Also I remember Josh suspecting Asek eod4 but I'm too lazy to go find it
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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins
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I maintain that lynching Leet d2 and having him flip town would've been pretty bad so I went for risk mitigation in seeking info there
d3 I found Leet excuses because I was paranoid that he was a red herring
I did not at any point defend him as hard as Asek did though
d3 I found Leet excuses because I was paranoid that he was a red herring
I did not at any point defend him as hard as Asek did though
This kind of reads like trying to avoid the Asek flip incriminating you btw
d2 Hitmonleet is at 5 with King at 3 votes, then Asek votes King and Texas agrees to sheep Josh on King, flipping his vote and making it 4v5. King votes Leet, then Asek asks Empoof to vote King and he does. This may all be a coincidence but this does look like someone going out of their way to save their teammate. Make a case against Id or lynch here.
I made a case already, it's in my big post. His attitude in the last day and opinions by hawkie and rssp1 on his playstyle at the very least make me even more convinced. How about you answer answer the Texas question, unless I missed it because I forgot what he asked you dodged it that long
Do you believe that Id makes the first vote on Leet d2 and never unvotes
Or that he makes this post as scumbuddy
Or that he makes this post as scumbuddy
If so, why and who would his last teammate be
If ID is scum and the mafia had a nice chat N1 the bus of leet actually is their best strategy with ID subbing into a scummy slot and Leet pmuch guaranteed to be lynched over the coming days. It's something i really see asek planning especially as he was defending him. He wouldn't want to put all his eggs in one basket so having the scummy sub bus Leet does a good job of distancing them
Ok let's lynch Asek then if you think he's scum
Coasting a vote all day is a behavior mafia stand to fall into. Also the post you quoted includes an easy excuse to jump off Hitmon if his lynch had fallen out of favour due to his play improving in the "I'm waiting for his on Hawkie post". Also yeah I'm a very inclined to bus a guy if I find anything scummy about them, simply because of my playstyle, so I can't ignore someone potentially early bussing hitmon to look good. Also you suspect my blazade persona despite early hitmon pushing as well, so either your line of questioning here is bull or you are playing some long con.
Also why do I have to repeat myself, I already p much said it in my would lynch pile. My current suspicions suggest an ID+Knights/Moody team and is why I prefer the ID llynch.
Also about Texas Yeti. He falls closer to my Asek umbrella where I'd not lynch them today if only because I'd rather confirm my suspicions than hope I was wrong and lynch outside of that. But to entertain the thought, if Texas was scum, he was heavily pocketing Josh, and I'd consider his partner to have taken an antagonistic role towards the two. At least that's what I'd have done. So I guess you yourself would be a decent Texas partner, but that the only on of the top of my head, there were a few more I recall who jumped on Josh during Yeti vs Josh.
Also why do I have to repeat myself, I already p much said it in my would lynch pile. My current suspicions suggest an ID+Knights/Moody team and is why I prefer the ID llynch.
Also about Texas Yeti. He falls closer to my Asek umbrella where I'd not lynch them today if only because I'd rather confirm my suspicions than hope I was wrong and lynch outside of that. But to entertain the thought, if Texas was scum, he was heavily pocketing Josh, and I'd consider his partner to have taken an antagonistic role towards the two. At least that's what I'd have done. So I guess you yourself would be a decent Texas partner, but that the only on of the top of my head, there were a few more I recall who jumped on Josh during Yeti vs Josh.
Was I antagonistic to Josh and Texas
Isnt that kind of antagonistic
Doesn't this look like a full blown framing attempt
And this a setup for an Id town flip
i dont get the sense asek and texas are teammates so if asek flips scum im gonna give texas some hard townreading until he dies n6 after empoof n5
but yeah i do think that asek post looks like a frame
i thought it was odd at the time he neglected to mention blazade as a voice around hitmonleet.
does anyone care to ISO leet and see how much he interacts with blazade?
but yeah i do think that asek post looks like a frame
i thought it was odd at the time he neglected to mention blazade as a voice around hitmonleet.
does anyone care to ISO leet and see how much he interacts with blazade?
