Magmortar (Update)

Komodo

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OK, I would say that this should be ready for the queue as well, but I have some serious doubts concerning the SubSalac set... Maybe throw that set through QC?

Edit: Also, major bumpity bump

Edit 2: Also the Mixed Wallbreaker set should be added to this, which can be found here.
I know the SubSalac set is kind of silly and I believe the mixed set was going to be uploaded seperately as it's done by a different author :) would it pass QC if the SubSalac was moved to Optional Changes?
 

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I wouldn't doubt it. And for simplicities sake, I would just c/p the Wallbreaker set onto your OP, and make a note that the author was Ichblahblah.

Edit: Also, is there anyway you could smash the Team Options section into 2 or 3 paragraphs from... 6? 7? Too many.
 

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Okay, this analysis was slowly outdating but I think things are better now, changes made:

-Mixed set added
-SubSalac moved to Optional Changes
-Merged some Team Option paragraphs to make it more appealing and less cluttered.
 

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Very nice, I would only suggest doing the same thing for the Counters section as you did for the Team Options section. I would just make it 2 paragraphs instead of 5.
 

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Hey can I get some GP people on this? Dont want to lose it in UU again :'( This has been around since APRIL! :o
 

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[Overview]

<p>Magmortar has With excellent offensive stats and a decent movepool, (comma) Magmortar can be a huge threat in UU. to match. However, it's cursed with being a Fire-type, losing 25% of its health to Stealth Rock upon switching in. Magmortar's Speed is also very only average, leaving it vulnerable to faster sweepers, provided that they can switch in safely. What sets Magmortar apart from other Fire-types like Blaziken and Typhlosion is having its access to Thunderbolt, giving which gives it an easier time with bulky Water-types like Slowbro. (Concluding sentence of some sort would be cool here.)</p>

[SET]
name: UU Mixed Attacker Wallbreaker
move 1: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Cross Chop
item: Life Orb
nature: Naive / Hasty
evs: 16 Atk / 252 SpA / 240 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Magmortar's greatest strength lies in his its ability to deal with both the physical and special walls of UU, thanks to his its sky-high base 125 Special Attack and solid base 95 Attack. These are backed by Magmortar's extremely diverse movepool and the 1.3x power boost from Life Orb, turning Magmortar into a mixed sweeper attacker who can blast through the strongest walls of UU.</p>

<p>Fire Blast is Magmortar's main attacking move and OHKOes or 2HKOes that can deal deadly damage to almost every Pokemon who doesn't resist it. Thunderbolt is an ideal move on Magmortar, as it OHKOes Moltres and gives Magmortar an excellent tool with which to hurt coverage over bulky Waters. The third slot is chosen based on personal preference. Hidden Power Grass is usually the more reliable option because it allows Magmortar to hit a wider range of Pokemon, including Rhyperior and the Water- / Ground-types who would otherwise wall this set. It also is also Magmortar's strongest move against Lanturn. Hidden Power Ice is the other alternative; while the only notable Pokemon hit by it is Altaria, it still scores super effective hits on Ground-types (however, it doesn't OHKO Rhyperior), making it a good alternate alternative option. The last move, Cross Chop, allows Magmortar to destroy the one special wall who would otherwise wall this set completely: Chansey, (comma) who would otherwise wall this set completely. With Stealth Rock in play, the combination of Fire Blast and Cross Chop has a high chance of KOing her it. Cross Chop also OHKOes Houndoom, another troublesome Pokemon. who would otherwise be able to come in on Fire Blast, obtain a Flash Fire boost, and set up. (If Maggy Fire Blasts, I still don't see how Doom is setting up if Maggy just Cross Chops next turn.)</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>A Speed-boosting nature is chosen for this set, as it allows Magmortar to outspeed Milotic, Feraligatr, and all max Speed positive nature base 80s, including Venusaur and Blaziken. This means Magmortar can function not only as a wallbreaker, but also as a sweeper, because his unique base 83 Speed stat allows him to outspeed a wide range of Pokemon. The choice of nature depends on what you want Magmortar to take less damage from. A Naive nature allows Magmortar to take less damage from physical priority attacks (such as Fake Out or Mach Punch), while a Hasty nature allows Magmortar to take less from special attacks like Leaf Storm. Life Orb is the item of choice on this set, allowing Magmortar to switch freely between attacks and giving him give it a welcomed power boost. Here are some damage calculations demonstrating the power of this Magmortar:</p>

<h3>Damage Calculations</h3>
<ul class="damage_calculations">
<li>Fire Blast vs. 52 HP / 0 SpD Adamant Donphan - 109.71% - 131.44%</li>
<li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Bold Weezing - 73.95% - 87.42%</li>
<li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 216 SpD Careful Registeel - 74.17% - 87.91%</li>
<li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Bold Claydol - 65.12% - 77.16%</li>
<li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 116 SpD Careful Spiritomb - 61.51% - 73.02%</li>
<li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Calm Clefable - 55.58% - 65.48%</li>
<li>Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Calm Chansey - 26.83% - 31.82%</li>
<li>Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Bold Slowbro - 79.18% - 93.40%</li>
<li>Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Bold Milotic - 54.96% - 65.13%</li>
<li>Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 56 SpD Calm Milotic - 47.20% - 55.83%</li>
<li>Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Bold Blastoise - 69.06% - 81.76%</li>
<li>Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Bold Cloyster - 107.23% - 126.31%</li>
<li>Hidden Power Grass vs. 136 HP / 0 SpD Adamant Rhyperior - 115.55% - 136.29%</li>
<li>Hidden Power Grass vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Careful Quagsire - 91.37% - 108.62%</li>
<li>Hidden Power Grass vs. 40 HP / 252 SpD Calm Lanturn - 41.39% - 48.87%</li>
<li>Cross Chop vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Calm Chansey - 61.15% - 72.07%</li>
</ul>

