Magneton (BW2 Revamp) (QC 3/3) (GP 2/2)

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I consulted Alexwolf and he stated that I can make the Choice Scarf set the only set.

Magneton (BW2 revamp)
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[Overview]

<p>Magneton has always been and still is a mediocre Pokemon in OU. Magneton has an absolute abysmal movepool, making it relatively easy to wall. While Magneton does have several excellent resistances, it also has crippling weaknesses to Fighting-, Ground-, and Fire-type moves, and its terrible defenses mean that even moves that it resists will 2HKO. However, Magneton's worst flaw is that it is almost completely eclipsed by Magnezone, which can fulfill nearly every viable role Magneton can with greater success.</p>

<p>Despite these setbacks, Magneton still has one useful trait that makes it viable in OU: Speed. Magneton's greater Speed allows it to revenge kill several foes that Magnezone cannot when equipped with a Choice Scarf. This gives Magneton a small niche of being a decent Steel trapper and revenge killer at the same time.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Volt Switch
move 2: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Flash Cannon
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Magnet Pull
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With this set, Magneton is able to trap and revenge kill a variety of Steel-types, including Lucario, Skarmory, and Forretress. Magneton's higher Speed allows it to get the jump on threats, such as +1 Dragonite, Starmie, and Dugtrio that could easily destroy Choice Scarf Magnezone. Volt Switch functions as Magneton's main STAB move, giving it the ability to maintain momentum and escape out of unfavorable situations. Hidden Power Ice is a key coverage move in Magneton's arsenal, as it keeps Dragon-types such as Salamence, Garchomp, and most notably, +1 Dragonite in check. Hidden Power Fire can be used to eliminate Ferrothorn, a threat that would otherwise completely wall this set. However, it hits nothing else notable. Thunderbolt functions as Magneton's alternate Electric STAB move and is a very useful move in situations where switching out is unfavorable. Its higher Base Power is also helpful against Steel-types such as Lucario and Scizor if Magneton lacks Hidden Power Fire. In the final slot, Flash Cannon is used to hit Terrakion, Tyranitar, Mamoswine, and Kyurem-B for super effective damage. It is also Magneton's best move against Ground-types if it lacks Hidden Power Ice.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EV spread allows Magneton to outspeed everything up to +1 Dragonite. Because this particular Magneton set lacks power, entry hazard support from Pokemon such as Forretress, Skarmory, and Ferrothorn is recommended. While it's not required, rain support from Politoed is recommended if Magneton is not using Hidden Power Fire, as it allows Magneton to use its more powerful STAB move, Thunder, and neutralizes its Fire weakness. Latias and Latios are also amazing partners for Magneton, as they not only have perfect defensive synergy but can also punch large holes into the foe's team without Steel-types there to stop them. Scizor is a very good partner because of its ability to sweep teams once Steel-types are removed. It also can bring Magneton in safely with a slow U-turn. Magneton can also function in a playstyle known as DragMag, where it works together with its evolution, Magnezone, to eliminate all of the foe's Steel-types, allowing Dragon-types such as Dragonite and Garchomp to sweep the foe's team.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Magneton's sparse movepool leave it with few viable alternate options. Perhaps the second most viable set that Magneton can run is a SubCharge set consisting of Thunderbolt / Charge Beam / Substitute / Hidden Power Ice. However, it takes too long to set up, and the only Steel-type that this set can really beat is Ferrothorn. Magneton can use Thunder Wave to decent effect, as it can slow down faster threats such as Terrakion. However, Magneton is too frail to use this move effectively. Magneton can also use Signal Beam and Hidden Power Ground to hit Celebi and Heatran, respectively, but outside of these specific situations, these moves are not very useful. Finally, Magneton can use its alternate ability, Analytic, to boost its power if it attacks last, but this prevents Magneton from fulfilling its main niche in the OU environment: trapping Steel-types.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Although Magneton's Special Attack stat is fantastic, its terrible movepool and defenses mean that it isn't very difficult to counter. Gastrodon is able to withstand whatever Magneton dishes out at it and threaten it out with Earth Power. Chansey and Blissey are able to withstand even the most powerful of Magneton's attacks, heal off the damage with Wish, and wear it down with Seismic Toss. Apart from the rare Signal Beam, Celebi isn't fazed by anything Magneton carries. However, it cannot do much in return if it lacks Earth Power. Specially defensive Heatran falls into a similar category as Celebi with the exception that it can immediately threaten Magneton with Lava Plume. Ferrothorn must watch out for Hidden Power Fire, but apart from that, it is able to take whatever Magneton throws at it and set up entry hazards. Latios and Latias can take even a super effective Hidden Power Ice and either heavily dent Magneton with a rain-boosted Surf or use it as setup bait with Calm Mind. Specially defensive Hippowdon can take up to two Hidden Power Ices and OHKO Magneton with Earthquake. Ground-types in general make solid answers to Magneton, as they can block Volt Switch and only fear Hidden Power Ice. Finally, if you lack any defensive answers to Magneton, then revenge killing it with either Breloom or faster Choice Scarf users, such as Terrakion, is always an option.</p>

