however, Magmortar is unable to utilize Mach Punch along with Belly Drum due to legality issues, greatly lowering the effectiveness of the set. Using a SubSalac set is also an option, though it's very risky due to the prevalence of Stealth Rock and priority users.</p>

    [Counters]


    <p>Due to its huge Special Attack and threatening movepool, Magmortar is quite difficult to counter. The best way to defeat Magmortar is to figure out what set it's running and predict accordingly. Bulky Water-types such as Lanturn, Milotic, and Azumarill are great initial switch-ins to Magmortar. Lanturn is an excellent counter due to its immunity to Thunderbolt, thanks to Volt Absorb, resistance to Fire-type moves, great overall bulk, and access to STAB Surf to hit Magmortar super effectively. Milotic can switch into Fire Blast, survive the incoming Thunderbolt, and then strike Magmortar back super effectively with STAB Surf. Azumarill can switch into any Fire-type moves and hit Magmortar with Aqua Jet before it gets a chance to attack. With
    Sandstorm support, Regirock is a decent counter as it takes little damage from Magmortar's special attacks due to its boosted Special Defense, and can smash Magmortar with STAB Rock-typed attacks.</p>

    <p>Altaria makes a great counter to Magmortar without Hidden Power Ice courtesy of its great defensive stats, resistances to Fighting- and Fire-type moves, neutrality to Thunderbolt, and access to Earthquake. Chansey can take on any set without physical attacks thanks to its high special bulk. It can cripple Magmortar with Thunder Wave and weaken it with Seismic Toss, but it must beware of taking too many hits from Focus Blast. Hariyama is a solid counter as it takes reduced damage from Magmortar's STAB Fire-type moves thanks to Thick Fat, and its high HP and decent defenses make it hard to take down with any other move. Hariyama can then proceed to destroy Magmortar with Stone Edge.</p>
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    [Overview]

    <p>Magmortar has excellent offensive stats and a decent movepool to match. However, it's cursed with being a Fire-type, losing 25% of its health to Stealth Rock upon switching in. Magmortar's Speed is also very average, leaving it vulnerable to faster sweepers, provided that they can switch in safely. What sets Magmortar apart from other Fire-types like Blaziken and Typhlosion is having access to Thunderbolt, giving it an easier time with bulky Water-types like Slowbro.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice
    move 1: Fire Blast / Overheat
    move 2: Thunderbolt
    move 3: Focus Blast
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
    item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 40 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 216 Spe

    [Set Comments]

    <p>This set uses Choice items to boost Magmortar's Speed or Special Attack. Fire Blast and Overheat are used as STAB, allowing Magmortar to hit opponents like Venusaur super effectively; Fire Blast is the most reliable as it doesn't lower Magmortar's Special Attack after use. Flamethrower can be used if you would rather have perfect accuracy over power. Thunderbolt allows Magmortar to damage Water-types like Milotic and Flying-types like Moltres for super effective damage. Focus Blast is used to damage opponents who resist or are immune to Fire-type moves, like Regirock and Houndoom. Hidden Power Ice deals huge damage to Altaria, while providing excellent coverage alongside Thunderbolt. Hidden Power Grass is used to OHKO Quagsire and Rhyperior, who takes less damage from any other move listed.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>With a Modest nature with a Choice Scarf Magmortar reaches 384 Speed, which lets it outrun max Speed Swellow and everything below. Using more Speed is uneccessary as you won't outrun anything notable. Max Special Attack gives Magmortar power behind its attacks. 40 HP EVs give 301 HP, allowing you to switch into Stealth Rock four times without fainting. The remaining EVs are placed into Defense. When using Choice Specs, a Timid nature along with an EV spread of 24 HP / 252 SpA / 232 Spe is recommended. This allows Magmortar to outrun all positive base 80 Speed Pokemon like Venusaur and Blaziken.</p>

    <p>Being a Fire-type, Magmortar has a weakness to Stealth Rock, losing a quarter of its health upon switching in. A Pokemon with Rapid Spin is recommended when using Magmortar as this set will be switching more than usual. Donphan is an excellent choice as it can switch into Rock- and Ground-type moves that Magmortar is weak to, while it removes Stealth Rock and sets up its own.</p>