<p>These calculations effectively portray Magmortar's raw power. Any of these Pokemon who switches into Fire Blast is then KOed by one of Magmortar's coverage moves (with the sole exception of Lanturn). For example, (comma) if a physically defensive Milotic switches in on Fire Blast, she it is then KOed by Thunderbolt (assuming Stealth Rock is up). The calculations also show the importance of Stealth Rock, which allows Magmortar to gain some very important OHKOs and 2HKOs.</p>

<p>Despite his its excellent attacking prowess, this variant of Magmortar generally has a short lifespan. Stealth Rock chips off a whopping 25% of Magmortar's health every time he it switches in. This, coupled with recoil damage from Life Orb, can often lead to Magmortar's early demise. Therefore, Rapid Spin support is invaluable to Magmortar, allowing him as it allows Magmortar to switch in much more freely in order to fire off his its powerful attacks. The two Rapid Spinners who have the greatest synergy with Magmortar are Claydol and Blastoise. Claydol can switch into Ground- and Rock-type attacks aimed at Magmortar, spin away entry hazards, and then proceed to set up Stealth Rock to aid Magmortar. Blastoise also makes a great partner to Magmortar because it can come in on Water- and Fire-type attacks easily; moreover, it has access to Foresight, which allows it to spin on Ghost-types. Wish support from the likes of Leafeon and Chansey is also greatly appreciated by Magmortar, restoring since it can restore health lost due to entry hazards, Life Orb recoil, and other forms of residual damage.</p>

<p>Magmortar pairs well with Pokemon who either defensively complement him it or take advantage of the large holes that Magmortar can punch into the opposing team. Toxicroak makes a great partner to Magmortar, as he it can come in on Water-type attacks directed at Magmortar, set up Swords Dance or Nasty Plot, and attempt to sweep. Thanks to his its typing and ability, Toxicroak can also come in on numerous priority attacks, such as Aqua Jet or Mach Punch, which greatly threaten Magmortar. Physical variants of Toxicroak often lure in Will-O-Wisp users, such as Spiritomb, whom Magmortar can freely switch into. Due to his its ability to eliminate bulky Waters with Thunderbolt, Magmortar can open up opportunities for Pokemon such as Rock Polish Rhyperior to sweep. Rhyperior can also come in on Thunder Wave from defensive Pokemon whom Magmortar cannot OHKO, such as Uxie, and then proceed to set up the following turn. As mentioned in the previous paragraph, Rapid Spin support greatly aids Magmortar by getting rid of entry hazards, which hinder his survivability. The two Rapid Spinners who have the greatest synergy with Magmortar are Claydol and Blastoise. Claydol can switch into Ground-type attacks aimed at Magmortar, spin away entry hazards, and then proceed to set up entry hazards of its own. Blastoise also makes a great partner to Magmortar because he can come in on Water attacks as well as Arcanine, who threatens Magmortar with his powerful priority attack, ExtremeSpeed. (Just mention them there.)</p>

[SET]
name: Special Attacker Sweeper
move 1: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
item: Life Orb / Expert Belt
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 16 HP / 252 SpA / 240 Spe

[Set Comments]

<p>This set takes advantage of Magmortar's excellent Special Attack and usable Speed. Fire Blast is a powerful reliable STAB attack, though you may use Flamethrower if you prefer perfect accuracy. Thunderbolt allows Magmortar to hit bulky Water-types like Milotic and Flying-types like Moltres super effectively. Focus Blast allows lets Magmortar to hit strike Regirock and Houndoom for deadly damage super effectively. Hidden Power Ice allows Magmortar to OHKO Altaria, while Hidden Power Grass is used to hit OHKO Rhyperior and Quagsire. Life Orb is the preferred item, though one you may choose an Expert Belt if they you wish to be free from recoil damage.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>With a Timid nature and 240 EVs in Speed, Magmortar has the ability to outrun all positive natured base 80 Pokemon, while it also beating Offensive Milotic by one point. Max Special Attack is vital, giving its as it grants Magmortar's attacks more power behind them. The remaining EVs are placed into HP, giving Magmortar a small defensive boost, while retaining an odd number that allows it to switch into Stealth Rock four five times.</p>

<p>Being a Fire-type, Magmortar loses a quarter of its health upon switching into Stealth Rock. Support from Rapid Spin is a necessity as Magmortar will also be losing health with Life Orb recoil, making a sweep much more difficult. Donphan is an excellent user of Rapid Spin as it can switch into physically-based Rock- and Ground-type moves aimed at Magmortar, while it can hit hitting Ghost-types with Assurance.</p>

<p>Without any physical attacks, this set has trouble getting past special walls like Chansey. There are numerous ways to deal with this problem. (period) The first being a way is to use Choice Band Dugtrio, (comma) who can trap opponents Chansey with its ability, (comma) while it 2HKOes her and 2HKO it with Earthquake. A Mixed Blaziken is also an option to deal with special walls, as it can lure them in with specially-based moves and hit them with Superpower. Finally, Taunt Mismagius will can shut down most special walls with ease and setup with Nasty Plot. any attempt to cripple you with status, while it is immune to Seismic Toss. After three boosts from Nasty Plot, Mismagius can 2HKO Chansey with Hidden Power Fighting.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice
move 1: Fire Blast / Overheat
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
nature: Modest / Timid
evs: 40 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 216 Spe

[Set Comments]

