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Discussion in 'BW OU' started by Sayonara, Jun 22, 2012.

  1. Sayonara

    Sayonara don't forget

    Nov 18, 2011

    [B]Level-Up Moves:[/B]
    - Ancientpower
    - Peck
    - Odor Sleuth
    - Mud Sport
    - Powder Snow
    Lv4: Mud Sport
    Lv8: Powder Snow
    Lv13: Mud Slap
    Lv16: Endure
    Lv20: Mud Bomb
    Lv25: Hail
    Lv28: Ice Fang
    Lv32: Take Down
    Lv33: Double Hit
    Lv40: Earthquake
    Lv48: Mist
    Lv56: Blizzard
    Lv65: Scary Face
    [B]TM & HM Attacks[/B]:
    TM05 Roar
    TM06 Toxic
    TM07 Hail
    TM10 Hidden Power
    TM13 Ice Beam
    TM14 Blizzard
    TM15 Hyper Beam
    TM16 Light Screen
    TM17 Protect
    TM18 Rain Dance
    TM21 Frustration
    TM26 Earthquake
    TM27 Return
    TM28 Dig
    TM32 Double Team
    TM33 Reflect
    TM37 Sandstorm
    TM39 Rock Tomb
    TM42 Facade
    TM44 Rest
    TM45 Attract
    TM48 Round
    TM68 Giga Impact
    TM71 Stone Edge
    TM78 Bulldoze
    TM80 Rock Slide
    TM87 Swagger
    TM90 Substitute
    TM94 Rock Smash
    HM04 Strength
    [B]Egg Moves:[/B]
    Take Down
    Body Slam
    Mud Shot
    Icicle Spear
    Mud Shot
    Stealth Rock
    Icicle Crash
    [B]Pre-Evolution Only Moves:[/B]
    Icy Wind
    Fury Attack
    Ice Shard
    [SIZE=2][B][COLOR=Black]Gen III & IV Only Moves[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][B]:[/B]
    [SIZE=2]Secret Power
    Sleep Talk
    Natural Gift
    Fury Cutter
    Icy Wind
    Knock Off
    Earth Power
    Let's take a look at some of Mamoswine's pros.

    • Ability to check Dragons
    Thanks to its STAB Ice Shard, Icicle Spear and Icicle Crash, Mamoswine can effectively revenge-kill several Dragons in BW OU, such as Salamence, Haxorus and Dragonite. Icicle Crash is even a OHKO on Dragonite, even when taking Multiscale into account (this is true for Dragonites running the standard 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe). Ice Shard can take out Dragons wielding a couple of Dragon Dances under their belts.

    • Strong Attack Stat
    Mamoswine's 130 Base Attack Stat is impressive, and it has the moves to effectively make good use of it: Superpower, STAB Earthquake, Icicle Crash, Ice Shard, Stone Edge. Mamoswine has a higher attack stat than the powerful Terrakion. Mamoswine can act as a hard-hitter, and can

    • Access to Stealth Rock
    While Mamoswine can often act as a physical sweeper, it can also help teams through Stealth Rock support. It can use Stealth Rock while maintaining powerful moves. Since it usually forces switches, it can easily set-up Stealth Rock by coming in on an opponent who cannot rivalize with the mammoth.

    Here are some of Mamoswine's flaws.

    • Bad Defensive Typing
    While Ice is a great offensive typing that grabs good coverage, it is unfortunately awful defensively. Mamoswine can be revenge-killed by common Pokemon, such as Scizor's Bullet Punch, Conkeldurr's Mach Punch and Rotom-W's Hydro Pump. The multitude of fast and powerful Fighting-types in BW OU doesn't help its cause either. Pokemon like Terrakion and Infernape can use Close Combat to annihilate Mamoswine.