I don't know if you are implying you think I meant you being antagonistic towards josh(also that was in the case of a hypothetical Texas scum and addressed at Yeti.)
Well arguably Asek does work with that hypothetical. And yeah in a vacuum those look eyebrow raising. But the reason Asek ended up the way he did is I still coinsider his altreaction wwith jalmont a strong enough evidence to cancel out the suspicions at this point in time. Though as my big post indicated, I only said I wouldn't lynch him that day( and by extension today because last lynch took one of my lesserest suspects, rather than clear up any of my theories). I obviously have qualms about him visible in my post, with a specific focus on somehow defending hitmon's so called defense of Being seen online at eod1, along with fluctuating quality. I stick by my ranking of ID first.
Well arguably Asek does work with that hypothetical. And yeah in a vacuum those look eyebrow raising. But the reason Asek ended up the way he did is I still coinsider his altreaction wwith jalmont a strong enough evidence to cancel out the suspicions at this point in time. Though as my big post indicated, I only said I wouldn't lynch him that day( and by extension today because last lynch took one of my lesserest suspects, rather than clear up any of my theories). I obviously have qualms about him visible in my post, with a specific focus on somehow defending hitmon's so called defense of Being seen online at eod1, along with fluctuating quality. I stick by my ranking of ID first.
ok i searched hitmonleet's posts where he said 'blazade' (and 0 for just 'zade')
there are 3 lel
#313 (the reads post)
Josh - He's still posting really short posts and one-liners, which just feels kind of odd to me, what with how I'm used to seeing him play. Scumlean.
Jalmont & Aubisio - Who? Where did these guys go? Do they even have the minimum 5 posts? (Ignore the fact that I haven't made 5 posts yet)
Hawkie - I really don't know with this guy. He's pretty confident and aggressive in his thoughts, which is exactly how I'd expect Josh to be. He might be coached, but that's really unlikely, imo. Null, scumread if Josh is scum.
Blazade - I don't know his meta either, which makes me a bit confused as to what to read him. His posts are a bit aggressive and demeaning, which, unlike Hawkie, rub me the wrong way. He does bring up valid points tho. Gut Scum.
Texas - He's pointing things out, and although his rationale does have me a bit bemused atm, I'm feeling a bit confident in him being Town.
ok so jalmont gets the cop-out read, total wash. unfortunately 4 of the other people here are still alive so we only have wash!teammate and scumlean!townjosh to go off conclusively.
obviously all of hawkie/blazade/texas can't all be his teammates and i think only 1 of these 3 is (i dont believe both partners are in this pile)
texas is the outlier here in that hitmonleet gives him a "bit confident" townread, everyone else in this post is mostly weak leans or nulls.
hawkie is a null, scum based on josh flip, blazade is gut scum, jalmont (and aubisio) are washes.
#1641 is a leet quote of my post in which blazade's name is mentioned
Why is being "off wagon" scummy? I thought there was a better lynch in Josh atm, so I was lynching him.
#1642 this post is like 600 before the asek post moody quoted
Personally though, there is someone I dislike more, now that I think about it.
Unvote Vote Texas Cloverleaf. (bold removed he votes texas here)
Stop stuffing your posts and start providing helpful thoughts.
#1969
Rest of the people, scaling list, town to Scum (all null atm):
Yeti
Hawkie
Fort
Blazade
here leet responds to asek asking him for the "rest of his reads list" which is gonna be hard to find considering these 4 people were missing from it zz
in comparison, posts by hitmonleet containing "texas" have 13 results
#1952
From my PoV:
Moody is Town
Knights is Town
Asek is Town
Empoof is Town
Texas is Scum
IronicDouble is Scum
Josh is Scum
this was hitmonleet's EoD as he was being lynched tho, so 1969 and 1952 shouldn't be considered very much in retrospect grr
there are 3 lel
#313 (the reads post)
Josh - He's still posting really short posts and one-liners, which just feels kind of odd to me, what with how I'm used to seeing him play. Scumlean.