<p>This set uses Choice items to either boost Magmortar's Speed or Special Attack to an overwhelming level. Fire Blast and Overheat are used as STAB, allowing allow Magmortar to hit leave large dents on a variety of opponents; Fire Blast is the most reliable choice as it doesn't lower Magmortar's Special Attack after use, which is more suitable for late-game cleaning, but Overheat deals more damage and has better uses earlier on. like Venusaur super effectively; Fire Blast is the most reliable as it doesn't lower Magmortar's Special Attack after use. Flamethrower can be used if you would rather have perfect accuracy over power. Thunderbolt allows Magmortar to damage Water-types like Milotic and Flying-types like Moltres for super effective damage. Focus Blast is used to damage blast opponents who resist or are immune to Fire-type moves, like Regirock and Houndoom. Hidden Power Ice deals huge damage to Altaria, while providing excellent coverage alongside Thunderbolt. Alternatively, (comma) Hidden Power Grass can be used is used to OHKO Quagsire and Rhyperior, who takes less damage from any other move listed.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>With a Modest nature with and a Choice Scarf, (comma) Magmortar reaches 384 Speed, which lets it outrunning max Speed Swellow and everything below. Using more Speed is unnecessary as you Magmortar won't outrun anything notable. Max Special Attack gives Magmortar added power behind its attacks. 40 HP EVs give 301 HP, allowing you Magmortar to switch into Stealth Rock four times without fainting. (0 HP EVs do this too... do 40 HP EVs really do anything special in calculations? Might just shove them to Defense to make the spread neater if not.) The remaining EVs are placed into Defense for additional physical bulk. When using Choice Specs, a Timid nature along with an EV spread of 16 HP / 252 SpA / 240 Spe is recommended. This allows Magmortar to outrun maximum Speed neutral Modest Milotic (Mostly because I can't picture someone using max Speed Bold/Calm Milotic... but Modest max Speed Milotic is also rare.).</p>

<p>Being a Fire-type, (remove comma) Since Choice Magmortar will have to switch out frequently, removing Stealth Rock from the field via Rapid Spin is a must. has a weakness to Stealth Rock, losing a quarter of its health upon switching in. A Pokemon with Rapid Spin is recommended when using Magmortar as this set will be switching more than usual. Donphan is an excellent choice as it can switch into Rock- and Ground-type moves that Magmortar is weak to and smack most spinblockers hard with Earthquake and Assurance, while also it removes setting up Stealth Rock for Magmortar sets up its own. Hitmontop is another great spinner as it has Foresight to eliminate Ghost-types' immunity to Rapid Spin.</p>

<p>Lacking any physical move Like the Special Sweeper set, this set has trouble with Chansey, who can survive even Choice Specs Focus Blast with ease. There are many ways to deal with Chansey, the first being a powerful physically-based sweeper like Hitmontop, who can hit Chansey with its powerful STAB moves. Physically-based sweepers such as Hitmontop are great teammates as they can eliminate Chansey with their powerful STAB moves. Taunt Mismagius is another option as Chansey is unable to damage it with Seismic Toss, (remove comma) while specially-based moves will do little damage (Chansey almost never used special attacks.). Mismagius can use this time to set up Nasty Plot and 2HKO her it with +6 Hidden Power Fighting.</p>

[SET]
name: SubPunch
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Focus Punch
move 3: Fire Blast / Lava Plume
move 4: Thunderbolt
item: Expert Belt / Leftovers
nature: Mild
evs: 48 Atk / 228 SpA / 232 Spe

[Set Comments]

<p>Like the first set, (comma) this set also attempts to break through your opponent's walls, but this time with a combination of Substitute and Focus Punch. Substitute grants Magmortar safety from crippling status moves, while also giving protection for Focus Punch's charging turn. Focus Punch deals solid damage to any Pokemon who is not hit super effectively by Fire Blast and Thunderbolt. is used to hit Chansey super effectively, scoring an OHKO after she takes damage from Stealth Rock. (Let AC's first paragraph say that.) Fire Blast and Lava Plume both provide reliable STAB; the choice depends on whether you prefer higher power in Fire Blast or higher accuracy and burn rate with Lava Plume. Thunderbolt damages bulky Water-types like Milotic, as well as Flying-types like Moltres. The item choice depends on the user you; Expert Belt boosts the power of Magmortar's attacks, while Leftovers help regain HP lost from Substitute.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>232 Speed EVs give Magmortar the ability to outrun all neutral base 80 Pokemon, which includes Venusaur and Blaziken. 48 Attack EVs ensure that Magmortar OHKOes Chansey with Expert Belt boosted Focus Punch after she it switches into Stealth Rock; this requires you hold an Expert Belt, (remove comma) however. The remaining EVs are placed into Special Attack, giving Magmortar more power behind its specially-based moves.</p>

<p>Support from Rapid Spin is even more important on this set as you are already lowering Magmortar's HP with Substitute, which means that you want to preserve as much HP as possible(space)by preventing residual damage. Claydol is a decent choice for this role as it can switch into Rock- and Ground-type attacks aimed at Magmortar, while providing it provides extra support with screens and Stealth Rock of its own. It shares a weakness to Water-type moves, however.</p>