    <p>Lacking any physical move, this set has trouble with Chansey, who can survive even Choice Specs Focus Blast with ease. There are many ways to deal with Chansey, the first being a powerful physically-based sweeper like Hitmontop, who can hit Chansey with its powerful STAB moves. Taunt Mismagius is another option as Chansey is unable to damage it with Seismic Toss, while specially-based moves will do little damage. Mismagius can use this time to set up Nasty Plot and 2HKO her with +6 Hidden Power Fighting.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Mixed Sweeper
    move 1: Cross Chop
    move 2: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
    move 3: Thunderbolt
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Earthquake / Hidden Power Grass
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Mild
    evs: 24 Atk / 252 SpA / 232 Spe

    [Set Comments]

    <p>Cross Chop is used on this set as it allows Magmortar to 2HKO Chansey, who otherwise walls it. Fire Blast is used as reliable STAB, also hitting Venusaur and Registeel super effectively, though Flamethrower can be used if you prefer the higher accuracy and more PP. Thunderbolt allows you to hit bulky Water-types like Slowbro and Milotic, and it also hits Moltres super effectively. Hidden Power Ice deals more damage to Altaria than any other move, Earthquake allows Magmortar to hit grounded Fire-types like Houndoom who switch into its Fire attacks expecting a Flash Fire boost, and Hidden Power Grass will OHKO Quagsire.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>Max Special Attack gives Magmortar power behind its specially-based attacks. 232 Speed EVs allow Magmortar to outspeed all neutral base 80 Speed Pokemon like Venusaur and Blaziken. The remaining EVs are placed into Attack alongside a Mild nature, giving Cross Chop and Earthquake more power.</p>

    <p>Support from Rapid Spin is always recommended when using Magmortar as it loses a quarter of its health upon switching in. Hitmontop provides reliable support while its decent STAB moves will dent the opponent. It also has access to Foresight, temporarily removing a Ghost-type's immunity to Rapid Spin.</p>

    [SET]
    name: SubPunch
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Focus Punch
    move 3: Fire Blast / Lava Plume
    move 4: Thunderbolt
    item: Expert Belt / Leftovers
    nature: Mild
    evs: 48 Atk / 228 SpA / 232 Spe

    [Set Comments]

    <p>This set also attempts to break through your opponent's walls, this time with a combination of Substitute and Focus Punch. Substitute grants Magmortar safety from crippling status moves, also giving protection for Focus Punch's charging turn. Focus Punch is used to hit Chansey super effectively, scoring an OHKO after she takes damage from Stealth Rock. Fire Blast and Lava Plume both provide reliable STAB; the choice depends whether you prefer higher power in Fire Blast or higher accuracy and burn rate with Lava Plume. Thunderbolt damages bulky Water-types like Milotic, as well as Flying-types like Moltres. The item choice depends on the user; Expert Belt boosts the power of Magmortar's attacks, while Leftovers help regain HP lost from Substitute.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>232 Speed EVs give Magmortar the ability to outrun all neutral base 80 Pokemon, which includes Venusaur and Blaziken. 48 Attack EVs ensure that Magmortar OHKOes Chansey after she switches into Stealth Rock; this requires that you hold an Expert Belt, however. The remaining EVs are placed into Special Attack, giving Magmortar power behind its specially-based moves.</p>

    <p>Support from Rapid Spin is even more important on this set as you already lower Magmortar's HP with Substitute, which means that you want to preserve as much HP as possible by preventing [less awkward imo] residual damage. Claydol is a decent choice for this role as it can switch into Rock- and Ground-type attacks aimed at Magmortar, while it provides extra support with screens and Stealth Rock of its own. It shares a weakness to Water-type moves, however.</p>

    <p>As Magmortar will be losing a lot of its health due to Substitute and possible entry hazards, Wish support is an excellent option. Umbreon is an excellent partner for Magmortar as it can trap opponents with Mean Look, while providing reliable support with Wish.</p>

    [SET]
    name: SubSalac
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
    move 3: Thunderbolt
    move 4: Focus Blast / Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
    item: Salac Berry
    nature: Modest
    evs: 20 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 232 Spe

    [Set Comments]