Jalmont & Aubisio - Who? Where did these guys go? Do they even have the minimum 5 posts? (Ignore the fact that I haven't made 5 posts yet)
Hawkie - I really don't know with this guy. He's pretty confident and aggressive in his thoughts, which is exactly how I'd expect Josh to be. He might be coached, but that's really unlikely, imo. Null, scumread if Josh is scum.
Blazade - I don't know his meta either, which makes me a bit confused as to what to read him. His posts are a bit aggressive and demeaning, which, unlike Hawkie, rub me the wrong way. He does bring up valid points tho. Gut Scum.
Texas - He's pointing things out, and although his rationale does have me a bit bemused atm, I'm feeling a bit confident in him being Town.
ok so jalmont gets the cop-out read, total wash. unfortunately 4 of the other people here are still alive so we only have wash!teammate and scumlean!townjosh to go off conclusively.
obviously all of hawkie/blazade/texas can't all be his teammates and i think only 1 of these 3 is (i dont believe both partners are in this pile)
texas is the outlier here in that hitmonleet gives him a "bit confident" townread, everyone else in this post is mostly weak leans or nulls.
hawkie is a null, scum based on josh flip, blazade is gut scum, jalmont (and aubisio) are washes.
#1641 is a leet quote of my post in which blazade's name is mentioned
Why is being "off wagon" scummy? I thought there was a better lynch in Josh atm, so I was lynching him.
#1642 this post is like 600 before the asek post moody quoted
Personally though, there is someone I dislike more, now that I think about it.
Unvote Vote Texas Cloverleaf. (bold removed he votes texas here)
Stop stuffing your posts and start providing helpful thoughts.
#1969
Rest of the people, scaling list, town to Scum (all null atm):
Yeti
Hawkie
Fort
Blazade
here leet responds to asek asking him for the "rest of his reads list" which is gonna be hard to find considering these 4 people were missing from it zz
in comparison, posts by hitmonleet containing "texas" have 13 results
#1952
From my PoV:
Moody is Town
Knights is Town
Asek is Town
Empoof is Town
Texas is Scum
IronicDouble is Scum
Josh is Scum
this was hitmonleet's EoD as he was being lynched tho, so 1969 and 1952 shouldn't be considered very much in retrospect grr
in conclusion i think asek cherry picked TF out of leet's interactions for that post.
blazade has 3 posts by leet that contain his name and one is EoD shenanigans, another is a quote by me that has nothing to do with blazade on leet's part
idk if he used some other name to refer to blazade but he has legit 0 times he's said the name; if leet speaks to him in-thread sans name thats a lot harder to track down
texas has 13 posts tho some are just quotes (of other ppl saying texas)
AND leet voted texas which asek conveniently doesnt bring up, at all.
additionally, leet's initial read on texas was one of his firmer towns but asek says leet scumread him in lists (leet does progress to scumreading texas but did not start that way as you'd think if you solely read the asek post).
asek def underplays the actual leet-texas connections notably the vote and how leet truly read texas early + totally ignores mentioning blazade, another d1 leet pusher, alongside the others. i think this is because blazade had even fewer connections to leet than texas but it doesn't serve a frame job to mention this.
btw at the point asek made that post, blazade had ended D2 voting leet, was voting leet on d3, and had voted leet d1.
theres just no way you can say 'hawkie the leet pusher' and leave out his voteclone blazade except it truly does not serve your narrative to frame texas.
blazade has 3 posts by leet that contain his name and one is EoD shenanigans, another is a quote by me that has nothing to do with blazade on leet's part
idk if he used some other name to refer to blazade but he has legit 0 times he's said the name; if leet speaks to him in-thread sans name thats a lot harder to track down
texas has 13 posts tho some are just quotes (of other ppl saying texas)
AND leet voted texas which asek conveniently doesnt bring up, at all.