<p>As Magmortar will be losing a lot of its health due to Substitute and possibly entry hazards, Wish support is an excellent option. Chansey and Clefable are excellent partners for Magmortar as they can cripple the opponent with status, while providing reliable support with Wish. Clefable also has access to Encore to stop set-up sweepers from sweeping.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Rapid Spin support is the biggest thing to consider when using Magmortar as losing 25% of its health upon switching into Stealth Rock is a burden. Donphan and Hitmontop are both excellent options to provide support. Donphan can use Assurance to hit incoming Mismagius and Rotom who attempt to block Rapid Spin, while Hitmontop can use Foresight, which temporarily removes a Ghost's immunity to Rapid Spin. Entry hazards of your own are helpful as Magmortar forces a lot of switches. Specifically, (comma) Toxic Spikes are helpful as they can cripple common Magmortar switch-ins: bulky Water-types and Chansey. Drapion is an excellent choice due to its great typing and decent defensive stats. Stealth Rock and Spikes are both excellent tools to rack up residual damage; (semi-colon) Donphan being is great at setting up Stealth Rock, and Qwilfish can quickly setup Spikes. having access to Spikes. Magmortar also appreciates support in the form of Baton Pass; a Speed boost is very welcomed to remedy Magmortar's mediocre Speed stat. Ambipom is a great option as it can shut down opponents with Taunt, and its high Speed allows it to pass boosts without taking too many hits. If you are lucky enough, Ambipom is also good at passing may also be able to pass Special Attack boosts with Nasty Plot, which would raise Magmortar's Special Attack to insane levels and make it a powerful force in UU.</p>

<p>A way to deal with Chansey and Clefable is vital on all sets without a physically-based attack. There are a few ways to deal with these threats, the first being a Choice Banded Dugtrio who can trap Chansey and Clefable and threaten a 2HKO with Earthquake. Powerful physical sweepers like Rhyperior and Hitmontop make quick work of special walls with their STAB moves. Finally, a Mismagius with Taunt can shut down Chansey as it is immune to Seismic Toss and Taunt will stop any attempt to status Mismagius. It can then set up Nasty Plot and 2HKO Chansey with a +6 Hidden Power Fighting. <p>Dugtrio is an excellent offensive partner as it can trap opponents who cause Magmortar problems like Lanturn, Regirock, and Rhyperior, and hit them with STAB Earthquake. Dugtrio also has access to Sucker Punch to hit faster opponents like Alakazam and Swellow. In general, Magmortar has trouble dealing with Chansey (without Cross Chop), bulky Waters like Milotic and Lanturn, bulky Rocks like Rhyperior and Regirock, and faster foes like Alakazam and Swellow. Dugtrio is an excellent offensive partner as it can trap most of the aforementioned Pokemon and KO them with STAB Earthquake (though Regirock, Rhyperior, and Milotic need to be severely weakened enough to be KOed). Additionally, it can use Sucker Punch to hit faster opponents, most notably Swellow. Using your own Rhyperior and Hitmontop can make quick work of a majority of these threats with their STAB moves. A Specially-based Venusaur is an effective way to deal with bulky Water- and Rock-types like Milotic with its STAB Grass moves, while also being able to support Magmortar with Leech Seed. Nasty Plot Mismagius is an ideal partner for Magmortar as it can take advantage of the holes made in the opponent's team. For example, without Registeel and Chansey, Mismagius is able to set up and sweep the opponent's weakened team. Magmortar's ability to take out Steel-types gives Pokemon like Swellow and Scyther the opportunity to sweep the opponent's team. Without Registeel and Steelix, nothing can withstand boosted Facades from Swellow, or Swords Dance boosted Quick Attacks or Bug Bites from Scyther. Magmortar's mixed set is also helpful as it takes out special walls like Chansey, making Alakazam and Mismagius ideal partners, giving them an easier time to set up and sweep the opponent. Mismagius is another great partner as it can set up Nasty Plot boosts and use Taunt to cripple other troublesome walls.</p>

(When I mentioned "merging", I really meant combining the ideas together to flow with each other while avoiding repetition of the same information. Don't worry about it though since I already did it. Oh, and I didn't mention Clefable because Magmortar deals 55.8% - 66.2% with Naive LO Fire Blast to 252/100 Calm Clefable. Focus Blast does 74.6% - 88.3%.)

<p>Bulky Water-types make excellent defensive partners as they can comfortably switch into Ground-, Water- and Rock-type moves aimed at Magmortar, while they can and then cripple troublesome walls the opposition with Toxic. Blastoise gets a special mention as it has access to Rapid Spin, which makes it much easier for Magmortar to switch in. Finally, Quagsire provides excellent defensive synergy with Magmortar as it can switch into most physical threats with ease and cripple them with a combination of Yawn and Encore.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Magmortar has an amazing movepool filled with manyviable options available to it. (period) the first being Will-O-Wisp, allowing With Will-O-Wisp, (comma) Magmortar to can burn a physical threats more reliably than Lava Plume. switching in and being more reliable than Lava Plume's burn rate. Taunt can be used to cripple stop any opponent who attempts to set up on Magmortar or cripple Magmortar it with status moves. A SunnyBeamer set can be used to some success, but its average Speed can make this difficult. Psychic is available to hit Fighting-types like Hitmontop and Blaziken super effectively, but though it provides little coverage compared to other moves. Magmortar can utilize a Choice Band set thanks to its has a decent physical movepool consisting of Cross Chop, Earthquake, Thunderpunch, and Fire Punch which may warrant a Choice Band set, but Blaziken does this better due to its higher Attack and Fighting STAB Fighting-type moves. Mach Punch may be used for priority, allowing Magmortar to overcome its Speed issue. Belly Drum is a gimmicky option for Magmortar; (semi-colon) it can have a huge payoff at the cost of which requires major team support. This is without common priority users like Arcanine, Azumarill and Hitmontop. Using a SubSalac set is also an option, though it's very risky due to the prevalence of Stealth Rock and priority users.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Due to Magmortar's its huge Special Attack and decent threatening movepool, Magmortar is quite difficult to counter. switching into it can be risky as Magmortar can 2HKO almost every Pokemon in UU. The best way to defeat Magmortar is to figure out what set it's running and predict accordingly. Another way to beat Magmortar is to outspeed it and hit it super effectively. Rock Polish Rhyperior or Torterra are great examples if you predict well. (Perhaps for the Scarf set, yes, but this is for the general Magmortar. Rhyperior and Torterra are also not pulling off a Rock Polish when switching into Magmortar.) Magmortar is a difficult Pokemon to counter. However, a select few Pokemon work great. Bulky Water-types like Lanturn, Milotic, and Azumarill are great initial switch-ins to Magmortar. Lanturn is an excellent counter due to its immunity to Thunderbolt, thanks to Volt Absorb, resistance to Fire-type moves, great overall bulk, and access to STAB Surf to hit Magmortar super effectively. as it can switch into Thunderbolt with an immunity and has a resistance to Fire-type moves. Access to STAB Surf is a big plus as it can hit Magmortar super effectively, (remove comma) while Thunder Wave can be used to cripple SubSalac versions (I don't think so. Substitute is blocking Twave in the first place, and when it's at 25%, why not just kill it anyway. Also, SubSalac is OC.). Milotic can switch into Fire Blast, and survive a the incoming Thunderbolt, (comma) from Magmortar, (remove comma) while it can hit it and then strike Magmortar back super effectively with STAB Surf. Azumarill can switch into any Fire-type moves and hit Magmortar with Aqua Jet before it gets the a chance to attack, (remove comma) hitting its weaker Defense stat. With sandstorm support, (comma) Regirock is a decent option counter as it can switch into Thunderbolt with takes little damage from Magmortar's special attacks due to its high Special Defense, and can smash Magmortar with STAB Rock attacks. takes less damage from Fire-type attacks due to its Rock. Regirock can hit Magmortar super effectively with its STAB moves and take it out with little trouble.</p>