    <p>Using Substitute along with a Salac Berry helps Magmortar overcome its mediocre Speed stat. Substitute is used to lower Magmortar's HP into Berry activation range, while it also gives protection from crippling status moves. Fire Blast and Flamethrower act as reliable STAB; Fire Blast if you prefer higher power, and Flamethrower if you would rather have 100% accuracy. Thunderbolt allows Magmortar to hit bulky Water-types like Milotic and Slowbro, and it also hits Flying-types like Moltres super effectively. The final slot is down to personal preference: Focus Blast deals more damage to opponents like Regirock, Hidden Power Ice hits Altaria super effectively, and Hidden Power Grass allows you to hit Quagsire and Rhyperior as well.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>The Speed EVs on this set ensure that Magmortar outruns the majority of UU after a boost from its Salac Berry, reaching a stat of 390, outrunning even Jolly Swellow. 232 EVs also ensure that Magmortar is faster than all neutral base 80 Pokemon before its Salac boost. Max Special Attack is vital to give Magmortar's attacks as much power as possible. 20 EVs in HP allow Magmortar to activate its Salac Berry after three Substitutes. The remaining EVs are placed into Defense.</p>

    <p>When using this set, it is advised to set up against a slower opponent, as you are able to Substitute before they have the chance to attack or status you. Paralysis support is always helpful to cripple faster opponents and aid Magmortar's sweep. Slowbro is an excellent option as it can switch into physically-based Rock- and Ground-type moves with ease and hit opponents with Thunder Wave. Slowbro also has access to STAB Surf, which lets it hit opponents like Rhyperior who are immune to Thunder Wave.</p>

    <p>Being completely specially-based, this set has trouble getting past walls like Chansey and Clefable. A Choice Banded Dugtrio is an excellent partner for this set as it can trap both of these and 2HKO them with STAB Earthquake. Dugtio is also helpful as it can trap opponents faster than Magmortar, like Raikou and Drapion, and hit them super effectively. It also has access to Sucker Punch, which allows it to hit Alakazam and Swellow with priority.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>Rapid Spin support is the biggest thing to consider when using Magmortar as losing 25% of its health upon switching into Stealth Rock is a burden [spelling error ;P]. Donphan and Hitmontop are both excellent options to provide support. Donphan can use Assurance to hit oncoming Mismagius and Rotom who attempt to block Rapid Spin, while Hitmontop can use Foresight, which temporarily removes a Ghost's immunity to Rapid Spin.</p>

    <p>Entry hazards of your own are helpful as Magmortar forces a lot of switches. Toxic Spikes are helpful as they cripple common switch-ins: bulky Water-types and Chansey. Drapion is an excellent choice due to its great typing and decent defensive stats. Stealth Rock and Spikes are both excellent to rack up residual damage, Donphan being great at setting up Stealth Rock, and Froslass being the most reliable user of Spikes in UU.</p>

    <p>Magmortar appreciates support in the form of Baton Pass; a Speed boost is very welcomed. Ambipom is a great option as it can shut down opponents with Taunt, and its high Speed allows it to pass boosts without taking too many hits. If you are lucky, Ambipom is also good at passing Special Attack boosts with Nasty Plot, which would raise Magmortar's Special Attack to insane levels and make it a powerful force in UU.</p>

    <p>A way to deal with Chansey and Clefable is vital on all sets without a physically-based attack. There are a few ways to deal with these threats, the first being a Choice Banded Dugdrio who can trap Chansey and Clefable and threaten a 2HKO with Earthquake. Powerful physical sweepers like Rhyperior and Hitmontop make quick work of special walls with their STAB moves. Finally, a Mismagius with Taunt can shut down Chansey as it is immune to Seismic Toss and Taunt will stop any attemp to status Mismagius. It can then set up Nasty Plot and 2HKO Chansey with a +6 Hidden Power Fighting.</p>

    <p>Bulky Water-types make excellent defensive partners as they can switch into Ground-, Water- and Rock-type moves aimed at Magmortar, while they can cripple troublesome walls with Toxic. Blastoise gets a special mention as it has access to Rapid Spin, which makes it much easier for Magmortar to switch in. Umbreon is another great option as it can trap opponents with Mean Look while supporting Magmortar with Wish. Finally, Quagsire provides excellent defensive synergy with Magmortar as it can switch into most physical threats with ease and cripple them with a combination of Yawn and Encore.</p>