additionally, leet's initial read on texas was one of his firmer towns but asek says leet scumread him in lists (leet does progress to scumreading texas but did not start that way as you'd think if you solely read the asek post).
asek def underplays the actual leet-texas connections notably the vote and how leet truly read texas early + totally ignores mentioning blazade, another d1 leet pusher, alongside the others. i think this is because blazade had even fewer connections to leet than texas but it doesn't serve a frame job to mention this.
btw at the point asek made that post, blazade had ended D2 voting leet, was voting leet on d3, and had voted leet d1.
theres just no way you can say 'hawkie the leet pusher' and leave out his voteclone blazade except it truly does not serve your narrative to frame texas.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/matrix-12-noc-day-5.3602966/page-31#post-7348837
this post is long and has other quotes but it's leet on asek so go read it
this post is long and has other quotes but it's leet on asek so go read it
#1554
I don't have a gamesolve. I don't have confidence in my reads, so I've been abstaining from lynching a lot lately.
I suppose, if I HAD to try and gamesolve atm, I'd be saying Josh/Yeti + Texas + Papercake, I suppose. I'm not sure of any of these rn (except Yeti/Josh), so it's more my general leanings rn.
in response to moody
this seems to be the first? shift from town texas to scum texas.
he has 3 town in this solve conf (to me) and texas is the only other one
I don't have a gamesolve. I don't have confidence in my reads, so I've been abstaining from lynching a lot lately.
I suppose, if I HAD to try and gamesolve atm, I'd be saying Josh/Yeti + Texas + Papercake, I suppose. I'm not sure of any of these rn (except Yeti/Josh), so it's more my general leanings rn.
in response to moody
this seems to be the first? shift from town texas to scum texas.
he has 3 town in this solve conf (to me) and texas is the only other one
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/matrix-12-noc-day-5.3602966/page-65#post-7354126
asek responds that leets above post is good and asks for reasons
leet provides
:thinking:
asek responds that leets above post is good and asks for reasons
leet provides
:thinking:
yea idk the drastic mischaracterization of leet re: texas and absence of leet re: blazade in that asek post has me mad sus
curious why asek didnt push texas harder off that?
i guess asek felt like texas would be the next kill after josh and empoof rather than a mislynch attempt cause i dont feel like texas as a wagon has gained much traction. ooooor hope he gets lylo paranoia'd for town L
curious why asek didnt push texas harder off that?
i guess asek felt like texas would be the next kill after josh and empoof rather than a mislynch attempt cause i dont feel like texas as a wagon has gained much traction. ooooor hope he gets lylo paranoia'd for town L
honestly if you're asek and you send me and texas to lylo at that point in the game, i think you have fair odds of getting one of us to mislynch the other
texas has been pretty clear he doesnt want a combo of me/him/lw to get to lylo so i actually think mafia would keep him and me alive and hope to get the spicy mislynch
+ there are enough villagers in this case in the mislynch pool you are likely TO get there
kill josh empoof hawkie moody probs
mislynch pancake ID fort/moody/lw
knights fits in here somewhere too idk if as the partner or a mislynch, i dont think hes a nightkill
and you get to texas/asek/yeti lylo and now you have Big Drama and asek pulls that post back up and says look texas is mafiaaa
sorry im rambling this isnt really relevant in theory im goin 2 bed
texas has been pretty clear he doesnt want a combo of me/him/lw to get to lylo so i actually think mafia would keep him and me alive and hope to get the spicy mislynch
+ there are enough villagers in this case in the mislynch pool you are likely TO get there
kill josh empoof hawkie moody probs
mislynch pancake ID fort/moody/lw
knights fits in here somewhere too idk if as the partner or a mislynch, i dont think hes a nightkill
and you get to texas/asek/yeti lylo and now you have Big Drama and asek pulls that post back up and says look texas is mafiaaa
sorry im rambling this isnt really relevant in theory im goin 2 bed
Actually it was Josh not Yeti who said that the Id wagon had
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