<p>Altaria is another option as Magmortar's STAB Fire-type moves do little damage to Altaria due to its decent defensive stats. Altaria doesn't fear Magmortar's Fighting-type attacks, and Thunderbolt has little chance to 2HKO without Choice Specs and Stealth Rock laid down. Altaria can set up Dragon Dance or hit Magmortar with Earthquake. Hidden Power Ice will OHKO Altaria if Magmortar carries it, however. Altaria makes a great counter to Magmortar without Hidden Power Ice courtesy of its great defensive stats, resistances to Fighting- and Fire-type moves, neutrality to Thunderbolt, and access to Earthquake. Chansey can take on any set without physical attacks thanks to her its high special bulk Special Defense and decent HP. She It can cripple Magmortar with Thunder Wave and weaken it with Seismic Toss, (comma) but it must beware of taking too many hits from Focus Blast. Too many hits from Focus Blast will cause problems, however. Hariyama is a good choice solid counter as it takes reduced damage from Magmortar's STAB Fire-type moves thanks to Thick Fat, and its high HP and decent defenses make it hard to take down with anything else other move. Hariyama can then proceed to destroy Magmortar with Stone Edge. Earthquake or it can hit Magmortar with its STAB Fighting-type moves.</p>

(After all of these stuff is included, perhaps you can merge these two paragraphs, if the paragraph doesn't turn out huge enough. I don't think Altaria, Chansey, and Hariyama deserve their own space when Regirock was joined with the Water-types.)


Sorry about changing the set names. RD would probably swing by later on and change them for consistency anyways so let's save some time. ;)

Off-topic and mostly toward the uploader: capitalizing the Set Comments and Additional Comments tags aren't actually necessary. I went skimming over old Komodo-uploaded analyses at the SCMS and there were some non-CAP locked ones that seem to have no effect upon upload. So it's okay to leave them as they are.

Anyway, some grammar errors here and there, and either the prose goes a little odd later on or the information gets a little too much off-topic or repetitive. Or perhaps the information can be simplified too. Otherwise, this analysis is cool.

zzzzstamp hopefully didn't make too many weird changes
 

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Adding to what Flora said, Froslass was mentioned as well, so you might want to fix that. Also, maybe you could give Thick Fat Hariyama a small mention in the counters section, as it's one of the most reliable counters out there.
 

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okay the paragraphs are merged, Froslass and Umbreon mentions are gone, and Hariyama added to the counters
 

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[Overview]

<p>With excellent offensive stats and a decent movepool, Magmortar can be a huge threat in UU. However, it's cursed with being a Fire-type, thus losing 25% of its health to Stealth Rock upon switching in. Magmortar's Speed is also only average, leaving it vulnerable to faster sweepers, provided that they can switch in safely. What sets Magmortar apart from other Fire-types like Blaziken and Typhlosion is its access to Thunderbolt, which gives it an easier time against bulky Water-types like Slowbro. As long as you can get around Magmortar's weaknesses, it makes an effective sweeper.</p>

[SET]
name: Mixed Attacker
move 1: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Cross Chop
item: Life Orb
nature: Naive / Hasty
evs: 16 Atk / 252 SpA / 240 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Magmortar's greatest strength lies in its ability to deal with both the physical and special walls of UU, thanks to its sky-high base 125 Special Attack and solid base 95 Attack. These are backed by Magmortar's extremely diverse movepool and the 1.3x power boost from Life Orb, turning Magmortar into a mixed attacker who can blast through the strongest walls of UU.</p>