    <p>Dugtrio is an excellent offensive partner as it can trap opponents who cause Magmortar problems like Lanturn, Regirock, and Rhyperior, and hit them with STAB Earthquake. Dugtrio also has access to Sucker Punch to hit faster opponents like Alakazam and Swellow. A specially-based Venusaur is an effective way to deal with bulky Water-types like Milotic with its STAB moves, while also being able to support Magmortar with Leech Seed.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>Magmortar has many viable options available to it, the first being Will-O-Wisp, allowing Magmortar to burn a physical threat switching in and being more reliable than Lava Plume's burn rate. Taunt can be used to cripple any opponent who attempts to set up or cripple Magmortar with status moves. A SunnyBeamer set can be used to some success, but [improper use of "however"] its average Speed can make this difficult. Psychic is available to hit Fighting-types like Hitmontop and Blaziken super effectively, but is provides little coverage compared to other moves. Magmortar has a decent physical movepool consisting of Cross Chop, Earthquake, Thunderpunch, and Fire Punch which may warrant a Choice Band set, but Blaziken does this better due to higher Attack and STAB Fighting-type moves. Mach Punch may be used for priority, allowing Magmortar to overcome its Speed issue. Belly Drum is a gimmicky option for Magmortar, which requires major team support. This is without common priority users like Arcanine, Azumarill and Hitmontop.</p>

    <p>If you wish to use a faster spread with Magmortar, you may use a Naive or Timid nature along with 232 Speed EVs. This allows Magmortar to outrun positive nature base 80 Speed Pokemon like Blaziken, and also neutral nature base 90 Pokemon like Moltres. The drop in offensive power isn't preferable though. Any set running a neutral nature may also choose to run 240 EVs in Speed to outrun the rare max Speed neutral Milotic.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Due to its diverse movepool and high offensive stats, Magmortar is a difficult Pokemon to counter. However, a select few Pokemon work great. Lanturn is an excellent counter as it can switch into Thunderbolt with an immunity and has a resistance to Fire-type moves. Access to STAB Surf is a big plus as it can hit Magmortar super effectively, while Thunder Wave can be used to cripple SubSalac versions. Milotic is also reliable as it can switch into Fire Blast and survive a Thunderbolt from Magmortar, while it can hit it super effectively with STAB Surf. Azumarill can switch into any Fire-type moves and hit Magmortar with Aqua Jet before it gets the chance to attack, hitting its weaker Defense stat.</p>

    <p>Rhyperior is a decent option as it can switch into Thunderbolt with an immunity and takes less damage from Fire-type attacks due to its Rock / Ground-typing. Solid Rock means that Rhyperior also takes reduced damage from Fighting-type attacks. Rhyperior can hit Magmortar super effectively with its STAB moves and take it out with little trouble. Regirock works in a similar way to Rhyperior, while it doesn't have a nasty 4x weakness to Hidden Power Grass.</p>

    <p>Altaria is another option as Magmortar's STAB Fire-type moves do little damage to Altaria due to its decent defensive stats. Altaria doesn't fear Magmortar's Fighting-type attacks, and Thunderbolt has little chance to 2HKO without Choice Specs and Stealth Rock layed down. Altaria can set up Dragon Dance or hit Magmortar with Earthquake. Hidden Power Ice will OHKO Altaria if Magmortar carries it, however.</p>

    <p>Chansey and Clefable can take on any set without physical attacks thanks to their high Special Defense and decent HP. Both of them can cripple Magmortar with Thunder Wave and weaken it with Seismic Toss. Too many hits from Focus Blast will cause problems, however.</p>

    <p>As Magmortar has subpar Speed (without the use of a Choice Scarf or Salac Berry), Pokemon faster than it will cause problems, especially those with physically-based attacks as Magmortar has lower Defense. These Pokemon include Dugtrio and Swellow.</p>

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    Overall very good, the major thing i caught was a few punctuation errors here and there
  4. Darkmalice

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    When using a Timid nature, instead of running 232 Spe EVs, you should use 240. This allows you to outrun max speed Milotic aka. offensive Milotic. This will also mean it will have 16 HP EVs, putting it at 295 HP. 4 more HP EVs = more SR damage.
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    I don't think Earthquake has much merit in UU (however it does it NU because of Flareon, but this is a UU analysis). It hits Houndoom and Ninetales, and Houndoom is easily taken care of by a super effective Cross Chop. Ninetales is barely UU.