    • Under-achieving Speed stat
    Unfortunately for Mamoswine, its 80 base Speed Stat isn't good enough to outspeed a big portion of OU. It will be outsped by numerous Pokemon who can take it out, such as Terrakion and Infernape. It is often revenge-killed due to its "not good enough" speed. However, max speed Jolly Mamoswine does let it outspeed the likes of Adamant Toxicroak and Lucario and then KO them with Earthquake, who would otherwise threaten a KO with their Fighting-type moves.
  2. ginganinja

    ginganinja Lacks a Soul
    is a Forum Moderatoris a CAP Contributoris a Contributor to Smogonis a Battle Server Moderatoris a Community Contributor Alumnus

    Apr 13, 2009
    Yeah, I think Mamoswine won't change much in the new metagame. The best thing about the move tutors is that it can now run Thick Fat and not lose out on Super Power or Ice Shard. Its got a few more things it can revenge now, such as the new Sacred Beast or w/e formes, and it can revenge the more powerful Moxie Outrage DD Mence but I still think its just going to be a typical anti metagame force, rather like it was in the last metagame.
  3. R_N

    is a Forum Moderator Alumnus

    Feb 21, 2010

    Just confirming female thick fat swinubs
  4. AfroThunderRule

    AfroThunderRule *yawn* ez
    is a Tiering Contributor Alumnus

    May 25, 2009

    So I assume this will be the standard set?

    Mamoswine (F) @ Life Orb Trait: Thick Fat
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Stealth Rock / Stone Edge /Superpower
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Shard
    - Icicle Spear
  5. bluemon


    Oct 21, 2010
    Icicle Crash should be slashed with icicle spear, and superpower > stone edge i think
  6. Sayonara

    Sayonara don't forget

    Nov 18, 2011
    Yeah, Superpower is a more useful move, as it lets Mamoswine get past Ferrothorn, a Pokemon who Mamoswine would have trouble with otherwise. Also, Icicle Crash is now legal with Superpower on the same set, so it should be placed instead of Icicle Spear, in my opinion.
  7. SlimMan


    Aug 28, 2010
    R_N, is this real?

    Sand Rush Sandslash. Shit just got REAL.

    edit: Too bad Moody is banned, Glalie woulda been great. Yeah, I know Moody was broken as hell, I was there. But still.....
  8. doughboy

    doughboy backhand slap ready
    is a Tiering Contributoris a Community Contributor Alumnus

    Sep 4, 2011
    I think Mamoswine is going to be far more of a force in this metagame now than in D/P and normal B/W. Being a physical attacker that can get past Amoongoss is great, but that Ice Shard that hits all the new Kami's and upgraded Dragons is even better.
  9. TyranitarAbuser


    May 18, 2012
    Mamoswine will be great when bw2 come out, being able to hit the new forms of tornadus, Landorus and thundurus for stab priority Ice Shard. Resisting BoltBeam will also be handy since thundurus might make a re-appearance in OU (it can perform pseudo BoltBeam using HP ice). One flaw is that it is weak to fighting and the new kyurem forms resist ice moves. Great check to salamence as well since it might rise in power due to the move tutors.
  10. Elephant


    Jun 22, 2012
    mamo's role will most likely be the same as a revenge killer 2 those scary dragon sweepers, and also a hard hitter.
  11. bubbly


    Dec 4, 2009
    Actually I think it depends a lot on whether one of the Kyurem formes (e.g. Black) gets a trial in OU. If it does, that's one extremely popular Dragon which outspeeds Mamoswine and isn't weak to Ice Shard. The new legendary beast forms might see a fair bit of use with those scary attack stats though (well, Thundurus and Landorus anyway).
  12. PK Gaming

    PK Gaming I'm all fired up
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    Aug 18, 2009
    Oh god, a fully released Thick Fat Mamoswine. Sweeeet.
  13. alphatron

    alphatron Volt turn in every tier! I'm in despair!

    Oct 5, 2010
    Adamant LO earthquake is a solid 2hko with one layer of hazards down so superpower definitely isn't needed for ferrothorn of all things. Maybe for the likes of balloon heatran and friends.
  14. Griff


    Jul 6, 2011
    Still really scary. Start carrying a skarm if you have problems. Ice Shard is amazing priority as always
  15. alphatron

    alphatron Volt turn in every tier! I'm in despair!

    Oct 5, 2010
    Skarm is 3hko'd by LO Icicle Crash. This isn't a huge problem but you should keep this in mind whenever Icicle Crash flinches you.
  16. Vivmeister10


    Oct 20, 2010
    Is Swinub only released for B/W2 in DW like Drilbur is? There's no mention of it anywhere in B/W, that's why I ask.
  17. Twins


    Oct 24, 2010
    Ice-type STAB is amazing in the current metagame, and Mamoswine's secondary Ground-typing and Thick Fat almost makes up for it being a horrible defensive typing.