[Overview]
  • Extremely mediocre Pokemon in OU
  • Common weaknesses and mediocre defenses without Eviolite
  • Abysmal offensive movepool
  • Outclassed by its evolution Magnezone
  • Despite these setbacks, Magneton still has a few redeeming options making it usable in OU
  • Magnet Pull allows it to trap Steel-types
  • Base 70 Speed allows it to outspeed threats that Magnezone cannot, allowing it to function as a better Choice Scarf user
[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Volt Switch
move 2: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Flash Cannon
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Magnet Pull
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
  • This set allows Magneton to trap and revenge kill a variety of Steel-types such as Lucario, Ferrothorn and Skarmory.
  • Magneton's higher base Speed allows it to outpace treats that Magnezone can not, including Starmie, Dugtio and Weavile
  • Volt Switch allows Magneton to maintain momentum and escape unfavorable situations
  • Hidden Power Ice destroys Dragon-types, most notably Dragonite, while Hidden Power Fire allows Magneton to trap and kill a wider variety of Steel-types,
  • Thunderbolt functions as an alternate Electric STAB move and is very useful in situations where Magneton does not want to switch out
  • Flash Cannon is Magneton's secondary STAB and hits a large portion of the tier for neutral damage
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
  • The given EVs allow Magneton to hit as hard as possible, while also outspeeding everything up to +1 Adamant Dragonite
  • Because Choice Scarf Magneton isn't very powerful hazard support from Skarmory, Ferrothorn and Forretress is recommended
  • Rain support from Politoed is helpful, as it allows Magneton to run Thunder
  • Magneton is extremely frail, so a slow Pokemon with either Volt Switch or U-turn make decent partners
  • Pokemon that enjoy Steel-types being removed, such as Dragonite, Salamence, and Scizor are also great partners.
[Other Options]
  • A Subcharge set with Charge Beam, Substitute, Thunderbolt and Hidden Power Ice is viable, but this set takes too long to set up and the only Steel-type it can beat is Ferrothorn
  • Thunder Wave
  • Signal Beam for Celebi
  • Hidden Power Ground for Heatran
  • Analytic boosts Magneton's power, but it prevents Magneton from accomplishing its main role: trapping Steel-types
[Checks and Counters]
  • Magneton's terrible movepool and defenses makes it relatively easy to counter
  • Gastrodon can take whatever Magneton throws at it and destroy it with Earth Power
  • Chansey and Blissey completely wall Magneton and can slowly wear it down with Seismic Toss
  • Virizion's massive special bulk allows it to take even a super effective Hidden Power and can OHKO Magneton with Close Combat
  • Breloom OHKOes Magneton with Mach punch
  • Choice Scarf users such as Terrakion, Keldeo and Landorus-T can revenge kill Magneton
  • In general, any Pokemon that isn't weak to any of Magneton's moves makes a decent check to it
 
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AccidentalGreed

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Woah woah woah hold the phone here, Magneton isn't running max Speed? It needs to do so in order to speed tie at worst with Choice Scarf Politoed, and also outrun Adamant variants of Dragonite (essentially giving Magneton a second job) so it can kill it at +1. Besides, the extra HP seems very very unnecessary. Do that, and I think I'll approve if there isn't anything else I have in mind.
 

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HP Ice should be slashed first. One of the main reasons to use Scarf Magneton over Magnezone is to outspeed +1 DDnite, so not being able to revenge kill it is stupid. If you want to trap and KO Ferrothorn that's fine, but Magnezone is better at this job anyway, while HP Ice plays Magneton to its strengths.
 
#11
As the writer of the old Magneton analysis, your skeleton worries me. You make no reference to Magnezone outside of the overview at all, and it really does need to be stated just how Magneton's Scarf set is better than Magnezone's.
 
#12
As the writer of the old Magneton analysis, your skeleton worries me. You make no reference to Magnezone outside of the overview at all, and it really does need to be stated just how Magneton's Scarf set is better than Magnezone's.
I mentioned how it can outspeed several threats that Magnezone cannot outspeed in the set comments, which makes it the better Scarf user.

@alexwolf My bad. I have now made that change.
 