<p>Fire Blast is Magmortar's main attacking move that can deal deadly damage to almost every Pokemon who doesn't resist it. Thunderbolt is an ideal move on Magmortar, as it OHKOes Moltres and gives Magmortar coverage over bulky Water-types. The third slot is chosen based on personal preference. Hidden Power Grass is usually the more reliable option because it allows Magmortar to hit a wider range of Pokemon, including Rhyperior and the Water- / Ground-types who would otherwise wall this set. It is also Magmortar's strongest move against Lanturn. Hidden Power Ice is the other alternative; while the only notable Pokemon it hits is Altaria, it still scores super effective hits on Ground-types (however, it doesn't OHKO Rhyperior), making it a good alternative option. The last move, Cross Chop, allows Magmortar to destroy Chansey, who would otherwise wall this set completely. With Stealth Rock in play, the combination of Fire Blast and Cross Chop has a high chance of KOing it. Cross Chop also OHKOes Houndoom, another troublesome Pokemon.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>A Speed-boosting nature is chosen for this set, as it allows Magmortar to outspeed Milotic, Feraligatr, and all max Speed positive nature base 80s Pokemon with Base 80 Speed and a positive nature, including Venusaur and Blaziken. The choice of nature depends on what you want Magmortar to take less damage from. A Naive nature allows Magmortar to take less damage from physical priority attacks (such as Fake Out or Mach Punch), while a Hasty nature allows Magmortar to take less from special attacks like Leaf Storm. Life Orb is the item of choice on this set, allowing Magmortar to switch freely between attacks and give it a welcomed power boost. Here are some damage calculations demonstrating the power of this Magmortar:</p>

I just didn't like how that flowed, the bit with nature and base speeds.

<h3>Damage Calculations</h3>
<ul class="damage_calculations">
<li>Fire Blast vs. 52 HP / 0 SpD Adamant Donphan - 109.71% - 131.44%</li>
<li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Bold Weezing - 73.95% - 87.42%</li>
<li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 216 SpD Careful Registeel - 74.17% - 87.91%</li>
<li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Bold Claydol - 65.12% - 77.16%</li>
<li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 116 SpD Careful Spiritomb - 61.51% - 73.02%</li>
<li>Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Calm Clefable - 55.58% - 65.48%</li>
<li>Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Calm Chansey - 26.83% - 31.82%</li>
<li>Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Bold Slowbro - 79.18% - 93.40%</li>
<li>Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Bold Milotic - 54.96% - 65.13%</li>
<li>Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 56 SpD Calm Milotic - 47.20% - 55.83%</li>
<li>Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Bold Blastoise - 69.06% - 81.76%</li>
<li>Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Bold Cloyster - 107.23% - 126.31%</li>
<li>Hidden Power Grass vs. 136 HP / 0 SpD Adamant Rhyperior - 115.55% - 136.29%</li>
<li>Hidden Power Grass vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Careful Quagsire - 91.37% - 108.62%</li>
<li>Hidden Power Grass vs. 40 HP / 252 SpD Calm Lanturn - 41.39% - 48.87%</li>
<li>Cross Chop vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Calm Chansey - 61.15% - 72.07%</li>
</ul>

<p>These calculations effectively portray Magmortar's raw power. Any of these Pokemon who switches into Fire Blast is then KOed by one of Magmortar's coverage moves (with the sole exception of Lanturn). For example, if a physically defensive Milotic switches in on Fire Blast, it is then KOed by Thunderbolt (assuming Stealth Rock is up). The calculations also show the importance of Stealth Rock, which allows Magmortar to gain some very important OHKOs and 2HKOs.</p>

<p>Despite its excellent attacking prowess, this Magmortar generally has a short lifespan. Stealth Rock chips off a whopping 25% of Magmortar's health every time it switches in. This, coupled with recoil damage from Life Orb, can often lead to Magmortar's early demise. Therefore, Rapid Spin support is invaluable to Magmortar, as it allows Magmortar to switch in much more freely in order to fire off its powerful attacks. The two Rapid Spinners who have the greatest synergy with Magmortar are Claydol and Blastoise. Claydol can switch into Ground- and Rock-type attacks aimed at Magmortar, spin away entry hazards, and then proceed to set up Stealth Rock to aid Magmortar. Blastoise also makes a great partner to Magmortar because it can come in on Water- and Fire-type attacks easily; moreover, it has access to Foresight, which allows it to spin on Ghost-types. Wish support from the likes of Leafeon and Chansey is also greatly appreciated by Magmortar, since it can restore health lost due to entry hazards, Life Orb recoil, and other forms of residual damage.</p>

<p>Magmortar pairs well with Pokemon who either defensively complement it or take advantage of the large holes that Magmortar can punch into the opposing team. Toxicroak makes a great partner to Magmortar, as it can come in on Water-type attacks directed at Magmortar, set up Swords Dance or Nasty Plot, and attempt to sweep. Thanks to its typing and ability, Toxicroak can also come in on numerous priority attacks, such as Aqua Jet or Mach Punch, which greatly threaten Magmortar. Physical variants of Toxicroak often lure in Will-O-Wisp users, such as Spiritomb, whom Magmortar can freely switch into. Due to its ability to eliminate bulky Waters with Thunderbolt, Magmortar can open up opportunities for Pokemon such as Rock Polish Rhyperior to sweep. Rhyperior can also come in on Thunder Wave from defensive Pokemon whom Magmortar cannot OHKO, such as Uxie, and then proceed to set up the following turn.</p>

[SET]
name: Special Attacker
move 1: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
item: Life Orb / Expert Belt
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 16 HP / 252 SpA / 240 Spe

[Set Comments]