    Mamowine easily checks just about every new threat out there in BW2, including all the Kamis, Gliscor, not to mention the dragons everywhere. A solid pokemon indeed.
  18. darksoulSP


    Jun 30, 2008
    Now that he has his entire movepool with Thick Fat, Mamo is going to see a LOT more use!
  19. Thorhammer


    Jun 18, 2008
    I think the addition of three more Flying-types weak to Mamoswine's attacks also contributes.
  20. Ithilanor


    Jun 9, 2010
    Yeah, as nice as Thick Fat is, the metagame changing is what's really made Mamoswine better. He's very much an anti-meta mon.
  21. superbadd


    Jun 26, 2012
    I'm predicting mamo to be top 10 or top 20, it's the ultimate antimeta pokemon. Being able to revenge the new beast forms and having access to a very useable ability and an excellent move pool helps it very much in being successful. Mamo being on of the few pokes that can revenge moxiemence and the beast forms allows it to find a good spot on sand teams. If only mamo revived a hail/sand equivalent to swift swim....
  22. deluge


    Sep 19, 2009
    He also revenges the Techniloom, being able to attack with Ice Shard before Breloom can Mach Punch because of Mamoswine's higher speed. His DW ability is a nice perk, but like Amoonguss, the newly introduced threats will contribute a lot to his increased usage.
  23. Groombridge


    Dec 19, 2007
    So truthy. Mamo makes a great addition to so many teams. I've been using a Sub set, and it fills lots of gaps:

    Mamoswine @ Leftovers
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Ice Shard
    - Icicle Spear
    - Substitute
    - Earthquake

    It can come in on Breloom or Gliscor as they sub, and KO them through it with a bit of luck. Against Breloom's Focus Punch, two hits is all you need to block its attack anyway.

    It forces lots of switches, and that's where Sub comes in: it can deal with so much more once it has a Sub up. Terrakion, full health Latios/Hydreigon - not to mention Scizor. EQ is an easy 2HKO on Scizor, so Sub as it comes in and and clobber it. If it comes in on Mamo again, it's gone.

    As for weather teams, with a Sub it beats Ninetales and TTar, and can sometimes 2HKO Politoed as well. Less effective against opposing Abomasnow, but at least it can't use Leech Seed. Sand teams, with Gliscor, Landorus and TTar, live in fear of this thing: once Skarm is gone, it's basically a Mamosweep.

    Generally, it just revenges Outraging dragons, and it can KO Multiscale Dragonite reliably. It generally does 70-80% to Volcarona with EQ from what I've seen.

    I find that both Ice attacks are necessary, and EQ of course. This means it gets walled solid by Skarm and Bronzong (no surprise), and can't really do anything to Rotom-W.

    That said, it actually makes a good switch into R-W if you're sure it's gonna use an Electric attack. Mamo absorbs the TBolt/Volt Switch, then you Sub. Choiced Rotom, which is most of them these days, will be forced out - and then you're facing something else, from behind a Sub. Other kinds very rarely run full speed, so you'll get to Sub before Hydro Pump and you now know what can outspeed it. If it tries Pain Split or WoW, then you get to chip at it with Icicle Spear for free.
  24. San_Pellegrino

    San_Pellegrino the eternal dreamer
    is a Team Rater Alumnus

    Sep 22, 2008
    i use the same thing groombridge uses except with an adamant nature and life orb.

    mamo sweeps so many teams by the endgame with proper team building, i think that this mon is going to be a staple (it always had the potential).
  25. PK Gaming

    PK Gaming I'm all fired up
    is a Site Staff Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Community Contributor Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnusis a Past SPL Champion

    Aug 18, 2009
    This to a T. Mamoswine is clutch in the current metagame since it checks a ton of the new threats (Tornadus-T / Thundurus-T / Landorus) and a bunch of annoying old ones (DRAGONS, Gliscor, etc) and it hits like a monster truck. It's also one of the better offensive SR users since it can actually fit SR into its moveset. (?_? SR Terrakion) Outside of using Rotom-W and Skarmory, Mamoswine is difficult to straight up to counter.

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