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Overview said:
Despite these setbacks, Magneton still has a few useful traits that make viable in OU. Like its evolution, Magnezone, Magneton has the ability Magnet Pull, allowing it to trap and KO various Steel-types.
Remove this, we all know that Magneton has Magnet Pull too, so just focus on what it has over Magnezone, which is Speed.

Set Comments said:
As previously mentioned, Magneton's higher Speed allows it to get the jump on threats such as +1 Dragonite, Starmie, and Dugtrio;
You didn't previously mention which threats Magneton's higher Speed allows it to outspeed that Magnezone can't, so you should better remove the previously part.

Set Comments said:
Hidden Power Ice is a key coverage move in Magneton's arsenal; keeping Dragon-types such as Dragonite, Salamence, and Garchomp in check.
I know that you talked about it in the sentence above, but stress that HP Ice is really important to outspeed and KO one of the two threats that Magnezone can't, +1 Dragonite.

Set Comments said:
Thunderbolt functions as Magneton's alternate Electric STAB move and is a very useful move in situations where switching out is unfavorable.
Thunderbolt is also useful for the extra damage against many targets, especially when not having HP Fire to hit super effectively Steel-types such as Forretress, Lucario, and Scizor.

Set Comments said:
In the final slot, Flash Cannon is used, as it hits a large portion of the tier for neutral damage, as well as hitting Terrakion and Kyurem-B for super effective damage.
Flash Cannon is used only for Tyranitar, Kyurem-B, Mamoswine, and Terrakion, as everything else in OU is hit harder by Thunderbolt or Hidden Power Ice (Steel-type moves don't have good neutral coverage in OU). I guess you could mention that Flash Cannon can also do some respectable damage to Ground-types if Magneton lacks Hidden Power Ice.

Additional Comments said:
Scizor is a very good partner for this set because of its ability to bring Magneton safety with a slow U-Turn. It also appreciates the removal of Steel-types.
Magneton is a good partner for Scizor because it can get rid of Steel-types. The fact that it can bring Magneton in safely with U-turn is just a bonus, not the reason that Scizor is a good partner.

Additional Comments said:
In general, any Pokemon that is handicapped will make a solid partner for Magneton.
What is this supposed to mean? Talk about Magneton's role in DragMag teams when saying how it can be used alongside Magnezone.

In the checks and counters, remove Virzion as it's not that relevant for OU. Add Hippowdon, one of the best counters to Magneton in OU. Also add Ground-types in general, which are good switch-ins and also block Volt Switch while only fearing Hidden Power Ice. Same goes for Lati@s, which only fear Hidden Power Ice, and still don't take too much damage from it.
 

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Hihi, GP Check! My apologies for the delay; I got busy halfway through the check. ^^;

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[Overview]

<p>Throughout all the existing generations, (AC) Magneton has always been a mediocre Pokemon in OU and this generation is no exception. Magneton has an absolute abysmal movepool, making it relatively easy to wall. While Magneton does have several excellent resistances, it also carries has crippling weaknesses to Fighting-, Ground-, and Fire-type moves, (AC) and its terrible 50/95/70 50 / 95 / 70 defenses means that even moves that Magneton resists resisted hits will 2HKO it. However, (AC) Magneton's worst flaw, however, is that it is completely eclipsed by its evolution Magnezone, who its post-evolution that can fulfill nearly every viable role Magneton can with greater success.</p>

