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Manaphy

Discussion in 'Dream World' started by NatGeo, Jan 23, 2012.

  1. NatGeo

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    I have no clue how this missed getting banned, but its back and its ready to give hell to anything that can't take it.

    Manaphy @ Life Orb / Leftovers
    Hydration / Timid
    4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    -Tail Glow
    -Surf
    -Ice Beam
    -Rest / Hidden Power [Electric]

    Standard Tail Glow set with insta-heal thanks to HydraRest. Tail Glow boosts you to +3 instantly, which is incredible, while with Surf you're gonna be doing some damage. Ice Beam takes care of Electric-types and Grass-types on the switchin. With rain up you can 2HKO anything not named Jellicent (HP Electric up in this). Surf + BoltBeam + Tail Glow does DAMAGE.


    Alternatively,

    Manaphy @ Leftovers
    Hydration / Timid
    252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
    -Calm Mind
    -Scald
    -Ice Beam
    -Rest

    A bulkier approach which lets you boost your defenses for a bulkier attacker. At +1 SpD not much is OHKOing Manaphy with a Special Attack besides maybe Virizion, while Scald messes with physical attackers thanks to the chance of the burn. You could probably get away with Surf though. Probably better on stall teams, appreciating Toxic Spikes support if any hazards.

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  2. AOPSUser

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    Damn it doesn't get Thunder. That sucks...

    The Tail Glow set can get revenge killed a lot. (At least in Ubers.) Not quite so sure about DW OU, but setup sweeper hates Ditto. As for stuff that can actually revenge it...hmm...
  3. UltiMario

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    TBH this is the thing I'm most scared of in this metagame.

    Can't be statused. Has a 100% HP Recovery move. If you give it 2 turns of set up on practically any set the game is over.

    I remember playing this shit way back. Manaphy is scary as shit.
  4. MegaKick

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    one of the main reason i always have 2-3 pokemon with sunny day randomly thrown in.
    Also manaphy has to be really careful about using rest cause if t-tar/hippo/aboma/ninetails comes in on the rest manaphy is forced to switch out or be a sitting duck for two turns.
  5. idiotfrommars

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    You can also do a bulky set with Tail Glow. So 252 HP/ 252 Spe.

    We tested Manaphy in the Clear Skies tier on PO and it was proved broken there without any rain support, so I don't see this bad boy lasting long in DW OU. The Calm Mind set is absolutely deadly since after one boost it is near impossible to OHKO.

    Tricking Manaphy a choice item can work and you can always just Smash it before it has a chance to set up. Unfortunately though stuff like Specs Latios Draco Meteor won't OHKO Manaphy after a single CM boost, so it can just rest off the damage.
  6. V0x

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    Tail Glow with Wacan or the Grass resist berry is priceless. You just sit there and KO and they lose their answer to Manaphy. I'll even say that LO / Lefties are hardly needed for anything since omg just so strong.
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    I finally decided to try out Dream World OU last night and played 10 matches; I won the first 8, then lost 2 and decided to call it quits before tilt set in. The core of my team is Specs Politoed and Tail Glow Manaphy, and it just wrecks shit. Surf and Ice Beam offer pretty much everything I need after 2 Tail Glows and a Life Orb. Rest heals off the residual damage by Life Orb. I faced a Blissey last night who took 94% from Surf, while Ice Beam 2HKOed Ferrothorn (I know I should have used Surf but that's just a testament to how fantastic Ferrothorn's Special Defense is).

    Rindo Berry would be great for Chandelure's Energy Ball, but my opponent's Scarf Chandy only did 71% with Energy Ball.
  8. ala

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    I think you should edit this into the OP Natgeo, as it is possibly the best Tail Glow set and it has been the most effective for me.

    Manaphy @ Leftovers
    Trait: Hydration
    EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Tail Glow
    - Surf
    - Energy Ball
    - Rest

    Life Orb on Manaphy is overkill imo, when you are at +6 the extra power means nothing. I don't even use Special attack evs and it still gets the job done. Ice Beam is kinda useless on Manaphy imo, since unless you use Special defense evs you aren't surviving Latios' Draco Meteors/Thunders and +6 Surf does enough to most Water Resists anyhow. Without Energy Ball you risk getting stalled out by stupid crap like Suicune and Jellicent. The defense evs allow you to set up on Ferrothorn (Power Whip is a 3HKO) and 2HKO back with Surf. It also allows you to survive +2 Garchomp Outrages, +2 Dory Earthquakes and basically any non electric/grass physical moves, making it a great check to those threats just in case. 240 Speed also allows you to outspeed and ohko Breloom with a +3 Surf, since nobody uses Jolly (and that would be a crime!).

    Honestly there's so many uses for Defensive Manaphy, he doesn't even miss out on any important KOs that offensive Manaphy gets save for maybe Latias but just use Jirachi or something to take care of her. Oh and watch out for Parasect, that thing actually beat me back in the Skymin era of BW.
  9. AOPSUser

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    Energy Ball is kinda risky since Ditto is everywhere in DW OU. The first set is OK because you resist Surf and can easily stall out 5 turns with Rest and make Ditto switch.
  10. ala

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    Honestly I haven't seen many Ditto in the tier, but if I do I wouldn't stay in. My current team has a couple good grass resists and with Manaphy's ease of setting up it's not a huge issue to switch out and set up again. Ditto also has shit hp, pretty sure my energy ball KOs at +3 while his fails to.
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    Been playing around with Manaphy, and I have to say, this thing needs to be banned. Stall teams cannot do shit to Manaphy and Manaphy can just OHKO each member of the team with two turns of setup. Easily one of the most broken Pokemon in DW OU, with only things like Shadow Tag Chandelure giving any competition.
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    As previously mentioned, this thing is so freaking broken. After one Tail Glow, you basically 2HKO half the tier. After two, you OHKO almost the entire tier. Need I say more? Manaphy is also bulky enough to take assaults from some Choice Scarf users and can definitely take any priority. I feel that the only true counter to this is Thundurus, but even then, he cannot switch into any attack, let alone set up Nasty Plot.
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    Just editting this slightly:

    Manaphy can create 101 HP Subs, and in the case where you can't get up the rain, Substitute is fine enough to avoid status. It also lets you potentially avoid a revenge kill because you're under a Sub too.

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