<p>This set takes advantage of Magmortar's excellent Special Attack and usable Speed. Fire Blast is a powerful STAB attack, though you may use Flamethrower if you prefer perfect accuracy. Thunderbolt allows Magmortar to hit bulky Water-types like Milotic and Flying-types like Moltres super effectively. Focus Blast lets Magmortar strike Regirock and Houndoom for deadly damage. Hidden Power Ice allows Magmortar to OHKO Altaria, while Hidden Power Grass is used to OHKO Rhyperior and Quagsire. Life Orb is the preferred item, although you may choose an Expert Belt if you wish to be free from recoil damage.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>With a Timid nature and 240 EVs in Speed, Magmortar has the ability to outrun all positive natured base 80 Pokemon, while also beating Offensive Milotic by one point. Max Special Attack is vital, as it grants Magmortar's attacks more power behind them. The remaining EVs are placed into HP, giving Magmortar a small defensive boost, while retaining an odd number that allows it to switch into Stealth Rock five times.</p>

<p>Being a Fire-type, Magmortar loses a quarter of its health upon switching into Stealth Rock. Support from Rapid Spin is a necessity as Magmortar will also be losing health with Life Orb recoil, making a sweep much more difficult. Donphan is an excellent user of Rapid Spin as it can switch into physically-based Rock- and Ground-type moves aimed at Magmortar, while hitting Ghost-types with Assurance.</p>

<p>Without any physical attacks, this set has trouble getting past special walls like Chansey. There are numerous ways to deal with this problem. The first way is to use Choice Band Dugtrio, who can trap Chansey with its ability, and 2HKO it with Earthquake. Mixed Blaziken is also an option to deal with special walls, as it can lure them in with specially-based moves and hit them with Superpower. Finally, Taunt Mismagius can shut down most special walls with ease and setup with Nasty Plot. After three boosts from Nasty Plot, Mismagius can 2HKO Chansey with Hidden Power Fighting.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice
move 1: Fire Blast / Overheat
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
nature: Modest / Timid
evs: 44 Def / 252 SpA / 216 Spe

[Set Comments]

<p>This set uses Choice items to either boost Magmortar's Speed or Special Attack to an overwhelming level. Fire Blast and Overheat allow Magmortar to leave large dents on a variety of opponents; Fire Blast is the most reliable choice as it doesn't lower Magmortar's Special Attack after use, which is more suitable for late-game cleaning, but Overheat deals more damage and has better uses earlier on. Flamethrower can be used if you would rather have perfect accuracy over power. Thunderbolt allows Magmortar to damage Water-types like Milotic and Flying-types like Moltres for super effective damage. Focus Blast is used to blast opponents who resist or are immune to Fire-type moves, like Regirock and Houndoom. Hidden Power Ice deals huge damage to Altaria, while providing excellent coverage alongside Thunderbolt. Alternatively, Hidden Power Grass can be used to OHKO Quagsire and Rhyperior, who takes less damage from any other move listed.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>With a Modest nature and a Choice Scarf, Magmortar reaches 384 Speed, outrunning max Speed Swellow and everything below. Using more Speed is unnecessary as Magmortar won't outrun anything notable. Max Special Attack gives Magmortar added power behind its attacks. The remaining EVs are placed into Defense for additional physical bulk. When using Choice Specs, a Timid nature along with an EV spread of 16 HP / 252 SpA / 240 Spe is recommended. This allows Magmortar to outrun maximum Speed Modest Milotic.</p>

<p>Since Choice Magmortar will have to switch out frequently, removing Stealth Rock from the field via Rapid Spin is a must. Donphan is an excellent choice as it can switch into Rock- and Ground-type moves that Magmortar is weak to and smack most spinblockers hard with Earthquake and Assurance, while also setting up Stealth Rock for Magmortar. Hitmontop is another great spinner as it has Foresight to eliminate Ghost-types' immunity to Rapid Spin.</p>

<p>Like the Special Sweeper set, this set has trouble with Chansey, who can survive even Choice Specs Focus Blast with ease. Physically-based sweepers such as Hitmontop are great teammates as they can eliminate Chansey with their powerful STAB moves. Taunt Mismagius is another option as Chansey is unable to damage it with Seismic Toss. Mismagius can use this time to set up Nasty Plot and 2HKO it with +6 Hidden Power Fighting.</p>

[SET]
name: SubPunch
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Focus Punch
move 3: Fire Blast / Lava Plume
move 4: Thunderbolt
item: Expert Belt / Leftovers
nature: Mild
evs: 48 Atk / 228 SpA / 232 Spe

[Set Comments]

<p>Like the first set, this set also attempts to break through your opponent's walls, but this time with a combination of Substitute and Focus Punch. Substitute grants Magmortar safety from crippling status moves, while also giving protection for Focus Punch's charging turn. Focus Punch deals solid damage to any Pokemon who is not hit super effectively by Fire Blast and Thunderbolt. Fire Blast and Lava Plume both provide reliable STAB; the choice depends on whether you prefer higher power in Fire Blast or higher accuracy and burn rate with Lava Plume. Thunderbolt damages bulky Water-types like Milotic, as well as Flying-types like Moltres. The item choice depends on you; Expert Belt boosts the power of Magmortar's attacks, while Leftovers help regain HP lost from Substitute.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>232 Speed EVs give Magmortar the ability to outrun all neutral base 80 Pokemon, which includes Venusaur and Blaziken. 48 Attack EVs ensure that Magmortar OHKOes Chansey with Expert Belt boosted Focus Punch after it switches into Stealth Rock. The remaining EVs are placed into Special Attack, giving Magmortar more power behind its specially-based moves.</p>

<p>Support from Rapid Spin is even more important on this set as you are already lowering Magmortar's HP with Substitute, which means that you want to preserve as much HP as possible by preventing residual damage. Claydol is a decent choice for this role as it can switch into Rock- and Ground-type attacks aimed at Magmortar, while providing extra support with screens and Stealth Rock of its own. It shares a weakness to Water-type moves, however.</p>