<p>Despite these setbacks, Magneton still has one useful traits that makes it viable in OU: Speed. Magneton's greater Speed allows it to revenge kill several foes that Magnezone cannot when equipped with A a Choice Scarf. This gives Magneton a small niche of being a decent Steel-type trapper and a revenge killer at the same time.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Volt Switch
move 2: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Flash Cannon
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Magnet Pull
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With this set, Magneton is able to trap and revenge kill a variety of Steel-types, including Lucario, Skarmory, and Forretress. Magneton's higher Speed allows it to get the jump on threats such as +1 Dragonite, Starmie, and Dugtrio;, (AC) three examples of Pokemon who would that could easily destroy Choice Scarf Magnezone. Volt Switch functions as Magneton's main STAB move, giving Magneton it the ability to maintain momentum and escape out of unfavorable situations. Hidden Power Ice is a key coverage move in Magneton's arsenal; as it keeps keeping Dragon-types such as Salamence, Garchomp, and most notably, +1 Dragonite in check in check. Hidden Power Fire can be used to eliminate Ferrothorn, who a threat that would otherwise completely wall this set. Thunderbolt functions as Magneton's alternate Electric STAB move and is a very useful move in situations where switching out is unfavorable. Its higher bBase pPower is also helpful against Steel-types such Lucario and Scizor if Magneton lacks Hidden Power Fire. In the final slot, Flash Cannon is used, (RC) as it to hits Terrakion, Tyranitar, Mamoswine, and Kyurem-B for super effective damage. It is also Magneton's best move against Ground-types if it lacks Hidden Power Ice.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EV spread allows Magneton hit as hard as possible, as well as allowing it to outspeed everything up to +1 Dragonite. Because this particular Magneton set lacks power isn't very powerful, entry hazard support from Pokemon such as Forretress, Skarmory, and Ferrothorn, (RC) is recommended. While it's not required, Rrain support from Politoed is recommended if Magneton is not using Hidden Power Fire, (AC) as it allows to allow Magneton to use its more powerful STAB move:, (AC) Thunder, as well as to work around its remove its Fire-type weakness. Latias and Latios are also amazing partners for Magneton, as they not only have perfect defensive synergy, but they can also punch large holes into the foe's team with the removal of Steel-types. Scizor is a very good partner because of its ability to sweep teams once Steel-types are removed. It also can bring Magneton safety with a slow U-Tturn. (Just bring that tiny sentence up to this paragraph.) Magneton can also function in a playstyle known as DragMag, where it works together with its evolution, Magnezone, to eliminate all of the foe's Steel-types, allowing Dragon-types such as Dragonite and Garchomp to sweep the foe's team.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Magneton's sparse movepool leaves it with few viable alternate options. Perhaps the second most viable set that Magneton can run is a SubCharge set consisting of Thunderbolt / Charge Beam / Substitute / Hidden Power Ice. with the moves Thunderbolt, Charge Beam, Substitute and Hidden Power Ice. However, this set takes too long to set up, (AC) and the only Steel-type that this set can really beat is Ferrothorn. Magneton can use Thunder Wave to a decent effect, as it can slow down faster threats such as Terrakion. However, Magneton is too frail to use this move effectively. Magneton can also Signal Beam and Hidden Power Ground to hit Celebi and Heatran, (AC) respectively, but outside of these specific situations, these moves are not very useful. Finally, Magneton can use its alternate ability, Analytic, to boost its power if it attacks last, but this prevents Magneton from fulfilling its main niche in the OU environment;: trapping Steel-types.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Despite Magneton's fantastic Special Attack stat, its terrible movepool and defenses means that it isn't very difficult to counter. Gastrodon is able to withstand whatever Magneton dishes out at it and threaten it out with Earth Power. The pink blobs, Chansey and Blissey, are able to withstand even the most powerful of Magneton's attacks, heal off the damage with Wish, and wear it down with Seismic Toss. Apart from the rare Signal Beam, Celebi isn't fazed by anything Magneton carries. However, it cannot do much in return if it lacks Earth Power. Specially Ddefensive Heatran falls into a similar category as Celebi, (RC) except with the exception that it can immediately threaten Magneton with Lava Plume. Ferrothorn must watch out for Hidden Power Fire, but apart from that, it is able to take whatever Magneton throws at it and set up Eentry Hhazards. Latios and Latias can take even a super effective Hidden Power Ice and either heavily dent Magneton with a rain-boosted Surf, (RC) or use Magneton as setup bait with Calm Mind. Specially Ddefensive Hippowdon can take up to two Hidden Power Ices and OHKO Magneton with Earthquake. Ground-types in general make solid answers to Magneton, as they can block Volt Switch and only fear Hidden Power Ice. Finally, if you lack any defensive answers to Magneton, then revenge killing it with either Breloom or faster Choice Scarf users, such as Terrakion, is always an option.(remove space)</p>

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GP check. Good job on writing this.
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[Overview]

<p>Throughout all the existing generations, Magneton has always been and still is a mediocre Pokemon in OU. Magneton has an absolute abysmal movepool, making it relatively easy to wall. While Magneton does have several excellent resistances, it also has crippling weaknesses to Fighting-, Ground-, and Fire-type moves, and its terrible 50 / 95 / 70 defenses mean that even moves that Magneton it resists will 2HKO it. However, Magneton's worst flaw, (remove comma) is that it is almost completely eclipsed by Magnezone, its post-evolution that which can fulfill nearly every viable role Magneton can with greater success.</p>