    Hidden Power Grass is an ok slash, but again when weighting Altaria vs Quagsire. However, when you consider that you need HP Grass to OHKO Rhyperior, it seems like the better option all of the sudden.

    tl;dr - remove Earthquake, keep HP Grass but mention, well, emphasize that it's for OHKOing Rhyperior and not mainly for Quagsire.

    As for the actual set comments, I think they are lacknig a bit. There is really a lot to say about a wall-breaker such as Magmortar. For example, you should explain how Magmortar removes specific threats for special attackers like Alakazam or Raikou. It destroys Registeel and Steelix for Pokemon like Swellow and Scyther. Scyther is a great teammate as well for being able to trap CB Trio.

    I just thought this was important for the mixed set because it is arguably Magmortar's best set, yet it had the smallest write-up.
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    How come there's no standard special sweeper set for Magmortar? Magmortar has huge Special Attack and a wicked special movepool, so it can really take advantage of that through using Life Orb or Expert Belt. It's not too hard to resist one of Magmortar's attacks when it's locked into Fire Blast or Thunderbolt or something, so the freedom this set has makes Magmortar another kind of threat the opponent must deal with. The set could probably look like this:

    [SET]
    name: Special Sweeper
    move 1: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
    move 2: Thunderbolt
    move 3: Focus Blast
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
    item: Life Orb / Expert Belt
    nature: Timid / Modest
    evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    I'm pretty sure this should be included. It's another one of Magmortar's best, powerful sets.

    @Heysup: Hidden Power Grass also helps against Lanturn, who can be a bit troublesome to Mixed Sweeper Magmortar.
  7. Komodo

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    I didn't finish this, I should have said at the top. I am aware that the mixed set and team opions are lacking and I'll work on it tomorrow. I'll add the pure special sweeper that Fuzznip suggested and make Heysup's changes too :)
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    You really like Fire Types huh September ^_^.

    I disagree with ordering of the sets. Mixed Magmortar is by far it's strongest set (a better wall break than even Blaziken in my opinion)

    In this metagame, Milotic is everywhere, and switching it is a nono when locked into Fire blast. Entry hazards and a Stealth Rock weakness spell the end of Magmortar. Switching your moves are quite important for Magmortar.

    For example:
    A mild LO boosted T-bolt will 2HKO ALL variants of Milotic. Magmortar can also beat Chansey as a 4 Atk Cross Chop 2HKO's a 100% of the time.

    I know all about prediction but oftentimes your opponent has defensive core, and have ways to deal with a Choice Scarfed T-bolt. (It's also not strong enough)


    That's my opinion anyways...
  9. Komodo

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    Okay, can I ask for some more checks on this? I added the special sweeper set, emphasized that Hidden Power Grass hits Rhyperior, removed Earthquake from the Mixed set, and expanded the set comments and team options sections.
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    I'm really really questioning the viability of the SubSalac set. Sub + Berry sets generally don't work unless the Pokémon is resistant to a variety of priority moves.. which Magmortar isn't. Weakness to extremely common Aqua Jets and the inability to take Fake Out and Mach Punch due to Magmortar's low Defense cut its sweeping-ability dramatically.

    Logs or whatever should definitely be provided for this set.
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    Good job September on the Magmortar write up but I've got a few suggestions:

    I wouldn't really consider Milotic to be a *reliable* counter because T-bolt does an astounding: 60.6% - 71.2% to the standard Bulky water set.

    Assuming Magmortar switches in Stealth Rock Free, he can actually BEAT Milotic one on one. as Surf from Milotic only manages: 74.2% - 87.3% (Assuming Magmortar uses Expert Belt so it doesn't die to LO)

    Azumarill itself takes: 86.3% - 101.7% from T-bolt. Almost a definitive OHKO with Stealth Rock.

    also

    Magmortar's Fire Blast deals 54.1% - 63.7% on the Standard Rhyperior (that's WITH hp EV's) and even more without them. A clear 2HKO on Rhyperior switching, not to mention HP Ice/Grass neuter Rhyperior. (HP ice=63.2% - 74.8% to the standard set)

    It can ONLY switch in on T-bolt, which is very dangerous for it to do (unless it's early game where Magmortar wants to scout ahead) and it's scarfed.