<p>As Magmortar will be losing a lot of its health due to Substitute and possibly entry hazards, Wish support is an excellent option. Chansey and Clefable are excellent partners for Magmortar as they can cripple the opponent with status, while providing reliable support with Wish. Clefable also has access to Encore to stop set-up sweepers from sweeping.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Rapid Spin support is the biggest thing to consider when using Magmortar as losing 25% of its health upon switching into Stealth Rock is a burden. Donphan and Hitmontop are both excellent options to provide support. Donphan can use Assurance to hit incoming Mismagius and Rotom who attempt to block Rapid Spin, while Hitmontop can use Foresight, which temporarily removes a Ghost's immunity to Rapid Spin. Entry hazards of your own are helpful as Magmortar forces a lot of switches. Specifically, Toxic Spikes are helpful as they can cripple common Magmortar switch-ins: bulky Water-types and Chansey. Drapion is an excellent choice due to its great typing and decent defensive stats. Stealth Rock and Spikes are both excellent tools to rack up residual damage; Donphan is great at setting up Stealth Rock, and Qwilfish can quickly setup Spikes. Magmortar also appreciates support in the form of Baton Pass; a Speed boost is very welcomed to remedy Magmortar's mediocre Speed stat. Ambipom is a great option as it can shut down opponents with Taunt, and its high Speed allows it to pass boosts without taking too many hits. If you are lucky enough, Ambipom may also be able to pass Special Attack boosts with Nasty Plot, which would raise Magmortar's Special Attack to insane levels and make it a powerful force in UU.</p>

<p>In general, Magmortar has trouble dealing with Chansey (without Cross Chop), bulky Water-types such as Milotic and Lanturn, bulky Rock-types such as Rhyperior and Regirock, and faster foes such as Alakazam and Swellow. Dugtrio is an excellent offensive partner as it can trap most of the aforementioned Pokemon and KO them with STAB Earthquake (though Regirock, Rhyperior, and Milotic need to be severely weakened enough to be KOed). Additionally, it can use Sucker Punch to hit faster opponents, most notably Swellow. Using your own Rhyperior and Hitmontop can make quick work of a majority of these threats with their STAB moves. Specially-based Venusaur is an effective way to deal with bulky Water- and Rock-types with its Grass moves, while also being able to support Magmortar with Leech Seed. Nasty Plot Mismagius is an ideal partner for Magmortar as it can take advantage of the holes made in the opponent's team. For example, without Registeel and Chansey, Mismagius is able to set up and sweep the opponent's weakened team. Magmortar's ability to take out Steel-types gives Pokemon like Swellow and Scyther the opportunity to sweep the opponent's team. Without Registeel and Steelix, nothing can withstand boosted Facades from Swellow, or Swords Dance boosted Quick Attacks or Bug Bites from Scyther.</p>

<p>Bulky Water-types make excellent defensive partners as they can comfortably switch into Ground-, Water-, and Rock-type moves aimed at Magmortar, and then cripple the opposition with Toxic. Blastoise gets a special mention as it has access to Rapid Spin, which makes it easier for Magmortar to switch in. Finally, Quagsire provides excellent defensive synergy with Magmortar as it can switch into most physical threats with ease and cripple them with a combination of Yawn and Encore.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Magmortar has an amazing movepool filled with many viable options. With Will-O-Wisp, Magmortar can burn physical threats more reliably than Lava Plume. Taunt can be used to stop any opponent who attempts to set up on Magmortar or cripple it with status moves. A SunnyBeamer set can be used to some success, but its average Speed can make this difficult. Psychic is available to hit Fighting-types like Hitmontop and Blaziken super effectively, though it provides little coverage compared to other moves. Magmortar can utilize a Choice Band set thanks to its decent physical movepool consisting of Cross Chop, Earthquake, Thunderpunch, and Fire Punch, but Blaziken does this better due to its higher Attack and Fighting STAB. Mach Punch may be used for priority, allowing Magmortar to overcome its Speed issue. Belly Drum is a gimmicky option for Magmortar; it can have a huge payoff at the cost of major team support. Using a SubSalac set is also an option, though it's very risky due to the prevalence of Stealth Rock and priority users.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Due to its huge Special Attack and threatening movepool, Magmortar is quite difficult to counter. The best way to defeat Magmortar is to figure out what set it's running and predict accordingly. Bulky Water-types like Lanturn, Milotic, and Azumarill are great initial switch-ins to Magmortar. Lanturn is an excellent counter due to its immunity to Thunderbolt, thanks to Volt Absorb, resistance to Fire-type moves, great overall bulk, and access to STAB Surf to hit Magmortar super effectively. Milotic can switch into Fire Blast, survive the incoming Thunderbolt, and then strike Magmortar back super effectively with STAB Surf. Azumarill can switch into any Fire-type moves and hit Magmortar with Aqua Jet before it gets a chance to attack. With Sandstorm support, Regirock is a decent counter as it takes little damage from Magmortar's special attacks due to its boosted Special Defense, and can smash Magmortar with STAB Rock-typed attacks.</p>

<p>Altaria makes a great counter to Magmortar without Hidden Power Ice courtesy of its great defensive stats, resistances to Fighting- and Fire-type moves, neutrality to Thunderbolt, and access to Earthquake. Chansey can take on any set without physical attacks thanks to its high special bulk. It can cripple Magmortar with Thunder Wave and weaken it with Seismic Toss, but it must beware of taking too many hits from Focus Blast. Hariyama is a solid counter as it takes reduced damage from Magmortar's STAB Fire-type moves thanks to Thick Fat, and its high HP and decent defenses make it hard to take down with any other move. Hariyama can then proceed to destroy Magmortar with Stone Edge.</p>
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