<p>Despite these setbacks, Magneton still has one useful trait that makes it viable in OU: Speed. Magneton's greater Speed allows it to revenge kill several foes that Magnezone cannot when equipped with a Choice Scarf. This gives Magneton a small niche of being a decent Steel trapper and a revenge killer at the same time.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Volt Switch
move 2: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Flash Cannon
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Magnet Pull
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With this set, Magneton is able to trap and revenge kill a variety of Steel-types, including Lucario, Skarmory, and Forretress. Magneton's higher Speed allows it to get the jump on threats such as +1 Dragonite, Starmie, and Dugtrio, (either remove this comma or add one before such as) three examples of Pokemon that could easily destroy Choice Scarf Magnezone. Volt Switch functions as Magneton's main STAB move, giving it the ability to maintain momentum and escape out of unfavorable situations. Hidden Power Ice is a key coverage move in Magneton's arsenal, as it keeps Dragon-types such as Salamence, Garchomp, and most notably, +1 Dragonite in check. Hidden Power Fire can be used to eliminate Ferrothorn, a threat that would otherwise completely wall this set. (if HP Ice is a key coverage move and HP Fire just eliminates Ferrothorn, maybe include some mention here of why HP Ice is generally better (HP Fire not hitting anything else important or whatever the reason is); if this isn't the case and they're both pretty much equally viable, then calling HP Ice something different than a key coverage move might be good) Thunderbolt functions as Magneton's alternate Electric STAB move and is a very useful move in situations where switching out is unfavorable. Its higher Base Power is also helpful against Steel-types such as Lucario and Scizor if Magneton lacks Hidden Power Fire. In the final slot, Flash Cannon is used to hit Terrakion, Tyranitar, Mamoswine, and Kyurem-B for super effective damage. It is also Magneton's best move against Ground-types if it lacks Hidden Power Ice.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EV spread allows Magneton hit as hard as possible, as well as allowing it to outspeed everything up to +1 Dragonite. Because this particular Magneton set lacks power, entry hazard support from Pokemon such as Forretress, Skarmory, and Ferrothorn is recommended. While it's not required, rain support from Politoed is recommended if Magneton is not using Hidden Power Fire, as it allows Magneton to use its more powerful STAB move, Thunder, as well as work around and neutralizes (or another word you like better) its Fire weakness. Latias and Latios are also amazing partners for Magneton, as they not only have perfect defensive synergy (remove comma), but they can also punch large holes into the foe's team with the removal of without Steel-types there to stop them (or another change you prefer; this just seemed a little awkwardly phrased). Scizor is a very good partner because of its ability to sweep teams once Steel-types are removed. It also can bring Magneton safety in safely with a slow U-turn. Magneton can also function in a playstyle known as DragMag, where it works together with its evolution, Magnezone, to eliminate all of the foe's Steel-types, allowing Dragon-types such as Dragonite and Garchomp to sweep the foe's team.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Magneton's sparse movepool leave it with few viable alternate options. Perhaps the second most viable set that Magneton can run is a SubCharge set consisting of Thunderbolt / Charge Beam / Substitute / Hidden Power Ice. However, this set takes too long to set up, and the only Steel-type that this set it can really beat is Ferrothorn. Magneton can use Thunder Wave to a decent effect, as it can slow down faster threats such as Terrakion. However, Magneton is too frail to use this move effectively. Magneton can also use Signal Beam and Hidden Power Ground to hit Celebi and Heatran, respectively, but outside of these specific situations, these moves are not very useful. Finally, Magneton can use its alternate ability, Analytic, to boost its power if it attacks last, but this prevents Magneton from fulfilling its main niche in the OU environment: trapping Steel-types.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Despite Magneton's fantastic Although Magneton's Special Attack stat is fantastic, its terrible movepool and defenses mean that it isn't very difficult to counter. Gastrodon is able to withstand whatever Magneton dishes out at it and threaten it out with Earth Power. The pink blobs, Chansey and Blissey, (remove comma) are able to withstand even the most powerful of Magneton's attacks, heal off the damage with Wish, and wear it down with Seismic Toss. Apart from the rare Signal Beam, Celebi isn't fazed by anything Magneton carries. However, it cannot do much in return if it lacks Earth Power. Specially Defensive defensive Heatran falls into a similar category as Celebi with the exception that it can immediately threaten Magneton with Lava Plume. Ferrothorn must watch out for Hidden Power Fire, but apart from that, it is able to take whatever Magneton throws at it and set up entry hazards. Latios and Latias can take even a super effective Hidden Power Ice and either heavily dent Magneton with a rain-boosted Surf or use Magneton it as setup bait with Calm Mind. Specially defensive Hippowdon can take up to two Hidden Power Ices and OHKO Magneton with Earthquake. Ground-types in general make solid answers to Magneton, as they can block Volt Switch and only fear Hidden Power Ice. Finally, if you lack any defensive answers to Magneton, then revenge killing it with either Breloom or faster Choice Scarf users, such as Terrakion, is always an option.</p>


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