    Standard encore Clefable takes 61.7% - 72.6% from Fire Blast. Even the most specially*bulky* Clefable (the wishful stalling set) takes 55.1% - 65% from Fire Blast. An extremely good chance at getting 2HKO.

    Just a small nitpick, Magmortar speed isn't *subpar* it's actually pretty good. Resting a good base 83 speed. Being able to outspeed Blaziken, offensive Venusaur and offensive Milotic is pretty good.

    So yeah, just a few nitpicks here and there. If it's possible, I'd like you to stress the dangers of switching into Magmortar willy nilly, because it may just cost you your Magmortar counter.
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    Stellar - I'll *try* and get some logs for that set but I have real problems when using shoddy on this computer so I'll see what I can do.

    PK Gaming - what you are saying is to remove most of Magmortar's counters. I was mentioning the POSSIBLE Pokemon that may cause problems since Magmortar can hurt pretty much everything. And the "subpar" thing I meant that the best way to beat Magmortar is to outspeed it. I'll give this a proper read through later after I get home from dinner :P

    EDIT - PK Gaming, it isn't cool when you edit your posts :(
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    Makes sense. If you could, stressing the dangers of switching in would be good.
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    Okay. I took out the Rhyperior and Clefable thing and replaced it with a paragraph:

    "<p>Due to Magmortar's huge Special Attack and decent movepool, switching into it can be risky as Magmortar can 2HKO almost every Pokemon in UU. The best way to defeat Magmortar is to figure out what set it's running and predict accordingly. Another way to beat Magmortar is to outspeed it and hit it super effectively. Rock Polish Rhyperior or Torterra are great examples if you predict well.</p>"

    I also changed the Milotic sentence to say "Milotic can switch into Fire Blast", not suggesting that it's a reliable first move. And...If somebody could help test the SubSalac set it would be a HUGE favour for me cause I have problems with Shoddy and little time on my hands.
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    rock polish torterra and rhyperior aren't counters to magmortar nor are they ways to beat it. yeah, once they're set up they can ohko, but you don't put one of them with the mindset of "gonna rp then kill their magmortar ok".

    i'd say better examples of faster pokemon that can beat it are aqua jet azumarill and kabutops, drapion, arcanine, houndoom, toxicroak, and raikou.
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    Ehehe true...my mind was blank at the time so I just thought super effective ^^'
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    Great job at the changes Komodo. Err I still see errors (erm sorry being nitpicky)

    Remember Rhyperior doesn't really do squat to Magmortar with our without HP grass. (2HKOed by Fire Blast) and HP Ice will finish it off anyway. (so yeah you've got to remove it)

    Erm Clefable is 2HKO by Fire Blast. (so yeah you can remove it)

    Other than that it looks awesome and I hope it gets uploaded!
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    Thanks man. My life has been taking over a lot more so Smogon time is down :( though I still need proof of the SubSalac sets effectiveness.
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    Oh. I'll give it a go and report my findings. (It LOOKS okay for a subsalac set)
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    I hope I'm allowed to bring this back from the dead, I'd just like something to be done with it, and it clutters the forum it if lies here. So please could QC guys check this out, this was posted before it came into effect.

    Ich777ich - right you are.
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    Hey Komodo I thought I was going to do the analysis for the mixed sweeper set. You can add it to the whole overview of Magmortar though.
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    Special Sweeper: I want to know the merits of this over the mixed set. Mixed beats Chansey with Cross Chop; is the only advantage of going purely special hitting Regirock?

    Choice: Probably fine.

    SubPunch: Life Orb is normally counterproductive with Substitute, especially with a Stealth Rock, but it might be worth a mention.

    SubSalac: I don't believe the SubSalac set is worthy of a mention. Too much priority and lack of power when compared with the other sets.

    Tentative thoughts - will test.
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    late post but using Priority to revenge kill magmortar can be risky since flame body could trigger and render the attacker crippled for the rest of the match i've lost some matchs because of a untimely flame body triggering thus burning what would be a check for other threats.
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    OK, I would say that this should be ready for the queue as well, but I have some serious doubts concerning the SubSalac set... Maybe throw that set through QC?

    Edit: Also, major bumpity bump

    Edit 2: Also the Mixed Wallbreaker set should be added to this, which can be found here.

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